why no doc can giv you conslosive result

hi all

my question is why no body can giv you conslosive result before 6 month also i am never see doctore one time say 100% tha last number giv is 99.9%

why ???

[evenflow1121]

conclusive is 3 months according to the CDC

6 months if you have a weak immune system, are a drug user, or recently had an organ transplant.

[evenflow1121]

IV Drug User that is

[ECN44120]

Its becouse of 1000 hiv infected people is very very probable that 1 has and autoimune disease, was on chemo, has lupus, IV drug user ect.ect.ect. and is also very very probable that 1 people lied saying his las risk exposure was more than 3 months ago but ir really wasnt, so the statics used to get the accurancy where changed by that 1 person with the diseases said before or lying. an the real static for the 3 months is 99,5%

[cadcam]

OK, where you came from such talk Do you have a reliable source possible that I return him?

And what about if i have a high risk? Are 6 months or not

[worried826]

High risk or not a 3 month is conclusive.

[ECN44120]

Just read the statics of people that are on chemo, that have lupus, that are IV drugs users, ect. if you add the prevalence of cancer+prevalence of lupus+prevalence of IV drug users+prevalence of other imune diseases, ect. on the sex active population then you will found that the prevalence is around 8% so if you take that and multiple by the hiv infected population found per year in the last years in the US 45.000 you will found that from the hiv infected people the amount with some of the mentioned disease while infection would be around 3600, and in the US the hiv testing population in the last year where 15 millions, so from those 15 million 3600 had and autoimune disease, was on chemo, has lupus, IV drug user ect.ect.ect. an the rate 3600/15000000 is 0,024%, Finally if you take from 100% the 0,024% you will have 99,97% -99,95% of accurancy at 3 months.

I hope this finally clarify the issue.

And my sources are teh CDC, the http://www.statehealthfacts.org/ , who, UNIADS, PAHO, thebody.com, ect,ect

[worried826]

Nice math man!!!!

[ECN44120]

Just to answer your second question if you where at the higher sexual risk of all according cdc (Receptive anal intercourse) with a positive partner, then your risk would be 1 / 200 for one time exposure, that plus a 99,95% negative conclusive test at 3 months your overall risk would be 0,00025% or 1 in 400.000 that is zero for practical porpouses, but if you had receptive anal intercourse 200 times with and infected partner, a 3 month negative test would even leave you having 1 in 200 so then you would surely need to test at 6 months to get the 100% assurance. but never for one or a few exposures.

[ECN44120]

Thanks worried

[cadcam]

HI MAN I AM NOT GOOD IN MATH SAME YOU :)

SO I HAVE ANAL SEX ONE TIME WITH MAN WORKE IN HOSPITAL I AM ON THE TOP

I NEED TEST AFTER 6 MONTH OR MY NEAGITVE RUSULT NOW AFTER 4 MONTH 20 DAYES WITH 4TH GENARATION P24 AB AG IS CONSLOSIVE

[cadcam]

I HAVKE WRONG THE TEST WAS 3 G HIV1+2 AFTER 4 MONTH 2O DAYES I AM ON THE TOP WITOUT CANDOME

[dw85]

Someone is as hypo paranoid as me

[Teak]

3 months is conclusive. MOVE ON.

[cadcam]

i know you reed all this subject thats why you giv answer so what i understand what ever the risk is 3 month is conclusive

thanks

[Teak]

3 months is conclusive. CORRECT...

[cadcam]

teak Thank you for the speed answer you as a big brother to all people write in this forum

  ECN44120

  worried826
  
  You are doing a wonderful job here
  I hope to continue to answer people's unstable subject of hiv
All thanks and appreciation

[ECN44120]

You are absolutly conclusively negative, move on,

[cadcam]

Suffering from diarrhea than five hours Is it possible that the delayed symptoms for a period of 146 days and to the loss of appetite than two days

[ECN44120]

NO is not possible, if you cannot accept the wonderfull news that you remain hiv negative, then you`ll need to seek for a therapist to help you confront your fears and make you move on, YOU ARE HIV NEGATIVE, move on

[evenflow1121]

See a doctor about your diarreah (diarrhea) no one here can diagnose you over the web, you dont have HIV you had a negative that was conclusive.  

go to the CDC website and learn about the test

[evenflow1121]

Because your immune system is weak and it may take longer for it to develop the antibodies.  IV users may be exposed to HIV multiple occassions, as opposed to the average guy who visits the hooker once, loses his mind ,and has unprotected sex for example, has a one night stand, takes a guy or gal of unknown status home, ect. The more times you engage in risk behavior and the more times you are exposed to the virus the higher the risk and probability that you will be positive.  A one time exposure though still risky carries a lot less risk than multiple exposures.

