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What is the stuff about hypokenisis, perfusion defect, ejection fraction, and
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What is the stuff about hypokenisis, perfusion defect, ejection fraction, and

by dwolfe, Aug 07, 2005 12:00AM
First of all, a little history from my reports.
Ischemic cardiomyopathy, CAD,  MI, Cardiac arrest; inductable vtach, chronic angina, atrial fib, ventricular fib, dislipidemia, syncope, sick sinus syndrome, severe hypokinesis of the anterior wall, anterior septal wall, and the left ventricular apex.  Also a marked anterior, septal, and apical perfusion defect with absent tracer uptake extending form the basil to the distal left ventricular segments which revealed no evidence of redistribution on the delayed images.
LVEF of between 20% and 35% according to which test and when. Pulmonary artery systolic pressure estimated at 44 mmHg consistent with pulmonary hypertension.
8/26/03 I was told after MI that I only had a 10% plaque in my arteries and nothing was done until it reached at least 50%.
01/18/04 Second MI was called acute with total blockage of one of the arteries. Reports also say I was in cardiogenic shock. Have a large scar on my anterior wall. EF 18-22%.
3/30/05 Third and fourth attacks were more like passing out.  The first of these I didn’t tell anyone and the second my wife found me approximately 15 minutes after it started and thought I was having a seizure along with a heart attack.   Anyway, back to the hospital and I am told I have ventricular fib, ventricular tycardia, sick sinus syndrome, and syncope and they put in a defibulator. EF 30-36%
7/26/05 Had another stress test done.  Poor heart rate recovery, 1mm upsloping ST segment depression, lv dialated with evidence of severe hypokinesis to akinesis of the anterior wall, interventricular septum, distal inferior wall, distal lateral wall, and left ventricular apex.  EF 25%
7/26/05Then I go to my regular doctor later to get a shoulder problem looked at and my wife made him give me a ct scan because I forgot things a whole lot more than normal. Now I’m
told that I have had a small stoke which is described as a small remote left thalamic lacunar infarct, sometime in the past but he can’t tell me when.
Medications: Lisinopril, Digoxin, Toprol, aspirin, Pravacol, Cholesterol: 180 Noral height & weight

After all that everyone keeps telling me I’m fine but I’m still tired all the time.  My legs have been
sore the entire time I was in cardiac rehab, 24 sessions.  I get lightheaded at different times
maybe 3 or 4 times a week lasting for a short time but nothing specific seems to cause it.
And a host of other things from forgetfulness to angina.
Question 1: What is the stuff about hypokenisis, perfusion defect, ejection fraction, and pulmonary hypertension.
Question 2: They say they can’t tell me when the stoke occurred but that it is older. Is older like 4 months or maybe a year or 10 years. Is there any way to tell?
Question 3: Should I be worried even though doctors seem to think I am fine. I’ve been
In the hospital 3 times in a year and a half and never before that.

by CCF-M.D.-MJM, Aug 07, 2005 12:00AM
Hi dwolfe,

Question 1: What is the stuff about hypokenisis, perfusion defect, ejection fraction, and pulmonary hypertension.

The hypokinesis is an area of damaged heart muscle that still contracts versus akinesis which is an area of heart muscle that doesn't contract at all.  The perfusion defect they describe is scar -- dead myocardium from your heart attack.  Ejection fraction can vary depending on the type of study and inter reader variability.  You have a moderate to severe reduction in your ejection fraction -- that is the take h ome message.  You have mild pulmonary hypertenion, most likely caused by your LV dysfunction and heart failure.

Question 2: They say they can’t tell me when the stoke occurred but that it is older. Is older like 4 months or maybe a year or 10 years. Is there any way to tell?

There is no easy way to tell.

Question 3: Should I be worried even though doctors seem to think I am fine. I’ve been
In the hospital 3 times in a year and a half and never before that.

I think you should do your best to maintain a low salt diet, eat healthy and take your medications.  I agree with all your medications but would consider changing pravacol to atorvastatin (lipator) because I think it is slightly a better medication.  You also could consider a aldosterone blocker like spironolactone.

