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I guess there are no simple answers...magnesium etc.
I'm still confused regarding the effects (both positive and negative) of magensium that has been discussed on the Tim Russert thread. I got a little lost reading the dialogue over whose research is what and what kind of magnesium to take and what kind not to take under this that and the other circumstances and when it's bad for you, when it's good. I'm thoroughly confused. I understand there is no simple answer about anything related to heart issues. I suppose if that were the case heart disease wouldn't be the #1 killer. Maybe I'm just a little dense. In the Tim Russert thread, Kenkeith recommended "Recapture Your Health," and on another thread E.R.boy recommended reading a book on heart disease. Can anyone recommend a book that is relatively easy to read for someone with very little medical knowledge, specifically on heart disease, but also on general good health? Something reputable, something that isn't called something like "1000 cures for everything under the sun," by Dr. Quack. I don't want to waste my time reading something by someone whose been discredited. Thanks for any help!
The mg issue is settled unless you have some specificity you wish to relate. Additionaly, I am selective in the books and any other reading material I read, and respectfully I am cerainly not impressed by anything YOU have read or suggested based on what you have posted and the icing on the cake is the effective rebuttal by a consortium of experts, and that is persuasive!
Some books are notoriously inaccurate and often meant to be controversial to increase sales, don't believe everything you read. Dr. B has a skinny resume... Get over it, move on, read another book! :)
Some books are notoriously inaccurate and often meant to be controversial to increase sales, don't believe everything you read. Dr. B has a skinny resume... Get over it, move on, read another book! :)
Your making statements, without doing your research! either buy DR. Blaylocks books or go to the library! read before you give inaccurate information!
Maybe this will help I found it on another forum:
It's so flipping frustrating isn't it?!!! I just went thru a 10 month phase of horrible runs, couplets, bigimeny everyday in the 10,000's. I took Toprol and couldn't even get out of bed. Started Sectral and within an hour, things only got worse. Anyway, I started taking around 400 to 500 mgs. of plain liquid magnesium about a week ago and when I woke up yesturday they were gone! Poof! Just like that. Its been a blissful, completely PVC-free 29 hours so far.
My Cardio/EP is a huge advocate for mag. getting rid of PVC's, but I never gave it much of a chance and was never diligent in taking it everyday....until last week when I just couldn't take the runs of PVC's anymore. Like you, I was willing to try anything.
By the way, serum blood tests do little to nothing in showing a mag. deficiency. To get the needed daily amount, one has to eat huge amounts equivalent to 12 cups of broccoli, or 14 banana's, or 20 cups of spinach, etc. and that's EVERYDAY, not just a few times a week.
"While magnesium deficiency is fairly common, it is frequently overlooked as a source of problems. The reason is that serum magnesium levels (the test most doctors use) do not reflect body stores of magnesium. Blood levels are kept within the normal range at the expense of other tissues. Supplemental vitamin D or calcium reduces magnesium uptake.
Magnesium supplementation has been shown to be an extremely effective therapy or adjunctive measure in many common conditions especially cardiovascular disease. Magnesium is absolutely essential in the proper functioning of the heart. Magnesium's role in preventing heart disease and strokes is generally well-accepted. In addition, there is a substantial body of knowledge demonstrating that magnesium supplementation is effective in treating a wide range of cardiovascular diseases.
For example, magnesium was first shown to be of value in the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias in 1935. More than seventy years later, there are now numerous double-blind studies showing magnesium to be of benefit for many types of arrhythmias including atrial fibrillation, ventricular premature contractions, ventricular tachycardia, and severe ventricular arrhythmias."
It's so flipping frustrating isn't it?!!! I just went thru a 10 month phase of horrible runs, couplets, bigimeny everyday in the 10,000's. I took Toprol and couldn't even get out of bed. Started Sectral and within an hour, things only got worse. Anyway, I started taking around 400 to 500 mgs. of plain liquid magnesium about a week ago and when I woke up yesturday they were gone! Poof! Just like that. Its been a blissful, completely PVC-free 29 hours so far.
My Cardio/EP is a huge advocate for mag. getting rid of PVC's, but I never gave it much of a chance and was never diligent in taking it everyday....until last week when I just couldn't take the runs of PVC's anymore. Like you, I was willing to try anything.
By the way, serum blood tests do little to nothing in showing a mag. deficiency. To get the needed daily amount, one has to eat huge amounts equivalent to 12 cups of broccoli, or 14 banana's, or 20 cups of spinach, etc. and that's EVERYDAY, not just a few times a week.
"While magnesium deficiency is fairly common, it is frequently overlooked as a source of problems. The reason is that serum magnesium levels (the test most doctors use) do not reflect body stores of magnesium. Blood levels are kept within the normal range at the expense of other tissues. Supplemental vitamin D or calcium reduces magnesium uptake.
Magnesium supplementation has been shown to be an extremely effective therapy or adjunctive measure in many common conditions especially cardiovascular disease. Magnesium is absolutely essential in the proper functioning of the heart. Magnesium's role in preventing heart disease and strokes is generally well-accepted. In addition, there is a substantial body of knowledge demonstrating that magnesium supplementation is effective in treating a wide range of cardiovascular diseases.
For example, magnesium was first shown to be of value in the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias in 1935. More than seventy years later, there are now numerous double-blind studies showing magnesium to be of benefit for many types of arrhythmias including atrial fibrillation, ventricular premature contractions, ventricular tachycardia, and severe ventricular arrhythmias."
