my sister just got tests results and the patern of hbvdna, alt looks inversely correlated with vitd 25oh>80ng/ml, this can be confirmed by time, she now has for the first time alt 40, hbvdna stable at around 200.000iu/ml, no liver damage 4.5kpa, hbsag around 18.000iu/ml
probably vitamin d is able to protect liver despite hbvdna detactable keeping alt 40, she will be checking fibroscan and hbsag next month
she has normal calcium as usual and creatinine and check every 3 months with vit d.she has daily vit d3 5000-8000iu
she is not on antiviral therapy because liver has no damage at all so antivirals are useless.
initaly we have fibroscans everywhere so therapy is started only if here is liver damage, hbvdna is meaningless if there is no liver damage
me and my sister are keeping it, i dont know if she agrees to put all that online but i can post single results
in any case she is feeling defenitely better than when vit d deficent with no colds, flu and so on
Happy to hear the good news about your sister.
I have just tested vit D3 level and hbvdna and HbsAg quantative this morning.
Vit D3 and hbvdna results will be ready on Monday and Hbsag quantity will be ready only two weeks later. I'll post it when I have them.
i was checking vitamindwiki.com for studies on vitamin d and found that vitamin d increases hdl, i found a link to this trial too and it looks it is possible to get hdl to 80mg/dl or higher.
we do know hdl is antiviral on hbv from a study presented at easl 2010 or 2011, high hdl like 80mg/dl makes also heart diseases/strokes/diabetes to zero and also centenarios are all found to have hdl>80mg/dl
then i check my sister's and mine hdl and using vitamin d we both went from:
my baseline hdl before vit d was 43mg/dl, which is lower than normal and linked to fatty liver, metabolic syndrom and so on
my hdl got 65mg/dl after getting vitamin d higher than 50ng/ml.i am also on omega 3 but never reduced wheat or limited carbohydrate consumption
my sister was around 50mg/dl and now at hdl 75mg/dl
she is just on vit d, but not reduced carbohydrate consumption and not on omega 3
Posted on November 14, 2011 by Dr. William Davis
More and more people in my clinic are showing HDL cholesterol values of 80 mg/dl or higher, males included.
Think about it: Nationwide, average HDL for males is 42 mg/dl and for females 52 mg/dl. Even though these average values are generally regarded as favorable, HDL cholesterol values at these levels are nearly always associated with higher levels of triglycerides, postprandial (after-eating) lipoprotein abnormalities, and excessive quantities of small LDL particles.
HDL particles are, of course, protective and are powerfully anti-oxidative. Higher levels of HDL have been associated with reduced potential for cancer, as well as reduced risk for heart disease.
Following the simple regimen that we follow to gain control over coronary plaque has therefore increased levels of HDL to heights that are uncommon in the rest of the population, levels that readily top 80, 90, or 100 mg/dl. That regimen includes:
1) Elimination of all wheat–Yes, consumption of “healthy whole grains” sets you up to have lower HDL levels; elimination of wheat increases HDL.
2) Limited carbohydrate consumption–While eliminating wheat is a powerful nutritional strategy to increase HDL, non-wheat carbohydrates like quinoa, millet, beans, rice, and fruit can still cause high triglycerides that lead to reduced levels of HDL. Limited exposure helps keep HDL at higher levels.
3) Omega-3 fatty acid supplementation–Because omega-3 fatty acids reduce both triglycerides and blunt the postprandial rise in lipoproteins that can cause HDL degradation, HDL rises with omega-3s from fish oil.
4) Vitamin D supplementation–The effect is slow, but it is BIG. HDL just goes up and up and up over about 2 years of supplementation. Before vitamin D, HDL levels of 60 mg/dl were the best I could hope for in most people. Now 80 mg/dl is an everyday occurrence.
Other factors can also be used to increase HDL levels, such as weight loss, red wine and alcohol, exercise, cocoa flavonoids, green tea, and niacin. But following the regimen above sends HDL through the roof in the majority.
that is true but all fish with high omega3 is beneficial, populations on fish diets like alaska or graceland have almost zero problems with heart but i believe vit d has the most part
i will try to check also my father hdl, he was around hdl 40 and glucose 125 with vit d 11ng/ml
with d3 85ng/ml glucose dropped to perfectly normal around 90, first time in years, now i will try to follow his hdl too, i remember he was around 55mg/dl already with d3 85ng/ml but i guess it got higher with time
my father is also on omega 3 and fibroguard
i do believe about danube fish but i think there is a lot of pollutants in those waters...if they check fish oil for pollutants and then filter it can be a very good product
i only take the filtered fish oil for omega3 because most fish has poluttants for sure
Stef has constantly been advising me to boost my d3 level to improve my HBSag and HBVdna level. Around 2 months back when i checked for d3 level it was only 6.8 ng/ml. So I took Calcirol (60,000 IU) - 1 /week and Shelcal-HD - 1 daily, I have also been taking Probiotic on and of. Now, after two months, my d3 level has come to 40.30 ng/ml with all the Liver Function tests normal (as shown above). I feel much better (though there is still some giddiness at times)
Now, as adivsed by stef I will stop Calcium and continue only with vit d3 and test for d3 level after 15-20 days. Meawhile I will be cheking my HBSag level to see the impact of improved vit d3 level.