[ECN44120]

Probably if you have an autoimune disease or use IV drugs(that lower you defences and antibodie production) it can take a little longer but never longer than 6 months, without that circunstances a 3 month test is conclusive.

[ECN44120]

I really dont understand well your questions, the problem with autoimune disease is that the person with the disease is not able to produce antibodies like normal people, and since the hiv test does looks for hiv specific antibodies in our blood , if the person is not able to produce them normally then the test wouldnt be able to find them.

I hope it helps, please read this link to understand the testing basics

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=kb-00&doc=kb-02-02-01

[worried826]

If you have an autoimmune disease i would assume that you would need a different type of test to find the virus. Something like a DNA/RNA to detect the virus directly.

[crf250x]

So, let's say someone has CVID, then what does that imply? Would antibodies show 4 - 7 years post exposure? What I'm guessing is, if you were to be infected with HIV and have CVID, wouldn't you be deathly ill since your body can't fight the infection?

We talk about chemo, IV drug users, and such but there's a reason why it's called 'COMMON' Variable Immunedeficiancy.

[ECN44120]

If someone has CVID and got infected with hiv he`ll need a pcr or naat test to know if he got infected.

But he would probably be dead if got infected 7 years ago, and never was on meds, without any imune disorder HIV causes AIDS in 8-10 years, and that is whit the body fighting against hiv, if the body could not fight hiv, AIDS would appear a lot sooner.

[crf250x]

Should I be concerned about CVID? What I'm getting at is, though I've never had an official test nor reason to rule CVID (haven't had a cold in 4 years, no health problems except persistent loose stools thought to be IBS by my physician). Can CVID show signs on a CBC?

[worried826]

Man you guys are just out on limbs trying to find some rare disorders. This thread should be shutdown before it gets really out of hand.

[ECN44120]

If you have CVID then is impossible not to get a cold in 4 years, I answer your therad and I told you the only way to know if you have CVID is going to see and specialist and he can tell you what test are needed, and i dont think it can be diagnosed with a CBC, I also read your question to Dr. Frascino and he already give you an answer

[ECN44120]

I dont understan your last question please be more specific

[Frank303]

The antibody tests simply are not up to detecting antibodies for all people at less than the window period. Though the tests are sensitive enough there is still host variability.

Perhaps in the future other types of tests that check for the virus itself which are simple to run, cost effective, field usable and quick will be developed. Until then we have antibody tests for routine diagnostic use and more importantly HIV prevention.  

[Teak]

Are you being treated or been hospitalized for autoimmune disorder? If your only problems has been hepatitis then 3 month is conclusive. As for Lupus, it can cause a false positive, not a false negative.

[ECN44120]

No your 3 month is conclusive no more tests needed. Congratulations

[evenflow1121]

You are conclusive at 3 months, quit feeding your anxiety.

[evenflow1121]

Sorry, didnt realize it was for Teak, my apologies.

[ECN44120]

You are conclusive negative, no more test needed, but you should give up on the burgers, and the drinking.

Move on forget about hiv

[cfox730]

so only reason to test at 6 months is if u have autoimmune disease or IV drug user. what are the autoimmune disease and how do i know if i have it?

[ECN44120]

Autoimune disease are when someones body doesnt have the normal ability for the production of antibodies to fight bacterias and viruses, I dont know for sure but there should be some kind of test to diagnose it, but it would be clear since those people would have a lot of illnes the most of the time, I not talking about 3 colds a year, I mean serious illness for long times. no more test needed 3 months is conclusive.

[worried826]

Auto immune diseases are when the bodys natural defenses turn on the body itself. Instead of fighting invading organisims it will also fight itself. If you had one of these you would know it and you would be sick all the time.

Now stop worring about them because if you dont know if you have one then you dont have one. You are starting to sound like a real nutcase

[ECN44120]

If you had had a normal life, then the normal test at 3 month is conclusive, if you have lived half of your life in a hospital then you probably have an imune diosorder and you should ask an specialist to know fi your body is producing normally antibodies, if your body isnt producing normally antibodies you will probably have to test again in 6 month or have DNA PCR test.

Thats my last answer about this.

[ECN44120]

No it wont affect your results,

[worried826]

Geeez, knock it off already please. You were in the hospital for a reaction from meds, not a immune problem or anything else that would stop antibody production. No it doesnt affect test results.