Acupuncture for treatment/additional therapy

I really wanted to share that something that has helped with my mind during this, is acupuncture. My therapy workers constantly tell me I am better and healed and it helps my mind, if nothing else.I really feel differences from it.I get weekly treatments. They have treated all of my ailments. I will go probably for the rest of my life, because I enjoy it so much. It removes depression, loose stools anything.I didn't know I had "bad potties" before I started seeing them. I had diareah(spelling off) for two years before treatment.It immediately was after my morning coffee.I thought that it was just the coffee clearing everything out.I now have normal potties, my skin rashes healed, my acne healed(before treatment, my skin was porceline like-everyone commented on it, but I think my body reacted to the stress or toxicity). Anyway, a lot of people are reporting depression and nausea and this helped me trememdously. If not an alternative, certainly a booster, even if it is just to ease your mind. It is a 5000 yr old cure. I can feel the energy in some points move right away.It really is amazing. I hope this helps someone else.

[Mollyrae]

I'm glad this helped you. Thanks for the info.
Molly

[copyman]

glad it made you feel better but will NEVER cure hepatitis !

[copyman]

a823,

first lets get something straight, i will continue to correct someone when they come on these forums and post there are other cures for HCV when "proven" data has shown ONLY ONE, peginterferon & ribavirin. call it being like god or whatever, what i post are facts from data. Of course I will offer my "godly" opinion on occasion although most see it as devilish :-)

no one is trying to push you away from this forum and do offer support to many people that come here seeking help. But when someone posts that they will never do western medicine then this forum might not be the right forum. Most members of this forum have or are treating with western medicine and can help with that. It can be taken as personal when a newbie comes on and bashes this type of therapy.

I truly wish you well with whatever you decide to do.

[a823]

not just advocating other therapies but a lot of the symptoms that people get from the drugs can be helped with acupuncture
ex. impotence, nausea, depression etc.(not as a replacement, but as a booster so that maybe together with the western medicine it may boost their immune system
there are even points for boosting blood cells, neutrophils etc.) I wasn't so much as saying that acupuncture for everyone as a replacement but to help with what they are going through.

It encourages me and gives me hope and I can feel and see a difference.

[Rockerforlife]

Accupunture works ,even conventioal doctors are using it,but of course it wont kill the C virus,
Studies of the effect of acupuncture on the immune system
Human studies on the effect of acupuncture on the immune system of cancer patients showed that it improved immune system response.


Studies of the effect of acupuncture on pain
In clinical studies, acupuncture reduced the amount of pain in some cancer patients. In one study, most of the patients treated with acupuncture were able to stop taking drugs for pain relief or to take smaller doses. The findings from these studies are not considered strong, however, because of weaknesses in study design and size. Studies using strict scientific methods are needed to prove how acupuncture affects pain.


Studies of the effect of acupuncture on nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy
The strongest evidence of the effect of acupuncture has come from clinical trials on the use of acupuncture to relieve nausea and vomiting. Several types of clinical trials using different acupuncture methods showed acupuncture reduced nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, surgery, and morning sickness. It appears to be more effective in preventing vomiting than in reducing nausea.


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/acupuncture/Patient/page2

[Rockerforlife]

Is acupuncture approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use as a cancer treatment in the United States?
The FDA approved acupuncture needles for use by licensed practitioners in 1996. The FDA requires that sterile, nontoxic needles be used and that they be labeled for single use by qualified practitioners only.

More than 40 states and the District of Columbia have laws regulating acupuncture practice (see www.acufinder.com for an online database of licensed acupuncture providers). The National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (www.nccaom.org) certifies practitioners of acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). Most states require this certification.

[a823]

Awesome data presented.
I am in school for a subdivision of the medical field.(the monitoring)

I have had to do research papers, which I got a 100% on my Acupuncture research paper.

I too am finding the same studies from the research databases available from my college.
My facts are based on those findings too and others want to label it as a quack.

My acupuncturist has been a blood microbilolgist for 20 years,and then went on to her field. Then she went to Japan and even trained and treated for 9 years. I trust my guides.
I have had many things that it has helped.I had scar tissue in my right breast that it addressed, I had dark urine in the morning( and now it is clear or a lil yellow), I had bad bowel movements every morning, I had rashes from everything, I had stress, stress, stress.

