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Hepatitis c
by Susan252, Jun 18, 2008 06:36AM
Please tell me where to go to find out where it is written that lloyd wright never had hepc, I am interested. Thanks, Susan
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We all wish it were not true. But it is.
Being an MD and also a doctor in Traditional Chinese Medicine, he practices Integrative Modern Chinese Medicine. He specializes in viral diseases. AND he definitely does NOT advertise that his protocol is a cure.
I have a friend who speaks very highly of him. My friend was cured through conventional Peginterferon Ribavirin treatment and also treated with the TMC with Dr. Zhang. I don't think he did it simultaneously, though. But it helped him a lot. I'm not sure about all the details, as I am friends with his wife.
I would NOT go for someone like Lloyd Wright, as he is not a medical nor herbal doctor. That should already be a warning. If you want to go through alternative treatment and take the watch and wait approach I would advise you to do it properly. With someone who has the knowledge of this complex disease.
His site is dr-zhang.com
Good luck,
Marcia
I have no knowledge of what LW's Hep C status is now or what it was, but I think that's missing the point. The point as I see it is that LW's advice is often inaccurate and quite irresponsible. And the problem/trap someone new to the game will have with LW is trying to figure out which information on his site is good and which is nonsense.
My main pick with alternative practioners like LW is that they turn a blind eye toward liver damage and offer basically the same advice regardless of stage and disease progression. More responsibe alternative practioners -- Dr. Misha Cohen and Dr. Zhang for example -- do take into consideration liver sage and I believe will urge their patients to get periodic biopsies to check first if there's time to hold off on conventional treatment and equally important, to monitor how fast or slow the progression is.
Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any of this basic, common-sense, responsible approach on LW's web site. So in my book that makes him ignorant and irresponsible at best and at worst, well, others can come up with the adjectives :)
-- Jim
I have not heard from an authoritive source that it is possible to be antibody negative for hepatitis C and have been infected.Quite the opposite in fact.I have observed this man's activities since 2000 and could entertain you for hours with details of the inconsistincies,changes of story and astonishing opportunism he has exhibted.I did challenge him head to head by email long ago but he was capable only of ranting.
Marcia
I think I read in one of your previous posts that you were a non-responder or had difficulty with the SOC...You need to stay as healthy as you can till there is something on the market that you can tolerate...so don't make excuses to anyone here, do what is right for yourself.
I am new here and I certainly appreciate that you gave information in good faith. I also appreciate that there are veteran members with knowledge and experience with all the different products on the market. We shouldn't discourage anyone from posting...I think some of the veteran members have seen the same info float on and off of this forum and, understandably get frustrated easily with such a sore subject.
I hope that you find a treatment that brings you SVR.
This forum will always be here to answer any questions that you may have, regarding tX, sides etc. We only want to help.
But dont judge us, because you dont know us!
good luck to you
peace
rita
Not true. Quite a few of us here have also researched Oxymatrine. I know i have.
Whats out there on it. One or two chinese studies that are full of holes.
Even the control arm manage to cure 5 patients from memeory and they were taking vitamins. Not sure which ones but they are not in the Multi Vit pils I am taking.
There is no excuse for emotional bullying.
Slagging off Lloyd Wright isnt emotyional bulling its warning people that the guy is a fraud and only interested in curing his own poverty. He aint going to cure anything else.
If Oxymatrine eases the symptoms of HepC then good but i want more than that.
CS
But again you are only pointing out the few disagreements instead of maybe thanking people who have genuinely answered your posts and came with sincere advice.
When you come onto a forum and post something, you always have to be prepared to get positive and negative feedback. You cannot expect ppl to agree with you on this guy who has even conned some of us who are on this forum. There are some ppl here who have had first hand bad experiences with Lloyd Wright promises. They have actually suffered as a consequence of his theories and promises, as they believed in it.
So don't feel personally attacked. People are putting their point of views out there, just as you did. And no one has insulted you or is doing any emotional bullying. Nobody has called you naive or stupid.
So please do not come and insult ppl on this forum.
The following words you wrote are SO NOT appropriate ....
'''Yes, I agree with you, it's like telling someone, "wow!!!!! I feel great, and then someone comes along and wants to bring you down cause they're down, I am not naive nor stupid. No the veteran members are still angry at the world for the way they were treated years ago, that's fine but don't project it onto me. There is no excuse for emotional bullying, I don't care how bad someone's past was'''''
If you are upset with certain ppl, you need to approach them directly and not just throw words like that in the air and accuse people, especially all the veterans who are here trying to help us with sound advice. These amazingly generous people don't even need to be here, as many of them have been cured and could just go on living there lives, not giving a da*n about US. But they DO and they ARE here. And I personally can only be DEEPLY GRATEFUL for that.
