Interesting story about Scherring-Plough, and open post

[snook_man]

I came across this story today, and wanted to pass it on.. Many told me that my they did not believe my thoughts, or theory on Dr's, and thought this article was definately worth a read!! Exactlt what I have been saying for awhile. Dr's do not rx the best drug, just the one they recieve the bonus from, or sold their soul to!! Scherring-Plough also has lawsuit against them for cheating Medicaid. They did not provide them with the lowest cost, for treatment. Great company huh?? That article is on same website listed a few stories down.
http://www.hcvadvocate.org/news/newsRev/2004/NewsRev-55.html#4

[snook_man]

That is great, that your husband got into a trial. The question I think you are asking, or asumming is that pegysus is better, because they have not been caught?? No one has stated that here. My personnal preference when I return to tx will be pegysus, because I had severe sx's with the sherring peg. It has taken years, and bad publicity to get sherring to even offer these free trials.. The IDEAL study in which your husband is involved is funded by sherring, do you think the results will be fair, honest, or just one sided?? With all the profit the pharmacutical companies spend on pampering and pursuading Dr's into Rx'ing their meds exclusively, they owe it too people to give something back. This trial, is also just marketing scheme, not out of heart felt emotion, or good character. Just a good marketing strategy.. Best of luck to your husband and you!!

[sher_]

I just couldnt resist ! How is everyone ? Sherring Plough is sponsering my husbands treatment through a trial. We also, after returning from a few years in Mexico, couldn't get insurance, actually we were applying for insurance when we discovered through the required exam, my husband has the Hep C viris. We can get insurance but the premiums are about $2,500 a month for 3 people. Sherring is NOT the only greedy drug company, why would anyone even think that? The trial my husband is involved in ,is Pegasy vs Peg Intron, to see if any, which drug has better results. Sherring pays for ALL tests, meds, doctors, eye exams, shrinks, Ads, procrit, shots and Riba. There are 3,000 people doing this trial.We are greatful for this trial obviously, but I dont get the point here. Because there is no class action suit against makers of Pegacy {that anyone is aware of} it is a better drug company? Please enlighten me !

[derail]

as i have previously stated, we need to stand up AND FIGHT for our rights and not sit on the fence so much Any decision, even the wrong one is better than sitting in  the middle of denile and for those bad it geography,thats in Egypt. Its time for each of us to sh*t or get off the goldarned pot. we all have achoice but not all use it . IN our last election only 60% of elible voters bothered to vote. I think laws needto be passed to make it mandatory to vote as they do in Australia Their last election had a 99% turnout .If only we could achieve 80% think of the differences that would make to the socalled immoral majority. As for a tag team match, no problemo I still have my golden gloves. ......Daryl

[snook_man]

DonL: Let the death match begin!! Am I mad?? Do I seem frustrated?? I am not?? I must be coming across agressive, in your eyes, or you must be insecure in your claims. Again, you do not address the questions at hand, but answer selectively. Read my post, again, take it too heart, and then answer again. Do not talk about a news reporter in Ireland, or bring the president in staff into debate. Yes, I answer aggressively, as I am amazed at the level of exceptable deception in the US!! The president and staff answer that way too, as they are in a celebrity death match everyday!! They can not take a sh@t without criticism. No support, from their country, would you not be defensive. We ARE supposed to stand for our country, Not against them!!! Like I said before, we are our own worst enemy. The difference between today, and years past, when the government used to work together, is respect, and mutual understanding. Even if you did not agree, you would not dishonor the troops and the president. This makes our country weak, as other countries see the confusion, and feed off the weakness. I'm sorry for your misconception of reality, and pray for immediate enlightenment!!

Cuteus: How can I say anything to argue with you. You sit back, soak up everyones comments, and then precisionly place a brilliant remark. I do not agree with some, but you are far more subtle and polite than most. I cannot argue with my crutch, you kept me standing when I needed help, so Thank you.

Daryl: This might end up to be a tag team death match, so I might be lookin to the ropes at some time!! LOL!!!

Newsourjn: I know your story, and I am grateful for your advice, but disagree with your outlook on healthcare. If you are uninsurable, does that mean medicaid will not touch you?? I do not understand?? My mother has nothing, hep c, a brain disorder, and has full 100% free insurance from medicaid. Does not even pay a dollar for meds or anything!! I am outraged at your nephew, commenting on being against the war. He signed up for it, and you always do not get to sit around the base, and barbacue in the uniform. I wish I could go over there and fight for my country, but I was dinied entry. When would probably win more battles if we had half the courage of our grandparents and fathers. He is a disgrace to the military, and should be dishonorably discharged!! That is the difference between soldiers, and supporters now a days, back during WWI, and WWII, soldiers did not question, they fought!! People did not question, they supported!! I'm not even old enough by standards to know this right?? Young buck doesn't know what he is talking about right?? Am I not dead on point??

