Red wine linked to healthier liver tissue

I know this will start a flame thread but I just want to point out the research. Noone will change their minds on the issue so don't attempt it.

"In addition to increasing survival, the compound reduced the negative effects of being obese so the mice treated with resveratrol lived as long as the lean mice.

They had healthier heart and liver tissue, decreased blood sugar levels, better insulin sensitivity and were more active than the other rodents."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-11-01T182616Z_01_L01468622_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCIENCE-MICE.xml&src=110106_2140_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters

[copyman]

when they can come up with a pill form of resveratrol count me in for a script. until then i will pass. this red wine thing has been going on for many years with different health benefits. lol, all i can picture is going to my hep doc and he un-corks a btl of red wine and we sip it while i ask him questions. all along telling me it is like medicine. hehe

[sfbaygirl]

I heard this on the news tonight too. This may be well and good for people who don't have Hep C or advanced fibrosis. This info should definately come with a disclaimer. I bet lots of folks are going to think they should run out and drink a bunch of red wine when there livers are already damaged.

[susan400]

Telling people who are problem drinkers or who are addicted to their cocktail/beer/wine thing, that they will be helped by wine, is risky.  People who are cirrhotic who go out and start drinking red wine are just going to get worse liver damage.  I took this news flash to be aimed mostly at people with fatty livers, the obese with Type II diabetes, etc.  NOT at people who have ongoing liver damage from Hep C.  That's my opinion and I know that some others WILL disagree with me.  But, it's mine and I'm sticking to it!

Susan

[jboyhk]

Not necessarily.

If it were true then grape juice would be just as beneficial and most studies just don't show that.

There is some interaction between the alcohol. Just like studies have shown that vodka cranberry has more benefits than plain cranberry.

[jboyhk]

For example this study shows that the alcohol in wine has greater benefits than non-alcoholic wine.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/132/6/1207


"These data suggest that ethanol is a complementary component of phenolics in the benefits of red wine for hamsters and that chronic ingestion of PE in ethanol prevents the development of atherosclerosis through several mechanisms. With moderate consumption of red wine, ethanol can improve the effects of phenolic compounds. However, alcohol-free red wine appears to be a very good alternative to red wine."

[Forseegood]

i saw this too, they are working synthesizing the pill for this, i'm sure everyone realizes it's not the alcohol in the red wine that is benefitial, it's this element...

[painterlady13]

ccording to GMA this morning and "the rest of the story" a 150 lb person would have to drink 1500 bottles of red wine to be the equivilant of what the mice had....  Don't think that even if I didn't have HCV, I would want to be drinking anywhere near that much alcohol.

[Forseegood]

well, even following your logic, that it's the fermentation process that helps bring about this chemical in this particular element, the alcohol alone in this is still not "benefitial" to people with liver problems...it has to do with the molecular structure of alcohol to begin with...yeah, and I agree with GrandOak, this is not to start an alcohol thread again, I'd rather slowly pull out my toenails...

[sfbaygirl]

I certainly don't want to get into any political disscussions with you! I only like the ones where everyone agrees with me! LOL

[GrandOak]

Well, I agree with you there.  If everyone would just agree with me the world would be nicer place to live <G>.

[sfbaygirl]

Well, I see it the other way...LOL

[GrandOak]

As your quote shows, the study did not use red wine but resveratrol and it is geared more towards diabetics and does not consider the impact upon persons suffering from liver diseases.  The latter something most of us need to take away from this before seeing it as a green light to start sipping the vino.


BTW, anyone want to start threads on smoking, religion, and given that this is an election year, politics to see if we can cover ALL the bases on hotbeds in order to find out if one of them provides the bait to stir the group up?  Seems we've already covered the drinking and pot topics.

[4est]

good or bad ?

dose anybody know about more recent study on this issue ?
I've read couple of contradictory things, some (most of them) say alcohol is forbidden in HBV, some say that one - two gals of wine (especial read wine) per week is save and can be beneficial.
One doctor say that in case of inactive patients one / two glas of vine or beer per week can be OK (liver will not have any harm on this), but this is not recommended because more then this amount can be dangerous, even for people without any infection

how safe or not safe is ?

[stef2011]

that's all rubbish, reservatrol from grape is the healthy good part but wine which has reservatrol mixed with alcool is poison

reservatrol is in fibroguard and in grapejuice

[4est]

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-09-alcohol-impairs-body-ability-viral.html

alcohol and inf - it look like the alcohol inhibit the inf production.