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Rebetron Question
Can anyone tell me why Rebetron should not be used by men whose female partners are pregnant? Thanks!
'my buckets gotta hole in it..'..but if i share ya darn well bettr inhale!
Cuteus-sorry for the contrary confusion-i do have too much time ,not much sense and a weed- wacked windtunnel of a noggin of late-i appreciate your forbearance
Cuteus-sorry for the contrary confusion-i do have too much time ,not much sense and a weed- wacked windtunnel of a noggin of late-i appreciate your forbearance
Gee... I got side tracked & Forgot what I was gonna Post Down Here.... It's beamers fault... he held my head under a bucket while he was smokin... but I Swear I did NOT Inhale!
;)
;)
Okay.. I Lied... It was My Bucket & I beat on it until we both inhaled...
Okay so what the heck where we talkin about anyways... was there really even a point.... humm.... maybe someone is secretly slipping interferon & Riba Mickey's in my Ice Tea!
Yea... That's it!
Humm, maybe backflashes?
:)
Okay so what the heck where we talkin about anyways... was there really even a point.... humm.... maybe someone is secretly slipping interferon & Riba Mickey's in my Ice Tea!
Yea... That's it!
Humm, maybe backflashes?
:)
hum! a memorial service...interesting suggestion. I wonder if HCV deserves one. the service could be for the ex carrier of HCV, farewell to the infected self, and hello to the HCV free self.
I mean, I don't think anyone would be sad to see hcv gone and thus grieve in a memorial to it?
you got too much time on your hands, or too much weed in your head!
I mean, I don't think anyone would be sad to see hcv gone and thus grieve in a memorial to it?
you got too much time on your hands, or too much weed in your head!
I guess one could always wear pajamas :) But seriously, there's always the saliva issue as well, although not sure if riba is present in saliva in potentially dangerous quantities. Fortunatly this is one tx decision I didn't have to make, but if I did, I'm sure I'd quiz several top docs like Shiff before making any decisions.
And since the lady already appears to be pregnant, I suppose how much liver damage emf has might also fit into the equation. For example, if it were imperative he treat right away, then perhaps more agressive steps could be taken to prevent the riba being accidently transmitted to his partner, including separate beds, etc. But if liver damage isn't so bad, then waiting might make sense -- in fact from where I'm coming from, it might make sense to wait another year anyway with the newer drugs being tested.
-- Jim
And since the lady already appears to be pregnant, I suppose how much liver damage emf has might also fit into the equation. For example, if it were imperative he treat right away, then perhaps more agressive steps could be taken to prevent the riba being accidently transmitted to his partner, including separate beds, etc. But if liver damage isn't so bad, then waiting might make sense -- in fact from where I'm coming from, it might make sense to wait another year anyway with the newer drugs being tested.
-- Jim
Wanted to also add something.. I was a patient of Schiff's, and how it was explained to me, is that Riba can cause MAJOR birth defects. One thing alot of people do not realize, is that while the average person sleeps, they lightly perspire.. This perspiration, realeases Riba from the person undergoing tx, and if your wfe is sleeping next to you, she will be exposed. Before tx, the wife and I where going to have a baby..I presented that idea to my treating Dr, and was advised of the above mentioned senario..We put those plans aside until I was given the go ahead from my Dr, as if there is ANY possibilty of birth defects, that is tooo much for me..
<<This perspiration, realeases Riba from the person undergoing tx, and if your wfe is sleeping next to you, she will be exposed. >>
Thanks, that was a point I hadn't considered.
Thanks, that was a point I hadn't considered.
It is a good point but unless I'm following things wrong, seems to contradict the same doctor's earlier point (in the article) regarding it's OK as long as a condom is used. I assume he realizes that folks that have sex also have body to body contact :) I suppose one could try the ole' "hole in the sheet" method used by some religious sects :) But seriously, do check this out with a couple of medical authorities as to how real the risks are and what precautions if any you should take.
You also have to take into account the date of that article..They are talking about patients undergoing monotherapy, and introducing them to combination.. As you know, findings HCV related change weekly. You can tell that the article and information is dated, as Ira Jacobsen is refering to manufacturer recommendations, and labratory findings, because there wasn't enough known about the drug Riba at the time they where discussing it.
