Don't beleive that Interferon is your only choice!

I think there are enough people brainwashed here to convince anyone new that they MUST take the poison. I am here to tell you that it is not your only choice.
Seems like most are terrified of natural medicine, write it off to "Voodoo", and take the Dr.'s word for what they should and should not do.
Well, the doctors know very little about this disease, they prolonged my treatment with their advice to take the Hep A and B shots, which only served to elevate my viral load and keep it there for a year. Thanks doc, stick to broken bones, you're good at that.
Few to none agree with me here. I don't care, I have proof that my natural treatment is working.
email me. masnoggin - at- kconline.com
Blood work available upon request.

[mikesimon]

Very convincing presentation. Mike

[honey1616]

how long have you had hep that you know of and what type are you?

[GettingWell]

I pray that your status of non-detected will last, and that you have no permanent side effects. Congratulations!

[GettingWell]

I guess you'd believe anything I said if was wearing a lab coat, huh?

[DH Bill]

I think if you really payed attention to what is said on this site you would see that most of us have been through the school of hard knocks and by no stretch of the imagination do we believe what a doc tells us with out researching it ourselves.
If what you are doing works for you then we are happy for you. Some of us have tried alternative and it has not worked.
I personally don't like celebrities saying stuff that influences
so many people when maybe they do need a different treatment by a doctor. I have went through 3 doctors before I found one I trust but I still ask a lot of questions and this forum helps me ask the right questions.

[simpleman]

Do you have verifiable proof or just something you call "proof"?  There is a HUGE differance. I used to work with a guy who was having hip pain. He kept going to the chiropractor who told him he needed more manipulations and to take more "natural" products. By the time he found out he had cancer he was dead within 6 months. The chiropractor had "proof" all this was really helping(but who-the patient or the chiropractor) until he died. I'll get off my soapbox now. Good luck.

[new-sojourn]

I did it all.  Chinese doc w/herbs, juicing, going neo-veggie, meditation, prayer and super vitimin-nutrional supplimenting IN ADDITION TO TX.  I'm ESLD, bled out, passed over, literally saw THE LIGHT and came back.  I guess I really am no angel.

I think everything I did to prepare for tx and continue to do to this very day allowed me to cl a 24yr transfused infection in 2 1/2 wks.  Usually, ESLD w/no insurance or money are not even offered tx, esp full strenght tx, but I was and I did it and I cl and am alive today. (2b-24wkinfro-riba)

If your body is strong enuf to fight it w/o tx, it will.  If the body isn't strong enuf to fight it w/o tx, it can't.  Like most of the general population, hep c patients mostly aren't healthy enuf to cl, so that's reason THE REST OF US CHOOSE TX.

Good luck and here's to your health.  Except for that ESLD thing, I'm very, very healthy b/c of the herbs, and the rest  of the other healthy habits that are just part of me now.

[Indiana]

Geeze Mike...don't look now but I think "somebody" is tryin to get you goin. Have I missed something or are you just out there pissin people off on the side? hahahahaha
I can't believe it but I've kinda missed having a real "Fine example of the human big mouth" on the site here lately. Where did you find THIS one?
Remember....sometimes disgression is the better part of Valor. "There are none so blind as those who will not see". I think we all know the truth about this stuff here.
Good luck............

[OkieJim]

I sure hope you continue on getting well. This is the goal of all of us. My 2 cents is that it doesn't matter whether you use a natural poison or a man-made poison, anything we put into our bodies to kill either cells,virus,bateria is a poison. We all have our choices. And each one of us have made the choice. No one has the right to make you feel your choice is wrong. Please let us be and let us support ourselves and if you don't like what we are doing just leave.

[Steve']

Hi there my fellow HCV eradicators .... about the celebrity thing Bill, did you all see this in your part of the world... For anyone that doesnt know I'm in Sydney Australia & I would like to mention a big story on our nightly news the other day, about a famous ex-soapy actress from "Soap Watch" err I mean "Bay Watch" (P.A.) anyway she really makes people (our families) panic about HCV because she tells everyone she has Hep-C & will die in 5-10 years, she refuses to go on Interferon Tx etc but is taking various herbal items milk thistle & others, I call them "Wish Remedies" maybe if you wish hard enough they kick your brain into "Fix Mode" (I doubt it) I dont think these things are any good for our kind of virus... maybe they work on some things but not a severe thing like HCV.... she makes me mad saying things like that, it put all my people (family etc) in a downward spiral when they heard this... I had to educate them all with <b>"Facts"</b> plus I read a few stories from you guys & gals here on this great forum... this made them all see the "Real Truth" instead of 3rd hand street gossip, most people are not aware we can be cured of this dragon... I had to get this off my chest, get on my soap box & say this to everyone it made me feel better just telling you all ....  I hope you all saw this news item I mentioned ... Thanks for listening.
YeeHaa I've done shot #14 Pegasys.... I'm aching bad sometimes especialy laying in bed my hips arrgghhh ... I will get through it... stay focused on our goal</font>
<br><hr><P><marquee direction="right"><Font face="Brush Script MT"size=+3<b>Steve</b></font></marquee><br>