My paper was on the findings that it helps with 60% higher chances of conceiving based on the lutel phases. I had a client speak at the Washington D.C. medical convention on fertility and she too spoke about how it is used.
But it isn't just used to boost fertility.I have one book written in 1529 by a Chinese acupuncturist. It was written in poetry and it had three lines per cure. There was jaundice even then. Any disease we have today has energy in it. Our bodies are an energetic field and the direct points have correlations based on that specific need. There are 12 main meridians. They vary from liver meridians to pericardium, and the lung. The research data showed that upon the entry of the needles. the path of the brain would start to show the energy in that area(under C.T. scan and M.R.I). For example, if a point was done to improve vision, then it would correlate and ignite in the vision cortex.
My eyes used to be ridiculously white. Now they are not as bright.
After treatment, they don't have this "tinge" to them so much. The color is much deeper, which it was before treatment too. I am seeing all kinds of results. I just hope someone else is able to feel some relief from it too.
That is only why I share. Good luck.

[Rockerforlife]

Cool,someone who thinks along my way about the energy fields of the body,most people dont realize us humans and animals  are basiclly cells with an electical charge.I believe in charging the body with negative ions which actually make the cells walls more efficent at improving metabolism ans removing waste from the cell and increasing the intake of nutrients...knowledge is power

welcome to the fourm a823

[Bali05]

i love anything that works and helps in dealing with this disease.

i did acupuncture once but i did not help. had abdominal pain

any advice , what is a minimum of sessions for any given ailment ?

[Claire_MHModerator]

Rocker and a823, the alternative health and any other off-topic stuff might be better suited to the "Living With Hepatitis C" Group (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Living-With-Hepatitis-C/show/681).  Another option might be for you to create a user group dedicated to alternative health treatments.  

[can-do-man]

THANK YOU!!!

[Bill1954]

Thank you as well....

[GSDgirl]

Thank You

Alternative therapies group
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Alternative-Therapies-/show/685?camp=msc

complimentary medicine
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Complementary-Medicine/show/86?camp=msc&personal_page_id=862047

[Claire_MHModerator]

Thanks, GSDgirl!

[Trish77]

Wow...Rocker's and a823's posts were really going off-topic and no longer related to Hep C so I get re-directing them ....  but cutting off talk of using supplements and alternatives in relation to Hep C?  What's that all about?  There are plenty of people on here who are using supplements of various kinds to manage their Hep C while doing the watch-and-wait approach to treatment or dealing with their Hep C after failed treatment or yet again, while ON treatment and managing different side effects.  I recall while on treatment and being denied neupogen, coming on here and asking for advice on what would bring up white counts and being advised on mushroom compounds.  There are also some who choose NOT to do treatment and would prefer to try and outlive their Hep C.  Are you saying that we shouldn't be discussing the use of alternatives and supplements in those scenarios on this forum and need to take it elsewhere?

[a823]

Thank you so much for creating that area!

Living with HCV doesn't mean we don't all have a voice or that we can't get off topic. I think I was just delighted to have someone with humor and a warm welcome to my presence. I was beginning to think I was truly an outsider. Sorry if some posts didn't seem relevant.I will stay on topic from now on. Maybe other factors for the disease can be looked at down the blood line in genetics, but that is another post. And I am shooting for 125 even with HCV, because I want the very best health, and hopefully some things out there on the market can help us living with HCV or cleared of it can benefit from it. Even if I didn't have that disease, I would strive for that.I will not surrender to anything trying to have power over me.Together and with some advice about what others have found that works for them through this may just help all of us unite and come together through this. I pray that all of us support each other, no matter what our individual paths may be.Thank you for anything that each of you is doing to help with symptoms. I am happy to find a place where I can get answers about all of the treatments and the different experiences.
Copyman:

Forgive me for having some humor. I see you like for everything to be ON topic. I will do my best in that degree. Happy reading and posting!

[a823]

Hi, I didn't see your post earlier.

