Using coke with HBV

[rolotomassi]

I have acute HBV - is it bad it if i do cocaine?  will i reduce my chance getting rid of HBV completely

[Kalio1]

You can't be serious. The answer is obviousl. YES, it can harm your health. Using cocaine, even in an otherwise perfectly healthy person is bad for your health. Come on, of course using cocaine is a bad idea with Hep B and of course it will worsen your health. You can pass it to other people besides.

Only dopes use dope.

[slowsouthernstyle]

hello miss kalio1 how are you doing.i like what you said about only dopes use dope.you are a true beauty.sending you some loven.slow

[slowsouthernstyle]

its me again miss kalio.i just read the stuff the one that calls himself jmjm wrote to you and i think he is nuts.he is not even on treatment anymore and hangs out in here constantly.get a job man.do something with your life instead of preaching to the people about how much you think you know.all you ever do is whine.i bet you drive your doctor crazy.maybe you need some loven, find a partner.anyone that picks on kalio gets it from slow.slow

[prettydamscared]

Hi,

I'm gonna apologize in advance for butting in here but I agree with  copyman. JIm contributes an incredible amount of knowledge and experience to this board and he does it efficiently.  Like it or not, he's right a lot.  He researchs his facts and presents them logically and unemotionally.  I find he stands his ground but debates with him don't necessarily have to become personal. It's kinda nice to be able to respectfully disagree with someone without it becoming personal.

I've got a lot of questions all the time & I want him around. Not only that, he's got a great sense of humor and seems like a nice guy so, I'm just saying,  can we all just get along?

[rolotomassi]

thanks to all who have responded.  your supoort is very much appreciated in my time of need.  there aren't too many people i can share this with...so finding this site is a godsend.  thank you.  i will stand strong...rolo

[dukeanddale]

your son sould be on  asking questions not you.
possibly could some here have given son disease with blood
you still come here

[copyman]

shame on you duke. nothing wrong with a mother helping her son. what you said is wrong. i will say a prayer for you.

[dukeanddale]

i am sorry

[strator]

Rolo
First, it’s always great to see someone with the courage to reach out for help. Doesn’t matter if it’s a little shaky or misunderstood, even when it seems bizarre because the answer seems so obvious and hey how could it be missed?
A few years ago a nurse walked up to me as I sat on a cot waiting to enter detox, already shaking, thinking of my then 11yr old son who had taken it upon himself to make the call that got me to a hospital. I was scared to the bone I wouldn’t make it. She said…"The medical director said we can’t take you, you’ve walked out of here twice before without finishing the detox " Looking at me in disbelief she said "I don’t understand HOW you can burn your bridges behind you and expect to get back in?".
me..."Lady, if my brain worked the way a normal person’s works…I probably wouldn’t be sitting in a johnny coat on a steel cot, beggin for help while my a** freezes."
They didn’t take me but she spent the whole night trying to find a bed at another detox for me.

Listen, as others said, find some help in your area, call a hotline or infoline. You came here to ask people with hep problems about hep problems. Find some people who have substance problems, that are doing something about it. There’s strength in numbers and experience. Be careful focusing or questioning that you may ‘slip’.  I use to call myself a chronic relapser. Then someone told me that saying that was my addictive mind  allowing me and others to expect me to F up. Just coincidentally I haven’t  F’d up since I stopped expecting myself to F up.

I look at it this way...there’s a fence between addiction and sobriety, both sides of the fence is a river. One day I started swimming away from the fence towards the sobriety side. Funny but I've noticed my swimming gets stronger each day as I get further from the fence. Yet from past experience I know that when swimming in the ‘other’ direction I always got more tired the further I got from the fence, and people laughed at me and called me names, or swam away from me. Maybe I just feel stronger now cause I've got friends to guide me and cheer rather than jeer me. Get yourself some swimmin buddies that know both sides of the fence. Sometimes I may feel like I’m still right on the fence..but I know where the good swimming is, and dive in that direction.
Get Well,
Don

[MissMiss]

Hello!  How are you?  Often wondered about you and how life was going for you.  I sure hope you have some energy back and things have stabled out for you.  Any post tx problems?  Best wishes for you and your son.

Melissa

[honey11]

Rolo,,,,I know its a hard struggle but one step at a time.  You can do this for your health.  Best Wishes!