Yes, I bought it localy. But no body understands vitd3 in India. I checked with many medical stores. But they always said that there are no vitd3 tablets or capsuls availble and it comes only with Calcium. Finally, I asked for Calcirol which is a very high dose suitable for weekly and monthly schedule only. Along with this weekly/montly dose , I had been taking shelcal-HD (calcium + Vitd3 500IU) daily as a maitainance dose.
Now, I have procured vitd3 through net and stopped Shelcal-HD following Stef's advice. However, I will continue with following schedule for next 6 months:
Calcirol (vit d3-60,000IU) - 1/month +
Vit d3 Capsules (2000-IU) - 1/day
Addtional 1000-IU per day I will manage with milk, egg and Sun. I have also been getting sunrays for 30-45 min everday during 12;00pm to 2:00pm
As far as I know, Vit d3 is insoulble in water. I have been taking Calcirol, which is in powdery form with a cup of milk . Vit d3 is soluble in milk.
- what i don't understand is the "opposite" opinion:
1. Mega-vitamin supplements, particularly if they contain vitamins A and D, may be harmful. Excess vitamin A is very toxic to the liver.
2. The Bottom Line: Vitamin D3 may have a significant impact on HCV and treatment for it.
or maybe is just about the quantity of D supplements.
on the other hand (regarding other vitamin) they say:
"Based on the conducted randomised clinical trials, convincing evidence that beta-carotene, vitamin A, vitamin C, and vitamin E or their combinations are beneficial for treatment of alcoholic, autoimmune, hepatitis B or hepatitis C virus liver diseases, or liver cirrhosis could not be found."
no vit d dose can dmaage liver until 20000iu daily with normal calcium, just look at trials on people with hbv or hcv or liver diaseases
there are tons of disinformation with no human trials or study to prove vitamin d can have any toxicity while we do have studies that show antiviral effect and protection of liver and regression of liver damage by vit d.so obviously it cannot be toxic but the contrary
the levels must be 60-100ng/ml with normal calcium
I agree that levels have to be >40 or 60 -100 ... but the questions is if is OK to go with 5000 UI and reach this levels in a short time or is OK to go with 2000 UI and reach this levels in a longer time. - I think this is the question - how is the best way to reach the levels fast and high UI or slow and low UI.
they are all wrong the dose cannot be established because we are all different, 5000iu dose may be used for healthy people with no infections/obesity only, all the others needs to measure vit d and calcium and increase or lower doses according to response.
once 70-90ng/ml are reached the dose can be slowly decreased to 7000iu and then 5000iu to see what can keep levels at that range.
for me only 10.000iu daily can reach 69ng/ml, for my sister 80ng/ml, at 5000iu we get lower than 50ng/ml.so it must be personalized to reach the correct levels.
that disinformation is going on since it was rejected patent to vit d because there are too many diseases prevented thus too many loss on drug industry
in this story they produced vit d2 which is not natural and was patented but this vit d2 has toxicity, sides effect, calcemina and can t rise vit d3 in serum.......
anyway only US institutes are continuatively reporting wrong values despite tons of studies and european institutes/researchers saying opposite, this makes think of corruption in US going beyond FDA only.....even OMS has been shown to be corrupted in the swine flu story because the same persons in the OMS saying it was pandemic were paid by flu drug makers.too bad the trials for corruption started in europe are so silent and we dont even know if those persons have been charged for what they did...
The data in this study suggests that supplementing with vitamin D to raise the concentrations in the general population to above 38 ng/ml could result in a significant health benefit by reducing the burden of illness from viral infections, at a minimum from viral infections of the respiratory tract in healthy adults living in temperate climates. Our findings may provide direction for and call for future interventional studies examining the efficacy of vitamin D supplementation in reducing the incidence and severity of specific viral infections, including influenza, in the general population and in specific subpopulations, such as pregnant women, dark skinned individuals, and the obese.
as I was google for HDL - HVB DNA relation (still not found EASL report) i was came across the flowing articles:
and even if they are not direct related to HBV, I think is good to be mentioned for people that use statin
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