[new-sojourn]

The plight of the uninusred will be a major political point of debate.  The plight of the uninsurable is slightly different.  I moved over the county line and the Blue Cross that covered me in Alaska, Mexico, EU, Africa, California, Hawaii, Oregon, Iowa would not cover me one county over.  Now, w/the hep c dx, no insurance company will cover me no matter what I am willing to pay.  No private insurance @ any price period.  I suggest you keep your insurance @ all costs, b/c once you lose it, its gone forever.  And then you'll find out that rich or poor, Democrate or Republican, you will be uninsurable by private co's.

  By the way, I voted Republican solid until this year when I'm voting for the 2 Johns-Kerry and Edwards.  And my only sister-deceased-only son is a delta dude in the mts lookin for ben boy.  And he's dead set against the Iraq war, altho he was setting the lazors to guide the bombs over Bagdad a little over a year ago, 1000 lives ago.

[derail]

cuteous very pertinent points What both our countries need is a good 5cent nickel; remember common sense ain't so common any more; is it?
Daryl

[cuteus]

WOW! I love the way you express your views, It is the way I would like to do it also, but I am not a fact/date gathering person and I try not to generalize blame by throwing around labels(except the die hard republican one, ;-}). People like me need people like you who can bring out facts, their possible accuracy due to its source and motive and present it in a nonthreatening, accusatory manner for us to assess.
Our country loves labels and part of our problem is that we use them to simplify the complexity of our problems. Liberals and now treehuggers have become dirty words and labels thrown around to shut up dissenters. Animal rights activists are now terrorists, dissenters=antiamericans or wimps and cowards if it is directed to France.  Racist if you point out the loopholes in the antidiscrimination laws, anti seniors if you try to encourage driver testing for the aged, and on it goes...
balance is what we seem to be lacking; balance between "developers" and the environmental destruction(why are our needs above that of the other species everytime?), in the end a "Silent Spring" might be the outcome of this inbalance; there is a lack of balance bt the poor and the wealthy, bt profit and greed, bt discipline and abuse, balance seems to be the "unreachable star".  You get an organization that tries to correct an imbalance and the pendulum swings to the absurd extreme (ADA is one good example). when a 500 yr old castle is required to modify its access by building elevators, it is absurd. when we have twenty empty handicapped spaces in a crowded parking lot is ridiculous, their attempt to a balance created a bigger one.  I truly don't believe we will achieve balance, because money talks louder and common sense is deceased.

Let's address our problems without labeling our opponents for the sake of ending a disagreement in our favor.
Keep up the good fight those that have the energy to do so now.

[DonL]

I suggest a celebrity death match some place. It would fun.

Look, no institution is perfect. I agree that a lot of class action suits (McDonald's coffee for one) are moronic, but things like affirmative action started as a way to provide better (and temporary) access for individuals who had been denied it by states and the US govt. Feminazis are not the cause of all that is wrong in the world. In fact, I kind of like the changes that women have forced in society.

Some facts I would like to quote:
Stocks were low for 3 years of the current administration.

The entire media is at fault for rolling over and playing dead to this administration. What happens when a real reporter in Ireland asks tough questions? They attack her not the fact that she asked questions that the US public, if no other, is entitled to ask.

Actually, we all agreed with you more or less on the pharmaceutical company, it was only after C13 that politics came into it. Try to remember that we disagree with facts and that expressing this disagreement is not the same as attacking the messenger.

i agree with you on the Saudi royal family. I am not advocating aid to the Saudis. I am advocating a systematic attempt to remove their sources of money by finding other oil sources.

The Arctic Oil Reserves have 6 months of oil. Is that worth the damage to, yes, an ever-shrinking amount of unbuilt-up land?

I am not in favor of terrorism. I am not in favor of chopping off peoples' heads.  I think fundamentalists of all sorts are trying to return the world to a vision of something that never really existed and is doomed to failure and something I would oppose on general principals. I don't like to see Americans dying, especially when these are patriotic men and women whose patriotism is being exploited and who are suffering for what a lot of evidence (including the govt's own memos and documentation) shows to be a lie. And I hate that the government wants to remove more and more freedom in order to protect it.

Anyway, I love to see you get all upset. Sort of like Chaney when someone asks him about sweetheart deals or providing access to public documents. Sort of like Bush when someone asks him a question he can't answer with a stirring phrase. Sort of like Rumsfeld when anyone questions, well anything.

