The last time I drove a pick-up the mud grips were a bit on the worn side and lost control during a heavy rain storm and flipped my pick-up. My "accessories" went rolling out the window and I haven't seen them since.
Drive a pick-up truck? They sell them as accessories.
Of course you have to trust your instincts since you can't trust your nuts.
Sometime I feel like a nut - sometime I don't. Honestly, I don't use Gold Bond regularly. I had a rash under my arms for a couple of months and GB gave me some relief from the itching but never cleared it up. I thought it was the riba. Doc in Atlanta diagnosed fungus infection. GROSS!!! Gave me Nystatin Cream and in a week I felt like a new woman instead of scratching monkey. Nystatin must be loaded with perfume because it smells better than my deodorant. Doc never metioned it might cause harm to my liver and I didn't question it because the itching was driving me NUTS (not those kind either). I have to trust my intstincts.
Trin
I'm not much of a researcher, especially since I misplaced my reading glasses at the beginning of tx five months ago and still haven't found them.
Still, this thread forced me to tackle some primary data about Gold Bond and I discovered something NYGirl never once mentioned. I often wondered why that late night comedian would periodically say "best thing since Gold Bond."
Heck, Gold Bond's main market is a nut thing!
And we gals don't have any.
Anyway, I can't post the link because it may be construed as dirty but it's the honest truth. Gold Bond is for nuts - those kind, boy kind, you know what I mean.
Someone says they are getting worse on Gold bond, and yet you think he should continue? Or are you saying it's inappropriate to give a specific answer to a specific question because then SOMEbody paying no attention will think gold bond can't be used? That's what it sounds like you are saying....
To: pilgrim
I know you can't use Gold Bond.
Stage 3 here as well. Your circumstances with treatment and mine are entirely different. I will spot you that. For me, no ER rooms, no drugs except tx, no rash. I'm not fair skinned or sensitive to most over the counter products. I have DONE my homework on the liver and I know what I am comfortable with. I don't think each and everything we come in contact with on a daily basis regarding hygiene or comfort needs to be scrutinized and looked at as a potential hazard to the liver. As I stated, new people here can get the wrong impression when they are told something as innocuous and lotion can be hard on the liver. I don't dissect things like you do MB - we have different approaches. BTW, I dont huff glue, paint or gasoline and I haven't joined the geriatric community yet.
you are missing the point. Of course people want relief and should get it.
however, every immune system is different. I cannot tolerate any perfumes they make my eyes burn and my nose go crazy.
Of course, I've been in ER from anaphalaxis from perfumes, they absorb through the skin, the liver tries to process, the histamines over react, next thing you know your lungs are shutting down and you look like a blow fish...alll from a little lotion.
OK, that may not be the NORMAL reaction...but we are dealing with people who are living with less liver then the norm, AND on Chemo therapy which suppresses their immune response. So my opinion is one may want to use a safe oil, and an anti itch drug known to be liver safe, and may fair as well or better then with gold bond.
It's just one opinion.....don't crucify me for it.
BTW...
"you do have to process everything you breathe and apply to the skin through the liver,"
every food, every thing in the air and even your shower water get's absorbed to some extent and can be reactive (especially chlorinated water).
so you want to avoid paints, solvents, and other things known to be hard on the liver.
Just as a pregant woman avoids these, because her baby's liver can't handle it....we need to realize now some of US have baby sized healthy liver tissue (I'm stage 3/4)...and act accordingly.
You do not have to agree with this, but do your own homework and you'll discover the liver has to deal with far more than we think.
I'm not sure lotions have to go through the same strict testing that drugs do.
Perfumes and exfolliants may be safe for general populace, but general doesn't mean everyone. there are still many that can cause serious reaction. that was my poiint, not that he shouldn't use the gold bond, but that if he is BECOMING REACTIVE as he described in his question...than what on earth would be wrong with A. educating him that it's not all in his head...and B. giving him a safer alternative?
Someone says they are getting worse on Gold bond, and yet you think he should continue? Or are you saying it's inappropriate to give a specific answer to a specific question because then SOMEbody paying no attention will think gold bond can't be used? That's what it sounds like you are saying....
what I am saying is ALL lotions have different ingredients. Some which irritate some skins, SOME which even add an irritant to their product to increase absorption, but that tactic backfires on some skins. Riba skin is especially tender...and addressing his concern was appropriate.
BTW I dealt chiefly with the elderly in my years doing physical therapy. I saw hundreds of skin conditions, and stroke victims with bed sores. Trying to keep their limbs from atrophy during stroke recovery also required my to use many creams and preparations in a effort to aide thie healing. So, I do have some knowledge of what I'm speaking of.
mb
What alkie threads? I can't even remember the last one-LOL! Only fish bones, juicers and clipper. This Gold Bond thing has potential tho.
Maybe we can cause a run on Gold Bond stock. That way we can save the economy and provide a nice golden parachute for NYGirl all at the same time :-)
Did you mean to say put Gold Bond in my fryer?????
I forgot to run the effects of coochie cream by my doctor too. Apply liberally :)
Previous: Did I mention that putting Gold Bond on the skin is like pouring gasoline on a plyer.
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Meant to say like pouring vasoline into a dryer.
Well, you know, the alkie threads have gotten a bit tame lately -- hopefully, the Gold Bond wars will carry everyone through the winter. Frankly, the more I hear about Gold Bond, the more I wonder what we are doing to ourselves lathering up with hepatoxic menthocaustic slime just to feel better. If you remember, it all started with NYGirl who rumor has it is now a major investor in Gold Bond. No wonder she doesn't want anyone to spend their money on drink post treatment when they could be spending it on Gold Bond. I mean it's just common sense, you know.
ROFLMAO!!
Thanks-I needed that.
