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repair heart muscle?

I have had CAD since 2004, multiple caths with stents placed, and had a major heart attack dec 2008.  Now my BP is under control (122/78) but my cardiologist did a echo and thallium stress and tells me my heart is damaged and is functioning at 25%.  I feel fine but tire easily.
I want to know if u may be able to recommend ANY way I can rebuild my heart muscle, naturally with herbal remedies or anyway.  I have read an article on rebuilding and strengthening heart muscle tissue by using Aloe....any advice?  The last thing my cardiologist said was see you in 6 months.  ??  apparantly i have cardiomyopathy stage 2/3 with a tad of COPD.   Also have a pacemaker put in Sep 09.
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I have answered your same question on another thread.  Please don't double post as it can cause confusion.  If you have any followup questions, you can post on the thread of your other post.  Thank you.
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I am sorry I did post one other post about using aloe to effectively repair heart muscle damage, and could not find an answer to that either.  Did not mean to double post.
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No problem!...just confusing sometimes and may not be helpful to correlate answers and other followup questions, etc..  Thanks for your questions.  Take care.
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I am surprised that you said that you had suffered a massive heart attack and that your BP is under control at 122/78... Is that the level that your cardiologist want?
Or you just assume it... This is the standard for healthy people.

My case, similar to yours (2007 MI, 23% EF, 5 stents) my cardiologist want my systolic to be below 100 any time !!!

Are you following your prescribed regimes of medication, diet and exercises?

I do and until last March, I was very tired some days ...
I take many supplements: Omega-3, Vit. D, CoQ10, but really when my tiredness went away was when I added Taurine and D-ribose.

Jesus
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"and tells me my heart is damaged and is functioning at 25%"

Is the heart tissue dead?  If this is the case it will not recover. Other neighbouring tissue will help to compensate over time, but long term this too can turn into further problems, so monitoring and correct medication is important. As Jrbon said, it would be more beneficial if your BP is a bit lower, giving less work for the heart to do.
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Yes, I am on two different types of BP meds, lisinopril 20mg 1 am 1pm, and Coreg 25mg same as Lisinopril dosage.  I have 5 stents also...also take Plavix and ASA 325mg daily (Plavix 75mg) ...The echo indicated parts of my heart were not pumping, and the thallium stress indicated only 25% of heart is actually working.  I am 53 yrs old.
At times my BP has been lower than what I posted earlier 108/62, ect.  I do several things to try to keep it all in control, diet, exercise at a limited effort...and meds on time every time.  The girl who did my echo told me there were ways I could re-build my heart tissue, I just needed to look online.  Wow, there are alot of things out there and I wanted to start with something I knew was going to be of help and not hurt anything.Thank you all for any suggestions!!!!  pupmom426
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Well, once heart tissue has died, it cannot be rebuilt, well not until stem cell implants become viable. However, there are many cases where heart tissue is believed to be simply stunned. It's damaged, but not dead and will repair. You should be having professional heart management from your cardiologist who should tell you the best things to do, such as the level of exercise recommended for your heart. All patients are different. It would be wrong for anyone on this forum to suggest your regime, because it could end up causing more harm than good and we don't have all your details either. You should really get advice from your cardiologist and see what he/she suggests. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially the medications claiming to do miraculous things. I'm sure you are very sensible so I would ask a professional medical expert.
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Yes, thank you Ed was thinking of getting 2nd opinion anyway since mine is the head of the Treasure Coast Heart Center  in FL, I think he may be a bit busy?  But, nobody has told me a thing about what I should do so I do what I want and when I get tired I stop.  LOL  I am not a sucker for miracle cures, I know the path that lays ahead for me; I just thought a reasonable right up front forum like this might offer a suggestion, and what I am reading I think I will get a 2nd opinion!!!   from a cardiologist.  I appreciate your comments Ed and thank you for responding!!!!!!  pup
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Ed34 is right, you should follow your dr. indications and if you are not comfortable with it, try to search a second opinion.

Unfortunately he is also right by saying that the dead tissue will continue death.

However more and more studies are pointing into, in my opinion, a very logical direction, which is the following:

1) Hearth problems is a life long issue
2) Long term medication reduces the level of macro and micro nutrients in the body.
3) Now it is starting to be recognized that the following nutrients play an important role in heart health: Calcium, Magnesium, Copper, Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin D.
4) In my view, it will make all the sense to check them and, if necessary, to bring them to the higher levels of the normal range.
5) Some papers even speak that, when adequately managed, those nutrients can reverse the adverse cardiac remodeling of some heart diseases.
6) Overall, bringing them at the right levels, it seems to reduce the symptoms and, not miracle but, enhance the quality of live.

