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Free ECG lessons

This site has a nice tutorial on ECG.  You can download the file to your computer and read it at leasure.

http://library.med.utah.edu/kw/ecg/index.html
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Shhhh!!!!

See that is what I do not need to hear!  It sounds an awful lot like "information".  I just want support.  Just tell me everything is going to be fine.  That's all I come here for!
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aww.. yeah i know, sometimes i think we all feel that way.. You're right that if you dont know what you're dealing with, its easier to handle mentally, but it could be taking a physical tole on your body... Alot of breast lumps are benign, there are four kinds of breast lumps, only one of them being the C word, so thats encouraging right?...Sometimes the lumps go away after the next visit from aunt flow ;) ... If nothing else, a trip to the doctor to confirm what you have is indeed just a benign thing, maybe that would help take some of that burden off your shoulders!
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You don't know the half of it!

I have so many things going on...my heart, my nerves, and now this lump!  Everyone, even in my family keep telling me I need to see the doctor, but I keep telling the "ignorance is bliss".  I firmly beleive that if I don't knwo about it it cannot hurt me.

As far as I am concerned, the less I know about what is going on in my body the better!!

Liz
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It sounds like you're goin through a rough patch huh? I agree with you, that its no ones place on this board, or any board, to tell you "the reality of your situation" as its impossible for someone thats never met you, nor examined you to possibly understand that..

I think most of the people here have best interests at heart :) a few take it too far, and use it as an excuse to spout of rediculous "theories" or post others works to try and vindicate to themsevles that they are knowledgable, when in reality all they are good at is using the copy and paste feature on their computers...  the best kind of support comes from personal experience and knowledge.. If you need a medical opinion, see a medical doctor, its never good to rely on people who think web trolling qualifies them to give medical advice or diagnose certain medical conditions..

I hope you begin to feel better soon! And of course, i support you :) i know how scary what you're going through must be.. Im sure most who have suggested you see your doctor only have concern for you :)
i hope you find the support you are looking for and through that find a little peace of mind for yourself :) as always, its never a bad idea to speak with your doctor about any concerns you have, hes another person who has your best interests at heart.
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You go girl!

Some people cannot understand that most of us here just want support.  We do not care what the facts say or what the reality of our situation is.  We want to feel good and hear about how everything is going to be alright, you know!  This is just beyond some people.  A good example I have...I have a lump on one breast.  It seems like every website I go to is telling me its this or its that.  I just want SUPPORT.  I want to feel good about it, not be told I have to go to the doctor to get it checked out or I need this or that test.  Is it too much to ask that some people accept that ignorance is bliss??!!??  I firmly believe that if I don't know about something, it can't hurt me.  One of the big problems I think is that this "information" is too easy to find on the internet.  There should be laws banning this kind of "information" from being public knowledge for heaven sakes!

Liz
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arthur.. as you can see by the lack of support you recieve from medhelp and other board members, this board is not meant for a few high and mighties who are under the misinterpretation that web trolling makes them "e-doctors", or above the fact that frankly this board is not a sounding board for your theories and debate on any subject medical. This is in fact, not a place for debate, or research, or anything of the sort, im supported by my opinion and lack of tolerance for such foolishness by the website itself and frankly if you find it unnacceptable im sure you can find another place more suited to your view... i do believe more than one fellow poster has asked that this type of behavior be stopped, i strongly suggest you ask yourself who here is infact eminating the "lack of support" here for other posters...

And once again, you have done nothing but stood on a soap box and mumbled meaningless trite to yourself so you can feel vindicated when someone here was asking for help, which has fallen on the deaf ears of people who might normally have something functional to add, but you're too busy, seemingly trying to make yourselves important... Good luck with that.

Do yourself a favor and move on..
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Sorry, the detritus emanating from one special person on this board has been clearly over the top regarding lack of support for fellow posters which is evidenced by a profound fondness for rude and sarcastic remarks and a misguided, self-proclaimed tirade against information and those who reference it.  The board is not meant for debate, but rather, allowing people to freely express their views, with the objective of sharing experiences and information.  Experience includes information, and to even for a moment consider eliminating the latter, leaves us with nothing but opinions.

