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Glass of Wine
I know I am over reacting, but I went out to dinner last night to celebrate my last riba pill and the end of treatment and had one glass of wine over the course of dinner. Do you think this will impact treatment success? At this point I am so worried it didn't work it is all that is on my mind. mar
so much 'tude about the booze, wow. We are all such a colorful bunch with wonderfully developed opinions....great to have a place to share them.
I used to make wine for Chateau Ste. M@#$@#$@ in Washington and I don't drink, never have, just don't like the taste. But I was always rip roaring tipsy by noon from tasting and the tests we used to run after the crush in October and November. The labs had all the testing done early in the a.m. so that a person like me could eat lunch and sober up before going home.
Working for 12 to 14 hours a day during crush always ensured that we were sober before driving. You all made me remember those days....I had the virus then, but the whole experience was so wonderful, I would not give it up. I still don't drink, especially not wine. Are you kidding? I know what goes in those vats!!!
One time...there was this big ole grasshopper, floating in the skins...I was doing punch downs....yep....I mixed him in. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist!! He eventually got filtered out..but the Cab that year was called....earthy...with a woodsy back. Thanks to that ole grasshopper. Think about what you consume. You just never know.
Willow
I used to make wine for Chateau Ste. M@#$@#$@ in Washington and I don't drink, never have, just don't like the taste. But I was always rip roaring tipsy by noon from tasting and the tests we used to run after the crush in October and November. The labs had all the testing done early in the a.m. so that a person like me could eat lunch and sober up before going home.
Working for 12 to 14 hours a day during crush always ensured that we were sober before driving. You all made me remember those days....I had the virus then, but the whole experience was so wonderful, I would not give it up. I still don't drink, especially not wine. Are you kidding? I know what goes in those vats!!!
One time...there was this big ole grasshopper, floating in the skins...I was doing punch downs....yep....I mixed him in. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist!! He eventually got filtered out..but the Cab that year was called....earthy...with a woodsy back. Thanks to that ole grasshopper. Think about what you consume. You just never know.
Willow
If you read my post, you'd realize that I never said I drank several glasses of wine a night. I said that a couple of times in the past year I had a glass and a half (i.e. 7 or 8 oz.), but my usual consumption is a 4 or 5 oz. glass with food, and not every night. As I understand it, the liver can handle a certain amount of alcohol (20 or 30 grams), just as it can handle certain prescription meds that in excess would cause damage.
Appreciating good wine is similar to appreciating good food, art, music, and literature, all works of humankind at its highest levels of creativity. I've never had a problem with alcohol, so I figure it's all right for me. I have had problems with cookies and cakes, so I'm much more cautious with my ingestion of desserts.
Appreciating good wine is similar to appreciating good food, art, music, and literature, all works of humankind at its highest levels of creativity. I've never had a problem with alcohol, so I figure it's all right for me. I have had problems with cookies and cakes, so I'm much more cautious with my ingestion of desserts.
I agree with much of your post - cept the *puritan* part (although that may be operating in some people, certainly not with me). First of all, anyone can do what they want out there...if a person with cirrhosis wants to drink a qt of Jack Daniels every night, that's on them. I guess we are just addressing questions about alcohol on this board, when someone asks. This lady just wanted to know if one drink was okay, guess most of told her it was fine, that's that.
But one has to realize that these types of posts will get all the soup to nuts answers that are possible on a public hepatitis *LIVER DISEASE* board...that's just a given...if anyone has any history with these boards, they'll know that. Very often these types of threads will become contentious. Sad but true. Course, if a person isn't familiar with this reality, I can see why they might become defensive or just plain puzzled at all the varied *charged* reactions.
I think what happens is that there are so many variables to this question, and that tends to get lost in the equation. And because there are SO many substance abusers in this Hep C community (as there are in most every community, with the stats saying something like 1 in 4 Americans have some type of serious substance abuse issue - that's a whole lot of Americans).
I know some people are *sensitive* to this issue, as they think we as a community already suffer stigmatization from the public, etc...And I can understand that. There should be efforts to inform the public that many of us do not suffer from substance abuse issues, that this is a blood to blood contact disease, and we shouldn't be stigmatized, under any circumstances, addictions or not. All diseases should be addressed as diseases, without any type of moralizing, stigmatization, categorization, etc.
But I'm the type that likes to call a spade a spade, and let's face it, if anyone who has been here say, over a year....and has NOT seen *a lot* of substance abusers, out of the closet, and IN the closet, people with drug addictions, alcoholics, etc...then they are lying to themselves....at least to my way of thinking.
Do I have a moral or puritanical aversion to these people? Certainly not. People like this are wired differently, they are usually chemically different then people without these addictions, and they deserve nothing but help.