Otherwise it sounds like they are doing the right things.  I hope this helps -- good luck.
Member Comments (11)

by futurdoc2be, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
To: dwolf and CCF M.D.
I just thought I would add my "two-cents" into the picture... Dwolf - Before I begin, I want to let you know that I am currently a second year medical student with WAY LESS expertise and much less knowledge than the CFF MD's that post replies on this forum... So before I yield my limited bit of knowledge (Knowledge that is mainly associated with the fact while in medical school I have developed this absolute fascination with the human heart), I definately want you to consider the expert before me... So here ya go... In reading your post I could not help but think that you would be a perfect canidate for Carvedilol. Carvedilol is a nonselective beta-blocker with intrinsic alpha-1 blocking capability. Here is what I have learned about the medication that made me feel like it would be beneficial for you to discuss with your current cardiologist... (By the way, the below information is cited from Carvedilol: Beta Blockade and Beyond, Alice F. Stroe M.D. & Mihai Gheorghiade M.D. - Rev. Cardiovasc Med. 2004; 5(suppl 1):S18-S27)

Chronic heart failure is associated with an increase in both atrial and ventricular arrhythmias. Carvedilol has a demonstrated antiarrhythmic effect, especially in patients with ischemic cardiomyopathy, which may result from several different
electrophysiological mechanisms. Adrenergic receptor blockade itself is well recognized to reduce myocardial ischemia and to improve arrhythmic thresholds. In addition, carvedilol possesses membrane-stabilizing characteristics, as well as the
ability to selectively block important electrophysiologic calcium, sodium, and various potassium channels, including both the rapid and slow components of the delayed rectifier current and the transient outward potassium current.

Carvedilol Versus Other ß-Blockers
Carvedilol, long-acting metoprolol succinate, and bisoprolol (used only in Europe) have all been found effective for the treatment of patients with heart failure due to LV systolic
dysfunction. Large, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trials with metoprolol succinate (Metoprolol CR/XL Randomised Intervention Trial in Congestive Heart Failure [MERITHF]),
bisoprolol (Cardiac Insufficiency Bisoprolol Study [CIBIS]-II), and carvedilol (U. S. Carvedilol Heart Failure Study)have all shown a significant reduction in all-cause mortality in heart failure patients. Although the MERIT-HF and CIBISII trials included some patients with New York Heart Association (NYHA) class IV heart failure, carvedilol is the only ß-blocker shown to reduce mortality in a large, randomized, placebo-controlled trial involving only patients with severe, advanced heart failure. It has been suggested that the more complete adrenergic blockade produced by carvedilol as well as its ancillary properties might confer a greater survival benefit than seen with 1-selective agents. In order to test the relative effects of carvedilol and metoprolol on clinical outcomes, the Carvedilol or Metoprolol European Trial (COMET)
randomized 3000 heart failure patients to treatment with either
carvedilol or short-acting metoprolol at comparable ß-blocking doses. The long-acting metoprolol succinate used in the MERIT-HF trial had not yet become available for use during this trial. In this head-to-head trial, carvedilol treatment was associated with a nearly 20% survival advantage compared to metoprolol over a 5-year period.1 CIBIS-II results associated bisoprolol with a greater rate of stroke than placebo. Equivalent average heart rates after 16 months indicated that the actual carvedilol and metoprolol doses used in COMET achieved comparable ß-blockade. However, the formulation and dosage of metoprolol used in COMET have been the subject of
continuing debate. Clinical trials have shown that carvedilol, metoprolol succinate, and bisoprolol are efficacious in patients with mild-to-moderate heart failure. Carvedilol was also shown to benefit patients with severe (NYHA class IV) heart failure as well as patients with post-MI LV dysfunction. Only carvedilol and metoprolol, but not bisoprolol, have been shown to be effective in heart failure accompanied by atrial fibrillation. In contrast to metoprolol, carvedilol has  emonstrated a beneficial effect on renal hemodynamics in patients with impaired renal function.