I go once per week.3 years ago I went 2x a week for 5 weeks.
You go that much at first and then down to 1x every two weeks, and then finally down to once per season change.
I have now been going for 3 months at 1x per week. That is all I can afford. They also do a sliding scale with me, so I can come often.

I had a hard tension in my lower left side that it cleared also(not sure if it was a hernia or what).
I had a biopsy in 2007 from precancerous cells. I also had a cryosurgery during that duration of being treated with acupuncture.
10 days went by and then I had my check up. She said she had never seen anyones skin look like that inside.It was all healed beautifully.(and they had taken a chunk out of me the size of a bullet, no anesthesia.
I know that the acupuncture helped.
For your ailments, finding the right practioner means a lot too. See someone different this time.
They do moxa, fire cupping and other things, all at your Acupuncturist's office.
(google to understand terms)
They will take your pulses and if you have a strong pulse, your body is likely to heal with the treatment quicker.
Either way, you should atleast go in 1 time per week for a month, to see results.Good luck. Let us know what worked for you!

[a823]

It was the symptoms of the HCV that led me back to the acupuncture in December,and now I go routinely. That may be more helpful and relevent to all of you, as it was the lingering virus that ultimately moved me to helping my body in this way.

I will update later about what symptoms I was having, what it helped with so far and why I go regularly still.It is a lot of things, but I just don't have the time this morning. (there were many)

[copyman]

I guess you decided to stick around? yesterday you said you were leaving after bashing this forum. you will find that this forum has a wealth of information if you don't push your beliefs about supplements or accupuncure being a cure HCV.
Your earlier posts almost sounded like the members here owed you something. No one owes anyone anything on this forum but one thing it certain you will get the best information about living with / treating HCV.

you wrote:
Forgive me for having some humor. I see you like for everything to be ON topic. I will do my best in that degree. Happy reading and posting!

I'm all for humor but not on this forum. that should be done in the social forum, that is what it was created for.

[Claire_MHModerator]

No, not cutting off talk of anything, although some aspects of alternative health may be better suited to the "Living With Hepatitis C" or alternatives groups.  Still, a line's got to be drawn when the remarks divert the discussion away from Hepatitis C and into strictly personal territory.

[a823]

While acupuncture may not be a cure,it will help with symptoms of the disease, as it treats the individuals ailments. I have personally had succes with it for many ailments.
There IS research that proves the acupuncture DIRECTLY correlates to the pathways in that are of the brain, for that point.

My bowel movements are now normal, not yellow stools, no dark urine anymore, etc.
Something I am doing is working because my viral loads are 307,070.
I will post new level updates in a new thread at the end of March.
If it is working to keep my levels low and help with my HCV it will help others too.
Copyman was directly knocking people for wanting to try other methods alongside of whatever else they are doing. To each, their own, but we all have the HCV virus, so we should be supportive of each other.
This thread was about how my trials with it so far, are working for my symptoms.
I used to get pustules over my kidney when I took in too much of something(usually preservatives, food colorings etc.) That is right over the lung meridian interestingly enough. I no longer get those pustules or rashes on my back.
I was getting acne on my jaw and little bumps all over my cheeks. The liver helps regulate hormones and I think the HCV threw my body out of balance.
I no longer get that.
I had diarreha every morning for two years.I didn't know this wasn't normal. I have not had it since two weeks into the treatment of it.
Acupunture as a way to help with side effects of having the HCV and HCV cleared  will help. To say it does not have anything to do with it, is uninformed.
I am in school for a medical subdivision. I have the resources to the research databases that list all of the hundreds of thousands of articles that show that 50-70% of increases in positve ways are being accounted for. This ranges from back pain, to fertility to jaundice! This is an excellent booster for anyone who is going through the regular treatments or not. I will share that my own personal experiences with it have helped, as well as amounts to overwhelming science studies, done by doctors. I am not pushing it as a cure copyman, only to help with side effects.I am so sorry if you feel hopeless about anything else.I hope this forum helps you too.
Good luck and God bless all.
Yes, Copyman, I will stick around, as I do have the HCV as does my husband.I will be responsible for my own health, which means being in tune with all information. Knowledge is power.

[a823]

I said lung meridian above, but I meant LIVER meridian.

[Marcia2202]

'While acupuncture may not be a cure,it will help with symptoms of the disease, as it treats the individuals ailments.'