I love this place =)
Did I mention that putting Gold Bond on the skin is like pouring gasoline on a plyer.
Trinity: I've never of heard liver damage from Gold Bond until now!
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Oh, yeah. For sure. But moderation is OK. I got studies, you know. One application per day for women and two for men. But never when treating, unless you're Of course your doc (and NYGirl's) may differ. But what do they know.
True or false? Will HepC ravage the liver faster than Gold Bond?
I'm not sure. I've had HepC for thirty-five years and nothing much happened. I tried some Gold Bond last week and now I don't feel so good.
Love you, Trinity, for your good sense as well as all the rest of your amazing attributes. And somehow your post gave me such a good chuckle tonight, just when I was feeling fed up with this endless tx.
I know you can't use Gold Bond. What I was trying to say is alot of people have including myself and it works very well. Fragrance free lotions are available and benefit many as well. I've soaked in the tub everyday of my life for many years with Bath & Body products full of perfurmes and God knows what else and I've never had any problems. I use their lotion everyday and my skin stays moisturized and itch free. I'm quite sure my liver hasn't suffered from it. I had to take a very high powered antibiotic (Levaquin) about a month ago and if I'd worried about what the medication insert said I could of suffered liver failure. What I avoided by taking the medication was pneumonia because the infection had to be dealt with immediately. We have to live as normal a life as possible with this disease and it's stressful enough having to deal with the virus and treatment. Can't sweat the small stuff. That was my point.
Trinity
The trouble is EVERYTHING has to be processed by the liver, and so even the supposedly mild gold bond can be hard on the liver.
There you go again MB. Good Grief, if Gold Bond helps use it. If an RX helps use it. We can't avoid all toxins all the time. If I recall, your taking some pretty harsh medications besides tx - some I wouldn't even take. Do you worry about the effects those will have on your liver? There are some things that have to be dealt with in the most effective manner possible and as quickly as possible. The man is suffering, he needs relief and doesn't need to worry about the effects unknown drugs or fragrances. Hepc will ravage his liver faster than Gold Bond. I've never of heard liver damage from Gold Bond until now! No warnings on the label that I can see. You may have good intentions, but many of your posts are over the top and make can make people paranoid.
Pilgrim, do what you have to do for some relief.
Trinity
how much is hydration, how much allergic reaction to the drug is why one size doesn't fit all.
also, the water and oils in lotions can me problematic. Many lotions are compounded with emollients and other irritants that actually are designed to force a pore to open and absorb the water and/or oils the body normally won't absorb.
For instance mineral oil is a main ingredient of most lotions and creams, the molecule is to big to absorb through the skin, so they get around this by adding chemicals to irritate the skin, at which point the pore opens larger to try to flush away the irritant, and the big greasy unhealthy mineral oil can seak in. They only use this method because it is cheaper to use mineral oil than oils that are good for you.
I use light olive oil in a tempid bath. a couple teaspoons in the water will coat your skin and hair, and leave them supple and less dry over time, helping reduce the rash, which is patrially due to dehydration.
Be sure you use tepid water, and don't stay in too long, as long soaks or showers can do more harm.
If you use an RX to help with the itch, at least you aren't getting unknown drugs that may be hard on your liver, and you aren't getting fragrances either. The trouble is EVERYTHING has to be processed by the liver, and so even the supposedly mild gold bond can be hard on the liver. My nose and eyes also reacted badly to it's perfumes,
I did try it, but it's not going to work for everyone.
mb
Definately stay out of the sun.....I am even getting my car windows tinted this weekend. I am a total vampire these days.
Complex 15 sounds like a good choice =)
Funny-our posts crossed....hope the atarax works well for you. You will get some good sleep from it, too!
Thanks for the replies. I did see the study team last Friday and the Dr. prescribed Atarax which I started on Tuesday afternoon. There is some improvement in the itch and my wife says the rash is better on my back, but that is where the itching is the most constant and irritating. I haven't bathed since Tuesday morning (yuch!) to try and give my skin a chance to heal a little, but was wondering if the GB might be too strong for my skin, which has always been on the sensitive side. I think I'll stop the GB for a while and give Cetaphil a try.
Has anyone use Complex 15 by Schering Plough? It's hypoallergenic and fragrance-free. I have used it on my face after shaving for years
It's funny, I have become very sensitive to the sun (even mentally) and that's before knowing how photo-sensitive we can become while on Tx. Makes me feel like a vampire!
Thanks again, Pilgrim
I have always found that the one thing that helps my skin usually ends up irritating it after some point so I can relate to that.
On tx tho, definately try something organic...or with no added fragrance, ect. Eucerin may be a good choice to try. I have been using no moisturizers at all on the areas where my rash is...just a mild cortisone cream from the dermatologist. Cortisone creams are allowed in this trial.
The study nurse says my rash is from the riba, not the telaprevir....but I guess we'll see if it gets better next week (12) when my triple therapy ends. Hopefully you will get some relief at that point as well.
Almost forgot...I take atarax for the itching-it's not as drying as benedryl.
I hope you find some relief soon. Hang in there :-)
Isobella
Some people in prior teleprivir trial report that little relief was to be found. But in your ongoing spirit of experimentation, try different products on each arm or leg to compare which, if any, may provide more relief.
How may weeks do you get the teleprivir. For example, it it elimated after 12 weeks?
It's contains menthol and other ingredients that can be very irritating to treatment sensitive skin. This is not a dig at "Gold Bond" but true of almost all moisturizers, at least for some of us. My dermatologist recommended the Cetaphil moisturizes and the Cream (not lotion) was the mildest. At one point my skin was so sensitive that all I could use was a Cetaphil mild cleanser without water per my derm's suggestion. Even water was irritating/dehydrating my skin (water ironically can be dehydrating). Bottom line if it works, fine. If it doesn't dump it.