Rage on, Snook man. This is America--you can't have me shot and I can't have you shot, no matter how much we disagree. I like it that way and I will fight to protect it.

[snook_man]

More rambling from tthe loon!! HA HA HA!!
By the way, what you said about our founding fathers, was right on point!! Yes, they where all different politically, and worked together to make this a greater place. Today,we have forgotten totally what we are trying to achieve, a functional better place to live!! I believe the reason we can not work together now, is everyone is only looking out for self interest. The founding fathers created the constitution as a guideline, and not to be abused. Today, we have people that abuse the constitution and are justified. Do you think these same founding fathers had that in mind?? Would they have not ammended it?? What they created, worked, but is our enemy now. Too many people justify their actions based on it, even though it is unhuman.Then, it is easily overlooked, in Clintons case?? What kind of guidelines are we supposed to follow??

[snook_man]

Oh ****, hide the republicans are coming!!! The republicans are coming!!
I do agree with you that no one is perfect, we are human, and that is our flaw by nature. I also agree that Unions, and institutions are currupt. Unions are ridiculous!! A leagal mob of thugs. They cause more harm than good, based solely on greed and laziness. Their good tactics cost higher prices for everything, boy thanks!!
Yes, Regan was honored as a hero, and why?? Other presidents have done more. He was the reason for most of the defecit!! Can we say affirmative action?? Boy, did you ever think the bag boy with no education or experience, would be the manager just because of color?? Publix supermarkets just had a class action lawsuit, because one black man said that there was not enough black mangers. Every black person that works for the company recieved a check for $375, and now the prices reflect the payout!!! Free programs are destructive, and a waste of money. Too much of the funding goes to administration, and members of their families or friends. The people that truely need the aid never recieve it. As for the current Bush, has he created the defecit?? Are we not feeling right now, and all this caused because of some down syndrome idiot named Clinton?? The economy is still booming.Realestate is at the highest prices ever, and people still buying, and investing. Stocks are still high, except when the media runs a scare story about terrorism, everyone sells. We are allowing these Arabs to effect the entire stucture in the US.
As for oil, we are dependeent on the middle east.Now if Norway shuts down, we will definately feel the effect. Yes, there is only a few in those countries that are rich, but rich is not the word, filthy rich is more like it!! Billions, hiding in their private castles. That is why we are over there. To try and place a government in place that will use the revenue from oil production to better the country, Make a democracy, and give something back to its people. Of course there will still be greedy people out for their own, but it will surely be better than a dictatorship!!! I believe what your saying is that we should not be over there, but just send aid?? Would that ever be dipersed?? Would greedy dictator not just pocket the aid as isn't that what has been happening for decades?? We have enough oil reserve here in the US to supply our needs. There are also many untapped wells that we are not allowed to drill, because treehuggers do not allow the oil companies to drill new sites, so they are forced offshore, which makes the cost per barrel higher.. So it does have a price, and the middle east is something we can not just let be exploited. Most of the funding that Al queda recieves is from the royal families in Saudi Arabia, and Iran, just to keep them from blowing up there own people, and causing terrorism there.. I do watch Fox news, and lots of talk radio shows. I have steered away from CNN, as they are so liberal and cause as much bias and terrorism threats as the Al Queda themselves. The senator, John Kerry that your obviously voting for, where has he been?? Does he not have a elected responsibility to sit for senate votes?? He has missed 84% of this years meetings and votes.. Imagine the laziness, and desructive self intentions if ever put into higher power. Like Clinton, giving out pardons to murderers, and embezzlers, the day he left office.
No one or nothing is perfect, and that is why we have a democracy of the people made up of all voices and outlooks. If it is not working, you blame the president?? Why not blame congress, or the house. That is where the laws and ideas start?? Write your congressman, and hassle him to do his job!! Don't point the finger at one man, you state you do not like bullying, right?? Again, here I posted a story about a currupt pharmacutical company getting caught, and I got attacked on politics.If you are so out spoken, and want to make things right, voice yourself where it can do good. Write your local mayors, congressman, and let them know how you feel. People do need to be heard, to make the changes. Good day, Snook

[derail]

well put I can accept an informed choice but like you, I suspect,hate being told smile when you bend over it wont hurt a bit.....
Daryl

[DonL]

I don't disagree that the idea of rehabilitation and social engineering has not worked. The New Deal did work but if you read the papers of the time, Roosevelt was worse than the devil. Unions are the reason the work week is 40 hours, not 48. But all institutions need to change and unions are no different.

