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PAC's and Magnesium?
I've had a horrible year with PAC's and getting this thing figured out. In June my cardiologist upped my dose to tenormin. When we did that life was perfect!! I went MONTHS without one "episode". And the now the past 2 weeks its back and I'm a little upset about it. I"ve heard that magnesium is good for PAC"s? Does anyone know anything about this? Also - if I do take magnesium supplement can it intereact with ANY medication? If anyone could give me any information I'd be grateful. And can you tell me again that this PAC stuff won't hurt me?
Thanks
Diane
Thanks
Diane
Hi I do agree that more is not better!!! My fathers defenciency went undaignoised for years becuase all they did was a serum mag test which only shows 1% of mag when they did a cellular test it showed his tissue levels were very low. I dont think Mag is a cure by any means but I do think that mag is defiencent in alot of people due to bottled water, how we eat etc. My cardio said today that Mag is especially given after surgerys to help prevent further damage and arrythmias and most of the time the patient doesnt even know that they are given it. Alot of neurologist tell you to take Mag I know several people that Mag has helped with thier migraines....I have IST and while I wish it would cure me I know thats not going to happen but I do think by adding Mag to my diet along with other life changes that I will see a difference. with what I have sometimes all I have is hope and maybe just maybe this is will work for me or atleast make my heart work a little bit better to handle my high heart rate. at this point I will take what I can get but I had my dughter last Nov and had my gallbladder out during my pregnacy which I lived on gatoriade and broth for 4 months thats the only thing that went in my mouth besides anti nausea medication (chemotherepy strength) then 2 weeks to the day after having Allie I had a severe uterine infection that they kept sending me home telling me I had the flu or maybe it was my appendix it took 9 visits to the ER 2 overnight stays and 3 surgens to figure out that I had a uterine infection then I had a D&C then 2 days later developed a blood staph infection and they pumped god knows what through me for two weeks while I was in the hospital then developed severe gastritis and chronic BV and with the BV they put me on 21 days of
metronidazole, which felt like posion and actually made the infection worse. I finally met a woman that told me about probiotics I went home threw that **** antibotic in the garbage started on pharmex probiotics and with in one week the infection was gone and i take it every day. then about a month later I started twitching in my left thumb nonstop and going numb all over this went on for about 3 months then stoped and then a couples weeks later I started with palpitations and then one day I was getting out of breath walking to the bath room I bought a heart monitor and my heart rate was going from 70's sitting to 150-170 standing without walking just standing up. I went to the doc several times over and over and they did and ekg and echo said heart was fine excpet trace regurgitation in one of my valves (not mitiarl) and it was all anxiety and I was over reacting put me on beta blocker and it didnt touch my heart rate they said it was all mental! I had to travel to clevland heart clinic from VA to get an answer!!!! Doctors are wrong all the time somtimes thank god there are ones out there that listen and try to help you when you know there is something wrong! probably the worst 2 years of my life except for my daughter who was worth every little bit of it but I have learned that sometimes the answer isnt alot of pills and antibiotics sometimes natural is better when I would tell those docotors that I took probiotics some would say oh those dont work your wasting your money and some would say maybe they would work but didnt know anything about them and one docotor took them becuase he said that it was the only think that kept his reoccuring skin staph infection gone.....docs like that are more open and the cardiologist I have now after seeing 3 or 4 that wouldnt listen to me and wanted to push all this stuff that wsant neccessary he said im about what works whatever they may be thats the kind of doc you want he is actually a childrens cardiologist but he sees patients with IST and POTS. I hope people out there dont take thier doctors word when they say NO or theres nothing worng listen to your body and find a doc that will listen and think outside the box sometimes it could help you and your symptoms including mag! sorry so much I have just had alot of heartache over things like this poeple need to have an open mind!
metronidazole, which felt like posion and actually made the infection worse. I finally met a woman that told me about probiotics I went home threw that **** antibotic in the garbage started on pharmex probiotics and with in one week the infection was gone and i take it every day. then about a month later I started twitching in my left thumb nonstop and going numb all over this went on for about 3 months then stoped and then a couples weeks later I started with palpitations and then one day I was getting out of breath walking to the bath room I bought a heart monitor and my heart rate was going from 70's sitting to 150-170 standing without walking just standing up. I went to the doc several times over and over and they did and ekg and echo said heart was fine excpet trace regurgitation in one of my valves (not mitiarl) and it was all anxiety and I was over reacting put me on beta blocker and it didnt touch my heart rate they said it was all mental! I had to travel to clevland heart clinic from VA to get an answer!!!! Doctors are wrong all the time somtimes thank god there are ones out there that listen and try to help you when you know there is something wrong! probably the worst 2 years of my life except for my daughter who was worth every little bit of it but I have learned that sometimes the answer isnt alot of pills and antibiotics sometimes natural is better when I would tell those docotors that I took probiotics some would say oh those dont work your wasting your money and some would say maybe they would work but didnt know anything about them and one docotor took them becuase he said that it was the only think that kept his reoccuring skin staph infection gone.....docs like that are more open and the cardiologist I have now after seeing 3 or 4 that wouldnt listen to me and wanted to push all this stuff that wsant neccessary he said im about what works whatever they may be thats the kind of doc you want he is actually a childrens cardiologist but he sees patients with IST and POTS. I hope people out there dont take thier doctors word when they say NO or theres nothing worng listen to your body and find a doc that will listen and think outside the box sometimes it could help you and your symptoms including mag! sorry so much I have just had alot of heartache over things like this poeple need to have an open mind!