It's too bad.  

-Arthur


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88793 tn?1290227177
That morning when I had the "no spike" ECG, I feel fine.  My heart was very quiet and not naughty at all!

The rest of the ECG that I had, all had spikes and some were very tall, some were up side down.  I think the pacemaker pacing is making me very unwell!   Few times, I begged him to turn it down but he thinks all are in the lower limits.  I want to try because someone on the other site said once his Dr turn it down.  He's feeling much more better and no more fib and don't have to take medicine anymore.  I wish my dr can fix up mine one like him!   By helping, I did the ECG to compare and holter monitor to tell him my 24 hours life.  He told me my pacemaker has a built in holter monitor, do not need that.  But..... he didn't know how unwell I'm!  ?He thought I'm a bionic woman!

va_tony is a very broad knowledge man.  He helps many people that I know of.  We use to ask him all sort of questions and he'll prompt to answer and show us the information.  He normally won't answer my post.
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CollegeGirl,

I just wanted to thank you for setting people straight here.  I read this board for support not for information.  I hope we are succesful in keeping all information off the board.  It just burns me up.

Liz
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obviously they can be :)  for someone who claims to have so much experience in the research field.. its a bit odd you lack the knowledge of how to write a proper mla citation, and that certain truths are lost on you, like the fact that reproducing even a public work without a proper mla cite (and a web url is not acceptable for future referral ;) ) is considered plagiarism ....Interesting things to make note of..... Im sure you would find your posts much more appreciated if there where infact written in light of personal experience rather than web trolling and mimicing doctors.. Good luck with that :)
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>sigh< Va_tony.. mla style citation is used by hundreds of thousands of individuals, researchers, schools, students, literary journals, newspapers, in many different countries You name it.. it is currently the how to on how to cite ANY work.. sorry if that fact has been lost on you throughout your "career" as a researcher... Any time you use someone elses work, it needs to be cited CORRECTLY..Whether or not you try and pass it off as your own is irrelevent concerning the legalities of the situation... Are you sure you;ve done this before? There are other ways to cite besides mla, but if you can find me one that advises to cite the way you "cite", ill eat my words... i believe the general point being stressed is, Stand on your own two feet.

As you can see, this thread has made a positive turn into helping pika understand her ekg.. do you have anything positive to add? or are you done posting?
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College Girl --- come back to reality.  This is not a MLA publication (or anything resembling a research publication).  This is a public support board -- a chat room if you like.  MLA rules don't apply. I was trying to be helpful and provided links and quotes to those asking for info. Not every one has the time or computer saavy to do the google searches- there was no intent on my part to claim what was written was my work -- hence no plagiarism (if indeed such a concept applies to a Board Forum). Quit playing the Board parlimentarian.

I've already said I would follow medhelps wishes in this matter.

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It sounds like one doctor tried to explain it to you? Im sorry it didnt make much sense, sometimes they dont! When you are on an ekg with a pacemaker, it looks different than a normal one... the qrs compex is broad, and can make it look not spiked anymore.. this is normal... Is this what you're referring to?
Have you gone to get a second opinion from another EP or cardiologist? I think this might help more than trying to find out on your own, at least this way a doctor can look at your entire history and try and tell you whats going on.. Maybe you could send your file to cleveland?
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There are some links at fwilson's site with powerpoint presentation that may help you understand your own ECG.  Just do a google search for pvcablation and you should be able to find it.  Sorry I cannot post urls, PikaPika88, but the Internet Police is on the lookout.
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didnt think so..

