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Stef and everyone else what do you think please
http://ganosecrets.com/research/liver-disorders/ganoderma-in-hepatitis-b/
this a question for u vetB I have been HepB +ve for 8years now.my hbv dna has progressed from 700 to 9500.ast 26iu/l alt17 alp62 ggt24 HbeAg -ve HBsAb -ve HBeAb +ve HBcAb +ve yet doctors here say i can not start treatment. pls help me.boloni80
Waschool I wish you luck.
Vet B sounds like an interesting combo you are using.
I'm taking that herb at present seems ok but that will change for me next month probably.
CastleCrag lives in LA LA land and thrives on being generally rude and nasty to anyone who is searching for answers outside of the spectrum that he only wants to think within. Plus he seems to want to defend any big organizations that accumulate wealth from our type of suffering. I suspect he's somme type of internet mole
Vet B sounds like an interesting combo you are using.
I'm taking that herb at present seems ok but that will change for me next month probably.
CastleCrag lives in LA LA land and thrives on being generally rude and nasty to anyone who is searching for answers outside of the spectrum that he only wants to think within. Plus he seems to want to defend any big organizations that accumulate wealth from our type of suffering. I suspect he's somme type of internet mole
thanks, I am on my way for hbsag test result, wish the best for myself and all those in this forum, until I am back, bye for now.
AS for real cures that exist that available today. Interferon is still the best bet 20-50% chance in 6 months to.1 year.
Replicor and gene therapy that are 100% cure is not being rapidly put into practice. Because of high treatment costs and big pharma business revolving around cheap to.produce maintenance drugs rather then disease cures. If medicine is industry then what more do you want folks other then ETV or TDF.
It ***** to be a patient living a miserable life knowing that there are real treatments out there that are not approved yet do to some ridiculous process.
Replicor and gene therapy that are 100% cure is not being rapidly put into practice. Because of high treatment costs and big pharma business revolving around cheap to.produce maintenance drugs rather then disease cures. If medicine is industry then what more do you want folks other then ETV or TDF.
It ***** to be a patient living a miserable life knowing that there are real treatments out there that are not approved yet do to some ridiculous process.
Well there is a lot of research out there that shows is does have benefits in strengthening immune system and fighting cancer.
Good articles are avaiable that reishi and mayetake mushrooms have some benefit. There are not many formal studies done just like with vitamin d3 . Which does help us.
So lets not be so judgemental folks.
As for real cure well there is Replicor plus pegasys. And what is being dobe about that? Nothing. They stil continue to write ETV and TDF prescriptions. Medications that are highly highly toxic and have a success rate of 1% per year. And which long term safety affects are just unknown. But matochindrial toxicity just cannot make the body stronger and able to fight off an infection if the body is toxic and weakened as the result. Never the less these drugs approved and sold to treat HIV and HBV and Herpes just on the bases that they lower viral loads.
Yet if Chanca Piedra and Reishi do lower viral loads in a number of people and published research seems to prove that it does. Official main stream medicine is ignoring all this. Mainly doctors that are supposed to do research.
Good articles are avaiable that reishi and mayetake mushrooms have some benefit. There are not many formal studies done just like with vitamin d3 . Which does help us.
So lets not be so judgemental folks.
As for real cure well there is Replicor plus pegasys. And what is being dobe about that? Nothing. They stil continue to write ETV and TDF prescriptions. Medications that are highly highly toxic and have a success rate of 1% per year. And which long term safety affects are just unknown. But matochindrial toxicity just cannot make the body stronger and able to fight off an infection if the body is toxic and weakened as the result. Never the less these drugs approved and sold to treat HIV and HBV and Herpes just on the bases that they lower viral loads.
Yet if Chanca Piedra and Reishi do lower viral loads in a number of people and published research seems to prove that it does. Official main stream medicine is ignoring all this. Mainly doctors that are supposed to do research.
The same link was posted by someone called Randle Handle on the HBV Facebook page on June 11 at 9:11am.