That's how I understand the article you linked. And I know Schiff's take on the effects of Riba today, as he and my wife went in depth on that topic, as starting our family is a major priority to her.
We where going to get her pregnant prior to me treating, and when we ran that senario by the Doc, and where advised against it..Though the possibilty of transmission is low, it is present.. Any possibility is tooo much to risk, from my stand point.
That's how I understand the article you linked. And I know Schiff's take on the effects of Riba today, as he and my wife went in depth on that topic, as starting our family is a major priority to her.
We where going to get her pregnant prior to me treating, and when we ran that senario by the Doc, and where advised against it..Though the possibilty of transmission is low, it is present.. Any possibility is tooo much to risk, from my stand point.
Forgive me... But I GOTTA ASK.......
I cringe to do this cause I might not really want to know the answer..... but you seem so KNowledgable on EVERYTHING... I mean EVERY Subject... even vaginal dryness, ect & what to do....
So this by all means is NOT an insult & NOT to be takin that way... Please`don't think I am being coy... because I REALLY & Truely am NOT...
Just the Opposite...
Curiousity just Finally got the best of me....I just gotta know, as I am Impressed & actually OVERWHELMED with your vast knowledge on every subject & wondered WHERE did you get you degree, are you an actual DR or associate or better yet how, & when did you become so intimitaly quaint with the female anotomy & come up with answers that are not within your gender...
I have sat back & watched you for well over a year, & we have never had any problems, nor do I anticipate any... but I Just gotta know...
So I guess my question is... do you have a partner with HCV???
Do You have a degree... or do you just do research on the net or what??? I mean "Bless Your Heart" do you see a question & immediately go research it to help all us not knowing ones...
I guess what I am asking HOW do you have that much time on your hands to devote to that... I am just soooo envious & in awe of you knowledge....
You Rock Dude... & I have YET to come across a subject that you didn't know something about or have an answer to... which I think is AWESOME... but what I want to know is...
HOW DO YOU DO THIS...???
& HOW Do You Keep Up With All of us??? I mean do you keep a list of us & all our ailments.... I can't even keep up with my own... much less a handfull of friends...
Please tell us your secret... I am Envious....
Would an evolynn woods speed reading course help????
WoW.... You're just AWESOME.. & a Vast WEALTH Of Knowledge... I want your secret...!!!
;)
I cringe to do this cause I might not really want to know the answer..... but you seem so KNowledgable on EVERYTHING... I mean EVERY Subject... even vaginal dryness, ect & what to do....
So this by all means is NOT an insult & NOT to be takin that way... Please`don't think I am being coy... because I REALLY & Truely am NOT...
Just the Opposite...
Curiousity just Finally got the best of me....I just gotta know, as I am Impressed & actually OVERWHELMED with your vast knowledge on every subject & wondered WHERE did you get you degree, are you an actual DR or associate or better yet how, & when did you become so intimitaly quaint with the female anotomy & come up with answers that are not within your gender...
I have sat back & watched you for well over a year, & we have never had any problems, nor do I anticipate any... but I Just gotta know...
So I guess my question is... do you have a partner with HCV???
Do You have a degree... or do you just do research on the net or what??? I mean "Bless Your Heart" do you see a question & immediately go research it to help all us not knowing ones...
I guess what I am asking HOW do you have that much time on your hands to devote to that... I am just soooo envious & in awe of you knowledge....
You Rock Dude... & I have YET to come across a subject that you didn't know something about or have an answer to... which I think is AWESOME... but what I want to know is...
HOW DO YOU DO THIS...???
& HOW Do You Keep Up With All of us??? I mean do you keep a list of us & all our ailments.... I can't even keep up with my own... much less a handfull of friends...
Please tell us your secret... I am Envious....
Would an evolynn woods speed reading course help????
WoW.... You're just AWESOME.. & a Vast WEALTH Of Knowledge... I want your secret...!!!
;)
Tator: even vaginal dryness, ect & what to do....
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LOL. Not sure where you got the idea I was an expert there :)
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No, I don't have a partner with HCV, and of course, no medical degrees of any sort or I would have mentioned it. Without too much detail, I'm in the marketing business -- currently work for myself -- and that requires being a quick learn on any number of subjects. And with today's internet and search engines, that's so much easier than in the olds days when you had to hop over to the library, or in this case it would be the medical library.
