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Not my plan
by Moytoy, Nov 22, 2006 12:00AM
Im 53 yrs old,my persanality has been based on alcohol since 12. I did 10 weeks on the Peg-Red treatment totally convinced I could be alcohol free and kick this disease of mine with 2 heads.They took me off said it wasnt for me.My anger was treated with Paxil 3 Doc said it is the only one that dosnt go threw liver.Today I feel like **** every morning, my VL is growing into the 4000. No one seems to care or apreciate the new me.Im having a bad day becouse I except my dying as it comes,with alcohol. that is who I am.
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Do take care of yourself.
Rev, that is one of the best planned deaths I have seen. I want what you are having!
your "just quit you loser" attitude to addiction is naive.
diseases kill. alcoholism/addiction kills. you do the math.
It’s not important if alcoholism is disease or not we all know the tx is AA. Just like the tx for hep c one must really want to win or it will never happen.
Rock
BOBBY
bobby
But you cannot give up. That is not a viable decision. Please find a good qualified therapist to talk to and get their help. Drinking isn't just physical it is very much mental.
And the mental part...that was the part that made it the hardest for me. I tried and tried and finally now...it's sunk in. It really IS a one day at a time thing and I am only one drink away from where I was.
I wish the best of luck and hope that you can do it.
Moveabove save the chair for one of your whining addict cronies.
so if you don't have it it must not be real or bad is what it sounds like. I know and people who are poor it is because they just choice not to work right!
you have a very out dated point of view on the subject that is why your not finding anyone who agrees with you. like I said why don't read up on the subject. but i guess ignorince is bliss
I have lots of compassion for people battling alcoholism, as I'm sure you do, too.
But it's not a disease. Plain a simple.
You certainly can have your own opinion, but you know what they say about them. Despite yours, medical science has classified alcoholism as a disease. Some who self clear HCV might say that you inability to clear it on your own is a lack of will power.
Your knowledge of your grandfathers situation certainly does not qualify you to be an expert on the subject. While I congratulate your grandfather on his ability to stop of his own volition, this sad fact of the matter, which is well documented medical fact, is that not all are able to do so.
If you have not suffered from the affliction yourself, then it's best to simply keep your opinions to yourself. Often times it's best to keep silent and allow others to wonder about your intelligence than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Moytoy, If your personality has been "based on alcohol" then at 53 yr old you have lived a life time on booze. That would qualify as an alcoholic. And if you are, forget the people around you and look into a 12 step program. I have seen many lifes change and a happiness that was never thought possible. You can die in 40 yrs or 40 days. I just hope you can die happy and in peace and for alcohlics that means sober
I can only testify from my own experience that unlike HCV, alcohol in and of itself irregardless of whether it results in cirrhosis leads to death and cursing rather than life and blessing while one is under it's influence. Worse yet is that unless one has no family it not only affects the individual suffering from alcoholism, but it has negative effects upon those around them who love them as well.
I can also testify that one does not have to accept their alcoholism as an inevitablity of all they are and all they will ever be. For myself, and SoCal will most probably go ballistic here, I can say that it was not until I found a faith based treatment program, despite the many world renowned programs in my area, that I was able to find my deliverance.
Fortunately, I found mine prior to my diagnosis with HCV, and in fact it was because of it that my infection was diagnosed. In retrospect I also wonder if my slide deeper into the bottle was not in some respects due to the disease and my attempt to self medicate myself by anesthesizing some of the side effects I was experiencing from HCV.
Bottomline is the help is out there if you are willing to reach for it. But like salvation, it is a matter of choice as to whether you want to accept it.
Step back and think. No a little bit about what you speak before you open your mouth
As it has been pointed out, alcoholism may not be a true physical disease for many, but it has been documented to definitely be a psychological, and in some cases a spiritual, one.
You sound as though you don't have a shred of compassion. Perhaps it's your age. At 30, I had more of that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality, too. At 50, I see that we're all fraile, imperfect human beings who desperatly need God's saving grace and forgiveness.
You might see things with softer eyes, and heart, in another 20 years.
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At first I thought it was merely "lack of compassion" as Jazz stated. However, with the above comments, I think it's also some lack of knowledge.
"Acid reflux" for example, is a very real condition/disease whose results can be seen in a myriad of objective ways including Barrett's Esophagus, a pre-cancerous condition that requires medical or even surgical intervention. One doesn't imagine they have Barrett's, dx is made after an upper endoscophy or EGD confirms it. Nothing "so-called" about reflux or Barrett's and hopefully you won't get it as you get older when it becomes more common as the lower esophageal sphincter (LES)often starts to weaken allowing acid to flow upward back into the esophagus and even higher.
Wish everyone a Happy Turkey!
-- Jim
the disease comes from when an alcoholic has one or two he developes and overwhelming craving for more that the normal drinker never gets, he therefore drinks to oblivian because he cannot stop...
then when he really wants to stop finds that his psycological problems are so bad he cannot. that is why aa is the only way for some of us. i do believe the alcohloc is responsible for trying but many are overwhelmed and die. it is the ONLY disease that tells you you do not have it. i also hate to see alcoholics enabled because that keeps them from hitting bottm and experiancing the pain they need to give themselves to recovery. ps i have been sober 22 of the last 24 years in aa.
bobby