Sex, during menses!

[Lady Lauri]

Posting a seperate post as per bothas other sex threads.

  The only suggestions I have had, from 2 Dr.'s, was be more careful if having sex during the womans period. And it was stressed that chance is small...... his penis (polite word here, right??) get's a cut during sex, than having sex with her during menses. Other than that...... wasn't even told to use condoms. My partener has not once been concerned and that is because WE got educated fast upon dx. Think I was more worried than him!

  Of course in my trial tx I had to sign a 'contract' that I would use two froms of birth control during tx to be sure of no pregnancy ....... talk about a sex driver killer that is already struggling to live!!

                                                                                     LL

[Alady1620]

The treatment meds can cause severe birth defects.  Please use protection while you're on them.  

[jmjm530]

LL:  Of course in my trial tx I had to sign a 'contract' that I would use two froms of birth control during tx to be sure of no pregnancy
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I thought the treatment drugs counted as at least "three forms" of birth control. The closest I got to sex during treatment was watching Paris Hilton's weekly escapades on "Entertainment Tonight"  :)

[Myown]

The only suggestions I have had, from 2 Dr.'s, was be more careful if having sex during the womans period
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I don't know if I understood what your doctors said....what do they mean BE MORE CAREFUL if having sex during menses? Are you saying they said you CAN have unprotected sex as long as the penis doesn't have a cut?

[jmjm530]

It may come as a shock to some of you women, but many men will not be devastated if they have to refrain from sex during menses :)

[Myown]

yeah its not my cup of tea either.

[Lady Lauri]

Alady....."The treatment meds can cause severe birth defects.  Please use protection while you're on them."

Of course!! Let alone getting pregnant at 49 would cause a stroke for me.
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jmjm............. " I thought the treatment drugs counted as at least "three forms" of birth control."

YUP! Not much risk going on anyway!
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Myown......HUH?...
   "I don't know if I understood what your doctors said....what do they mean BE MORE CAREFUL if having sex during menses? Are you saying they said you CAN have unprotected sex as long as the penis doesn't have a cut?"

Monogamous sex, of course using birth control, and ....just be more 'cautious' (condoms, refrain) during menses as blood present. Not monogamous, h*ll yes use protection.
(It’s also on the hep advocates website.)
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jmjm,my own.............."It may come as a shock to some of you women, but many men will not be devastated if they have to refrain from sex during menses :)"

No shocker there, LOL. Hey, I just posted that as I haven't seen it said in ANY 'contract Hep C thru sex" post!!!!

                                                                                     LL

[alagirl]

I think the subject of sexual transmission is very misunderstood when it comes to both HCV and HIV.  In general, the largest risks come from both menstrual blood and transfer through abrasions in mucousal membranes.  

Of course menstrual blood carries both the HCV virus and the HIV virus just as much as any other blood source.  Any cut or sore on the penis is a source of entry way for that blood to enter.  It is also true, however, that the ureter of the penis is mucousal in nature.  Theoretically, it has been entertained that viruses can enter the male engaging in a sexual encounter with a woman or another man via a blood transfer hitting the mucousa lining the inner ureter particularly should there happen to be a sore on the inner part of that mucousal lining or an abraded area.

Conversely, the entire vaginal vault in a woman is lined with a mucousal surface that is easily abraded.  As a woman ages and her hormones decrease naturally, that lining thins and the area is abraded much more easily.  This allows blood to blood transfer even more easily and technically, allows viruses in more easily.  

Anal sex affords mucousal transfer of viruses easily in both men and women who are receiving partners of penile penetration as the mucousal lining of the anus is easily abraded in both sexes allowing for blood to blood transfer.

It should stand to reason perhaps that monogamous couples may have sex less frequently and perhaps have fewer std's and other issues that would put them at risk for passing viruses to each other.  Therefore people with multiple sex partners are more likely to pass viruses such as HCV and HIV.

[JodyLynn]

Lmao @ jmjm530

[zazza]

No cases confirmed where HCV has been transmitted through menstrual blood. That is what I read.

[Myown]

It just amazes me that any doctor would tell somebody that you don't have to protect yourself if you are in a monogamous relationship, yet if you aren't in a monogamous you need to protect yourself. You either can get HCV through sex or you can't and any doctor that tells people that it is safe to have sex while an HCV infected women is menstruating should have his license ripped off the wall. I don't care if 3,000 studies come out saying its safe to have sex while menstruating. Its common sense that its not. It reminds me of the thread where the member said his doctor said it was okay to have sex even though his sperm had blood it it- his wife can't get HCV from THAT blood. I can't take it anymore. But I think one day when HCV becomes even more of an epidemic than what it already is, I will print out alot of these threads and let some of these doctors read how they led so many people like sheep to the slaughter by the bad information they gave out.

[jmjm530]

MO: t just amazes me that any doctor would tell somebody that you don't have to protect yourself if you are in a monogamous relationship, yet if you aren't in a monogamous you need to protect yourself.
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Maybe they are differentiating between married sex and real sex :)

[alagirl]

It's kind of amusing.  I've had a partial hysterectomy (I have one ovary left) and I keep TELLING the nurse at my HCV doc's that.  Nevertheless, she keeps ordering pregnancy tests when I go in.  I always tell the lab tech that if I wind up pregnant she and I are going to make a lot of money selling the story...

[Alady1620]

Ummm...I thought HIV was transmitted a lot easier during sex than HCV.  Is that incorrect?

[alagirl]

MO - I agree with you on that.  

