Check your Meds

[can-do-man]

People always check your meds. Very early on in tx the drug store gave me the wrong dose of Redi-pens. Instead of the 1.5 they gave me the 1.2 Then they had to call around to find me the right dose. So i changed drug stores.

The other day i picked up my procrit left it in the bag and put it in the fridge. Well today my wife was getting ready to give me my shot and she noticed the cap was green instead of orange. Well we looked at the very fine print on the bottle and they had gave me instead of 40,000 just 4,000. Took it to the drug store to make sure and yep they had gave me a months supply of only the 4,000. They did say they was sorry, (Gee thanks) Two different drug stores and both are major chains.

    Happy thanksgiving to all

[NYCMark]

Well, the last time I was on treatment that same thing happened to me at a RiteAid. The gave me 4000 iu vials of Procrit instead of the 40,000 which had been prescribed. I noticed it before I used it and returned it. THey did replace it. But you are absolutely right. Ya gotta check your meds!

[Myown]

wow! Thanks for the info, I will watch once I get started.

[pln]

LOL,,Your so funny..

[Myown]

If it 'ain't' a disease passed on through families then explain all the Indians and no funny business
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How come ya left out the Irish? Ya didn't want to offend the Irish and ya figured no Indians on forum??heehee

its a weakness. I know first hand, addicted in my 20's. Horrible habit, very tough to beat, but can be done.

My theory as far as passing on through families is that besides being a learned behavior, growing up in an alcoholic family, there usually is abuse of some sort, verbal, physical or both.

The children of the addict carry pain from that household and when they do have their first drink the obvious low self esteem that the now adult child suffers from is temporarilly raised for that brief time of being high and not in the real world facing who they really are,,,WHO

[Myown]

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they really don't like. And thats my version.

[Myown]

And the reason they usually don't like themselves is because they have been put down for so many years. Once they realize that, they can "fix" the problem. At first they can only fix things by drinking and erasing their problems. look at the root cause of anything and the answer is there. To just try to give up drinking without finding out WHY your drinking is not goign to work.

[sass_blue]

from a professional perspective when treating someone with an alcohol problem sometimes it is better to not consider its a genetic disorder, certainly it can be socially learned, and used as a means of self medication (for a multitude of reasons).  From my experience if you say its a genetic issue then the person who is seeking treatment or has the problem may just say...its out of my control its a "genetic thing" which makes treatment harder in the long run...just my perspective on the isse

[timedog]

to say acholics are people who don't like themselves is just wrong thinking. Just because it is gentic doesn't doesn't put sobriety out of ones reach. you have to work for it and for most of us it is hard to do alone. AA worked for me.

[beamishboy]

sorta suspect that their mistakes are always in the favor of the cash register,eh??

[crsrph]

the errors were at chain pharmicies there would be no finacial gain for the pharmicist they made an error. only an independent would receive finical gain (which i hope would be a very rare case) . for the most part errors are due to poor physican writing , multi tasking, interuptions,lack of knowledge on disease being treated or drug being used and the lack of use of the triple check system right drug for the right disease at the right dose.all that said and done errors will still occur we only hope and pray to limit these to a minimum with no bad effects to our patients. checking your meds and talking to your pharmicist about them will also decrease chances of errors. almost all people in the medical profession really are trying their best to give their paitient the best care possible. sorry didnt mean to go on so much have a very happy thanksgiving

[Myown]

Timedog, I believe the alcoholic doesn't enjoy life as it is or doesn't like himself in a healthy way, so he drinks and becomes someone who he is not. After a while they believe or identify more with the drunken self than that of the straight self,,,in that respect, they don't like who they are.

MOYTOY said.....
Im having a bad day becouse I except my dying as it comes,with alcohol. that is who I am

The "that's who I am," shows he accepts being an alcoholic as being a definiton of who he is. Maybe his statement needs clarification, but it seems thats what he meant, I could be wrong though. Thats a poor self image and to state that means the person doesn't like themselves or they "DO" like being that person (an alcoholic),,,either way I consider that low self esteem or not liking who they are. That is a root that needs to be pulled out and THEN he can help himself.