Carvedilol in Clinical Trials Carvedilol in Patients With Severe Heart Failure: The COPERNICUS Trial
The morbidity and mortality benefits of carvedilol in severe heart failure were investigated in the Carvedilol Prospective Randomized Cumulative Survival (COPERNICUS) trial. This large, multicenter, double-blind trial randomized 2289 patients with heart failure symptoms at rest or minimal exertion (NYHA class IV) and a left ventricular ejection fraction (LVEF) less than 25% to treatment with carvedilol or placebo. Patients were
required to be clinically euvolemic on stable doses of ACE inhibitors and diuretics. The study was stopped early because carvedilol conferred a statistically significant survival benefit that exceeded the predefined stopping criteria set by the study’s data and safety monitoring board. Compared to placebo, patients receiving carvedilol had a 35% reduction of risk of death after a mean follow-up of 10.4 months. There was also a 24% reduction in the combined rate of all-cause death
or hospitalization, and a 27% reduction in the combined rate of cardiovascular death or hospitalization. In a subgroup of patients at particularly high risk of cardiac events, carvedilol treatment provided a 39% reduction in the risk of death and a 29% reduction in the rate of death or  hospitalization, when compared to placebo.55 These findings are particularly important since they negate the long-standing impression that heart failure patients at high risk respond poorly to ß-blockade. Moreover, the benefit obtained during
the first 8 weeks in COPERNICUS was similar to that obtained throughout the entire study, suggesting that initiation of carvedilol treatment is not harmful but has immediate beneficial effects in patients with heart failure.

Carvedilol in Post-MI Patients With LV Dysfunction: The CAPRICORN Trial
Although the benefit of ß-blocker therapy on mortality rates after MI was established in the early 1980s, clinical trials demonstrating this benefit had generally excluded patients
with significant heart failure, and ß-blocker use has specifically been avoided in these patients due to the
fear of precipitating pulmonary edema or cardiogenic shock following the withdrawal of sympathetic support. Since then, ß-blocker use has become further marginalized by the emergence of other mortality-reducing treatments including thrombolysis, angioplasty, and ACE inhibitor, intravenous-nitrate, aspirin,
heparin, and statin therapies. However, significant survival benefits from ß-blocker use in patients with heart failure, such as ischemic cardiomyopathy and prior MI, have renewed interest in ß-blocker therapy for post-MI patients with LV
impairment.

CAPRICORN (Carvedilol Post- Infarct Survival Control in LV
Dysfunction) was the first clinical trial specifically designed to study post-MI patients with confirmed LV systolic dysfunction, with or without clinical heart failure, and the
only large-scale post-MI ß-blocker trial performed in the modern, postthrombolytic era. The trial randomized nearly 2000 acute MI patients with an ejection fraction less than 40% to carvedilol or placebo; patients were also required to receive an ACE inhibitor for at least 48 hours. Nearly half underwent thrombolytic therapy or angioplasty and the majority was treated with aspirin, heparin, and nitrates. Only 10% received
immediate intravenous ß-blockers. Carvedilol reduced all-cause mortality by 23%, similar to earlier ß-blocker trials that did not include heart failure patients. Carvedilol treatment was also associated with a significantly lower incidence of cardiovascular mortality (25%), recurrent nonfatal MI (41%), and the combined end point of death or reinfarction (29%) (Figure 5). Both atrial and ventricular arrhythmias occurred significantly less frequently in patients randomized to carvedilol than to placebo (52% and 63%, respectively). However, there were no significant differences from placebo in
the rate of sudden death, death due to heart failure, heart failure hospitalizations, or the combined endpoint of all-cause mortality or cardiovascular hospitalizations. A 6-month echocardiographic substudy of CAPRICORN found that carvedilol treatment had a beneficial effect on LV remodeling, with significantly greater improvements in LV end systolic volume and LVEF, the 2 most potent predictors of post-MI survival. Changes in LV end-diastolic volume and wall motion score
index were not statistically different from placebo. CAPRICORN has provided an evidence-based template for the management
of patients with LV dysfunction post-MI. The study reaffirms that these patients remain at high risk of death and major coronary events, despite the benefits afforded by modern drugs and interventions. The results of CAPRICORN suggest that long-term carvedilol, in association with ACE inhibitors, aspirin,
statins, and acute revascularization, is the drug of choice for post-acute MI patients with LV dysfunction. Carvedilol has recently received U. S. Food and Drug Administration approval for this indication.