Pika! :) I hope you dont let the quibble here bury the responses to you.. If you do a search as mariop suggested,  on pacemaker qrs complex, it might make more sense to you... How where you feeling when you noticed this.. Where you symptomatic in anyway? Or just concerned with the ekg?
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One day when I discovered my ECG spikes (QRS) all strinked to a mung bean size.  I asked few GPs, they all said that they can't read, they unable to interprete, they're not specialist, they don't know what is that meant.  (They're worse than a machine!)  Who's can interprete that?  I want to know where all my normal spikes gone?  They told me, "Your heart specialist!"  I send a copy and wrote to him.  His answer is "Pacemaker produces spikes!"  If you're not pacing then "no spike"!  Anyone make sense?

Last year, I showed him (a heart specialist) a holter monitor report.  He said, "it didn't make sense!"  He chucked that piece of paper into the file and closed.

Well, that case isn't help.  I need to find out by myself.  Why it didn't make sense to him?  What is "no spike" meant?  I tried to compare all the ECGs in website but non like mine.  I'm still in question mark?
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Actually, the offending posts still seem to be on the board. I believe the warning was referring to my posts in the threads "Low Heart Rate - post AF procedure " and "congenitial heart defect and fast heart rate common? ". Can't be that illegal if they are still there.

The only posts I wrote that were actually removed seemed to be associated with a thread mariop started (it was about a site with a text on the cardiovascular system -- mariop posted the url)  --- the entire thread seems to be gone including posts written by you. I didn't post any quotes or URLs in that thread.
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Maybe it would also serve you well to keep in mind, that no amount of complaining on anyones part is going to get you repremanded or your posts removed on unless you have in fact, done something that is discouraged... I find it amusing that someone who takes themselves so seriously has such a hard time accepting that they are at fault of something and defends this action blindly... I was not the only forum member to warn you what could happen, and i strongly suspect thats why you personally have been brough to light in this... Its innapropriate to suggest you are above the terms of service of this site based on your self proclaimed knowledge... We're all equal here :) lets all act our ages and play by the rules shall we?? ;) it'll serve you much better here as well as in life... take it as a lesson learned.
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"Dear Tony,

This is a reminder that it is illegal to post copyrighted information on our website. A one or two sentence excerpt is all that is allowed. Your cooperation will be appreciated.

Wishing you all the best"

Im sorry, but i do believe the words "illegal" and "copyrighted" are clearly used there... As someone who obviously thinks of himself as intelligent, i doubt that the implication was lost on you...I was not the one accusing you of anything, i believe the only thing ive ever brought up to anyone on the forum was the treads being started solely as a chance to spam a link, as i personally find it annoying, and it just so happens medhelp supports my point of view on that... the fact that you were warned on an appearant suspect of copyright infringment is a completely different ball game, and as someone who claims to have an extensive amount knowledge in the field, ide assume you would know how to appropriate use and cite information, and be able to use that 1st grade education and read that this website forbids that...

Is it so difficult to stand on your own two feet and not have to use other peoples works to try and validate yourself?
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66068 tn?1365193181
"Tony, I find it flattering you'de like to blame your accusation of plagerism on me :) "

I certainly was not accused by medhelp of plagiarism (gosh, I even know how to spell the word) and I don't believe I violated anyones copyright, since everything I posted was from a public-domain source for which I gave attribution. I believe Medhelp's warning derives from a legal concept called "an abundance of caution" (probably based on their attorney's advice).
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Posting links to other websites or individuals, without prior written permission from Med Help


there you go :) A url is infact, a website address, piddle about the terminology all you want, im sure for two people who hold themselves in such high reguard, can understand such a simple statement

This is clear as a day people... If you'de like to post links, simply get prior permission, ive done it.. its not difficult :)

Tony, I find it flattering you'de like to blame your accusation of plagerism on me :) i dont see where you posted a link, but if i had, i would have said something to you directly as i have to mariop :).... Maybe the thought has escaped you that something you apperantly did was copyright infringment .... imagine that!
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arthur.. Please dont continue to comment on my posts when you lack to forsite to understand them... My comment about plagerism is in reguards to the folks who sidestep the link rule and just directly quote studies.Do you understand what plagerism is? .