What your father had was a defininte deficiency. But a simple blood test will accomplish detect it. But simply taking more than what your body really needs is not a cure. There is a perception out there that doctors simply want to prescribe meds. Obviously some do. But I'll tell you that if Magnesium was the "silver bullet" cure then all of us who had suffered from PAC's would have bottles in our medicine cabinets and all the people on this forum that have PAC's and PVC's would be swearing by magnesium. And doctors would have a quick easy solution to the scores of people that suffer from and irregular heart beat.
As the above study suggests if you have a deficiency it definitely works. But if there is no deficiency then it doesn't. There is this mentality out there that more is better. That simply isn't true. In fact it is also possible that it can be harmful. For example if you take too much Niacin it can extremely harmful. Yet Niacin has been proven to help with cholesterol levels.
As the above study suggests if you have a deficiency it definitely works. But if there is no deficiency then it doesn't. There is this mentality out there that more is better. That simply isn't true. In fact it is also possible that it can be harmful. For example if you take too much Niacin it can extremely harmful. Yet Niacin has been proven to help with cholesterol levels.
Just to comment further on that abstract I posted.
It says that the women ate less than or more than the RDA of magnesium. They say that decreased magnesium resulted in an increase in ectopic beats however there is no comment on the effects of increased magnesium (above the RDA) except to say that a RDA of 320mg is correct. This would suggest to me that increasing Magnesium above the RDA had no effect on ectopy, and this is what I would expect.
There are only 22 subjects in the study though so their results may not be highly statistically significant. I've only seen the abstract, not the entire article.
It says that the women ate less than or more than the RDA of magnesium. They say that decreased magnesium resulted in an increase in ectopic beats however there is no comment on the effects of increased magnesium (above the RDA) except to say that a RDA of 320mg is correct. This would suggest to me that increasing Magnesium above the RDA had no effect on ectopy, and this is what I would expect.
There are only 22 subjects in the study though so their results may not be highly statistically significant. I've only seen the abstract, not the entire article.
Low magnesium is one of the things that can can cause PACs and PVCs . If hypomagnesemia is your problem then magnesium supplementation, of course, will help. Taking extra magnesium won't reduce your PVCs unless hypomagnesemia happens to me the source of your problem.
The following study published in the american journal of nutrition suggests that a dietary intake of 130mg per day (the RDA is 320mg per day) results in an increase in PACs and PVCs.
Low dietary magnesium increases supraventricular ectopy.
Klevay LM, Milne DB.
US Department of Agriculture,
BACKGROUND: Magnesium has been suggested to be beneficial in counteracting all phases of the processes that lead to ischemic heart disease, including terminal events such as arrhythmia and sudden death. OBJECTIVE: We tested the hypothesis that an intake of magnesium considerably below the recommended dietary allowance can produce chemical and physiologic evidence of depletion. DESIGN: Twenty-two postmenopausal women were maintained in a metabolic unit and ate a diet of conventional foods containing less than one-half of or more than the recommended dietary allowance for magnesium (320 mg/d). Dietary assignments were random and double blind in a crossover design. Magnesium concentrations were measured by spectroscopy and ion-specific electrolyte analysis, and Holter electrocardiograms lasting approximate 21 h were recorded. RESULTS: Magnesium concentrations in erythrocytes, serum (total and ultrafilterable), and urine were significantly lower when dietary magnesium was lower. Holter monitors showed a significant increase in both supraventricular and supraventricular plus ventricular beats when the dietary magnesium concentration was low. Hypomagnesemia, hypocalcemia, and hypokalemia were not found. CONCLUSIONS: The magnesium requirement was defined with the use of biochemical and electrophysiologic criteria. The recommended dietary allowance of 320 mg/d seems correct; 130 mg is too little. Persons who live in soft water areas, who use diuretics, or who are predisposed to magnesium loss or ectopic beats may require more dietary magnesium than would others.
The following study published in the american journal of nutrition suggests that a dietary intake of 130mg per day (the RDA is 320mg per day) results in an increase in PACs and PVCs.
Low dietary magnesium increases supraventricular ectopy.
Klevay LM, Milne DB.
