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Fibrospect and Fibrosure

by Upbeat, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
Does anyone know what the difference is?  Is one better than the other?  any info would be appreciated.

                                                             Ron
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by copyman, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
they are both the same type of test. they are only accurate on the low & high ends. not real good for F2/F3 realibility.

by factisbetter, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
To: copyman do u know how interferon ruins ur brain?
Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon and author of the books Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save your Life and Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients, contributed this outstanding article about interferons, which are used widely for the treatment of multiple sclerosis (MS), hepatitis, cancer and more. If you, or someone you know, are taking these drugs, this article will help you decide if the benefits outweigh the many risks.

By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

Interferons are used in clinical medicine for a number of medical conditions including:

A wide range of cancers
Chronic hepatitis
Multiple sclerosis
Chronic granulomatous disease
AIDS-related disorders
Rarely considered are the effects of large doses of this immune cytokine on brain function. For example, the conventional treatment of chronic hepatitis is interferon-alpha-2b. Despite poor results in controlling the disease and the existence of safer, more effective natural treatments, physicians continue to use this toxic treatment. Of major concern are the neurologic effects of the treatment.

Acute Problems

It is known that interferons have two patterns of injury to the brain. One is acute and occurs within hours of treatment, often lasting for the first one to three weeks of the treatment. This usually includes fever, chills, headache and fatigue.

Chronic Problems

This is followed by a chronic phase in which more serious injuries to the nervous system result. Chronic symptoms can include malaise, lethargy, somnolence, headaches, low-grade fevers, anorexia (loss of appetite) and more serious symptoms such as psychomotor symptoms, cognitive problems, psychiatric behaviors and even delirium and coma.

Brain Toxicity

The severity of symptoms depends on the dose of the interferon and manner of administering the medication. Continuous infusion of high-dose interferons is associated with more severe neurologic problems. It is known that chronic brain toxicities occur at all doses but more so after doses higher than 18 million to 20 million units a day. Most common is severe fatigue.

Even lower doses have been associated with a lack of drive and disinterest in participating in normal activities, a process called psychomotor retardation. This occurs in anywhere from 47 percent to 80 percent of patients. Changes in the ability to think clearly (cognitive changes) are frequently seen in patients treated with as little as 9 million units of interferon per week. The difficulty with thinking reaches a peak at one to three months. This can include a decreased attention span, difficulty concentrating, defective short-term memory and mental clouding.

Studies have described frequent periods of silence and vacant staring, occurring even in mid-sentence. Objective testing for recall and cognitive function have shown an incidence of 17 percent to 50 percent in patients receiving standard doses of interferons. Most of these cognitive difficulties do improve, yet there are reports of persistent impairments lasting up to two years following cessation of treatment.

In some patients the effect is so severe on the brain that patients sleep up to 20 hours a day and during waking periods experience disorientation and confusion. Speech difficulties (expressive dysphasia) and problems with balance have also been reported. On rare instances, these neurological effects have progressed to a demented state. Hallucinations have also been reported.

It is important to appreciate that the patients in the first two categories to be described had no previous psychiatric history. Renault and co-workers, who examined many of these patients, divided the neurobehavioral effects into three syndromes: organic personality syndrome, organic affective syndrome and delirium effects. Patients with organic personality syndrome frequently experience uncontrollable overreaction to minor frustrations, are very irritable and have a short temper.

Depression Common

Those with the organic affective syndrome often describe feelings of depression and hopelessness. They cry easily and have difficulty interacting socially with others. Patients experiencing delirium have a clouding of their thinking, have short-term memory problems and have frequent mood changes. Many become severely agitated, abusive, withdrawn and may exhibit suicidal thoughts, delusions of being persecuted and phobias. Patients having delirium symptoms often had co-existing liver disease, history of psychiatric disorder or previous brain injury.

Severe Reactions in Cancer Treatment

The most severe effects have been seen in patients treated for cancers. In these patients death due to encephalopathy (widespread brain injury) and associated seizures have been described. This may be a result of combined toxicities of radiation, chemotherapy and interferon.

Interferon-gamma is less toxic than the alpha or beta-interferons. With higher doses one can see chronic neurotoxicities, which can include dizziness, slowed thinking, confusion, crying spells, and even symptoms resembling Parkinson's disease.

How Interferon Ruins Your Brain

The mechanism of this injury to the brain appears to involve the brain's special immune cell called the microglia. Normally, these cells remain dormant in the brain. That is, they are sleeping. Microglia cells can be activated by numerous factors, including mercury, aluminum, iron, overvaccination, and brain trauma, strokes, infections (viruses, bacteria, rickettsia) and cytokines such as interferons.

Once activated, microglia can move about the brain secreting very toxic compounds, which include two excitotoxins (glutamate and quinolinic acid). These excitotoxins dramatically increase free radical generation in the brain as well as oxidation of lipids (called lipid peroxidation). These radicals damage synaptic connections, interfere with neurotransmitters and can even kill neurons. In addition, these activated microglia generate other toxic compounds such as prostaglandins (PGE2), which increase brain inflammation.

If the microglia activation is short lived, the damage to the brain is minimal and recovery takes place. Yet, should the activation continue, which would occur with high-dose and long-term use of interferons, the damage could be substantial and irreversible. Protecting the brain with high-dose and varied antioxidants as well as certain metabolic stimulants can substantially reduce this damage. Certain nutrients, such as malate, pyruvate, DHA, ascorbate, magnesium and methylcobalamin inhibit excitotoxicity.

Physicians Frequently Miss Side Effects

Physicians often ignore patient complaints of neurological difficulties during interferon treatments, assuming they are benign and reversible. As stated in the beginning, natural alternatives have been

by FlGuy, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
To: copyman
Looks like you have a new best friend!  Must see you as someone on the edge and is trying to tip you to the dark side, or is the side of the Force? Hmmmm.

by Upbeat, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
To: copy
Oh my !
              What in the world has that to do with fibrosure?  It looks like you can attract them copy.

                                                                                                   Ron

by copyman, Jul 03, 2007 12:00AM
To: LOL, abbas is back
i knew he would be back. if he thinks i read his posts he is a fool! why would he pick me. LOL,  perhaps he thinks i can help him with his sexual dysfunction. the only suggestion i could offer him is to try a woman instead of paki sheep and he may be able to get it up. Baa aaa aaa aaa

by dlr2007, Jul 04, 2007 12:00AM
To: all the REAL people here
I can't believe these anti-interferon spammers! Seems like every informative, interesting thread I open has one of those obnoxious posts about the "scientific proof" of the horrors of tx. I don't get the point! Are we all supposed to run desperately towards some snake-oil treatment that will conveniently pop up on this site too? Guess we just gotta ignore it if we can. I am very interested in FibroSpect and FibroScan even though I'm getting a bx soon. As long as we all just keep discussing our legit stuff on here, I'm sure the scammers and spammers will give up eventually. Hope everyone has a good day!
  Best wishes and prayers to my fellow Heppers,
-Dee
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