[DH Bill]

Yes, we saw it and experienced what you did with family and friends. These people are so selfish to disregard how their stupid comments affect others.
# 14, 10 more for you and 34 for me. Were gonna make it!

[Lill]

Open minds don't hurt us although many natural remedies may. There is so much out there that may actually damage our already fragile states of health.  It is truly a buyer beware environment.  The only natural remedy that makes sense to incorporate is milk thistle.  It won't cure us but may definitely be helpful.  It is about time some new literature came out supporting this mighty supplement:

http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/hep_c/news/110503b.html

[Revenire]

I've seen a lot of scam artists regarding HCV cures, so-called natural cures. To my knowledge, there are NONE!

It sickens and disgusts me when people come to a website like this and offer a cure, without offering PROOF, and prey upon those desperate enough to try ANYTHING to get rid of this virus.

Sir, I'd like to see your proof; actual verifiable proof -- not some blood work none of us could possibly verify.

Scott

[TravisB]

Even though I failed on Interferon and like you, am having some success with alternative medicine, I resented the tone of you post.  Why the need to mock people who are currently going through some very heavy treatment which by the way has a much better chance of success than the alternatives? Why not just state your case with some care and humility?  

This is mostly a site for people who have chosen to undergo conventional treatment and the last thing they need is someone with a negative, holier than thou attitude to undermine their struggle.  I suggest you come on a little more respectful or don't come on at all. Travis

[Tosser]

Hello,
I'm one of the poor unfortunate ones being treated with PEGASYS / COPEGUS, and at my 12 week PCR, my viral load was <50. We call that EVR, and with any luck I'll become SVR. I'm staying this course until I'm done, and if it doesn't work I won't have any other choice but try some herbal witchcraft. I sincerely hope it is working for you and that you aren't just trying to capitalize on the misfortune of Hep-C patients like some other nuts out there. Look at the prices of starter kits from Lloyd Wright. They are outrageous, and yes, my current treatment is too, but my insurance company is paying for it the first round anyway. Nobody in the medical field will talk to me about any alternative treatments. Hell, I had to beg them to start me on Peg!  I felt like the guy in the woods hunting that got bit buy a poisonous snake in the privates. If you haven't heard that one I'll have to tell you sometime. One more word of caution, most of us Hep-C patients are or have felt desperate in having to deal with this disease and treatments. These folks on the forum, particularly the long-timers, are proud of themselves for the choices the've made, good or bad, and they DO NOT want anyone telling them there are miracle cures lurking about that the medical industry doesn't want them to know about. You and I both know, that if these huge pharmaceutical companies can get their hands on products that will work, they stand to make profits that rival the national deficit. I'll quote Mr. Bill O'reilly from the No Spin Zone. " Show Me" If I'm wrong about anything I've said.
Tosser from east Tennessee

[Indiana]

Whew!!  Are we havin FUN yet??  Hahahahaha  I sure am!!

[Is_This_Real?]

Hey, I think this has been a hearty exchange of comments!

I haven't done the Peg treatment yet, but am thinking about it.  I was diagnosed July 2002 with a viral load of 13 million, and after a year of milk thistle, vitamin E, and colostrum my viral load was 52 million.

One comment that he did make was that he felt the Hep A & Hep B vaccines did increase his viral load (for a year).  This comment interests me greatly, as you can see my viral load also increased greatly .... and I did have the Hep A & B vaccines in the mean time.  Has anyone else had this experience, or even heard of this?  Mikesimon, is that a possibility?

And Tosser, you were commenting on his email address not being a real address.  I think he may have posted it in code.  Try this:  ***@****

If it works, let us all know what his response is, or waht hsi secret is!