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Thank you Jesus, I thank you for giving me your opinion and yes, I have read and read about different nutrients affecting the heart for the good.  I have put alot of those into action and take them daily.  I feel like a pin cushion, they have been taking blood levels alot lately, and last set were all within normal limits!  I don't think they do vit D Copper or Zinc and Selenium levels...but may offer that as a suggestion on my next set in 3 months.  Once again, I appreciate your input, and I live by the motto Do what you like, Like what you do!!!  

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Heart is most complicated organ in the body. Body has got auto-repair system for heart. My heart developed colateral blood circulation.Of course correct help from doctor will cure heart earlier.Try to keep blood quality as good as possible. Try to keep debries in the blood as low as possible.Diet and exercises in consultation with proper doctor will help you immensely.
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Hey. I have 5 stents , First one a year ago, during procedure doc. last stent in my body , he did other one, but 10 months later I got 99% plug in same vessel {right} just different place this time I got 2 stents.    2 months later - last Nov. again same vessel , but different place  2 stents. So far my Heart is good no damage, but I,m getting tired , and after exercise like playing tennis I have discomfort  in my chest  and  I,m very weak for a few hours. I just take nitrostate 0.4 mg and rest. Always I was very active, even after  3 rd. stent I didnot have these symptoms ,now I do. I,m taking Lisinopril 10 mg. Metoprolol 25mg, effenet , asprin 81 mg ,CoQ - 10 , B-6, Magnesium any advise to rebuild my fitness.
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thank you CB61 for your comments.  It is now Dec 2012, I am doing well, no more stents, Thank the Lord.  I found out that taking SOLUABLE fiber (that nasty stuff that's like powder) 2/3 times a day 1 tsp washes away the cholesterol build-up and ALL my numbers were so fantastic, my dr. was amazed and asked what I did.  lol    Also I bought a treadmill and b4 I go to dr. a few hours ahead of time I walk.  sometimes it's only 5 min. b4 I get winded....but, my BP is NORMAL when I go into his office.  I still get tired in the afternoons but I am going to try the COQ10, which I have read alot about and that may help my tiredness.  I do appreciate your input and comments!!!!   :)    pup
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I am suffering from Aortic Valve Regurgitation. I had many complications such as High B.P (160/110) always, Palpitation, Shortness of breath, chest heaviness. the cardiologist prescribed me B.P medication and Vitamin D but no satisfactory benefit.
After a long research on herbs I found some herbal medicine that brought a major improvement in my disease and complications.
I am taking (Hawthorn berry supplement 765 mg twice a day), (Arjuna 500 mg twice a day), (Magnesium 250 mg & Potassium 1000 mg once a day).
I feel much more better, no complications. heart muscles are good, pumping capability much improved, B.P is 110/80. I am so thankful of Allah for the natural healing herbs.
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I have a question about experimental treatment of my own and Im wondering if it could help threat the damaged heart tissue. Recently I've search over the internet what could repair damaged or scarred tisue of internal organs etc. and I've come across Avogen suplement capsules which are extract of avocado oil and some other ingredients. So in description it says Avogen keys on the extra-cellular matrix (ECM) to aid and support cells deteriorated from aging and stress and repairs damaged scar tissue causing greater blood flow through damaged tissue.. Im wondering if there is any credibility to this treatment and if it is worth a try if extracellular matrix helps rebuilding heart tissue in any way... ? Thank you
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I have a question about experimental treatment of my own and Im wondering if it could help threat the damaged heart tissue. Recently I've search over the internet what could repair damaged or scarred tisue of internal organs etc. and I've come across Avogen suplement capsules which are extract of avocado oil and some other ingredients. So in description it says Avogen keys on the extra-cellular matrix (ECM) to aid and support cells deteriorated from aging and stress and repairs damaged scar tissue causing greater blood flow through damaged tissue.. Im wondering if there is any credibility to this treatment and if it is worth a try if extracellular matrix helps rebuilding heart tissue in any way... ? Thank you
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Hi Khalidjan, Where did you get Hawthorn berry supplement 765 mg?

I am taking Arjunarishta with other Ayurvedic medicine. I have aortic Regurg with dilated LV. My BP is in the range of 140 to 165/80.

How long it took for you to see the effect? I have started 4 months back.

Thank you
VB


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What does  hawthorn berry do for your. Heart
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http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/hawthorn
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