So try to be a bit more gracious and respectful. Coming into a forum for me is like coming into someones home. I introduce myself first and behave respectfully. I get to know the people and once I am more familiar I ask more questions.
It's like going into a pool. You do not jump before you have tested the water with your toes.
Marcia
Marcia
Marcia
if thats what it is then it got me i just did a search on mr wright....
i am not a fan of standard tx, it didnt work for me and i blame my gastro problems on it... but this guy is sure selling alot of stuff...
but i really do believe that certain herbals can make a difference, no they cant get rid of the virus but they can help your liver... i take milk thistle and LIV 52 for the last few years, eat lots of organics, drink lots of water, my ast/alt are just about normal, and all my liver function tests are normal, ultrasound normal, etc...
The problem with mr Lloyd Wrong is that he claims that whatever he has to offer is a CURE.
For myself, I HAVE decided to do SOC Tx and I hope it will work for me. If it doesn't, I will have to deal with that later. So at the moment no herbs for me either. I only take my krill oil in the morning and some raw organic whey protein. (thanks to gauf's posts, I was reminded that I still had a few unused ones in my cupboard)
Marcia
Brent
Susan, I'm going to take the approach that I believe you have not had success with treatment in the past. Sometimes people have doctors who are inexperienced with treating Hepatitis C .. I see that far more than I care to. And sometimes people have treated with methods that are no longer used and better ones exist. And then there are others who have treated with current drugs, it has not worked and so they are looking to alternatives to take care of their liver and keep themselves in optimum shape until they can treat again with a different approach, newer drugs or different dosages of drugs the next time around, perhaps in better medical hands than before.
I've been reading these boards for about 10 months now and while I'm in treatment now and haven't done alternative medicine, I read the posts of those who are on that path as a way of keeping the damage to a minimum while they wait for the next medical alternative as there are NO herbal or alternative medicines that have proven to be a CURE. It is IMPORTANT that you don't approach alternatives as a CURE but as a means to slow things down or improve your situation .. but not a CURE.
I would recommend you take a look at gauf's profile and I don't recommend lightly. He has alot at stake himself and he's put ALOT of time and effort into researching alternatives AND he has posted his information for the benefit of many.
Kind of hard to get your bubble bursted on someone you thought had good things to offer and find out he's actually just a shyster...kind of like dating a wonderful guy and finding out he's married. I would pay attention to what others in the SAME boat as you have to say about Lloyd Wright...and pay attention to what they have uncovered that DOES help with alternatives...even though it does not CURE.
Good luck.
Trish
Marcia
For this reason I studied herbology, became a physical therapist, became vegetarian, grew a half acre organic garden, raised my own bees for honey, milked upteen critters, feed the chickens for the good eggs, ground my own flour, baked my own bread,
and basically had a working organic farm with 500 critters throughout my 20's.
I also was liscensed and did physical therapy for both alternatives and orthopedic/stroke patients under MD care. Some was in office, some was in private homes for stroke victims...so yes I made house calls.
What I observed regarding the chiropractic/naturopathic community was that even when they learned and knew something was harmful, or ineffective, the alternatives I knew did not alter their ways. Every time I went with some concern, such as ephedrine, gotu cola, or any other element which was not just a benign placbo but a real health hazard they would look at me like I was the devil...
and go right on selling their vitamins full of dangerous elements.
Eventually, as my limited knowledge grew it became impossible to consort with alternative docs anymore because for the most part they ignored competant research, and put their patients at much higher risk overall than any other group (DO, MD) I worked with.
I found myself trying to redirect my patients to real medically trained physicians as it became apparent that no evidence would convince them they were wrong about anything.
To say that alternative doctors are not "in it for the money" the same as any other profession would be to deny what I witnessed for many long years, including the death or near death of several people under such care.
To quote one chiropractor..."if I could have afforded medical school I'd have gone".
I wonder...did he ever think about what not going was doing to the believers around him.
I say beleivers because, for some, alternative medicine is like a religion.
I say this having once been a believer, once blind, but now I see.
The fact that some belive, means if you question any of that...you are questioning their whole beleif system...which is why some get testy.
OK, I understand hope, I understand faith...what I don't understand is why even when something is said in love, not to belittle, but to educated...then why can we not do as St. Paul suggests..."come let us reason together".
At least pharmaceuticals are put through some number of years of tests to ensure safety and efficacy. No such requirements apply to the herbal/vitamin market.
The vitamin market has been much researched not only by the medical community but the agricultural department as well. So there is more knowledge and safety there.
The homeopathic/herbal/gismo machine market has had no similar scrutiny. Very limited testing yields very questionable results and/or benefit.
Look, I'm not saying their aren't some helpful herbs out their, or vitamins etc.
I'm just saying, there are a lot of people selling pond scum, or the equivalent...and convincing folks it's the fountain of youth.