Nowhere does it say only live links are banned... there is a link to the terms of use right at the top of the page, and it doesnt take a genious to understand it... it clearly says by posting here , you observe those terms, and posting a website address is clearly not allowed, you are disrespecting the very thing you are trying to be a part of, and i find it a bit rediculous that adults are infact, throwing temper tantrums, calling a medical website names, and threatening a coo because you dont agree with the terms of service.. perhaps a better outlet for such frustration would be to find some place that will accept that kind of behavior.. Dont let the door hit you on the way out if you cant find it in your hearts and minds to act like adults.



I find it hard to believe you also are personally knowledgable about the habits of "many" MD's... your "experience" in this matter would be none.

I dont believe i chide others for learning at all..What do you consider learning?? Looking up your disorder, reading on it, great, perfect, theres penty of info to be had..

Trying to teach yourself medicine is something completely else, and its dangerous...If you feel the need obsess so strongly about the issue and spend your days searching the internet in the attempt to "educate" yourself, you have every right to do that.. I have every right not to be subjected to it... If you have an earnest opinion, i would hope you have the intelligence and the maturity not to post studies and quote qualified people like a parrot because you are infact, unqualified to factually support your own opinion...

i believe i chide a select few people who take "learning" as an excuse to force opinions based on fallacy onto others... i find it extremely disturbing that a "well" individual would have nothing better to do than sit on a support board and tell suffering people his theories about their mortality... I find it extremely disturbing a "well indvidual" considers buying thousands of dollars worth of medical equiptment to experiment on ones self, or shock themselves with an electric fence..

Yep.. sounds like a well individual to me :)
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66068 tn?1365193181
I also received a warning today.  I guess somebody reported me (gee, I wonder who?) . It didn't mention anything about links or URLs though.  It simply said:

"Dear Tony,

This is a reminder that it is illegal to post copyrighted information on our website.  A one or two sentence excerpt is all that is allowed.  Your cooperation will be appreciated.

Wishing you all the best,

MedHelp.org"

I will, of course respect Medhelp's wishes. However, I did write back to them asking about URL clarification-- as Arthur said, strickly speaking a link (short for hyperlink) is not an URL. BTW this distinction is currently being tested in the courts.

I'm not a medical doctor and so I thought it would be appropiate to back up any opinions I give with a quote from a respected medical source. This is not plagiarism because by adding the URL and identifying the source, I have given proper attribution. I have been the Editor of a scientific journal and know the distinction between plagiarism and proper citation. I also fail to see why posting a URL is copyright infringement since such a web address simply provides a way to contact the copyright owner directly, who then chooses to make the copyrighted material freely available or not. All of my URLs were to trusted medical sources like medical journals, medical teaching hospitals, medline, American Heart Association, etc.

I am not on a crusade here.  I'm simply giving my views.  If medhelp doesn't want me to post URLs, I won't,  But I can't help but wonder if the true reason isn't copyright concern (which other heart boards seem not to share to this degree) or if it's an attempt to limit the flow of info not provided by the site doctor or by personal physicians (or perhaps as CollegeGirl believes, to limit the amount of confusion we have).

Best wishes everyone

Tony
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"Nothing in life is to be feared.  It is only to be understood." Marie Curie

Unless we know enough about an issue, we shan't be able to ask the doctor a probing question, not shall we be able to understand the answer.  We shall indeed step back into the world of the witch doctor and subjects taboo.

ECGs are really very simple.  To understand the basics is not difficult.  To understand the nuances, that's a different story...even computer algorithms are too simple-minded to do a good job of that.  I think the learned patient gets that.

There are folks in this forum that constantly tell us to avoid trying to learn the hows and whys of a thing, fearing such knowledge be misunderstood, misinterpreted, and misused.  Apparently they fear that we are likely to think we know enough about medicine to practice on ourselves and others.  Very liberal thinking, that.  Almost like a parent admonishing a child.

Alas, the conundrum... stay simple-minded and rely on pure trust, or become smart and ask the right questions.  

-Arthur
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