Slow,,,Are you here for hep or for Kalio???  She seems like a big girl and never has a problem taking care of herself or is it you are just looking for love lol

[rolotomassi]

thank you for responding and i do understand that...let me rephrase...i have a substance abuse problem and doing coke is what got me in trouble in the 1st place.  I have been clean since diagnosed 1.5 months ago.  I am just worried that I might slip and if i do will i jeopordize my chances of recovery.  my friends are aware of my condition and i would not put them at risk by sharing a straw or anything that i am in contact with.  i know i am stupid and this question seems outrageous...i am scarred and just looking for a little help...or perhaps motivation to ensure i do not slip.

[Lady E]

I think the first step is to come to grips with what is more important to you...your priorities.  
Do you want to party and continue going down the bad road and risk getting sicker - Or do you want to live, and give your body the care it deserves right now?
Your liver is sick now and needs to be treated as such.
Continuing to do coke is like a complete contradiction to yourself. You are taking treatment to try to cure youself, and at the same time taxing your body with what got you there in the first place.
Do the math.
I'm sorry if I seem abrupt, not meant to be mean, just my opinion.
I hope you make the right decision.
Good luck
E

[Kalio1]

Thanks for rounding out the info. It makes a big difference from how your first post came across to me. My answer would be the same, any drug use will have a negative impact on your health and immune system and therefore a negative impact on Hep B.

I didnt mean to imply that YOU are "stupid" the addiction is stupid and drugs are stupid but YOU are not, your PROBLEM is stupid or whatever negative adjective you want to call it. You are actually very SMART, you have 1.5 months of sobriety already and that my friend shows how smart you are. That is a huge accomplishment.
Thinking you are "stupid" and thinking about "slipping up" are the very things that can feed your addiction so watch out for those thoughts. Don't let them talk you into using. Our minds are such twisty things and addiction winds it's way into your life with tricks like that, self put downs and self doubts.
You are doing great. You know the drill, one day at a time. one hour at a time and sometimes one minute at a time. Don't get ahead of yourself worrying about "maybe slipping up"
your sobriety doesn't allow that option. That's thinking about another day, and you have to stick with THIS day thinking.
I hope this doesn't sound like preaching, it is not intended that way in the least. I only hope you can be proud of yourself, and give yourself credit each day you make it through sober instead of feeling stupid about what happened yesterday or what could happen tomorrow. Right here, right, now be proud of where you are.

Please, before you use, go to a meeting or call someone who is encouraging your sobriety to remind you that that is not what you want to do and it is the addiction talking.


take care, keep in touch.

[copyman]

hey slow, slow it down. please mind your own business! jimjim is a welcome person here. he helps many here and other forums. let kalio fight their own battles if something was said by jimjim. i think it is very fortunate that jimjim is here helping others. i think the only ones that would be offended by jimjim are those that think they know more or perhaps want to be the "head" person here. i hope he dont go anywhere because i need his help with my tx coming up.

PS, dont get me wrong kalio helps many here as well. i respect what both of them post.

[nitramog]

its a hard strugal in life to make sher the light at the end of the tunnal is NOT A TRAIN   you have 15% to?  40%  chans with treatmont and your in this sitchuation becus gambling hasnt worked for you be fore!!!  stay strong aa and na helps alot of peaple

[GrandOak]

Find yourself a strong support group ASAP.  Secondly, you need to surround yourself with new friends.  Hanging with your old using friends is almost a certain guarantee of a relapse sooner or later.  Thirdly, if you have not already done so, you should be looking to enroll in a treatment program.  Often times abuse is but a symptom of underlying issues which you need to address.

A relapse by itself could very well bring death and cursing upon you, but while infected with Hepatitis you greatly decrease your odds of ever clearing the disease and of increasing the damage to your health.

[cuteus]

hey slow! I guess you don't like folks that talk back to abbas either! and here I thought I was the only one in need of loven! ha!

[ladybug52]

You really know how to write so that people will 'listen'. You are so awesome. I love your metaphors. Do you read a lot? You should take a creative writing class and then write for a living. Your stories are very personal and interesting.
You are very supportive of those of us who have battled with addictions. I'm reading a book titled "How to stop drinking without A.A." It's really helping me.
Felt like I took a pretty big step getting up the courage to buy the book at Borders. Take care.

[amirtracy]

geez. rolo ignore the bickerings. this forum IS support based believe it or not.

doing coke or anything the dr. doesn't know about while you're treating is a bad idea. noone knows but it might affect the outcome. you don't need a lecture about the dangers of drugs. you just have to do the best you can and sometimes that's enough.
best of luck to you,
tracy

[amirtracy]

hiya don. good to hear ya as always. hope you're doing well...tracy

[strator]

Thanks all, for askin how I am and all. Things are going pretty good except for this week battling bronchitis. The usual battle w/itch and sleep continues also but is gettin manageable.
Tell ya what though I feel so good otherwise if I can get those battles out of the way I'll be in better shape than long before tx. Energy's been great til the bronchitis.
Had a big family get together at my sis's today celebrating my son's confirmation. Was really nice to have everyone together without the holiday crunch.
Really enjoyed seeing my daughter and grandkids. it's nice to be off tx and look forward to things like that on a weekend without havin to wonder what I'll feel like that day. Corse things like headcolds and bronchitis still happen but it's so much easier to see them as temporary.
Hope you are all well, let me know how you're feeling.