Well, now you are making sense.

Acupuncture is definitely not a cure for HCV.  
I agree that it can help with some of the symptoms one suffers from the disease.

[Willy50]

A well liked person who used to frequent this forum, Lady Lauri was an advocate of acupuncture.  After more than a decade of HCV related issues that were never diagnosed by doctors she went to an acupuncturist.  On the very first trip she was told that there was something the matter with her liver and to go get it checked out by a physician.  Lauri did and she was DX'ed w/ HCV.  She treated soon afterward.  She continued to see the acupuncturist both during and following TX and subsequent SVR.

This story was related by a person that many of you know.  Lauri has mentioned it many times in this forum.  If she was treated in manner of this thread I think that she would have left the forum and who wouldn't?  
But perhaps that is your intention.  ; )

The originating poster has now been told in several threads that they are not welcome here, to go find another forum.

For me there is a difference between a forum on various alternative health modalities and being able to discuss them as they may pertain to HCV.  People in the other forums may have no interest or no knowledge of HCV.

I find it "on topic" to start a thread that says you feel that your HCV is helped by acupuncture.

Copyman, nobody said it was a cure.  They said that the therapy helped the symptoms that they had.  

I suppose that when you wrote the word "cure" you meant SVR.  That is what modern medicine calls it.  Most of the hepatologists call it "SVR" since they intend to NOT use the very slippery, misunderstood and vague and yes, misused word; cure.

It's a vacuous argument, as if to say that the ONLY thing that can help ones HCV is to treat it with current TX.  Is that what you think?  

Willy

[Trinity4]

I don't think you have read ALL the posts by the original poster.  As I said previously,
her responses which were unprovoked and were a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black.  
Trinity

[Claire_MHModerator]

Hi, folks,

Some posts were removed because they were taking the discussion in a less-than-helpful direction... and because there were responses to those posts, they were removed as well.  Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Claire
MedHelp.org

[Trish77]

Claire:  "No, not cutting off talk of anything, although some aspects of alternative health may be better suited to the "Living With Hepatitis C" or alternatives groups.  Still, a line's got to be drawn when the remarks divert the discussion away from Hepatitis C and into strictly personal territory."

Fair enough.  Thanks for the response.

Trish

[a823]

Thank you so much for your support!

I didn't put it as a cure. Only God could claim such a thing. I did,as you can see all throughout this page, suggest that it could be used in conjuction or alone, if someone doesn't have medication for the virus, to be used to treat symptoms or side effects.
No one was bashing the forum,only questioning if it was a place of support for all people with HCV. I know that is why I came here.I am thankful for the support and for the forum.

[Trish77]

Thanks for that.  It's like someone sniffed blood and went "release the hounds!".  

"For me there is a difference between a forum on various alternative health modalities and being able to discuss them as they may pertain to HCV.  People in the other forums may have no interest or no knowledge of HCV."

Exactly.

Regards,

Trish

[Trish77]

Honestly, you're all over the map since you arrived here.  You posted that you'd never do Western treatment while at the same time asking questions about Western treatment and then coming out with the statement that you're simply not ready to do Western treatment.  You've come dangerously close to suggesting that alternative therapies can cure HCV and that our drug therapies are misguided.  You started in about acupuncture and came dangerously close to suggesting that it was a cure and then backed off to the position that it was an aid. Your posts up until now seem designed to gather information so you can determine what you need to teach us.  I gather you're in school related to some medical discipline of some kind.  So perhaps that's where that is coming from.  

I don't like how you've been treated by various people here however perhaps you need to get your message straight.  You also need to spend some time listening - nothing wrong with you posting and asking multiple questions - new people tend to put up multiple posts and are hungry for information.  We all share our wisdom and experiences and if you have some to share, please do.  Just please show some respect for the time that others here have also put in to understanding our own disease.  You're not amongst a bunch of pharma-dupes here.  And if you get close to talking about a cure, be prepared to back that up with plenty of factual data or expect to be challenged. :)

Good luck with your journey and your search.

Trish

[Reb576]

Acupuncture has helped with my side effects, especially my energy levels, sleep, appetite, and mood.