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Hepatitis B shot is it a necessary for babies?

I have heard that the babies immune system is not capable of handling the vaccine.  If this is so why give it at all?  Doesn't this just cause more damage then it would prevent?
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   I heard a doctor talking on the radio the other day about this very thing. They were saying hospitals were giving babies shots without getting the parents permission. This doctor did not believe that infants were ready for all of these vaccinations and some are now being recognized as problematic, causing autism and more. I would research this very carefully if I were you.
   Good luck.
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I know there is a lot of hoopla about babies and immunizations but I can tell you this...I would have never forgiven myself had I forgone the Hep B vaccine for my children and they had caught it as infants.  Now, THAT could be deadly.

Hep B is spread rather easily.  Why take the risk by not getting your children vaccinated?
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Before you vaccinate a baby, especially one whose immune system is just building, and especially vaccines that contain mercury, or thimerosal, please read this document:

http://gnhealth.com/scripts/prodList.asp

They can always get one later.  Vaccinosis, I call it.  Don't forget, autism is one of the side effects, SIDs is another.  The companies that make vaccines cannot be held responsible if a child has a reaction to them.  Your choice.  

Another site:

http://www.ctvia.org/index.cfm?folder=51

I have a friend that home schooled so they didn't have to get them.  They are in their teens now, and the healthiest kids I've seen.  Never sick.

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http://www.gnhealth.com/Documents/Vaccines/MoratoriumOnHepB.htm

  

The following document was provided by
Burton A. Waisbren, Sr of the Waisbren Clinic
Website www.waisbrenclinic.com

UNIVERSAL HEPATITIS B VACCINATION:

A MORATORIUM SHOULD BE PLACED ON THIS EXPERIMENT
By Burton A. Waisbren, Sr., M.D., F.A.C.P., F.I.D.S.A.

Note: The information on this website is not a substitute for
diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional.

My position is that the program of universal hepatitis B vaccination in the United States (U.S.) is an experiment being performed on our babies. A moratorium should be placed on this experiment until risk/benefit ratios are clearly defined.

First, I will explain why and how this experiment was implemented. I will then analyze the rationales used to sell the program to the public health establishment, state legislatures, and then the pediatricians. I will discuss the methods used to implement the experiment. Finally, I will offer opinions as to why a moratorium on universal hepatitis B vaccination would be beneficial to all concerned.

The concept of universal hepatitis B vaccination in the U.S. was conceived by Dr. Harold Margolis, the head of the hepatitis branch of the CDC and his staff. The concept was based on the following assumptions: Hepatitis B vaccine is safe; the attempt to vaccinate high risk individuals in the U.S. is failing to stem the spread of the disease; five percent or more of the individuals in the U.S. can be expected to get this disease; hepatitis B infection is spread by those without known risk factors; the "only way" to solve the problem of hepatitis B infection in the U.S. is by universal vaccination of babies.

Let us first examine these rationales.

   1. Hepatitis B vaccination is safe.

      Safety is not even mentioned in the initial presentations regarding universal hepatitis B vaccination. In later discussions flat assertions are made that the vaccine is safe.