"Admin what do you think?
http://ganosecrets.com/research/liver-disorders/ganoderma-in-hepatitis-b/"
Belows are my and Randle Handle's responses:
Stephen Castlecrag:
This article is not credible. It is about the Ling Zhi mushroom, first published in 2002, and now appeared in the personal website of an alternate medicine practitioner:
International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms
DOI: 10.1615/IntJMedMushr.v4.i4.50
A Phase I/II Study of a Ganoderma lucidum (Curt.: Fr.) P. Karst. (Ling Zhi, Reishi Mushroom) Extract in Patients with Chronic Hepatitis В
Ling Zhi mushroom extract was heavily marketed by a group of businessmen in Asia over 20 years ago, through the use of media personalities and word of mouth. It claimed to be a cure for all ailments, starting from cancer to hepatitis to wellness to baldness. The product was very expensive, despite the low cost of production. With the big fortune made, there were many paid research and studies, with articles published in unrefereed journals, such as above. The FDA rejected an application to import Ling Zhi supplement into the USA as a health supplement several years ago, it found the product to contain mainly of ash.
Unscientific articles have no place here.
June 11 at 8:45pm ·
Randall Handle:
To start with the question was for the Admin Stpehen! Its does say they say they had phase 1 & 2 trials thats why I thought I would share it and let people read it for themself and decide. In grand scheme of things mushrooms aren't going going to do your liver any harm unless they are the dangerous kind! Stephen do you have an answer to my other question that I did ask you before?
June 11 at 9:35pm
Stephen Castlecrag:
I read it, I checked and I discovered it is a misleading article. So I inform the readers what I know. Yes, some mushrooms are cheap and edible, but this Ling Zhi extract is expensive and useless. If readers take this extract instead of FDA approved medication, they will not only be out of pocket, but they may also become more sick.
June 11 at 10:53pm
Randall Handle:
Well lets put it this way Its god that we high light this stuff here because this is one of the first places people look when they first find out. I personally won't be going out to buy that stuff. However I do enjoy eating mushrooms but I won't be paying ridiculous prices for them nor think they will eradicate hep b but they are liver friendly food that contains vit d. Also Stehen you still haven't answered my question that I asked you about the 2million oozzi dollars?
16 hours ago
Randall Handle:
Also why are these extracts so expensive?
16 hours ago
Stephen Castlecrag:
For the benefit of readers, fake medicine usually charged a high price so that more people are fooled into believing that it is a "miracle" cure.
6 hours ago
Randall Handle:
Stephen do you have links with research to support what your saying for benefit of the readers. Also you still haven't answered my other question!
5 hours ago
Stephen Castlecrag :
This FB belongs to HBF. It is not a private chatting place. Have respect for HBF and its readers.
4 hours ago
Randall Handle:
What are you going on about now? You come out with these statements and damning analysis making accusations of being "misleading" on information I requested the admin to comment on and when its requested that you provide some of your research to support what your saying as so vocal just wriggle out of it. As for respect I give everyone the same level respect until their actions determine otherwise. Stephen you have just demonstrated how unbalanced and bitter you really are!
I posted these responses to question the motives of person(s) like "Randle Handle"/"makeadifferencenow" in using HBV forums for his(their) dubious purpose. Why post a link to a misleading article, then ask readers for comments, then ask readers to provide "research" to support their comments? If makeadifference/Randle Handle stands by the content of the article, I am happy to provide my "research" to support my comment. I fully standby all my comments.
"Admin what do you think?
http://ganosecrets.com/research/liver-disorders/ganoderma-in-hepatitis-b/"
Belows are my and Randle Handle's responses:
Stephen Castlecrag:
This article is not credible. It is about the Ling Zhi mushroom, first published in 2002, and now appeared in the personal website of an alternate medicine practitioner:
International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms
DOI: 10.1615/IntJMedMushr.v4.i4.50
A Phase I/II Study of a Ganoderma lucidum (Curt.: Fr.) P. Karst. (Ling Zhi, Reishi Mushroom) Extract in Patients with Chronic Hepatitis В
Ling Zhi mushroom extract was heavily marketed by a group of businessmen in Asia over 20 years ago, through the use of media personalities and word of mouth. It claimed to be a cure for all ailments, starting from cancer to hepatitis to wellness to baldness. The product was very expensive, despite the low cost of production. With the big fortune made, there were many paid research and studies, with articles published in unrefereed journals, such as above. The FDA rejected an application to import Ling Zhi supplement into the USA as a health supplement several years ago, it found the product to contain mainly of ash.
Unscientific articles have no place here.
June 11 at 8:45pm ·
Randall Handle:
To start with the question was for the Admin Stpehen! Its does say they say they had phase 1 & 2 trials thats why I thought I would share it and let people read it for themself and decide. In grand scheme of things mushrooms aren't going going to do your liver any harm unless they are the dangerous kind! Stephen do you have an answer to my other question that I did ask you before?
