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How much do blood counts bounce around
The question is for those off tx. A stage 4 - I was bouyed about 6 months ago when I saw my WBC and platelets had risen a bit from pre tx levels. PLatelets rose from 112 or so to 127, and WBC from 3.7 to 4.5 or so. Then 4 mos later, the counts are back where they were.
Do people find their blood counts generally bounce a bit? Mine could have been a one-time false high, a 1 time false low, a meaningless bounce about, or other. Comments?
Do people find their blood counts generally bounce a bit? Mine could have been a one-time false high, a 1 time false low, a meaningless bounce about, or other. Comments?
Speaking of Victoria's Secret....LOL
We would of course need to know sizing information....
Goofy don't think of Victoria's Secret and things bouncing around...
I'll be smiling when that jigglie bowl of cranberry sauce comes around the table.... :)
We would of course need to know sizing information....
Goofy don't think of Victoria's Secret and things bouncing around...
I'll be smiling when that jigglie bowl of cranberry sauce comes around the table.... :)
No offense meant to Jim, but my world went from soft and dreamy to hairy and boney in about two seconds flat. Flat being the operative word.
Thanks for your responses and well wishes, everybody. Here's to hoping the holidays bring a measure of cheer and joy to each of you. And that the reindeer don't poop on your carpet.
I suppose the next CBC will tell the tale of which way these things want to go. I was encouraged when they appeared to be trending up - so we'll see.
Child's 'bouncing around' comment brought forth a somewhat pleasing mental image - even if it was distant and unclear. Maybe a Step class with an array of bright and jiggling leotards :) Then Jim managed to improve that dreamy picture with his restraining comments - I thought, "Sure, the Goof could lend a hand of support there". Then it all came to a screeching halt when he brought the focus upon himself and my etheral mental movie crystalized into a picture of a skinny old dude wearing a wifebeater shirt with too much hair hanging out, and pulling it all together with a satin Victoria's Secret brassierre over top...... Eeeeeeeeech!~!!!
I suppose the next CBC will tell the tale of which way these things want to go. I was encouraged when they appeared to be trending up - so we'll see.
Child's 'bouncing around' comment brought forth a somewhat pleasing mental image - even if it was distant and unclear. Maybe a Step class with an array of bright and jiggling leotards :) Then Jim managed to improve that dreamy picture with his restraining comments - I thought, "Sure, the Goof could lend a hand of support there". Then it all came to a screeching halt when he brought the focus upon himself and my etheral mental movie crystalized into a picture of a skinny old dude wearing a wifebeater shirt with too much hair hanging out, and pulling it all together with a satin Victoria's Secret brassierre over top...... Eeeeeeeeech!~!!!
i dont know if this will help you, but i wanted to say that mremeet's theory seems to apply to me right now (49 of 72). a few months ago i quit my vigorous exercise when my
hemo dropped below 10. now, my ANC has dropped from 2000 to 600. the correlation appears to be meaningful. ill know for sure on my next blood count as i have restarted my exercise routine and am convinced it will bounce back. i am a fanatical believer
in appropriate exercise to help everything.
hemo dropped below 10. now, my ANC has dropped from 2000 to 600. the correlation appears to be meaningful. ill know for sure on my next blood count as i have restarted my exercise routine and am convinced it will bounce back. i am a fanatical believer
in appropriate exercise to help everything.
Hi, goof -- just my 2 cents, and I have very mild damage (g1, s1) but didn't clear --
The only thing that skyrocketed when I relapsed were the liver enzymes. They were in the 20s before treatment and rose as high as about 115 when I relapsed. Now they are back to the 20s again.
RBC pretreatment was 4.55, and was 4.4 at post 6 months.
WBC was 5.0 pretreatment and 4.1 6 months post.
ANC was 2.8 pre treament and 2.3 6 months post.
Interestingly, my platelets never have returned to pre treatment amounts. I started with 273 and at 6 months they were 194. I do think I bruise more now too.
The hemotologist told me that after chemo, white counts often never return to their pretreatment counts.
So what does it mean, oh mighty guru?
frijole
The only thing that skyrocketed when I relapsed were the liver enzymes. They were in the 20s before treatment and rose as high as about 115 when I relapsed. Now they are back to the 20s again.
RBC pretreatment was 4.55, and was 4.4 at post 6 months.
WBC was 5.0 pretreatment and 4.1 6 months post.
ANC was 2.8 pre treament and 2.3 6 months post.
Interestingly, my platelets never have returned to pre treatment amounts. I started with 273 and at 6 months they were 194. I do think I bruise more now too.