      We all know that no vaccine, medication, or procedure is completely safe. The question always is, how safe? One wonders how the CDC continues to claim safety for this vaccine when they must be aware of thousands, yes thousands, of reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of adverse events that followed hepatitis B vaccination. Included among these are numerous autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis (M.S.), Guillain Barre
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I did not vaccinnate my youngest when he was a baby, though the vaccine was available.  About the only way I can even imagine a child contracting Hep B is if they were in a group day care situation and they were maybe bit by another child breaking the skin.  I signed waivers for him with the schools until they were all teens and then I did send them into the doc for vaccines.  My family doc did the same thing with his kids who are the same ages roughly as mine. It's been many years since the vaccine became available so perhaps even my doc is encouraging parents who have children in a risk situation to vaccinate, I'm just sharing what I did.  The vaccine was not available when my older kids were babies so it was never a decision to be made.  I'm not hugely big on some of the newer vaccines like chickenpox etc.  because I don't believe that enough time has gone by to prove the efficacy.   I'm not even a huge proponent of the Heb B vaccine as a life long lasting vaccine - too many people seem to have to go get "revaccinated".
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Hi Everyone- Well I wasn't even educated enough to 2nd guess any vaccinations for my kids, but I can say this. Both my kids got double Hep B vaccinations- one right after birth I think, the next at the 1st Dr visit. And they were fine. They got extra Hep B vaccines cuz I'm Hep C+ and they said the vaccine had some effectiveness against the kids getting Hep C from me. I wonder if that's true or just what they thought "back then"? My kids are ancient- 9 and 13- lol.
  Anyway, just my input. My kids also had ther live polio vcaccine, and now I guess they just give the "killed" vaccine. Anything regarding your kids is so hard- we want the best for them and just wish we ALWAYS knew what it was!
-Dee
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One other thing, the original poster says "the disease is spread rather easily".  I'm wondering what they mean as I thought it was not "easily spread" much like Hep C which if my aging brain cells can remember back 15 years ago is what my doc said.   I thought it was Hep A that was easer to catch from food and things and that Hep A is acute and does not become chronic?
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The rate of autism has dramatically increased, currently 1 out of 250 kids and lots of scientific minds are pointing to vaccines.  Although most of us had vaccinations since the '50's with seemingly few problems, they have more vaccinations today, different formulations and frequently inject 4 or more at a time.  Since Hep B is spread sexually and through blood transfusions I don't think the benefits outweigh the risk of vaccinating babies.  I pointed this out to a hospital nurse who was trying to persuade us to vaccinate my day old grandson and she became so rabid I wondered what was really at stake.  The drug companies are really pushing this one.

Speaking of drug companies pushing, I live in Texas where Governer Rick Perry unilaterally signed an executive mandate that every girl age 12 and over would be vaccinated against HPV (contracted sexually) in order to attend public school.  HPV can cause cervical cancer but there are 17 strains and the vaccine was effective against only two.  Not to mention that long term side effects were unknown.  Thankfully there was such a public uproar over this invasion of privacy and body that the legislature overturned the order.   The manufacturer Pfizer is on a campaign to have the whole nation of preteen girls immunized and stands to make billions.

So bottom line is I would consider very carefully the risk/benefit and if you choose to have them try to do one or two at a time so the baby's system doesn't get overwhelmed.  And you don't have to be vaccinated to attend public school.  All you need is a letter from the doctor saying that it would be detrimental to that individual's health.

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You just do not understand the whole concept of immunization. If all of us felt this way that you do years ago we would have not received the smallpox vacine and it woud still be around today. The fact is it was pretty much eradicated in the US due to imunization. It's not about immunizing the baby. It's about the adolesent (adolescent) that was immunized as a baby will now be protected against this terrible disease. I promise you it is a terrible disease. The physicans and nurses only get upset when you do not immunize because they feel it is a risk the children need not have. Your little bit of money you pay them for a shot in the grand scheme of things is very small. I was just looking for information on side effects and stumbled on this site. I hope that this is just a small group of people that beleive this way. The bad diseases need to be abolished.
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Ridiculous.  Merck pharmaceutical is pushing this Hep-B vaccine in neo-natal wards and that's why we hear about it so much.  It's big Pharma, plain and simple. Remember just a few months ago when it was almost mandatory that all little girls be vaccinated for HPV?  Guess what? Merck lobbied hard for mandatory vaccinations since it was their vaccine that was being offered.  Public outcry finally put a stop to this fiasco.  I would hope public outcry would do the same for the Hep-B vaccine.  

Look, if we use the hovering parent model, we should vaccinate a child for every possible disease.  Typhoid vaccine just in case they get around some bad water?  How about yellow fever vaccine in case one day they might go to Africa.  And oh, let's start them on anti-malarials right now because you just never know about these mosquitos now days.