The good news is he can change, but he has to want to. I would have loved to continue going to happy hour daily, but I changed because I was hurting loved ones because they were worried about me,,,,so sometimes the line everyone uses..."the person has to want to change for himself," is not always applicable. I was selfish and having a good time, until I saw the worry on the faces of loved ones. I changed because I love them. I stay "changed," because I love my family and I know drinking is destructive. And i know God is not please with me if I destroy my body mind and soul with alcohol.

Sass is 100% correct IMO as far as saying if you tell someone its genetic or a disease they will think they have an excuse,,,re-read her post, but thats the jist.

In todays society, no one is held accountable for their actions. Years ago a woman that slept around was called a slut,,,,today she is told she cannot help it,,,"she is a sex addict." Amazing.

I look at alot of things from a spiritual perspective and I see it this way....if no one is ever at fault,,they haven't any sins,,,if they haven't any sins,,,they don't need a savior. So IMO satan is laughing his head off convincing everyone that "its not your fault,"

No alcoholic/addict is hopeless,but they have to examine themselves deep inside as to how and why they got to where they are and then take a step in the right direction, get help, support or whatever they need to do,,its hard, as you know,,but it can be done. I'm glad it worked out for you .I'm glad it worked out for myself too. So we are living proof as others on forum that people can quit. And I agree with St George,,wish I can go to a 12 step to get rid of hep c.

i'm supposed to be helping with Thanksgiving prep and here I sit,,,talk about an addiction. We're all going to need a 12 step program to leave this forum. haha. Have a Happy thanksgiving!

Rev,,that device,, can I get it at Radio Shack?,,I want one.

[CitizenSmith]

Hi all, just thought I'd chuck my two pee (cents) in about Alcoholism.Whilst I agree there is some genetic component to it it is far from cut and dried,I believe it has a large psychological/societal part as well.Referring to the native population of North America as genetically predisposed to Alcoholism is unfair (and possibly verging on racism).The thing those groups of people who are perceived to have a larger than average rate of Alcoholism have in common is the destruction of their culture, this applies to native North Americans,Australian Aboriginals,most South Pacific Islanders the Irish and many others,Russians being a twentieth century example.I'm sure everybody who thinks about it can come up with examples.In my case I am a Alcoholic in recovery yet have no living or dead relations who have suffered from Alcoholism.It is a disease and a particularly deadly one.I don't mean to have a go at anyone it's just I believe it is a very complex problem with no easy answers. CitizenSmith.

[Myown]

Ha Ha...eugenics,,,tell that to the beverly hills crowd,,tell barbara,ya know,,people, people who love people are the luckiest da-da da- da. tell martin sheen about eugenics....try to breed with one of his kids,,believe me, I'm sure he'll tell you (or me) we're not from the right stock,so what would you call that? ,,,but you wouldn't be screaming eugenics at them though,,,because martin slept on the street for THREE WHOLE DAYS, so he can feel what it feels like to be homeless,,,hey whata guy!! I guess he was sleeping on the streets with the homeless so he could find a husband for his niece or something to keep his family line from being pure,,,,, such a humanitarian !

Okay hear goes, brace yourself,,turn your little home- made nuclear missile away from pointing in the direction of my house. thanks I appreciate it.

Drinking many times is a learned behavior. Peer pressure plays a role. Acceptance is in part a reason if one starts at a young age.(Will you still by me a Christmas grab bag gift here at MH if you get my name?)And you were't very nice to Foreseegood,,guess what??? she had your name in the grab bag,,it was a real nice gift too, showed me. I flew out there, wanted Martins autograph, stopped by foresee, had lunch.

As I said, I went through it too,hard, but I did it, as you and many others. Is it hard yes,yes yes. But as Cuteus mentioned in other post,, the person she mentioned went through treatment and then chose to go back.That is pure selfishness.And it caused pain and suffering to those around this person.
  