[Galen]

It would be impossible for the vaccines for A and B to increase your viral load as they are not related to C at all.  The word "hepatitis" means inflamation (inflammation) of the liver.  they are differing, bloodborn viruses that all affect the liver.  Anyway, the vaccines don't use live virus, so are not capable of causing the diseases.  Rest your mind on that point.

BTW, prior to starting tx last year (I finished 6 weeks ago) blood tests were all normal, including all my liver enzymes.  The only blood test that showed anything at all was the PCR.  Normal liver enzymes do not mean that there is no ongoing damage.  I'd like to see this guy's bx results!!

[Tosser]

You could have at least left us a valid E-Mail address!
I'd have rather sent that last message privately.
I really hated to let my friends hear me talk hateful, but this kind of **** makes me mad! Somebody please tell me if I'm wrong.
Tosser

[jonihs]

I'm Blond enough that on a whim, tried that e-address. Didn't work,lol.     Joni

[Revenire]

What is your genotype?

What was/is your viral load?

What did your biopsy show? Did you ever have one?

Thank you,

Scott

[DH Bill]

This was in response to Is This Real, sorry Tosser, congrats on EVR.

[susan400]

What is ESLD?

[susan400]

As far as the treatment issues go.  I've tried the 'natural' thing during the times that I was not doing conventional treatment.  And quite frankly, I had as many side effects on my body from the so-called herbal treatments as I have had doing convential.  Milk Thistle makes me wheezy-I have mild asthma.  And many of the other roots-weeds and other herbal products mess up my digestive tract big time.  Personally, I'd rather take conventional medicine because then at least, I have the doctors and medical community behind me if something goes wrong.  But, I don't condemn someone if they chose to take that course of treatment.  I have a good friend in Cal. who tried conventional treatment and he got too sick from depression and sides to continue and now, he's totally swore off of conventional and has gone onto natural treatment.  However, he's never had a biopsy, doesn't believe in doctors and has no idea whatsoever what his viral load is.   Susan400

[mikesimon]

I guess I'm just getting cantankerous Indiana. But I just don't have much patience with this type of person. I can certainly understand someone trying other approaches, either because this tx didn't work for them or for a number of other valid reasons. But to bring this arrogant tone and "know it all" attitude is insulting to the rest of us. Like we believe a guy because he wears a white coat! Right. I bet some of our doctors would find that observation ammusing. They know a whole lot better than that! BTW, I'm so happy for you in your new state of health and "grace." Be well my friend and stay funny too. Mike

[layla]

My doc doesn't wear a coat at all! Maybe he's not a real hepatologist! I agree with you Mike. I also found his attitude offending. It almost sounds like he might be selling something. In the least this is a bitter person. LL

[mikesimon]

Yea, I wondered if he wasn't a snake oil salesman. These guys just pop in all of a sudden with all the answers. Most of us have been here for a while and know it's not that simple. How about the guy with the sexual transmission numbers? Where did he, or she come from? Oh well, most of us know better so no real harm done, I suppose. Mike

[baby4cakes]

HI EVERYONE
            DO YOU THINK THIS PERSON IS TRYING TO GET US UPSET? I THINK SO.DON'T LET HER ITS NOT GOOD FOR TREAMENT. ALSO MY DOCTOR DOES NOT WEAR A WHITE COAT.FOR YOUR INFO.

[GettingWell]

Wow! I thought I needed to get some responses from everyone by giving my story one more shot and got more than I bargained for!

It truthfully never was my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. I know how hard having this is. I was devastated when I found out. I spent many months in deep depression and felt my life was over. I found out about my HCV on my 40th birthday, it was like I went from being young and healthy to being sick and "old" overnight. It was the worst day of my life.

I just felt that no one was listening and that my experience.  Taking this combination of herbs is making a difference in my numbers and I thought that I had a responsibility to let others know. It is my compassion for others that drives me to make my experience known. Not for the almighty buck, I'm not selling anything. You don't have to get these items I am taking from an exclusive "snake oil" salesman, you can get them from any number of sources.
As for proof, all I have is my blood work. What other proof is needed? I would not manufacture any data, I have no motivation other than to get the word out that if you follow this program than more likely than not it seems that you will get better.
I am.

I am happy and encouraged to learn of others that have been cleared by the Interferon treaments. I would like to know if anyone has evidence of 1a being cleared long term by the Peg/Riba treatments.

I apologize for my abrasive tone, although the responses here helped me a great deal. I wish the best of health to everyone, thank you.