If you have been lucky enough to not be wired this way, why on earth would you condemn anybody who does have this burden to bear. I don't condemn anybody. But the fact that these people have the added burden of A LIVER DISEASE makes their addictive behavior all the more serious and alarming. We all know that, and we know why. Nothing will acclerate this disease more then alcoholic drinking and druging. With copious amounts of alcohol the biggest offender of all.
And yes I know, being obese isn't the best thing either. Smoking isn't the best either.
That being said, there are also plenty of people with this disease WHO ARE NOT ALCOHOLICS. They might just miss that glass of wine with dinner or at a celebratory party, whatever. My party line has always been my doctor's...you have this disease? then ONE DRINK, at a party or something to celebrate, probably wouldn't hurt...BUT NO ROUTINE DRINKING.
After you SVR, then one can go back to moderate drinking - if they don't have a drinking problem of course. And, if you're not an alcoholic (as many of my friends who routinely drink when I see them socially, etc)...and you don't have this disease, well, it's all on you. I don't even care if my friends (who are NOT infected with hep or anything else) get a little tipsy every once in a while, who cares? Their livers are fine.
But do I hang around with active alcoholic-drunks? No. Nothing bores me more then being around a person who is drunk and obnoxious, spitting in my face while they are repeating the same story over and over. I just feel bad for them and hope they get help, but do I want to be around that? no.
But I was just at a friend's dinner party not too long ago, and they were getting just a little tipsy on fine wine, we all had fun though. So yeah, there are many conditions and qualifiers, but I'm pretty sure most people are just a little sensitive over this issue because there is so much at stake with this disease, it is a LIVER DISEASE after all, not because of any kind of MORAL objection. And yes, not EVERYONE who has hep c is an alcoholic. Just my take, go in peace.
But one has to realize that these types of posts will get all the soup to nuts answers that are possible on a public hepatitis *LIVER DISEASE* board...that's just a given...if anyone has any history with these boards, they'll know that. Very often these types of threads will become contentious. Sad but true. Course, if a person isn't familiar with this reality, I can see why they might become defensive or just plain puzzled at all the varied *charged* reactions.
I think what happens is that there are so many variables to this question, and that tends to get lost in the equation. And because there are SO many substance abusers in this Hep C community (as there are in most every community, with the stats saying something like 1 in 4 Americans have some type of serious substance abuse issue - that's a whole lot of Americans).
I know some people are *sensitive* to this issue, as they think we as a community already suffer stigmatization from the public, etc...And I can understand that. There should be efforts to inform the public that many of us do not suffer from substance abuse issues, that this is a blood to blood contact disease, and we shouldn't be stigmatized, under any circumstances, addictions or not. All diseases should be addressed as diseases, without any type of moralizing, stigmatization, categorization, etc.
But I'm the type that likes to call a spade a spade, and let's face it, if anyone who has been here say, over a year....and has NOT seen *a lot* of substance abusers, out of the closet, and IN the closet, people with drug addictions, alcoholics, etc...then they are lying to themselves....at least to my way of thinking.
Do I have a moral or puritanical aversion to these people? Certainly not. People like this are wired differently, they are usually chemically different then people without these addictions, and they deserve nothing but help.
If you have been lucky enough to not be wired this way, why on earth would you condemn anybody who does have this burden to bear. I don't condemn anybody. But the fact that these people have the added burden of A LIVER DISEASE makes their addictive behavior all the more serious and alarming. We all know that, and we know why. Nothing will acclerate this disease more then alcoholic drinking and druging. With copious amounts of alcohol the biggest offender of all.
And yes I know, being obese isn't the best thing either. Smoking isn't the best either.
That being said, there are also plenty of people with this disease WHO ARE NOT ALCOHOLICS. They might just miss that glass of wine with dinner or at a celebratory party, whatever. My party line has always been my doctor's...you have this disease? then ONE DRINK, at a party or something to celebrate, probably wouldn't hurt...BUT NO ROUTINE DRINKING.
After you SVR, then one can go back to moderate drinking - if they don't have a drinking problem of course. And, if you're not an alcoholic (as many of my friends who routinely drink when I see them socially, etc)...and you don't have this disease, well, it's all on you. I don't even care if my friends (who are NOT infected with hep or anything else) get a little tipsy every once in a while, who cares? Their livers are fine.
But do I hang around with active alcoholic-drunks? No. Nothing bores me more then being around a person who is drunk and obnoxious, spitting in my face while they are repeating the same story over and over. I just feel bad for them and hope they get help, but do I want to be around that? no.
But I was just at a friend's dinner party not too long ago, and they were getting just a little tipsy on fine wine, we all had fun though. So yeah, there are many conditions and qualifiers, but I'm pretty sure most people are just a little sensitive over this issue because there is so much at stake with this disease, it is a LIVER DISEASE after all, not because of any kind of MORAL objection. And yes, not EVERYONE who has hep c is an alcoholic. Just my take, go in peace.
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