$39.95 is way too much to pay for that. you should have waited until tommorrow, black Friday. Excellent sales.

[Myown]

Glad to hear you are in recovery!! Thats great!

Hope all is well with you. Have a nice weekend.

[Forseegood]

Like your handle, was going to call myself CitizenKane but didn't want people to think I was the wrong gender, still get confusion on that one so I shoulda anyway, ha ha!

As you say and I completely agree with you, this is a real mixed bag of complicated issues, that can play out differently from alcoholic to alcoholic...but I do agree with Revved up....at least in part, to a "perceived genetic pre-disposition" to alcoholism, along with many socio-economic factors, and the insidious destruction of one's culture that you so wisely pointed out...

I feel we're all a mix of so many components that it's very hard and sometimes unwise to make generalizations on these issues, sensitive as they are...alcoholism and the reasons for it is not an absolute moral question... as rape, and things of that nature...

I am part indigenous American indian (to California, talk about being a "real" native, ha ha) and there seems to be a "pre-disposition" to alcoholism in these cultures, because of biological factors as well...also a predispostion to hypoglycemia...Am I saying that all Indians are alcoholics or hypoglycemics? Certainly not...

Did you know that there are certain cultures, like heavy meat eating cultures like the Scandanavian and Northern European (probably weather related, can't grow too many veggies in these climates) that "can" have more of a problem with going vegan or vegetarian? Perhaps millenia of heavy meat eating by their ancestors has in some way configured in the blood? Perhaps there are dna issues to consider?....and before I get jumped on, I am by no means saying that individuals of these cultures can't go vegan successfully...

There is also an *allergy* question here, that some scientists have touched on, sometimes we crave things we are slightly allergic to, I have a real craving for dairy products for example, but I don't do well with them...I was able to fix a lot of sneezing, stuffiness, etc, by foregoing dairy...but man, I dream of ice cream, dairy yogurt, etc, and sometimes I even fall of the wagon, ha ha! Perhaps Hepatitis Researcher can clarify, or even dispel some of the points I've made on here, if he's a mind to and not extremely busy with something else...I'd be interested in his point of view, as I am way less then an expert on these matters...I've just done some studying and I'm find these issues interesting....

[Forseegood]

just wanted to clarify, just because I think an alcohoic has these cards stacked against them, doesn't mean I think any one individual can't get sober...I also don't believe in enabling an alcoholic...that's no way to lay the groundwork for sobriety...besides...a drowning man takes those nearest...


best to get out of the way to see if they sink or swim, at least they have a chance that way...sorry for the mixed metaphors...

[Myown]

Dr.Liver Man,,,no good,,but if you join the two,,,,"Dr. Liverman"
suit,side part in hair helps

[Morgaina]

Rev, you kill me. You're going to put some poor goof over the edge someday, then he'll get violent, then he'll get charged, then you'll still win. Stick to debating here where you'll be safe.
I truly believe that the progression of alcoholism begins with both nature and nurture but evolves into a nature area. Eventually the control is completely out of the individuals hands, they're in a place where they have no power and probably got there because of the same reason. I have no research for you, only a very long life which I expect you have as well. People need to dwell on their own stuff and quit putting a value on others. Research is valuable for self-improvement but does **** to help us improve others. What we have to realize is that our ingrained beliefs come from either science(publisised from the media-not a good sign) or their environment-another shaky source. If we expect researched, insightful and detailed applications of proven statements or the rebuff of them, Well.......thats just dumb and hurtful. Most people dont know about the things you know about, hell, I dont know about the things you know about. Dont scare people away! You can be a bit caustic, however much I enjoy your info you can be a bit scary. Mellow. breath deep.exhale. Ther we are!.....Peace to you

[beamishboy]

i seem to remember the theory was:  native american's did not generally metabolize alcohol as quikly as others & that was attributed to an their adaption  to food source/diet..?...and  effected ability to 'hold their liquor'..?also predisposed to early onset diabetes- not my theory so hold the horses!..i do agree that many factors converge&conspire in regards booze,drinking&abuse...plus the fact that bad habits can be a form of rebellion by the powerless......just conjecture mind you..

