Leaked shot

I did my shot in my thigh thur. night shot 27/48 here's my problem I have no fat on my thigh lost it all during tx took my shot and I think it leaked out. seen a wet spot were the injection site was on my shorts usally get bad sides by sat. nothing yet I.m a little worried

[tulsatime]

I have heard of this happening to a friend before. Some of the shot came out when she injected her thigh. In fact that is why I use my stomach. I am sorry this happened I know you must be concerned. I would call the Dr first thing Monday morning.
Good luck, Take care and try not to worry until you find out more info. Debi

[wonderingwhen]

This happened to me while I was injecting, plastic head of needle was fulty and I lost some of the med, leaked down my leg. That was about shot 42, I just did 48 last night.

I informed my Dr the next visit which was three days after shot, his thoughts were with  Peg that it wasn't anything to worry about on a one time basis.
I still think you need to tell your Dr. but don't stress over it.  Good luck.

[52TELE]

hep , I'm trying to think about how that could happen , I mean , for the med to not go into your leg , regardless of fat or no fat. Was the needle all the way in? Do you realize yet that when you first load the redipen , some of the med leaks out , and then after you discharge it into your leg , or wherever , you need to hold it there till the count of 5 to insure it all gets in there. These may be really stupid questions to be asking you and if so , I apologize , but Im just kind of trying to figure out what the problem could be.

[lilmoma]

Everything I have read states "80% of the meds, 80% of the time and you should be okay.I am not endorsing being sloppy about your med schedule,....but am saying a "one time" screw-up should not alter the outcome of yoour SVR.

[sfbaygirl]

I forget who posted their injection story about pinching their stomach and the needle going all the way through and it leaked out all over their stomach. Pretty funny, but not.

How much leaked out? A lot of times a bit leaks out, sometimes more. It would have to be a large amt on your shorts for it to be the whole injection. Maybe you got some of it and your sx are just not so bad this time.

[OnAPrettyPoison]

I had an incident where the shot leaked between the needle and the syringe when I was injecting into my thigh.  Jim & Goofydad came to my rescue!  Goofers suggested I try to "recreate" how much was lost.  Impossible cause mine leaked to the floor and the dog licked it up!  Everyone on the board was laughing about it!  I called the Pegasys nurse in charge hotline, they just took my info, were reporting me for not having a full dose, and told me to call my doctor.  Doctor on-call said not to worry about a one time incident.  A week later Strator did the same thing injecting into his tummy!  The moral of the story is don't worry about it.

[way]

I think you are supposed to leave the syringe in place for a second or two before pulling it out. (advice from JM) This prevents the meds from leaking out of the needle hole.

I've never done this and always have a little tiny spot of inf where I pull out the needle, not enough to sweat.

[52TELE]

maybe is WAS sweat. (:(:

[way]

At least it wasn't blood...

[GoofyDad]

Hey I remember that story! Remind me, was it you who ate that condom -- or am I mildy confused again???

;-)

[jmjm530]

I should probably add that one of the doctor's cited has successfully treated for Hepatitis C. Not a likely candidate for an alcoholic.

[Snookmiester]

Sorry, but I'll take the advice of the Dr's leading the research, the DR's attending the conferences, and oh by the way, the Dr's usually speaking or honored at the conferences.. I'll believe them over a Dr that knows of HCv only because he had a 30 minute power point presentation, and might have read about one of the other Dr's in a journal anyday..

[Kalio1]

I posted an essay on additive thinking that shows justifications people use as a part of that thinking process. Like Grand Oak said so well, people will use ANY excuse or justification for the behavior. That is what addiction is. If you don't know drinking alcohol AT ALL is bad for anyone with liver damage then you just don't want to know, no study no doctor and certainly not me will convince you otherwise. If your happiness and life pleasure feels compromised if it doesnt include at least some alcohol some way some how some day, that by definition is addictive thinking.
If you really want the studies google "alcohol and liver damage"
the info is readily available.

[Kalio1]

PS. Doctors have one of the HIGHEST rates of alcoholism of any profession, the person's comments you refer to are not outrageous at all considering the high incidence of alcoholism amongst doctors.