If the mother has Hepatitis or if there is a documented specific risk of contracting Hepatitis, then fine, take the shot.  Otherwise, leave your kids alone to develop the strong natural immunity that nature bestowed on them.  



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when you get hbv when a baby the immune system cannot fight the virus and you have almost 90-100% probability of cronic (chronic) hepatitis B
when adult you have 5-10% probability of cronic (chronic) hepatitis B so maybe only adults can be so risky and not make a vaccine

this is why i would vaccinate my children, plus hepatitis B can Be deadly (cirrhosis, liver cancer and on a small percentage you dye in about 2-3 weeks, i don't know the name in english i think acute liver failure) and all medicines are not allowed on babies, so just make your choice...

hbv is more than 100% times more contagious than hiv, plus if you want to kill it you need about 2-3 hours boiling water at 100°.when hbvdna is very high you find the virus even in the saliva.

if i was vaccinated when a baby my liver was not cirrotic now...and i would have very low risk for liver cancer

try to study the virus and hepatitis B and after make your choice about what is more risky between the potential deadly virus and the almost free sides vaccine and also check the spread of it before the vaccine..in family we all have it (aunts and cousins as well) and my house street 90% of people my age or older has got it...todays after vaccine against hbv is mandatory nobody
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forgot to say my mother has already had liver transplant, 3 parents have died from it several years ago, i have cronic (chronic) hbv and corrhosis my sister cronic (chronic) hepatitis B, only my father cleared the virus
i think vaccine would have all saved us from hepatitis....
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My wife just tested positive for Hepatitis B.  She must have got it in the last 2 years, because she was tested when she had our first kid. She is currently pregnant with our second kid and I'm researching what Hep B is all about. Currently we all need to get tested to see if we all have it.  Likely she just recently got it while we were on vacation in Dominican. If an infant under 5 gets it, they are 90 percent likely to have chronic symptoms for the rest of their lives. And 38 percent of infants will get it from their mothers before they are 5 years old, if their mother has it and they are not vaccinated.

So I am kinda freaking out that my 2 year old has already gotten it, and that unborn one will get it. 10 percent of infants born to HepB mothers catch it, IF the babies are vaccinated as soon as they are born. As an adult the virus isn't that scary - but to kids it's pretty deadly.
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they are 90 percent likely to have chronic symptoms for the rest of their lives.

98% chances to get cronic (chronic) without vaccine at birth and until adults, this is the way hbv persists in the world because adults clear it 98% times

even with vaccine there is a risk of 5-10% cronic (chronic) infection

your wife must be hbeag neg (hbeag can infect thru placenta) and hbvdna und naturally by her immune system or if immune system can t by antiviral tenofovir, this way the babay can be saved from hbv close to 100%

Likely she just recently got it while we were on vacation in Dominican.
no hbv is transmitted by sex or blood, unlickly.healthcare settings and dentists can be an easy way to get it in US too
she is probably infected from birth if you find other infected or that cleared in your family

so just make sure your wife take antivirals and baby gets vaccine and immune globulins at birth

as for hbv don t worry that's kind of benign illness if you know you have it and monitor if any liver damage happens and only in case there is liver damage you lower replication by antivirals
hbv in babies is usually not dangerous without any damge to them, they are used by virus as a mean of transimmiting infetion by immune tollerance with very high hbvdna, in this phase there is no damage to the liver because there is no immune reaction at all.when they get adults and start fighting infection liver damage happens and a treatment might be necessary

hbv is not a deadly disease, only if not monitor it can make other deadly diseases like cirrhosis and liver cancer but this happens late in the life not as young
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Well  my wife didn't get it from birth, because when she had our first kid 2 years ago, they tested her and she didn't. She was vaccinated against it 7 years ago....  So I don't know whats going on. Maybe the first test didn't show it - or the second test is a mistake?  I cant believe she had an affair or did drugs - we just arent in that lifestyle.  But me and my daughter went to get tested and are waiting for the results. I'm not too worried about me getting it - it seems manageable for adults.  It seems to me that the person most at risk is our 2 year old.
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getting infected after vaccine is very very unlikely, a recent study also showed that vaccine is still protective even if antibody goes lower than 10miu/ml.

