My father (69) had gone through cath stent in 1997 and then bypass surgery at 2006 .
A month back he was detected of block in main artery by 80-90 % ? His cardiologist suggested Medical management instead of Stent ? My question is can medication solve his cardiac block or eventually we have to do a Stent surgery ?
I'm sorry to hear about your father's problem.
Questions come to mind, this is a difficult question to understand without lots of information.
Is the block in the LAD (left descending artery)? Also, is this the artery that was bypassed? Other questions would include his weight/blood pressure/diabetes control/smoking histories. Also, is he experiencing breathlessness and/or angina?
I'm sorry your father and the family is going through another round of cardiac stress. More information would be helpful. Keep us informed.
Thanks for your response . Answers to your questions .. yes LAD ,weight : 62 kgs(137 lbs) , bp 130/80 , 110 fasting , 120 Post food (PP) . Yes he was experiencing breathless ness and that was the symptom when he visited the doctor. Now it is comparatively less . No angina.
These are the few lines of CT angiogram summary that my father read out tome over phone :
MSCT coronary angiogram reveals absent/poor flow in LIMAgrapht . Venousgrapht D1 ,OM1,PLVB and PDA are patent. More than 50 % stenosis at the LAD austium.
Using medication, stents or bypass have no guarantees for outcome. A bypass can last weeks, as can a stent. So, intervention isn't always the solution anyway. I think that it's becoming far more common now for cardiologists to assist the heart in developing its OWN resolution. The heart can open collateral vessels to form a natural bypass and if there is a good enough flow/pressure in one of the coronary arteries NOT blocked, then this is likely to open those vessels. Why do this instead of stenting or bypass?
Well, in lots of cases, patients obtain a great flow through re-opened vessels using stents or bypass, yet feel the same angina, or even worse. Looking at the angiogram images it isn't clear why either. A classic example would be a patient who goes to hospital with heart attack. They are rushed into the angio-suite and the blockage is seen and stented. Other blockages are seen which are 70% or more, and these are stented too. The patient and the cardiologist have no idea why, but they feel much worse than before the heart attack. This is because lots of collaterals will have closed up again due to the blockages being removed. You can't see the tiny vessels on an angiogram, and you can't see which tiny vessels are blocked requiring those collaterals. opening a big artery is not always the answer, there could be hundreds of tiny vessels which are blocked and relying on the opened collaterals. From everything I've read over the last 5 years and all the patients I've met in my many visits to hospital, I have the firm belief, if there are no symptoms, leave things alone. Nature has dealt with it. However, there can be exceptions to the rule which is where you have to think things through a bit. Lets say for example there is a blockage of 90% in the LAD and 90% in the RCA. The Left Circumflex has a blockage growing, and is currently 60%. The patient has no symptoms. Now, it's obvious there MUST be collaterals, or symptoms would be felt. From the angiogram it's obvious that the collaterals must be fed from the Left Circumflex, it's the only vessel with enough flow/pressure to open them. So basically, the patient is alive due to ONE vessel. If this blockage reaches 70% or higher, it's likely that all the collaterals will close and the patient will be lucky to survive. Personally I think there should be at least one clear vessel at all times so in this case I would have the Circumflex stented, and probably pushed open wider than it normally would be.
The confusion as to why so many patients feel worse after intervention is still unanswered. Some say it's the trauma to the artery, caused by the stent crushing the plaque into the wall. They are now looking at stents which dissolve over a period of months, to help with this problem, even though it isn't known if it IS the problem.
On a last note, it isn't always the size of the blockage which matters. Policy says anything over 70% should be stented or bypassed, although some cardiologists have woken up now and realise this is nonsense. There is a catheter with a tiny sensor which can give readouts of blood flow/pressure etc at any position in a coronary artery, so you can see the effect a blockage is giving. It has been noticed on MANY occasions that a 20% blockage can have far more effect than a 70% or greater. Last year I was given 2 stents because the flow down my Circumflex dropped off by 50% halfway down. There was nothing you could see on the screen, it looked really clear. After stenting the flow rate was the same all the way down. So, microscopic irregularities caused a 50% disruption and without that sensor, this would never have been found. So size doesn't matter in this case.
You can tell from an angiogram in many cases if collaterals are helping a vessel with a blockage. Even though you can't see the collaterals, you can see how much blood is on the opposite side of the blockage. My LAD was 100% blocked at the top, and halfway down it was showing blood but it was retrograde filling. On the angiogram you could see the blood flowing UP the vessel instead of down. A vessel could be wide and fully patent after a tight blockage, that blood must be coming from somewhere.
Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now and I hope I've given you plenty to think about. Sometimes intervention isn't the answer, but you need to evaluate your decision based on all the information available. Intervention can make things worse if the decision is wrong. It sounds like your Cardiologist is of the new camp and knows what's best.
Sorry, that was long winded, let me give a short answer.