But I would lay a little blame on the non-liberals as well. I'd say Lee Atwater and Carl Rove have as much or more to blame for the current state of American political antagonism as any do-gooders. (Lee Atwater died repenting his tactics--does that tell you anything?) I'd look at the (sainted) Ronald Reagan and the current Bush as the two presidents who created the largest deficits in American history without the help of Democrats (who are the party of "fiscal irresonsibility").

As for oil, in my opinion, the best solution is renewable energy. Take 70% of the oil money away from the Middle East and poof, there goes the funding for terrorists as well as the importance of that part of the world. The Middle East history is one of enormous wealth (spice trade, silk trade, oil) coupled with periods of poverty when the tides of commerce shifted. In every case, the wealth is concentrated in a few families.

Snook, the biggest problem I have with American politics these days is that name calling and spurious facts have replaced any kind of debate. The Founding Fathers were not some band of angels, working as one. They argued, there were cliques, parties, conflicting interests and opinions and they still worked together to create a country that was not perfect, but was the best attempt yet seen.

Yet, in this country, if you disagree with the President or the neocon analysis of anything, even if you are a loyal Republican like McCain, the machine seeks to destroy the person and not the ideas. Say what you like, it was the Rebuplicans who perfected that strategy, not the Democrats. Look at the facts, Snook man, not the ravings of any TV shouting head. It is so much easier to reduce everyone to stereotypes.

I'd love to call you all the names I have stored up. We could insult each other till we both ran out of breath. But I'd rather beat you with real-world information than having a better insult. You can shout about liberals and I can shout about neoconservatives, but unless we are prepared to exterminate every one who disagrees with us, we're all gonna have to find a way to live together.

[cindee]

HEY guys, I for one enjoyed the debate. derail, I had no idea health care was so tough up there in Canada too. TY both so much for your enlightness. You've opened my eyes, now that I see both sides. AND SNOOK-MAN...your words, I have never said it that way...but you said it, exaxctly how I think our government @ health care issues go....you got it right as far as I'm concerned!
Sincerely to you both, Cindee

[Sam Hall]

It's well known that the US has the best health care system in the world for those ensured but i have to say in the UK for all it's faults i never handed over a penny for any tests consultations or tx. I know i pay my national insurance by proportion out of my wages but how many times have i been to the GPs over the years etc. I fear being i'll but not cos of the money and i dont mind suppoting the guy in the gutter either(i'm something eh? heart the size of a disabled toilet).
Sam

[cindee]

I apologize :) Cindee

[derail]

ya i agree with you totally re the treehugging idiots who dont know sh*t from putty and couldn't find their arse with both hands and a flashlight Iwasn't venting at you per se just venting  im sick and tired of all the **** and nothing changes
when I was a rebellious lad in the early 60's we changed the system a heck of a lot but the socalled leaders have F**ked up everything so bad by listening to the treehugging idiots  and faruot ideas about loving  everything it makes one sick In toronto they spend an average of 65,000 per year helping each street person and all that happens is their numbers grow. Iwonder why all the money floating around hasn't solved the problem because for every $ spent on the homeless has some liberal dogooder earning 10 dollars paid for by the suckers who pay even more taxes the idiots could solve the problem but then they would be unemployed and the a**holes couldn't dare do that could they. Yea I know I'm a hardass  and i dont understand is all the answer i ever get when questioning the socialistic behaviour later pal, it seems like nothing changes doesn't it
DARYL

[snook_man]

My comments where not directed at you. I know nothing about politics in Canada, except that do not work. As for free healthcare, your personal experience can atest to how it does not work. Can't have too many hungery people trying to feed at the same table, the little guys will never come out full.. Snook

[snook_man]

LOOK, HERE I AM, "THE RADICAL REPUBLICAN"...
ATTACK,ATTACK,ATTACK. OR SHOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE CAUSING ALL THE TENSION: OIL PRICES(ARAB FUNDAMENTALISTS), PRICE OF MEDS(PHARMACUTICAL SELF INTEREST), PRICE OF HEALTHCARE(LAWYERS),THE FEDERAL DEFECIT(GOVERNTMENT FUNDED AGENCIES,AND PROGRAMS), AND THE DIVIDED NATION IN WHICH WE LIVE( LIBERAL TREE HUGGERS)!!!
I HAVE BEEN OUTCAST, SO I THINK I'LL GO SIT UNDER A TREE, AND WAIT FOR MY FREE PROGRAMS, OR A LIBERAL TO GIVE ME A HUG AND REHABILITATE ME...THATS ALL THE ARABS NEED RIGHT, A HUG AND SOME FEDERAL AID?? THEY WOULD DEFINATELTY JUST PUT DOWN THE BOMBS, AND THE HATRED, AND RETURN THE LOVE RIGHT??