Thanks for clarifying. I'm still interested in any books you might recommend other than the one you already mentioned, which looks like a good book (based on Amazon.com info). I am very interested in preventative medicine, and while I think highly of my EP, I don't think that's where his mind is...so I'm trying to make good decisions without causing myself more harm.
I may have been responsible for some of the confusion. The thread is somewhat choppy. I'll try to synchronize and provide some continuity.
Magnesium helps keep the calcium channel closed so as to protect the cells. . . . Recent nutritional studies have shown up to 75% of adults in the United States have a significant magnesium deficiency. . . . In fact, dietary studies and metabolic balance studies indicate that the amount of magnesium in the American diet has been declining during most of this century. This is a generally accepted theory within the medical community. A LOW level of mg will cause arrhythmia, etc. So will HIGH levels... requires a balance of minerals and electrolytes for good electrical conduction to pass impulses in a timely manner.
The other thread in question did not point out it was referencing LOW mg levels in the original post, but was advocating increasing mg levels without knowing whether the mg level was low, within an acceptable range, or high. There are medical problems with low levels, and my post focussed on the danger of high levels....Dr. Russel Blaylock, sells books, lectures, sells a monthly report, and his thesis is based on an assumption of low level of mg without acknowledging in his reports the results and danger of a high level (I didn't find any such info).
The following is Dr. comments, mine in parenthesis. Russert didn’t know was what probably killed him (not arrhythmia, but thrombosis and irrelevant to mg issue), says acclaimed neurosurgeon and health advocate Dr. Russell Blaylock. “Chances are the medicines he was taking to reduce his chances of having a life-ending heart attack – probably statins – weren’t helping him at all (that statement has no foundation in fact, CAD can cause a HA). Dr. states statins don’t protect against heart attacks (we know statins are expected to prevent occlusions and blockage that cause ischemia resulting in CAD). And he didn’t know that the lack of one nutrient could have cost him his life (no proof to that assertion).
“People who are deficient in magnesium are most likely to have sudden cardiac arrest, and when they do arrest, they are harder to resuscitate. Many simply can’t be resuscitated.” (I find no publication that substantiates that assertion).
If you do have a clot, magnesium prevents the heart from going into spasm (possibly true with low or high levels). About half of the people who die from sudden cardiac arrest die from arrhythmia and magnesium prevents that.(true, but low or high levels present a risk for arrhythmia).
“If Russert was low in magnesium, an inexpensive supplement could have saved his life.” (may be true, but a high level can cause a similar circumstance).
Even though Russert’s death was shocking and sudden, there were ominous signs. Russert had been diagnosed with coronary artery disease and diabetes. Both are risk factors for a sudden heart attack. In addition, he was overweight and in a high-stress job, two additional factors that raised his risk. And although Russert may not have known, an autopsy revealed he also suffered from an enlarged heart.(it seems to me Russert was at high risk notwithstanding mg imbalance).
Magnesium helps keep the calcium channel closed so as to protect the cells. . . . Recent nutritional studies have shown up to 75% of adults in the United States have a significant magnesium deficiency. . . . In fact, dietary studies and metabolic balance studies indicate that the amount of magnesium in the American diet has been declining during most of this century. This is a generally accepted theory within the medical community. A LOW level of mg will cause arrhythmia, etc. So will HIGH levels... requires a balance of minerals and electrolytes for good electrical conduction to pass impulses in a timely manner.
The other thread in question did not point out it was referencing LOW mg levels in the original post, but was advocating increasing mg levels without knowing whether the mg level was low, within an acceptable range, or high. There are medical problems with low levels, and my post focussed on the danger of high levels....Dr. Russel Blaylock, sells books, lectures, sells a monthly report, and his thesis is based on an assumption of low level of mg without acknowledging in his reports the results and danger of a high level (I didn't find any such info).
The following is Dr. comments, mine in parenthesis. Russert didn’t know was what probably killed him (not arrhythmia, but thrombosis and irrelevant to mg issue), says acclaimed neurosurgeon and health advocate Dr. Russell Blaylock. “Chances are the medicines he was taking to reduce his chances of having a life-ending heart attack – probably statins – weren’t helping him at all (that statement has no foundation in fact, CAD can cause a HA). Dr. states statins don’t protect against heart attacks (we know statins are expected to prevent occlusions and blockage that cause ischemia resulting in CAD). And he didn’t know that the lack of one nutrient could have cost him his life (no proof to that assertion).
“People who are deficient in magnesium are most likely to have sudden cardiac arrest, and when they do arrest, they are harder to resuscitate. Many simply can’t be resuscitated.” (I find no publication that substantiates that assertion).
If you do have a clot, magnesium prevents the heart from going into spasm (possibly true with low or high levels). About half of the people who die from sudden cardiac arrest die from arrhythmia and magnesium prevents that.(true, but low or high levels present a risk for arrhythmia).
“If Russert was low in magnesium, an inexpensive supplement could have saved his life.” (may be true, but a high level can cause a similar circumstance).
Even though Russert’s death was shocking and sudden, there were ominous signs. Russert had been diagnosed with coronary artery disease and diabetes. Both are risk factors for a sudden heart attack. In addition, he was overweight and in a high-stress job, two additional factors that raised his risk. And although Russert may not have known, an autopsy revealed he also suffered from an enlarged heart.(it seems to me Russert was at high risk notwithstanding mg imbalance).
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