[jmjm530]

Let me get this straight. People that don't agree with you on this issue have addictive personalities. Doctor's that don't agree with you are probably alcoholics. And, oh, yes, people that don't agree with you on post treatment side effects are "fear mongers". I think I see a pattern here of demonizing/name calling in lieu of facts. Others and myself posted some recent studies and comments by some well-respected hepatologists on this issue. People will make up their own minds.

[hippygem]

The same thing happened to me, but i used to do it in my stomach, im pretty sure that it happened because i injected too fast and it spurted out.  Always make sure that you inject it slowly, take your time.
I even forgot to tap it and push a little bit out to get rid of the bubbles, the brain fog, and not thinking straight is a real problem, you have to really focus on what you are doing when your day comes to inject, go slow and make sure you do it right.
Anyone got any thoughts on the bubble thing, ive been a bit worried about it now for years, well since i stopped the treatment, 2004, thinking maybe ive created a blood clot somewhere.???

[Kalio1]

You always go to this defensive place with this subject. I am just sharing info on a subject that touches many, myself included.




"Me thinks he protesteth too much."

Shakespeare

[GoofyDad]

"Dat dere pot be callin' da kettle black"

-- Aunt Jemima

[Kalio1]

LOL Goofy you are such a goof.

[Snookmiester]

Funny, the same person arguing today is the same person that was so defensive as to the effects of smoking and liver fibrosis. Yet, has since stopped, and even gone as far as posting articles on the ill effects caused by tobacco..
But as with every previous debate, supplementation for example, has resorted to warped personal analogies in lieu of the credible opinions and advice of world renowned Dr's...

But hey I'm an addict...Damn, and I'm late for happy hour with my Dr's.. LOL

[Snookmiester]

Ohhh, almost forgot..I wanted to act smart too?

"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."

[Kalio1]

My beef in the smoking argument was NOT in any way in defense of smoking nor have I ever disagreed with the idea that smoking is bad or any other negative thing about smoking, smoking has OBVIOUS health consequences. I raised 3 nonsmokers in spite of the fact I smoked and I am married to a nonsmoker for nearly 30 years now. I do not advocate it at ALL. It is an addiction, period. You seem to misquote and misconstrue what people say on a regular basis much like the "fear monger" comment I made that has been so grossly misquoted and misrepresented and taken out of context here over and over. My problem in the smoking issue is with the judgemental, self righeous people who's rude, in your face/space behavior towards smokers in spite of the fact that ALL public places and confined spaces are now non smoking they now want the whole earth including the out of doors and even people's OWN HOMES AND CARS and entire towns to be nonsmoking. Much to their chagrin, the world does NOT belong solely to them. That is taking the "do it my way" thinking to ridicuous extremes. I no longer smoke but I will not ever join the ranks of militant nonsmokers who use trumped up "health" claims to bolster their rudeness. There is no way I believe that smelling a wiff of a passing smokers smoke harms your health, it just bugs them so they get all in your face and rude about it.
There are some poor souls who's health is affected by smoke be it cig smoke or fireplace smoke or car exhaust and perfume but they unfortunately suffer everywhere from everything blowing by them in the air even pollen, their lives must be difficult but wont be improved even if smoking was banned from the earth.
Just this once I have responded to a post by you to set the record straight, I will continue my previous nonresponsivevness in the future so dont expect a response.
Now I have to run, I am late for lunch with Oprah.
;P

[Snookmiester]

I couldn't have said better myself!!!

"You always go to this defensive place with this subject. I am just sharing info on a subject that touches many, myself included."




"Me thinks <strong>she</strong> protesteth too much."

Shakespeare

[jmjm530]

Kalio: You seem to misquote and misconstrue what people say on a regular basis much like the "fear monger" comment I made that has been so grossly misquoted and misrepresented and taken out of context here over and over.
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If there's one thing I hate more than being "misquoted" and "misrepresented" it's being suggested that I misquoted or misrepresented or taken someone else's statement out of
context :)

Here is your "fear mongering" statement in full glory, and in context, with a link to the applicable thread.