[derail]

I am not asking for free i paid for over 30 years steadily increasing personal taxes, business taxes corporation taxes ,health taxes  insurance premiums adnausium and generally 45% of my net went to taxes  of one form or another I'm not asking for free, never did; but when i needed the so called free system that  I paid for  i at least expected some help with the meds as would any rational person But it still cost me $103,484.00 to pay for critical meds when i needed them .If i hadn't paid in 35 years $475,000.00 in direct income taxes plus
all the aditional taxes ,i would not complain as i would have no reason to . IT would be the same as you paying your insurance payments to only find out you aren't covered for chemo or what ever because you still have your left nut attached .Get real nobody can honestly expect a free ride but what about if you have paid the fare? I can go on for hours about the injustice of our system i really get pissed when someone who knows little about Canada's so called social system because it only works for the wealthy. cripes even couchpotatoes hubby had to wait for room in a hospital before he was transferred .Don't dare infer I expect free ehen you know little abuot the circumstances here and If i offended you , don't take it personal. I'm just venting again.. LATER Man ..daryl

[snook_man]

Right, most Americans are dependent, not independent.. Get a job, start a business, sell something. Many people pay for meds out of pocket.There is opportunities for everyone. Don't preach about what you feel the government owes you, cause we are all owed something.. The difference is some of us except that we'll never get anything from them, so we try to earn it!!! Yes, I am fortunate to have health insurance, and I am blessed. But I work for it, and pay my dues. My job just does not offer it to everyone, they set earning requirements to meet to be eligable. If I did not have insurance, I would sign up for a clinical study, or sit down at the county hostpital and wait my turn, like everyone else. You can go too any privately funded hostpital, and go into Pastural care, and talk to someone. They fund surgeries and urgent care, almost daily. My brother in law has no insurance, broke his cheek bones, nose, and jaw. He went in, pleaded his situation, and was given a free surgery for everything, two days later. He now cuts the plastic surgeons lawn once a month, but otherwise it was 100% free. Can't depend on the government for everything, some things you have to get done on your own. We all can't sit around and wait for the free checks!!

[new-sojourn]

So, you're in favor of free meds for hep c b/not the sx's?  what about now, if you lose your insurance for whatever reason, you would now be uninsurable--maybe for life.  so how does the average, hard working person suppose to pay for that heart attach waiting down the road?  Or that genetically caused disease(diabetes? cancer?)to occur.  For the rest of your life.

I've been up and I've been down, i've been rich and poor, insurable and now uninsurable.  It's best to be up, rich and insurable.  B/that's not the reality for the majority.

[snook_man]

Nothing is free. We can complain about free healthcare and meds, but where is the funding coming from?? Taxes will increase, and government will be deeper in your families pocket. Americans need to be responsible for their own, and stop depending on government.Now maybe the government should step in and force pharmacutical companies to give meds at cost price, or provide more free clinicals, but not support all that open a hand. Lets just sit back and watch the deficit grow!! I watch Cubans here in Miami, get off the boat, and recieve medicaid, welfare, public housing, and work programs. Now if I need any of that, I do not qualify, even though I as a tax paying HARD working citizen, am paying for their benefits. One thing that I do agree with, is taking it to the polls.

If you read the article I posted above, pharmacutical companies where paying Dr's $1500 for every patient signed up for a clinical, then charging the patient full price for meds, or billing their insurance. Sherring-Plough reported 8.3 Billion last year, and is now just starting to do fully funded clinicals..8.3 billion is what they reported, so how much do you think was written off for expenses, like Dr's dinners, vacations, consultation fees, etc.. Shouldn't that money have gone towards research, or free clinicals. They stated that most of budget is geared towards marketing not research. We should ask them for nationwide health care, think they"ll listen?? Haha!!!

[derail]

up here in canuck land we have a socalled free med system that we pay large for and the pols screw around with it then cut services ,readd at their whim when elections are called and we still get screwedwith out so much as a kiss. if Judy didnt have a medical insurance plan from her work  I'd. be dead by now . when I went thru' chemo for cancer a few years ago it cost in excess of $100,000. for non govt.paid drugs   so muking fuch for our social med coverage

[new-sojourn]

Scherring-Plough provided all my meds free.  I would not be alive w/o them.  The real problem is the lack of a national health plan that is free and accessible to all.  Until we have that, as every other 'westernized-industrialize' nation in the world, the smae old, same old will prevail..  Shame on America and our leaders.

The system is corrupt and will remain corrupt until the current system is thrown out and health care is nationalized.  So put your outrage where it will really matter-at the ballot box.