[GettingWell]

Almost forgot, the email thing is just to discourage the spam scanners. I read that they scour the web for any email addresses for their crappy little business. I just changed my email address to avoid spam. (So much for all that now that I see it is posted.)

[DH Bill]

Thanks for your response that takes courage. Hang around and let us know how you progress. I know we all want to see you beat this dragon no matter how you do it.
Bill

[mikesimon]

I too apologize for prematurely judging you. We are sensitive to these things. As to a 1a becoming an SVR I am preety sure we have one or more of those here. I really don't think there is much distinction between 1a's and 1b's anymore. I could be wrong on this but it is my understanding that 1s are about the same in terms of clearance from tx. I know for sure that there are 1b's who have been "cured" who post to this board. Mike

[DH Bill]

I have had 2 of the a&b shots my last one will be in dec. If they increase the viral load why was I undetectable at 12 weeks which was 2 weeks ago?

[Indiana]

Since your tone has changed I will comment to you now.
After reading your "story" I can certainly understand your frustration with the current meds. I"m still mot sure if you actually tried any of them but they certainly are not the "perfect" answer to all this. Many folks do not succeed with them depending on genotype and other things. Some have permanent side effects and some actually end up worse off then before they started. Not many but some. There are NO guarantees. That is why it's SO important to educate ourselves and so make INFORMED chioces about wether or not to do this stuff. I agree that this is one disease you just can't blindly trust your doctors with. They are limited many times in their knowledge and by the effectiveness of the meds. It's all basically a "**** shoot" at best. We can do some things to improve our "odds" but it's still the lesser of 2 evils when we choose.
If we fail then we still feel the need to do SOMETHING to try to save ourselves. Sometimes herbal remidies can fill that void. They WILL NOT cure this.....but sometimes they CAN help some folks. At least for a little while. Their effectiveness usually wears off after a short time and some can actually hurt us. It's still the same kind of "**** shoot".
If you have studied Hcv much you know that lowering "The Numbers" does not necessarily mean that we lower the damage being done. That information takes more tests from the dreaded medical community. Currently a biopsy is the only to find that out. Still...it's a real mental boost to see the load numbers going down.
If you are trying this stuff after failing at tx then I applaud your efforts to help yourself. If you are doing herbals as an alternative out of fear of tx then I respect your choice as long as you made that choice in an "educated" way. It's YOUR life and you have to deal with it as you think best.
We will support your efforts as long as you are doing it all in an "informed" way. Otherwise we will try to help you get informed. That's what we do here. You are welcome as are ALL opinions. We are more than willing to support any opinions we give.
Most folks here are on tx and it's not a major accomplishment to tick-off someone on Riba. I used to get mad at the animals that live in my woods here! We all cope as best we can but it's just too easy to "lose it" for most of these folks.
We are all REAL people here....not just statistics. Many of us are now SVR. Some for years. I WAS a 1b. I'm now a NO b...going on 10 months....with NO real lasting side effects. This tx does work for some of us. Those here like myself have studies this stuff for YEARS. We have formed "informed" opinions. We do not all agree on everything but we are ALL willing to put them out there to try to help. You are always welcome to post an opinion. We will do the best we can to help if we can.
So, hang around and we'll have some fun. This stuff doesn't have to be such a Drag.
   Just watch out for Badgers........

[GettingWell]

Thank you so much everyone for your forgiveness and encouragement. I hope everyone here gets better no matter how you are going about it. (Come to think of it my "good" doctor does not wear a lab coat either).
I am blessed with 1a. My viral load when first diagnosed is unknown as I had the "cheap" test that only showed >850,000 iu/ml. Four months after being diagnosed I received the exact count test and it was at 611,000 iu/ml. Right after that I got the Hep A and B shots, started switching from Celexa to Prozac to Effexor to Paxil trying to get some relief from my depression that I had been treating for years with Budwieser (cheap and dirty but effective nonetheless).
Eventually my viral load had risen to an all time high of 8,090,000 iu/ml as of 8/7/03. My latest test from 9/22/03 showed it at 6,340,000 iu/ml. So I hope that I am over the effects of the drugs and the vaccinations. I will post my results from my upcoming test in December. I hope that I am not reporting these results too early and leading anyone into false hope.  
I have had a biopsy, it really didn't show a "score", but stated "portal and lobular hepatitis c showing mild to moderate activity and bridging periportal fibrosis". I had this biopsy back on 1/11/02.
As for disbelief that the hep a and b shots raise your HCV viral load, it makes sense to me that when you inject copies of an inactive virus that is closely related to HCV (with respect to the way A and B effects the liver) then you stand a fair chance of "feeding" the virus that you already have. That's my understanding of how vaccines work. Inactive virus that stimulates your immune system.
If you are at all interested in alternatives, please give the testimonial pages at www.hepatitiscfree.com an objective read. There are many more there that have had the same results as me.