No, medication cannot solve a blockage. Medication helps with symptoms but blockages stay. However, the heart can solve the blockage problem by opening natural bypass vessels on the heart which can take a bit of time.
Ed34's answer is very complete, and I agree that doctors are more apt to try to get a patient with vessel blockage to develop collateral arteries that will form natural bypasses than they were in the past, and they use medications plus urge exercise and diet to accomplish these goals.
I've had heart attacks and multiple stents over the past twelve years, and last year I started experiencing increasing breathlessness and angina. Drugs like Ranexa and Coreg were increased and I was urged to continue to exercise, but a followup angiography disclosed I simply wasn't developing collateral arteries. It could be my age (70), because I have diabetes, but I finally had bypass surgery.
The last line of your notes suggests that perhaps there is a blockage in the
lad in the Osial position, probably at the first diagonal takeoff. This is a difficult area to stent, and I wonder if that is a factor. Keep in mind I'm not a health professional and may be mis-reading this.
If your father is active, I'd suggest he carefully continue to exercise and monitor how he is feeling and breathing, and report any change at once to his doctor. You dad should keep nitro tablets or spray with him at all times. Keep us informed.
Your response really a good insight into this matter . I have gone through your reponse multiple number of times and gives me enough confidence to call my dad and say "your cardiologist is good". Thanks Ed34.
my father is 67 years old. Doctors detected 3 block arteries (one is 100% and two are more tha n 90%)and sugested nothing but excercise. and also told us bypass surgery will bring more complicacy to his life and also risky for him. he has got high pressure and diabetic as well. though are in controll. would u please tell me a right solution or any medecine which i can buy from uk (Where i live).
my father ,age:48.no allergic history,not a smoker the coronary angiogram report says
LAD:Type 3 vessel .Diseased from the ostium and totally occluded at mid part and filling retrogradely from collaterals from OM
LAX:non dominant .gives rise to OM1-OM2 .OM1 has ostioproximal 80% disease .OM1 bifucates and lower division has 90% disease. OM2 has 70% disease
RCA:dominant .gives rise to PDA.Proximal to mid RCA has 40-50%disease ,PDA has 70-80% eccentric plaque
IMP:3 vessel diseased
pls sir what should we do about this what would u suggest .
ok sir i understand but my father wish to put stent as he feels doing bypass will be risky for loosing his job and his job includes lot of hard work .even the doctors here suggested bypass more than stent .sir my question is
if he is putting stent will that be risky ? and if he does how much time period of rest would he want ?and if bypass then will he be able to continue his job?
we really need ur help.
Your Father needs more than 1 stent. The report says that the LAD is heavily diseased at the top and totally blocked half way down. How many stents would that require, 3 or 4? The LCx is requiring several stents, due to 80, 90 and 70% lesions. So this is another minimum of 3 stents. The PDA is also diseased. No one will spend that amount of time in different vessels putting stents in, not if they are sane. With a heart bypass operation, your Father will be able to achieve all things he could do before, it just takes about 3 months for his sternum to heal.
I was stented 5 years ago for a right main artery 95% blocked. I never felt angina before this and don't now. I have PSVT, hypothyroid, GAD, Prostrat inflmmation, chronic bronchitis and so on which are expectable at age 86.
I can feel very ill once or twice a day but I never have any feeling that connects this to the stent. I believe it's due to the side effects of seven medicines I take.
I sound like a basket case? No way. This morning. without breakfast, not even coffee, I was up with the birds and scraped and painted heavy wrought iron garden furniture for six hours straight, lifting each item onto a workbench. Then lay down very pleased with myself and with no symptoms whatever other than blessed weariness. Later I may feel that the demons have got me. But I'm fine NOW which is the only time that counts.
thank you for both your emails, the long and the short. This as all new to me even though I have seen nine cardiologists in the past ten years or so. Your info is now my compass as I track through my own record...such as why I never felt angina, or, latterly, a holter showed 16 PSVT events in 24 hours but I did I not feel any tachycardia at all.(and now have to take propafenone even though I have full RBBB and demi LBBB). Best wishes
My knowledge comes from different areas. First off I had a heart attack 8 years ago and have since had 10 stents + a failed triple bypass. I have had half my stents re-block. I have done courses so I can assist my local Doctor in speaking with heart patients. I have read a lot of material too. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.
I assume you eat healthily being athletic? however, do you consume lots of natural sugars in things like drinks? processed sugar follows the patterns with heart disease in many patients. The world health organization has now given daily maximum doses for people to take. Where in the vessel is the blockage?
My dad 75 years old. RCA Mid 80-90% blockage. LAD Proximal 70-80% LAD Mid 100% LCX distal 95%. Left Main Distal 50% .Doctor ordered bypass surgery. Debating. Currently no angina. Had angina 8 years ago. Felt better these years since paying more attention to diet. Went to cardiologist due to routine eye checkup. Any suggestions will be appreciated. He has mild diabetes (Could this be the reason he doesn’t feel angina?)
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