Treatment, as you may know, was very difficult for me, and I was unable to work, so had plenty of time to research things. I actually didn't know squat when I first began to treat and remember having to look up all the definitions like "tx", "dx" ,etc.
But I was very motivated, because in the middle of the first week of treatment I computed that as a geno 1 with stage 3 fibrosis, I only had around a 40% chance of being cured -- and at that time I thought I was actually closer to stage 4 (cirrhosis) than I really was. In other words, fear is a great motivator :)
I don't consider my memory all that great, but for some reason I can carry a lot of this stuff in my head. I am able to do that in subjects that interest me. What I can't remember, it's easy enough to look up, including, for example, what stage someone else is at before answering a question.
Hope I didn't disappoint you with this boring answer, as there really is no secret -- just really curiorisity and a willingness to learn and help. First, I researched for myself, and then shared what I learned with others.
While I consider I've learned a lot -- it's really a very narrow band of knowledge, almost exclusively focused on treatment protocols for geno 1's, which I happen to be. And, oh yes, side effects, which I've experienced most of first hand :) There are a number of people here with just as much if not a wider band of knowledge, and I've learned from everyone. Fortunately, most of them are carrying down jobs, so they just don't contribute as much at times.
Thanks anyway for your nice words -- because as you know I've received my share of criticism for well, you know what. I don't expect to be around as much as I used to, because now that I'm feeling better it's time to start making some money again -- and more than that to change a mindset from someone with Hep C to someone without it. Never thought about this disease much at all until I started to treat. And then it took me over 24/7. Sure a lot of folks can relate to that. So I'm here today, who really knows what tomorrow brings. Life is like that.
You mentioned something earlier about an upcoming PCR? Hope things go well with you.
All the best.
-- Jim
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LOL. Not sure where you got the idea I was an expert there :)
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No, I don't have a partner with HCV, and of course, no medical degrees of any sort or I would have mentioned it. Without too much detail, I'm in the marketing business -- currently work for myself -- and that requires being a quick learn on any number of subjects. And with today's internet and search engines, that's so much easier than in the olds days when you had to hop over to the library, or in this case it would be the medical library.
Treatment, as you may know, was very difficult for me, and I was unable to work, so had plenty of time to research things. I actually didn't know squat when I first began to treat and remember having to look up all the definitions like "tx", "dx" ,etc.
But I was very motivated, because in the middle of the first week of treatment I computed that as a geno 1 with stage 3 fibrosis, I only had around a 40% chance of being cured -- and at that time I thought I was actually closer to stage 4 (cirrhosis) than I really was. In other words, fear is a great motivator :)
I don't consider my memory all that great, but for some reason I can carry a lot of this stuff in my head. I am able to do that in subjects that interest me. What I can't remember, it's easy enough to look up, including, for example, what stage someone else is at before answering a question.
Hope I didn't disappoint you with this boring answer, as there really is no secret -- just really curiorisity and a willingness to learn and help. First, I researched for myself, and then shared what I learned with others.
While I consider I've learned a lot -- it's really a very narrow band of knowledge, almost exclusively focused on treatment protocols for geno 1's, which I happen to be. And, oh yes, side effects, which I've experienced most of first hand :) There are a number of people here with just as much if not a wider band of knowledge, and I've learned from everyone. Fortunately, most of them are carrying down jobs, so they just don't contribute as much at times.
Thanks anyway for your nice words -- because as you know I've received my share of criticism for well, you know what. I don't expect to be around as much as I used to, because now that I'm feeling better it's time to start making some money again -- and more than that to change a mindset from someone with Hep C to someone without it. Never thought about this disease much at all until I started to treat. And then it took me over 24/7. Sure a lot of folks can relate to that. So I'm here today, who really knows what tomorrow brings. Life is like that.
You mentioned something earlier about an upcoming PCR? Hope things go well with you.
All the best.
-- Jim
Hey..
I gotta responce I wanna post.. but being a full time Grandma for the moment (I am being CALLED) & The dad will be here in a minute for after work duties.... Be Back soon...
If Not It'll be her in the morn.. thanks for your rapid responce!.. (More To Come!!)