Anyhow, I appreciate the offers by some to hang around and be part of this. Again my apologies to anyone that was hurt by my previous posts. Contact me directly if anyone would like to at
masnoggin -at- kconline.com (replace the -at- with @)

Thanks again everyone. Take care of yourself...

[OkieJim]

Thank you for your response. I appoligize for Friday's out-burst. Friday night is shot night for me. I was already on edge. I'm at week 10 of TX. I really do hope your TX works for you. We are all trying to do the same thing. God Bless You, and everyone else out here this forum has be my only saving grace during this time. Thank you all.

[mikesimon]

I'm really getting to like this guy. Mike

[Tosser]

Be ware of this type of promotion, there are always ulterior motives to their madness...mainly money.

Go to this link for some FREE information about herbal products.

http://www.all-natural.com/herbnutr.html


I have E-Mailed GettingBetter to answer some specific questions, if he will, but so far haven't received any reply. I don't mean to make such a big deal of all this, but for those who are interested, I'll keep you posted, or you can E-Mail me at...

<***@****>

I ain't scared!

Tosser

[GettingWell]

Thanks again for everyone's help, input, and kind words. I have learned alot here already. I was under the impression that the current treatment was not effective at all for us 1a (and b) types, it is encouraging to find otherwise. I have answered all that sent emails, no snake oil included, none offered for sale.
Please email me if you have questions.
Also I have no affiliation to anyone or anything, I just want to get better and want everyone else to get better too.
I am trying the natural/herbal first, and the Int/Peg as a last resort. I am certainly sick of drinking teas, taking pills, and holding glandular extracts under my darned tongue. Nasty stuff!

Has the depression/rage been bad for anyone? That is the part that scares me most about tx, I had a glimpse of what I can imagine that is like when I had a bad reaction from Prozac. Started taking it on Thursday and by Sunday I had to be hospitalized. I learned that if you are going to need help you'd better get sick between 8 and 5 when the Dr.'s office is still open. The mental hospital was very scary. Just like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest without the big indian guy. Never want to go through that again.
Thanks again everyone.

[new-sojourn]

I'm 'cured' b/dying anyway from the damage done.  I went into complete liver failure before I was even tested for hep c.

Now, I don't know whats gonna happen now.  I don't know how long I have to live.  Statistically, I should be dead.  If I had been put on a liver transplant list when my liver failed, they might just be getting around to me, since the average wait is 23mo and most ESLDers die waiting for a transplant.

So the way I look at it, I'm as well off, if not better off, as if I had gone the transplant route.  And since docs still aren't treating many ESLD'ers, I may be ahead of the game by going the tx and life-style changes route, instead of pinning all my hopes on modern medicine again-that's how I got the da**ed disease.

Also, I know I'm happier-I can still smoke dope!!

There is a some (slight) odds that I can live maybe 5yrs or longer anyway if I'm very, very vigilent about maintaining as a toxic free life style as possible.

I plan to test those limits on longivity severly.

I always qualify all statements w/'if I'm still alive' and don't hide my condition.  I don't want my friends and relations to say,  'Why I had no idea she was even ill, she looked so happy.'  I want them to say,  "How could she look so happy when she was deathly ill!"

[Revenire]

Hi there,

Look, I don't know you from Adam but when someone comes around ANY Hep C site saying they have a natural cure I smell a skunk. You know? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, for the moment, and offer you some advice one human being to another: Get rid of the herbs, teas, etc. and get on Pegasys and Ribavarin before your liver is so damaged that Gaia herself couldn't cure you. From reading your posts you already have bridging fibrosis, which puts you someplace in late Stage 2/early Stage 3 area, perhaps worse by now -- if I recall your biopsy was in 2002? Everything I've read states these 'natural' methods can actually DAMAGE your liver.