Kalio:
6/19/2006
C32
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/hepatitis/messages/41246.html

"...IF reearch proves this issue to have ANY bearing on our health THEN it will have relevence. Until then it is fearmongering to focus on "occult" or "persistent" virus like it is really happening and affecting people's lives and it isn't.
It does scare people for no good reason just like the subject of "post tx" issues does because MOST people do not ever have these issues but before you tx it is yet another thing to worry about so people decide not to tx based on the idea they will be stuck with all these issues when the truth is a very small number of people are left with long term issues and those issues were most likely existing before tx and exacerbated by the tx not CAUSED by it..."


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[jmjm530]

Just to clarify I understand that you weren't referring to me when you said "You seem to misquote and misconstrue what people say on a regular basis"...however, I do assume you were referring to me regarding my reference to your "fearmongering" statement whre you suggest that it has "been so grossly misquoted and misrepresented and taken out of context here over and over.

BTW good luck with trying to stop smoking. I smoked for 20 years and quit over 20 years ago. Smokeenders http://www.smokenders.com/
was an enormous help for me and if you ever need assistance, I couldn't recommend them enough.

The other thing to keep in mind is the misconception that the more times you fail to stop, the less likely you will be able to stop smoking. In fact, a study suggested that those who successfully finally stopped smoking often had a history of many failed attempts. In my case I probably tried to stop literally a hundred times and it was the 101st that was succcesful.

A health scare, like you're experiencing, is often the best motivation for stopping addictive behavior like smoking and should make it easier. The first six weeks are the hardest. If you can make it six weeks, you can make it forever.

-- Jim

[Kalio1]

That fear mongering comment has been thrown around by many, not just you, I wasn't referring to you per se although you have thrown it around a time or two. LOL
I appreciate your support on the smoking thing.
Wow, that is some file system you have to find that.

[jmjm530]

I had an easy time stopping around 30 years ago, the first time I had AFIB (atrial fibrillation) and ended up in the ER.  Nothing motivates you like the fear of dying. LOL. Eventually, I did go back to smoking but finally stopped around 20 years ago not only because of my family's bad cardiac history but simply because I realized it was so bad for my health in general. Too bad, cause I really enjoyed them with my beers. LOL.

-- Jim

[Kalio1]

PS.I stand by my "fear mongering" statement although I refuse to get into a discussion about it! Been there done that.

The single most hepful thing to me in stopping smoking so far has been when the urge arises I tell myself "wait 5 minutes" It works well.

I have never tried to stop smoking before. If I put my mind to something, it gets done. I will probably still have one on my birthday or New Years. ;)


I hope you know that I care about you, we went thru tx together and both dragged a$$ thru much of the time and it has been over a year. I just want the best for you and your health. That is the spirit in which I say what I do on the "other issue"

[jmjm530]

FWIW I smoked 1-2 packs a day for around 20 years. I'm convinced if I had just ONE cigarette I'd be back to 1-2 packs within a month or two. I base this on past experience when I did such, however you may not have the addiction I had. It was very physical for me with the nicotine. To this day I still think about having a smoke every once in awhile but the thought passes very quickly. I do understand you have my best interests in heart but I'll leave it at there.

-- Jim

[jmjm530]

Just to expand a little, one of the things we did at Smokenders was to keep a diary. Not just about how much we smoked a day -- we were allowed to smoke the first month or so -- but what the cigarettes meant to us.

I'm not into the group therapy thing at all but it was really amazing at how much we learned and how deep the cigarette addiction went. We had people in the group diagnosed with lung cancer who still couldn't quit.

Smokenders dealt with the two aspects of nicontine withdrawal -- the physical and mental.

The physical is about six weeks as the nicotine leaves your system. But beyond that is the mental part.

To many of us cigarettes were our friends, our comfort, our normalcy. It was so many things. By confronting all this and really understanding that what was happening was a substitution mechanism, our atttitudes started to change.

So for me, the last thing I'd want to do is have a cigarette on my birthday. But that's because my attitude toward tobacco has totally changed. In any event, we all have to find out own way, I just suggest Smokenders to anyone who needs some outside help. After I failed about 80 times, I figured I needed outside help.