Vicki
;)
I gotta responce I wanna post.. but being a full time Grandma for the moment (I am being CALLED) & The dad will be here in a minute for after work duties.... Be Back soon...
If Not It'll be her in the morn.. thanks for your rapid responce!.. (More To Come!!)
Vicki
;)
this stinkin virus just seems to slither unto the Big chair at the head of the table-we do become 24/7 obsessed;maybe it's the sx's?? and the continual dosing,oh and the godawful length of treatmnt!!...i did 10 weeks of radiation,that was a comparitive cakewalk stacked next to this sh!t...Then there is the mind wacking discomfiture that makes many 'testy' inna very needy,speedy,couchridden but take a swipe at the dawg/bark @ yur significant others,'leave me alone!!-why don't people visit??" way that seems a special bonus of hepC&trx meds.......thats why i firmly advocate weed women and song and i ain't gettin enuff of any on trx-I soo want post-trx ....i want my life back and i want this Stinking Virus totally Gone!!!.....i sure hope y'all join me @ memorial service of removing the dragon from the head of the table--On with the Show -This is IT!!!
about makin babys while trx-Practice,by all means,but due be careful!!!
as always ;the views expressed in this post do not rflect the opinions of any remotely sane individual....no cause for alarm he is both restrained and sedated now..
about makin babys while trx-Practice,by all means,but due be careful!!!
as always ;the views expressed in this post do not rflect the opinions of any remotely sane individual....no cause for alarm he is both restrained and sedated now..
The same stuff has several names; ribavirin, rebetol, rebetron, copegus....and a few others that would turn into asterisks.
You might want to wade through this with particular attention to Dr. Eugene Schiff's answer to a similar question. Dr. Schiff is one of this country's leading hepatologists. If this becomes an issue with your treatment doctor, you -- or your doctor -- might want to contact Dr. Schiff for clarification.
http://hepatitis-central.com/hcv/hepatitis/symposium99/maddrey.html
http://hepatitis-central.com/hcv/hepatitis/symposium99/maddrey.html
Because the drugs are known to cause birth defects. Here is the warning for the drug, your drug bottle should have a warning label also.
CONTRAINDICATIONS AND WARNINGS
Combination REBETOL/INTRON A therapy is contraindicated in women who are pregnant and in the male partners of women who are pregnant. Extreme care must be taken to avoid pregnancy during therapy and for 6 months after completion of treatment in female patients, and in female partners of male patients who are taking combination REBETOL/INTRON A therapy. Women of childbearing potential and men must use two reliable forms of effective contraception during treatment and during the 6-month posttreatment follow-up period. Significant teratogenic and/or embryocidal effects have been demonstrated for ribavirin in all animal species studied.
CONTRAINDICATIONS AND WARNINGS
Combination REBETOL/INTRON A therapy is contraindicated in women who are pregnant and in the male partners of women who are pregnant. Extreme care must be taken to avoid pregnancy during therapy and for 6 months after completion of treatment in female patients, and in female partners of male patients who are taking combination REBETOL/INTRON A therapy. Women of childbearing potential and men must use two reliable forms of effective contraception during treatment and during the 6-month posttreatment follow-up period. Significant teratogenic and/or embryocidal effects have been demonstrated for ribavirin in all animal species studied.
I understand that is on the prescribing instructions.
My take is that it may have to do as much with legal issues as practical. I imagine that if you make sure you're wife doesn't handle the ribavirin (Rebetron), and you wash your hands after touching it, and you use condoms, that the ribavirin shouldn't get transferred to your wife. Should it get transferred to your wife, it could harm the fetus.
That said, none of us are doctors or pharmacists here, so you should really ask your doctor and/or pharmacist the same question before making any decisions. Also, the drug companies have free help lines with nurses available, and you might try them as well.
Good luck!
-- Jim
My take is that it may have to do as much with legal issues as practical. I imagine that if you make sure you're wife doesn't handle the ribavirin (Rebetron), and you wash your hands after touching it, and you use condoms, that the ribavirin shouldn't get transferred to your wife. Should it get transferred to your wife, it could harm the fetus.
That said, none of us are doctors or pharmacists here, so you should really ask your doctor and/or pharmacist the same question before making any decisions. Also, the drug companies have free help lines with nurses available, and you might try them as well.
Good luck!
-- Jim
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