Good luck,

Scott

[GettingWell]

Hi Scott. I don't know you from Adam either, and I will give you the benefit of my doubt as well. Thanks for responding.
Yes, my biopsy was in 2002. Wouldn't my AST and ALT numbers show it if there is currently damage occuring to my liver? It is my understanding that elevated enzymes are the indicator for damage taking place. The liver does regenerate if given a chance, right?
What is your current status? Did you have another biopsy post treatment if you are done? Did you look at the hepatitiscfree site to see what the program contains? And where did you read that natural methods harm your liver? I know there are some herbs that can damage your liver and are to be avoided, but certainly not all of them. All modern medicine has it's roots (no pun intended) in herbals, right?
Thanks

[Galen]

I'm not about to get into your business as to whether or not you treat, but I can tell you that normal liver enzymes do not necessarily mean you have no ongoing damage.  
http://www.natap.org/2001/36theasl/alt_levels050101.htm

Also from Medscape dated 3/4/03http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/449935

Response from David Bernstein, MD
Associate Professor, SUNY Downstate School of Medicine, Brooklyn, New York; Director of Hepatology, North Shore University Hospital, Manhasset, New York

Normal liver enzymes are a common finding in patients with chronic hepatitis C infection. Twenty-five percent to 30% of patients with chronic hepatitis C will have persistently normal liver enzymes. Most patients with such persistently normal aminotransferase levels will have mild disease on liver biopsy but, when biopsied, as many as 25% will have significant inflammation or fibrosis.

There are many others.  As for me, my enzymes have always been normal (yearly physicals) and I have had the disease for 30 years (needle stick working at a local hospical.  I got sick at the time so know that is when it all started).  Prior to starting tx, my bx showed stage two.  I am a 1B, which is harder to get rid of than 1B and at 6 weeks post-tx have been undetectable since week 10.

[GettingWell]

I hope you continue to be undetected. Thank you very much for taking the time to refer me to the two sites.
I wonder now if I am doing the right thing. Not the original reason that I came here. Ironic that I was banging my "keep an open mind" drum loudly, and now that is exactly what I need to do.
I thought that I was doing well by lowering my AST/ALT and viral load. Now it seems that even with normal enzymes, my liver can still have ongoing damage occuring.
Has anyone had a biopsy post treatment? Is there any evidence that the damage ever stops?

[Revenire]

Galen pretty much answered the 'liver enzyme' question. They are not meaningless but do not tell the amount of damage a person has to their liver -- only a biopsy can.

I've only been biopsied once, also in 2002, and the damage was pretty much the same as yours. I am on week 44 of the standard for genotype 1s and have been undetectable since before week 12. I am doing Pegasys and 1000mg of Ribavarin (the shot once per week and 5 pills per day). I also do Neupogen every 3rd week, to keep my white blood cell (WBC) up -- they dropped about 24 weeks into treatment. It hasn't been fun but I made it this round and am hopeful that in six months I will have a sustained virologic response. My odds, due to my early response, are as good as they can be. That's where I am.

Interesting aside to that: My family doctor, after the biopsy, said "Scott, you can do nothing and get another biopsy in a few years -- wait for a more benign treatment -- this may never progress any further." He was dead wrong, of course. But, he did send me to a very good specialist at a hospital.

The liver does heal, yes. There is some controversy regarding that as well. After a certain amount of damage has been done does it heal or does the damage progress no further? That is the subject of ongoing studies. HALT-C is one I know of off the top of my brain-fogged head; there are others.

Yes, I looked at the site you provided. I don't see any proof of any cure for HCV there. Testimonials from people? Those aren't proof. I also firmly believe that the drug companies would quickly grab onto any such 'cure' and make billions off of it. To suggest otherwise would require a massive conspiracy. What are Lloyd's medical credentials? None. He has no college degrees I can find, after an exhaustive search. This is from a pro-Wright site: "LLOYD WRIGHT, AUTHOR attended University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) for undergraduate work in Anthropology and continued his formal education at Cal Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks, California where he majored in Administration of Justice."

Pam Anderson is using Wright's method and she has said she believes she will be dead in 10-15 years.

The site <a href="http://www.dungeonmagic.com/pages/hepc.html">dungeon Magic</a> has a very flattering review of Wright's book.

As far as the natural path you've taken doing harm to your liver there is abundant literature, from Western medical science, that documents that. The question is: Would you believe it? I don't know the specific herbs you take so I can not comment on them specifically.

Take a look at the site I post below. I am sure you're aware of some of the names etc. This 'gentleman' also claims to have a cure for HCV ... I believe he belongs in prison.

<a href="http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Colloidal-minerals/patrickflanagan.html">The Flanagan Follies</a>