US Department of Agriculture,
BACKGROUND: Magnesium has been suggested to be beneficial in counteracting all phases of the processes that lead to ischemic heart disease, including terminal events such as arrhythmia and sudden death. OBJECTIVE: We tested the hypothesis that an intake of magnesium considerably below the recommended dietary allowance can produce chemical and physiologic evidence of depletion. DESIGN: Twenty-two postmenopausal women were maintained in a metabolic unit and ate a diet of conventional foods containing less than one-half of or more than the recommended dietary allowance for magnesium (320 mg/d). Dietary assignments were random and double blind in a crossover design. Magnesium concentrations were measured by spectroscopy and ion-specific electrolyte analysis, and Holter electrocardiograms lasting approximate 21 h were recorded. RESULTS: Magnesium concentrations in erythrocytes, serum (total and ultrafilterable), and urine were significantly lower when dietary magnesium was lower. Holter monitors showed a significant increase in both supraventricular and supraventricular plus ventricular beats when the dietary magnesium concentration was low. Hypomagnesemia, hypocalcemia, and hypokalemia were not found. CONCLUSIONS: The magnesium requirement was defined with the use of biochemical and electrophysiologic criteria. The recommended dietary allowance of 320 mg/d seems correct; 130 mg is too little. Persons who live in soft water areas, who use diuretics, or who are predisposed to magnesium loss or ectopic beats may require more dietary magnesium than would others.
doctors dont know everything and alot of them dont promote anything natural im sorry it didnt work for you maybe you didnt use it long enough, dont know but if you read about magnesium you will see how it can help you. maybe it didnt help you but that doesnt mean it wont help someone else and if you go to search on here and put magnesium the docs on here do say that people need to be checked for magnesuim defecencies and need to take magnesium. yes what your body doenst use it pees out but thats a good thing. My father has a magnesium defenciency and didnt know and now has osteoprosis.... since he has been on Magnesium he hasnt had one rib break in over a year but it took close to 4 months for his levels to get to normal. he also had 2 heart attacks that HIS DUKE cardiologist link to his defecinecy. Since my father has been on magnesium he has been able to go off his beta blocker becuase his heart rate and blood pressure are now with in normla rage and the only thing he changed was adding 500mg of magnesium every day so you cant tell me that it doesnt work maybe for YOU it didnt but your just one person others may be more lucky!
If magnesium were "proven" to help PVC's or PAC's then you would have every doctor on this forum promoting it. My cardiologist never recommended it. I tried it and it didn't work. I noticed no difference. There's lots of junk medicince out there. And if you do a search on the web about it of course you will find articles boasting its success. Most of them want to sell it to you, and at ridiculous prices. They want to sell you their books and their bottles.
Ask your cardiologist first and ask for objective random tests on the subject without going to the web and getting a bunch of pop medicine mumbo jumbo.
Of course minerals are important to proper functioning of the heart. But if your body needs 300mg a day, then taking 1000mg a day is pointless. If you eat healthy you are going to get every mineral necessary. And if you take more than your body can use it just goes out in your urine.
Ask your cardiologist first and ask for objective random tests on the subject without going to the web and getting a bunch of pop medicine mumbo jumbo.
Of course minerals are important to proper functioning of the heart. But if your body needs 300mg a day, then taking 1000mg a day is pointless. If you eat healthy you are going to get every mineral necessary. And if you take more than your body can use it just goes out in your urine.
Hi, I take magnesiunm for PVCs and it does help, it was my cardiologist who recommended it, I take a mineral supplement with potassium and calcium in it as well, but Im not sure how much of that to take, I take 400 mg magnesium each day.I dont know whether it is ok with other medication but I as sure that the cardio would have warned me if there was a danger.If you look magnesium up on the web there are some very good sites which explain it very well. Good luck
Hey I have IST and hear about how important magnesium calcium potassium etc....are and spent over 6 hours doing research the other night and alot more since. Yes magnesium helps PVCs it is proven!!!! not saying it is going to get rid of them 100% but it will help. go to amzon and look up the magnesium factor the book is amazing! magnesium supports over 300 different fuctions in your body. try a liquid calcium vit D combo they are only around $10 worth every penny and yes if your body is getting enough you will pee it out but it is better to know your getting enough then to know that you dont have enough. they found that sudden death is higher is people with low magnesium levels if you have low levels you can have high heart rate and blood pressure! Its all very real check that book out it has alot of good information.
You will hear antecdotal evidence that it helps. However if magnesium were a "silver bullet" then there wouldn't be so much talk on this forum about how to get rid of them. PAC's may be caused by low electrolytes and lack of potassium. But if you are getting the normal daily dosage and you buy magnesium to take, you will simply have more expensive urine.
I had PAC for years, and still do from time to time. I live an active life and I'm still breathing. The only people that are really concerned about them are generally those that feel them. I would say just try to ignore them and go on living because fretting about them will make them worse.
1) Get plenty of sleep
2) Eat a healthy diet.
3) Exercise daily
4) No caffiene and reduce sugar intake. (Even decaffienated drinks have caffiene)
5) Don't work 7 days a week. Take time off to do fun things.
6) Reduce unnecessary stress if possible or learn how to cope with stress in a positive way.
I had PAC for years, and still do from time to time. I live an active life and I'm still breathing. The only people that are really concerned about them are generally those that feel them. I would say just try to ignore them and go on living because fretting about them will make them worse.
1) Get plenty of sleep
2) Eat a healthy diet.
3) Exercise daily
4) No caffiene and reduce sugar intake. (Even decaffienated drinks have caffiene)
5) Don't work 7 days a week. Take time off to do fun things.
6) Reduce unnecessary stress if possible or learn how to cope with stress in a positive way.
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