deep kissing with blood

Hello,
Sorry if this is double posted.  I didn't realize the other forum was not for doctors.  I was recently involved with deep kissing a girl. She ended up biting my lip which caused bleeding.  Is there any HIV risk? I was not sober and am not sure if she was also bleeding or not.
Thank you.

[me7654]

sorry double post.. wrong forum

[richie90]

The CDC says not to engage in deep kissing because the chance of blood. Currently I believe that it is only a theoretical risk so pretty much no risk.
Even with blood you probably had no chance. Think about it this way, there are about 6.8?  billion people on the planet. Let's assume that 5-10% engage in open mouth kissing per day so you end up with 340-680 million kisses. About 35 million people have HIV (maybe one of every 238 and multiply by two because of two genders so 576)so they make up around .42 of the population. Now let's multiply the kisses per day by HIV infected population. You end up with about 1.5-3 million kisses per day and about 547,400,000 - 1,090,000,000 per year. Of course some of those kisses are going to exchange blood, if it were so easy to get by kissing a much larger population would have it. The risk is pretty much nil.

Even if we were to make the assumption that 1% had blood and 1 in 10,000 kisses with blood resulted in HIV(very conservative like oral statistics). We would have about 500-1000 cases of HIV from kisses per year. The reality is that it does not happen.


Also if you are from the USA or another developed country or just one with a lower amount of HIV then you are at a lower risk even though the risk is pretty much zero.

Please note that some of my numbers were either estimated or rounded.

It is a bit late for me to be typing this up so if someone feels the need to correct something, go ahead.

[Teak]

Where did that information come from? Kissing is not a risk of HIV transmission period.

[richie90]

Oh no, I know that it is not considered a risk. I was just referring to a case from the CDC(bleeding gums) but I believe you said it was not confirmed in another thread.

As for the rest, it was hypothetical.

[LIZZIE LOU]

by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Feb 09, 2010 05:51PM
Of course no risk. HIV is not transmitted by kissing, even with sores in the mouth.

Despite the billions of kissing events in the AIDS era, not one case of HIV has been known to be transmitted that way, even though millions of those kisses undoubtedly were with cuts in the mouth or on the lips.

There is no need for HIV testing, even if your kissing partner was at high risk for HIV (e.g., gay man, injection drug user), and even if s/he is known to have HIV.  Of course you can always get tested if you are unconvinced by this reassurance (and Teak's) and remain nervous about it.

HHH, MD

by Edward W Hook, MD, Feb 12, 2010 08:57PM
There is no risk to you of getting HIV or other STDs from kissing, even deep kissing an even if your mouth was dry an you had cold sores.

You do not need to be concerned and do not need testing of any sort.  EWH

by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Sep 12, 2006 12:00AM
Kissing carries no significant risk of HIV or other STDs, with or without blood exposure, and I am unaware of any reports of transmission through mouth area bites.  I suppose the risk in theory is a little higher than kissing without biting, but even doubling a virtually zero risk still leaves virtually zero risk.  In any case, the statistical likelihood is low that the stripper is HIV infected.  I don't recommend testing.

Good luck--  HHH, MD

by Edward W Hook, MD, Mar 06, 2009 08:49AM
Your OCD is speaking to you far louder than the facts.  You do not need testing.  Kissing is no risk, even deep kissing and even with gum or dental disease.   No one has EVER been infected with HIV through kissing.   This includes kissing by all of the people who had HIV and gum disease, mouth sores, etc.

Finally, you do not even know that your partner was HIV infected.  Odds are that she was not.

EWH

[IamWorried1]

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