did they check if she responded to vaccine 7 years ago by hbsab test?about 10% don t respond to vaccine so a blood test for hbsab must be made

the only occasion i saw losing antibodies for hbv was if an hcv infection occurs or maybe transmission of hbv+hdv coinfection.
did they check all other viruses C,D,E?

i think that helthcare settings are the most probable way but also a cut with infected objects can

there is also another very rare possibility but this is too rare, getting infection by an immune escape hbv mutant.these are very rare and develop on rare genotypes naturally (E or G) or on those treated in 2000-2005 with very weak drugs like lamivudine or adefovir which make many hbv mutants and even these hbsag immune escape

check all the tests and post them if you like, also be sure you are seeing an expert liver specialist not a normal doctor
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Thanks for all your info again Stefano.  The lab results came back from our blood tests today (I cant believe how fast that was). Good news! Me and my daughter have not gotten the virus, also neither of us is immune - so we are going tomorrow to get the shots. And it's free (Canada).

So now we need to vaccinate the unborn one as soon as he/she is born and with any luck, it will just be my wife with it, which should be manageable.

I don't think there as any follow up test for my wife when she got vaccinated with twinrix, so maybe it didn't take?  Still - I'm so curious how she got it. In 2008, the overall reported rate of acute hepatitis B infection in Canada was less than one per 100,000 people living in Canada. So she would have had to try really hard to get it here I think...   But anyway, I think we good for now.
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I don't think there as any follow up test for my wife when she got vaccinated with twinrix, so maybe it didn't take?

in that case she might have it already, if she is hbeag neg it is difficult she can trasmit the virus since hbvdna can be und for long periods and flactuate
just make sure that she is hbeag neg and hbvdna undetactable for delivery because vaccine fails easily if hbeag is positive and high hbvdna (during pregnancy there is also activation of virus usually), in that case she just need to take tenofovir to make hbvdna und and hbeag neg
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We've been referred to a doctor who specializes in deliveries with communicable diseases. I'll try to remember to post back here after the delivery.
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I got some awesome news last week!  We went to the Center for Disease Control, and talked to the specialist there, and he said the test results were bizarre, so re-did the blood  test, and my wife does NOT have Hep B, and never did!   What a relief!   He seemed to say that although it was very rare to see a bad test - that there were "huge implications" and the testing process would have to change.  Imagine if I had freaked out and seperated from my wife or something...   Thanks for all the help. Good luck!
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I have a very seriously ill son that is now 17 years old.  He has an IGE level of 27,000.  Now, if you are a Dr. you understand that is nuts.  He is being treated with T-cells now and it is helping a little.  We have struggled since his "Birth".  He is one of 5 children in NY state to be documented as "born with allergies".  However after constant research, was he "born with allergies"?  I think his immune system was compromised when he was given his first Hep B inoculation in the hospital without our permission.  

To blindly not realize that this inoculation COULD have caused this issue, is not looking at all the options.  I personally feel that it did and now my son will deal with this for the rest of his life.  I also feel blessed that he did not suffer brain damage or autism, but he will suffer chronic allergies and asthma for the rest of his life.  

Our children are were/are used as controlled lab rats in the herd manipulation.  http://thinktwice.com/hepB_sho.htm
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babies gets cronic (chronic) hbv in more than 90% case...choose ur disease...hbv is not tretable and can make liver cancer

as allergies try gcmaf o repair immune system and keep vit d25oh>50ng/ml



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http://drbradstreet.org/

info for immune therapies, gcmaf, stem cells and so on.
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I am interested in this can I ask how your baby got infected??
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