June 11 at 9:35pm
Stephen Castlecrag:
I read it, I checked and I discovered it is a misleading article. So I inform the readers what I know. Yes, some mushrooms are cheap and edible, but this Ling Zhi extract is expensive and useless. If readers take this extract instead of FDA approved medication, they will not only be out of pocket, but they may also become more sick.
June 11 at 10:53pm
Randall Handle:
Well lets put it this way Its god that we high light this stuff here because this is one of the first places people look when they first find out. I personally won't be going out to buy that stuff. However I do enjoy eating mushrooms but I won't be paying ridiculous prices for them nor think they will eradicate hep b but they are liver friendly food that contains vit d. Also Stehen you still haven't answered my question that I asked you about the 2million oozzi dollars?
16 hours ago
Randall Handle:
Also why are these extracts so expensive?
16 hours ago
Stephen Castlecrag:
For the benefit of readers, fake medicine usually charged a high price so that more people are fooled into believing that it is a "miracle" cure.
6 hours ago
Randall Handle:
Stephen do you have links with research to support what your saying for benefit of the readers. Also you still haven't answered my other question!
5 hours ago
Stephen Castlecrag :
This FB belongs to HBF. It is not a private chatting place. Have respect for HBF and its readers.
4 hours ago
Randall Handle:
What are you going on about now? You come out with these statements and damning analysis making accusations of being "misleading" on information I requested the admin to comment on and when its requested that you provide some of your research to support what your saying as so vocal just wriggle out of it. As for respect I give everyone the same level respect until their actions determine otherwise. Stephen you have just demonstrated how unbalanced and bitter you really are!
I posted these responses to question the motives of person(s) like "Randle Handle"/"makeadifferencenow" in using HBV forums for his(their) dubious purpose. Why post a link to a misleading article, then ask readers for comments, then ask readers to provide "research" to support their comments? If makeadifference/Randle Handle stands by the content of the article, I am happy to provide my "research" to support my comment. I fully standby all my comments.
Thanks for the input guys.
I just stumbled across it and didn't notice any forum type stuff at the bottom of it.
But never leave any stone un-turned I guess!
I just stumbled across it and didn't notice any forum type stuff at the bottom of it.
But never leave any stone un-turned I guess!
totally useless.
we need to look at the real cures we have available, there s no need to look at fantasy, this is like trying to bring attention away to the hbv cures we have available at the pharmacy and that any of us can buy
i would concentrate on where real treatments are working like peginterferon add-on and ways to improve response there by ezetimibe, alinia, vit d3
for example ezetimibe at dose around 700mg daily blocks hcv infection of the liver, at this dose we may get closer to myrcludex receptor blocking.
this is where we should look at, where to get these doses of ezetimibe (pills on the market have 10mg dose), checking its sides effects at these high doses and results on boosting peginterferon add on response
at least we do know for sure liver cells receptors are blocked by high dose ezetimibe
we need to look at the real cures we have available, there s no need to look at fantasy, this is like trying to bring attention away to the hbv cures we have available at the pharmacy and that any of us can buy
i would concentrate on where real treatments are working like peginterferon add-on and ways to improve response there by ezetimibe, alinia, vit d3
for example ezetimibe at dose around 700mg daily blocks hcv infection of the liver, at this dose we may get closer to myrcludex receptor blocking.
this is where we should look at, where to get these doses of ezetimibe (pills on the market have 10mg dose), checking its sides effects at these high doses and results on boosting peginterferon add on response
at least we do know for sure liver cells receptors are blocked by high dose ezetimibe
This article is rubbish!. It is about Ling Zhi mushroom and first published in an obscure journal in 2002. I have commented on Ling Zhi mushroom extract before, as far as I am concerned, it is a big con!
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I drink chanca piedra tea daily. I take 50000 vitamin d3 daily. 5 grams of liposomal vitamin c daily. Gluthation. Alpha lipoic acid. Transfer factors i take. VL is undetectable or barely detectable.
Of course i dont know what all this means and doctors I see say there is no real evidence ti what I am doing is right.
I also take 800 mg of milk thistle. It really feels good taking it.
p.s. still searching for a researcher in hbv to work with. And all I can say is thanks to the forums like this one for sharing the info. You folks have really helped me something the high dollar medical community could not do with the choices of medications they give us.