Sorry it was sooooooo long but maybe it helped... Good Luck and keep us informed!

by LacyMary, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
To: future doc
Very good information,  I am a recent LVOT Obstructed, post A-Fib, "heart event" patient which my doctor says concerns him greatly. I will show him this information.  Thanks for sharing.

by dwolfe, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
Thank you for the information.  I will bring up the Carvedilol to my doctor on my next visit. I guess, being a fairly young person, I just don't understand why this keeps happening.  Trying my best to understand whats going on but you only get a few minutes with the doctors and I forget half of what I want to ask.  Again, thanks for the info.

by mmfd, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
For what it's worth, Carvedilol is the same drug as Coreg.  I do believe it is frequently preferred for CHF patients.

by futurdoc2be, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
To: mmfd
Yes your correct, Coreg is another name for Carvedilol... To my understanding, Carvedilol/Coreg was initially introduced as a drug therapy for CHF patients but from what I gather from medical research reports and literature, it has also been found to be benefical with other patients presenting with clinical pictures other than CHF. I do know that Carvedilol/Coreg is absolutely contraindicated in patients with decompensated heart failure.

by tickertock, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM

Eucardic is also another name for carvedilol,apparently the drug of choice for MOST patients with CHF.

by chrisr, Aug 08, 2005 12:00AM
To: Futurdoc2be
Thanks for the extensive info on Coreg. I would appreciate your input on whether I indeed could take Coreg. After recent stent implant I have been left with a dysfuntional LIMA bypass and slighly funtional LAD besides other RCA and LCX blokages. A recent stress test indicated a large area of reversible ischemia in both anterior and inferior sections. I have always had PACs and PVCs after triple CABG with AVR and aortic root repair 5 years ago. Atenolol initially helped with these but after 2 weeks pronounced PVCs compelled the cardios to stop atenolol with the advice that I was somewhat allergic to Betablockers. However 5 years later and after my recent heart work I am being strongly advised (including CCF cardio) to start taking Coreg 3.125mg. Do you think I am a candidate for Coreg? Any comments would be highly appreciated. Thanks, ChrisR.

by futurdoc2be, Aug 09, 2005 12:00AM
To: Chris
Chris - Unfortunately, I am only a second year medical student with WAY LESS expertise and much less knowledge than the CFF MD's that post replies on this forum... So, the limited information I yielded previously is mainly associated with the fact that while in medical school I have done extensive research relating to cardiovascular medicine and in doing so, developed an absolute fascination with the human heart (It truly is an amazing organ)! SO, I definately want you to consider the expert before me... But, for what it's worth, if I were you I would do as much research on my condition as I could... There are many sites on the internet that I have found helpful in my quest to ascertain the latest information in cardiovascular medicine (Note: You have to be careful which sites you get your information from because there tends to be a lot of bias out in the world of cyberspace with regard to the numerous types of pharmecutical medications used in cardiovascular medicine - REMEMBER, the pharmecutical industry makes BILLIONS of dollars each year!)... Being a medical student, I am able to access for free a multitude of medical journal sites from my school and if I were you I would prefer to stick with the information yielded from these sites... I'm not sure your financial situation but you may want to consider purchasing an online subscription to a medical journal site that you feel may benefit you in your quest for information - The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is a good one, kinda expensive, but it does provide a bunch of information. You may also want to consider lookin at these following free medical journal sites, they provide web access to past issues and many of their information is available in PDF so you can print out the information you recieve and provide it to your physician... Here are some of the sites:
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/contents-by-date.0.shtml
http://www.clinicalcardiology.org/previous.html
http://heart.bmjjournals.com/contents-by-date.0.shtml
http://circ.ahajournals.org/contents-by-date.0.shtml
http://www.freemedicaljournals.com/
Good luck in your quest for information... Sorry if I didn't provide an answer you were looking for but as I mentioned before, I am only a second year medical student...

by dwolfe, Aug 11, 2005 12:00AM
I noticed that everyone is talking about CHF when talking about this drug.  I haven't been told I have CHF so would it still be useful for me?

by MinnieM, Sep 13, 2005 12:00AM
I read this post and asked my doctor to give me Coreg. He did.  I do not have CHF but some sort of a heart event called NSTEMI.  It is like getting ready to have a heart attack. But who knows!  He took me off the TOPOLXL 75mg and put me on Coreg 12.5 x 2 a day.  Talk about side effects at that strength.  I called him in a zombie/ twilight zone and he told me to get back on the TopolXL till next week when he sees me. What this cardio doc of mine should of done after reading up on this med is to start me off low and slow, i.e. 3.5 mg x 2 a day for a week or so.  Then 6.5 mg x 2 for a week or so and then graduate to the 12.5 if needed via the Echo reports and EKG.  Wonders never cease with my doctors! But what do I know?  Right!  (-:  Good Luck to you.  Take good care and question everything.
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