The hemotologist told me that after chemo, white counts often never return to their pretreatment counts.
So what does it mean, oh mighty guru?
frijole
As Child suggests, it depends whose chest the blood is in and whether restraining measures are taken during that time period. That said, in my case not much to bounce around, however I have noticed my WBC go in and out of "low normal" and other values to fluctuate a little. The numbers you gave seem normal variances.
-- Jim
-- Jim
I was in the VX950 trial and had to have a few blood workups within a few weeks of each other prior to commencement of the trial (i.e. before taking any drugs). I was surprised to see my HGB initially read 17, and then a a few weeks later drop to 15 and then go back up to almost 17 again just prior to taking my first handful of pills (and shot #1). I'm an avid mountainbiker which takes a lot of aerobic capacity to do well. There are days when I'm riding, and for no discernable reason I either ride like the wind and seem to have boundless energy...or I'm dragging a$$ and can't get out of my own way. After seeing how my HGB fluctuated over a short period of time like that (for no apparent reason), it made me wonder if my HGB fluctuates naturally more than I would ordinarily imagine...and it may play a role in my seemingly mysterious good and bad aerobic days.
Also, my ANC's fluctuated a lot during treatment. My doctor explained to me that a significant proportion of neutrophils are trapped inside of our bodily tissues (i.e. they are not always in solution within the bloodstream). But he explained that if you were to vigorously exercise for a significant period of time, many of those "sedentary" neutrophils within your bodily tissues would be freed up and mobilized by the muscular exertion and increased blood flow. He said if you were to sample the blood of a runner that had just completed running a marathon, you'd commonly see their neutrophil values measure much, much higher than if that same person had not been exercising for a long time. It's often stated that regular exercise strengthens the immune system - perhaps by increasing the neutrophil count within the bloodstream (remembering that neutrophils fight infection) this is one manifestion of that strengthened immune response?
Anyway, I've come to believe that our bloodwork ebbs and flows in many ways over time naturally more than we might imagine. The human body truly is a living, breathing and dynamic being.
Also, my ANC's fluctuated a lot during treatment. My doctor explained to me that a significant proportion of neutrophils are trapped inside of our bodily tissues (i.e. they are not always in solution within the bloodstream). But he explained that if you were to vigorously exercise for a significant period of time, many of those "sedentary" neutrophils within your bodily tissues would be freed up and mobilized by the muscular exertion and increased blood flow. He said if you were to sample the blood of a runner that had just completed running a marathon, you'd commonly see their neutrophil values measure much, much higher than if that same person had not been exercising for a long time. It's often stated that regular exercise strengthens the immune system - perhaps by increasing the neutrophil count within the bloodstream (remembering that neutrophils fight infection) this is one manifestion of that strengthened immune response?
Anyway, I've come to believe that our bloodwork ebbs and flows in many ways over time naturally more than we might imagine. The human body truly is a living, breathing and dynamic being.
I am only a few days post-tx goofy so I really should not respond - but I have always stuck my nose in where it isnt wanted so why change now :P
As far as I know I think WBC counts do bounce around.somewhat - and there are a multitude of reasons for them to be low.
Have you suffered from the flu of late? Perhaps you need a boost in folates or have suffered from some other type of infection that affects the immune system.
Also, as far as I can see using my own results, 3.7 isnt really that low anyway is it? Normal is between 4 and 11? ( Not that I don't understand your natural concern ) Perhaps at the time they were elevated a little you actually were fighting a minor infection and your count is normal for you.
I guess the your doctor is the one who would really know if there is something to be concerned about.
I know that throughout tx my wbc count would remain low but even within that low range it would bounce anywhere between .2 and 2.5 So there seems to be some room for movement there.
Just my 2 cents :D
Take care Goofy and I hope the post - tx world is generally being kind to you :)
As far as I know I think WBC counts do bounce around.somewhat - and there are a multitude of reasons for them to be low.
Have you suffered from the flu of late? Perhaps you need a boost in folates or have suffered from some other type of infection that affects the immune system.
Also, as far as I can see using my own results, 3.7 isnt really that low anyway is it? Normal is between 4 and 11? ( Not that I don't understand your natural concern ) Perhaps at the time they were elevated a little you actually were fighting a minor infection and your count is normal for you.
I guess the your doctor is the one who would really know if there is something to be concerned about.
I know that throughout tx my wbc count would remain low but even within that low range it would bounce anywhere between .2 and 2.5 So there seems to be some room for movement there.
Just my 2 cents :D
Take care Goofy and I hope the post - tx world is generally being kind to you :)
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