(Ladybug- hang in there, you have a great attitude.)

Be well,
Don

[Pauly Boy]

I've had HBV twice and the second time I contracted it my doc said; " This is your last bite on the apple, Paul. Get this again and you will die". The reason I got HBV and probably HCV is due to my drug addiction. It'll kill ya'!! Stop ya' from breathing!!! HBV is different than HCV, especially in the way it effects you. When I had HBV I was so sick that I couldn't get out of bed for weeks. The first time I had it it took 5 weeks for me to recover from active HBV. The second time I got it I had to go into the hospital; took me about 3-4 months to start recovering from it. I am fortunate, I've cleared the HBV without tx. Well, many years and tears later I cleaned up and in retrospect, the most important issue that I've ever dealt with in my life has been my addiction, I would not be writing this if I hadn't of taken care of that before anything else. To do a drug like cocaine while you have active HBV, is suicide, I know, I've done it... How are you feeling right now, any symptoms, jaundice or yellowing anywhere, darkening of the urine? With HCV you don't necessarily get those types of symptoms with HBV you usually do show acute signs of an illness.
You're fortunate, you've admitted you have a problem, now you got to get a way to treat the addiction. I do it with AA & NA. I've tried everything: psychiatrists, psychologists, hypnotists ,acupunture, conselours, shamins, voodoo, women, money, along with all of the other forms of self-medication that I could find that made my feelings go away!!! When I was ready I went and asked people who have been successful at beating the disease: alcoholics and addicts. The best think was it didn't cost a thing. It's free!!! Please keep in touch, let me know how you are doing...     Pauly

[mauilady]

Ya gotta find new friends... and when you feel you need an uplift, go enjoy a nice cup of the darkest roasted coffee you can find!!  Yummmm~

[mauilady]

I absolutely LOVE your last paragraph; so much so that I'm saving it.  I'm attempting sobriety w/out AA; once I get over the daily "beer or wine thirty" hump, I'm OK, in fact, terrific.  But sometimes it's a big struggle.  But, I'm doing it, and my husband is very supportive, even though he is a drinker.  I look forward to waking up each morning without a hangover!

[ladybug52]

I've been wondering about you. Last post I read you were not going to treat. Has anything changed?  I know exactly what you mean about beer or wine thirty.  It's that habitual time of day when I start supper and have a drink to relax.  My drinking is all about habit. Good luck as you change your habits. I'm trying to also.

[sybil22]

Yikes! My stomach is actually in knots while reading your post.  Thinking to myself..."If I would have known then, what I know now"  Had a major coke habit many years ago.  I also had acute HepB, perhaps HepC, as I have HCV and antibodies for HBV.  I often look back and try to figure out how I came to be drug free.  Wasn't easy that's for sure.  In and out of detox hospitals, my ex and I.  Finally made the decision one day that I REALLY wanted to live.  Couldn't live with the ex...he didn't want life as much as I did.  We were poison to each other, each dragging the other down.  You gotta cut the partiers loose...gotta do it. Each day that you are away from it, the easier it gets.  One day you'll look back and wonder how you did it, but it can be done.  My former husband, Ray, wouldn't stop his partying.  He was diagnosed with HCV.  Continued to do his drugging and drinking, according to him....was only on weekends.  When I asked him why..he said "I have to LIVE my life"  He moved down to FL and ended up in the FL State Prison...possession of cocaine.  Did three years there, got out and our youngest daughter made a trip down to visit him two weeks after his release.  She called me up from FL hysterically crying "I think Daddy is dying".  He was. Had HepC and HepB. The family took him to the hospital and they flew him by helicopter to Tampa General, where he died 2 days later.....bled to death, age 53...End Stage Liver Disease.  Those are the facts. A harsh reality, but a reality it is.  Good luck with the decisions you make.

[headsrtails]

I can oly speak for myself: but jmjm has helped to lighten my load by offering his experience with the whole ball of wax. I think if he wants to stick around that is up to him, but you shouldn't judge his intentions as being anything but altruistic. To imply that he doesn't ahve life or that he needs some "loven," is callous to say the least, and myopic at best.