[Forseegood]

The things I was talking about are reasons, not excuses...if someone truly wants to get sober, it is obtainable for many...whatever gets you sober is valid...sprituality or the Army or both...

Probably a good idea is to have healthy coping mechanisms and/or thought regimens to try and change behaviors and attitudes as well, or you have....(as they say in AA) stinkin thinkin...hate and resentments, thoughts of revenge, grudges, grandiosity, arrogance, a sense of entitlement, these feelings compulsively and obsessively felt send many alcoholics to escape land...they can help propel certain individuals to take that drink they are so assidulously avoiding...hence beginning the cycle again...you don't have to obsessively have these thoughts to drink in an alcoholic way, but they help...

Knowing the reasons behind alcoholism is just that, knowing them...whether one wants to get sober or not is their deal...

In my better self, I am through judging other people, cause I'm not walking in their shoes...I don't have that particular monkey, but I have others...Shall I call some obsessive-compulsive disordered individual who is tortured with their own thoughts and self-medicating with alcohol....weak? selfish? I suppose I could, but I choose not to for the most part...unfortunately, I'm not always in my better self...

[cuteus]

yeah! entertainment!   wait, let me get my popcorn!

[beamishboy]

it's douche,from the french&not the german!...tho how can we expect a true alien to comprehend the nuances of nationalism? for that matter why attempt it? there is no high moral ground anymore....base human nature has prevailed,might as well have another piece of pie.....

[Myown]

lol this is all too funny, reading all these posts,,hahahah why CAN't we have a big house all live together for a reality show,,of course it would have to be a ranch style,one level,,,,being pushed out a window wouldn't cause death then,,,i can just imagine it,,,,,shhh shhhh, i just heard the front door open,,,i think rev just came home,,,turn out the light,,,pretend your sleeping...haha

[cuteus]

how odd you should say that!  I said the same thing a couple of yrs back when I was on tx.  A reality show with hep c people on tx, that included following them while driving also.  It would give road rage a new meaning!

[beamishboy]

hey...i'm wid you!!.life is brutish&short...so let's garner all the laughs we can muster..how is the University search agoing,mom??...oh. lets put a pat of melted buttr&garlic on that popcorn eh...
forsee-my motto(over the sink) - you are what you think.think it today.become it tomorrow.nothing can HELP you or hurt you as much as the thoughts you carry in your head.. by the way,the 'hounds' ate so much gravy and all manner of trimmings that they are quite happily sprawled out in a stupor...gurgling&fartin...Dog heaven!!!!! roxanne is gettin positively rotound and i fear for her virginity? ,,if these fears are realized ,Everyone is getting a puppy for X-mas.....half aussie cattledog & half sneaky  canine sexfiend

[Myown]

lol thats funny that you thought the same thing!!,,,it would definitely bring awareness to hep and show the public heppers are from all walks of life.

we need a hollywood producer to join the forum,,,some rich kid whose daddy gives him a big allowance, then we'll get our show. well since you said you had the idea before me,,,you can be the one in charge,,i'll be your assistant until i start tx,,,then just let me sleep next to the pool, haha

[cuteus]

naw!  I am out of practice with hep c or tx!  

maybe people on tx should not be part of the show, it might scare some from the meds, especially if they observe them driving.  
I am surprised I did not get shot by another during that time, given that my middle finger seemed to have been in the upright position most of the time...

beamish, still looking, and applying, just did New Paltz recently.  Why must education be so expensive?  Why don't all these rich people take a student under their financial wing and cover them for the 4 yrs of college instead of buying yatch and mansions?  crazy world!

butter, and ....garlic? ummm, not sure.