Produce the science. Produce some documentation of cure, verifiable by regular laboratories and regular docs and x-rays.
If there is something valid, it should hold up to the light of day.
The truth is most treatments given by alternatives are not well researched nor in many cases are they safe.
The truth also is, most ailments remit on their own. The body itself has wonderful healing capacities so things atributed to some sugar drops are often just time and our aweinspiring immune systems having done their work.
Sometime people are helped to shrink a tumor by a better diet...and sometimes we find drugs in nature that do the same. All this is true.
However, I think it's important not to just assume any doctors know what they are talking about. I learned for instance, that the POPping sound your spine makes when "an adjustment" is given by a chiropractor, is merely the sound of air escaping from your disc cartilage, the same as when you pop a knuckle. This does not realighn your discs, and can do greeat damage to people with ruptured discs and or bone spurs. Yet every day people subject themselves to these treatments..and walk out feeling cured...only to be told they must return for 8 more treatments to "keep things aligned".
Come on over, I'll pop your knuckles for 40 bucks time 8...and you'll feel better because every muscle pull and sprain heals in that time frame...even when you do NOTHING. Your body heals itself. But hey...if some want to part with 320...well come on down!!
I could go on forever...but you get the idea. When people start trying to sell you thousand dollar machines and put you on hundreds of drops and pills that do not ever clear up or cure a condition....I'd say time to cut bait.
Like I said, I worked with both type docs, and learned a lot from both types. What I learned from alternatives was that they don't care about the science or what is really best for their patients. Often times they do not even suggest to them going to a doc for large lumps or changing moles, things they know may be carcinogenic.
In my capacity I told my patients to GO to a real physician and get checked...
How can I have respect for people who failed regularly to refer on conditions known to be life threatening? Answer I can't. That's just from my 15 years of exposure, and no one has to agree with me...but those tirelessly at work in labs with their microscopes trying to find any truly viable safe molecules, and doing the science to prove or disprove the voracity of any claims have my vote any day over those bottling up what grows in their garden and telling you not to worry while Rome burns.
rome burns:
If you have a life threatening illness, which HCV IS LIFE Threatening...then for gosh sakes do some homework and find out what will really work. Understand what the scienticfic method is, and why trials and proofs offer hope for hundreds of diseases that had none. If God didn't want us to use our brains, then why the heck did he give them to us? Surely not so we could just buy the newest chop-o-matic and every snake oil coming down the pike.
It's kinda like what happening is, I say this as a christian, God still heals people...I beleive that. He can do it through any and many means, he uses the surgeons hands, the devoted researcher, the tender nurse, and even the plants put here on the planet...but we still have to discover what they Do before we start taking them adhoc....or we can run the guy on TV waving his white Armani suit and saying swoosh...that fake Benny can spin his head around, he ain't healing anybody or anything...except his bank account. Which one day soon he won't take with him...
as I said, I say this as a christian...
aren't we all admonished to be aware there are wolves among the sheep...or as JC once said...."you only look to steal and snatch up widows houses". Well??????
And as to the guys selling rife machines, or "cool lasers" for a few Thou only...they are just putting their faith in another eternal principal....that there's a sucker born every minute.
Just my opinion, no need everyone share it, or hate me for it...it is what it is and I make no apology here.
My heart truly goes out to those being bilked....but at some point we have to ackowledge this is just part of the sad tradgedy that illness forces upon some.
It's very difficult for all of us to face our own demise....and not too unusual to be grasping at straws. Let's all just hope that reason and wisdom will prevail for all in the end.
mb
mb
I did not once attack the pharmaceuticals on this site, I agree with it actually, however, like I posted earlier, I did do the tx and I did not respond and believe me, if something better ever comes along, I will do it, in the meantime, I am trying to slow down this disease and feel better. As far as LLoyd Wright, I could care less about him, I was excited about the oxy, cause of the research I've done on google and plan on going to a medical library to do some more research on it.
I appreciate all the people that were sincere and respectful, I must admit that first response was pretty distressing to me, and I was pretty much reacting back to that. It's a shame that everyone else had to apologize for this man and he did not have the decency to step up to the plate and take responsibility for his own behavior.
I am a little curious about maybe people on this site that work for the pharmaceuticals, are promoting their tx, just as I was accused of a lloyd wright promo, my goodness, what about live and let live and allow others to make their own decisions on what works for them and be happy when one of us has a "good" day physically.
Again, I did not mean to upset anyone, and I am truly sorry that things got stirred up. That is what happens when there is no openmindedness and respect for other's choices. Thank you, susan
I also apologize to you for any unjust judgments and comments I made, but.... Well, I don't want to get into all that again. We should put it behind us.
So let's let bygones be bygones.
Marcia