-- Jim

[Kalio1]

I was kidding about the birthday smoke!

[jmjm530]

OK. Got it. LOL.

[jmjm530]

When you run out of arguments and you're short on studies, it's easy to charactize/demonize those with an opposing point of view.

In this case, you're suggesting (see thread below) that those that disagree with your opinion have an addiction problem.

Another member in this discussion, had the temerity -- in another discussion group -- to say that the doctor's who allow drinking may themselves have an addiction problem.

You've been presented with studies and opinion from leading hepatologist/researchers. Is that your best shot is that those that disagree with you have a drinking problem?

Where are your studies and doctors that say light social drinking -- not heavy alcohol consumption -- can cause liver damage?

-- Jim

[cuteus]

i profess my addiction to: caffeine, sugar, butter and vicoprofen, maybe even beer.  I know what is good and what is bad, I made the choices. I honestly do not understand people who start threads asking if it is ok to drink. Are they going to abide by the general consensus? I doubt it, I think they already know what they are going to do and are looking for validation. oh well!  
I like my beer super cold and at parties, cruises, etc. It might be an addiction, but it is my choice and I don't need members telling me I should or not.  You made very good points on the addiction issue, and I guess as long as the drinking does not interfere with a person's daily functions and endanger their health (which is hard to tell whether it will or not with each individual who uses  alcohol and is hcv +), they will make a choice, or should, based on their likes and willingness to take risks or chances, not studies or dr's and members opinions since no one can tell that good luck will continue for yrs to come.

good luck on the smoking stopping quest.
one thing, I would not require people from getting banned from smoking in their homes, if alone and not endangering others in the household.  Extremes are always bad, but do consider that some of us, do get a reaction when passing a smoking group outdoors, or in front of me at the theme park line. The reaction takes quite a while to subside. I hope you don't but don't be surprised if you do, ex smokers seem to become more sensitive to airborne triggers.  These can be avoided to a point, but not always, and many are preventable (like asking for folks to stand away from the entrance). Our county requires that in a law, up to then, people were smoking even by the entrance to the ER, it is that reason why the laws had to be made and enforced, not because we are radicals. If you are carrying a child with an asthma attack into the ER, the last thing you want is for them to inhale inconsiderate people's smoke.
Again, good luck on your quest, but don't be surprised how your body reacts to the smoke once you have stopped. Most folks are very accomodating when asked to put their cig out if it is making us ill. Most, but not all.

fear mongering...could be an addiction?

[Kalio1]

Even though I smoked I have always been extremely sensitive to smells and  cig smoke. I can smell a cig many city blocks away. I realize some have sensitivities and probs with it but that is their issue to keep away from those things and situations not try to get the whole world to adjust to their problems is the way I see it. Some perfumes make me actually throw up sick but I do not think therefore I have the right to ask people to switch scents because of MY problems, it is my issue and I  make adjustments acordingly. In many other countries people smoke any and everywhere, that is just life. No law will prevent it either, there will NEVER be smoking police, there won't be anyone to enforce that type of law, they will not do any good except to give rude nonsmokers another selfrigheous tool in their arsenal. Expecting others to adjust is just a losing battle, it is up to the person (or parent) with the issue to adjust and work around it, it is their issue after all.

I am (strike that was) a very polite smoker and most are, but nonsmokers should take some responsibiity too and realize the world is a shared place and their issues do not trump others. There are a lot of extremely rude nonsmokers I have found. I am sure you are not one of them!
I won't be either.

[cuteus]

maybe is not a loosing battle everywhere. My daughter informed me that Sweden is a non smoking country, actually stated like that, from what I read.  People go into enclosed spaces to smoke, made just for them, with air filtration. can you believe it? I think extremely health conscious countries, with socialized medicine would do anything they can to keep their people healthy.  Is it for everyone?, obviously not the USA.

I still disagree that it is only the individual's problem and no one else needs to get involved, especially the govt, but It looks like that would just have to be one of the few issues we disagree upon! It was getting scary, that we agreed on everything before!
good luck and health