Zazza, I've read varying things about the transmission of HCV during sex - not sure about menstrual blood in particular, but there has been at least one study debunking the no transmission via sex studies - I'll try to find it to post.  I came across it the other day.

To me, menstrual blood would seem to be a transmission risk since HCV is a blood borne virus.  I can't see how it would differ from any other blood source.  That said, sexually transmitted blood borne viruses are usually transmitted more easily from men to women than the other way around unless you're talking about a male receiving partner in an anal sex scenario.  And this would again be due to the larger expanse of mucous membrane internally vaginally in women or anally in men that might become damaged and allow transfer.

There is some evidence as well that partners who are HCV positive and also have some other venereal disease are at increased risk of transmitting HCV to THEIR partners.  I don't know if this is because they are more likely to have open sores that would allow blood transfer or what, but there has been some research to suggest that they are more likely to play Typhoid Mary in the bedroom.

Jim - Pretty funny.  If its anything like my marriage was, I KNOW that's true.  My ex used to punish me by withholding sex.  I mean, withholding it from me.  He was fairly free with it when he was around any number of female coworkers... LOL

[jmjm530]

I don't think Cyber sex has been touched on yet. It's common knowledge that the porno sites are ripe with viruses.

[jmjm530]

Also I've read that Chimpanzees can transmit the virus. Would that mean monkeying around is a high risk activity?

[alagirl]

HIV is transferred more easily during sex than HCV.  

[alagirl]

A good discussion of sex and HCV from the Janis and friends site:

http://janis7hepc.com/sex_and_hcv.htm#SEXUAL%20TRANSMISSION

[alagirl]

From the HCV Advocate:

"Better Safe than Sorry
Two other recent studies indicate that sexual HCV transmission is biologically plausible, since HCV is present in semen and female genital fluid. As reported in the November 4, 2005 issue of AIDS, Aureliea Briat and colleagues from Paris analyzed HCV RNA levels in the semen of 82 HIV/HCV coinfected and 38 HCV monoinfected men. They detected HCV genetic material more often in the seminal fluid of coinfected men than men with HCV alone (38% vs 18%). Similarly, as reported in the November 1, 2005 Journal of Infectious Diseases, M.J. Nowicki and colleagues measured HCV RNA levels in the cervicovaginal lavage fluid from 58 HIV/HCV coinfected and 13 HCV monoinfected women enrolled in WIHS. HCV RNA was detected in the genital fluid of 29% of the coinfected women, but none of the HCV monoinfected women.

While studies have yielded conflicting data, there is increasing evidence that sexual transmission of HCV may be more common than previously thought – and that it appears to be occurring more frequently in recent years. Until more is known, it is prudent for people with any of the risk factors seen in these studies (e.g., HIV positive, multiple sexual partners, fisting, STDs) to practice safer sex, including the use of latex condoms and gloves."

[jmjm530]

No wonder the doctor looked at me strange when I said I liked watching MSM. I thought it was a cable TV station.

[GoofyDad]

yeah its not my cup of tea either.

Ugggh, That was a nice visual before Sunday dinner..... Not!

[Myown]

alagirl: MO I agree with you on that.
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yeah its amazing - wheres the logic with some of these doctors - logic goes out the door once they go to med school it seems, but anyway -High 5 tuhya
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Jimmmmie your next.."Maybe they are differentiating between married sex and real sex"

Hardy har har,,,maybe thats the truth in other marriages, but not mine babeeee. My husband never knows what I'm going to say - so I keep him on the edge with conversations AND the bedroom too. BUT I'll be reaaaaaal honest with you...one thing I love more than anything is ~music~ and if I had to choose as to whether my husband could sing with me or write me a love song - I'd choose that over sex anyday. Now thats not in any way saying sex isn't good - its just my love for music far surpasses anything any man could ever do for me in the bedroom or at least what I have experienced. Music is my everything - if my husband could sing or play an instrument - I'd be in heaven on earth. Yup sex will end someday - you guys hit an age and can't get it on- lets face it - that day will come- but the music will always be there. I know some people who are old - old - olddddd and still sound great. Can ya tell I was just listening to some music?? Yup high on music - nothing like it. I'm tired so I am rambling on and on and on and on. Btw my bx will be done by my doctor - followed your advice and checked it out ,,,whew! So if you don't see me around - it means I fell into another small percentage and I DIED during bx!! boo hoo. I hope you would miss me. And if there is anything that you want to say to me - like what a nice person I am or anything, you can always let me know when ever you want to Jimmmmmie. I'll save a place in heaven for ya near me. Is Jim your real name - I doubt it. Well before I die from my bx, I need to know your real name so I can look you up in heaven when you come up from dying from having too much sex after eating a big meal,,,yeah Jim that could do it. Don't eat a big meal before you have "real sex." I know you know about the "don't swim right after eating a big meal, but that rule also applies to having sex too. I wanted you to know that. That includes no sex with blow up dolls after a big meal either. Jenna is her name, right? Do you bring her to your mothers for Thankgiving with you? Hey Jim check her label and make sure she wasn't made in China - ya know- all the poison toys. She is a toy so to speak - sorry,I'm not making fun of your woman. But anyhow until you find out what uhm, what uh, if uhm she has a poisonous coating on her plastic - I mean poisonous coating on her "skin", no French kissing  at all. Didn't Ladybug give her to you? She might know if the Chinese coated Jenna with some type of date rape drug. But Jim, I bet you like the idea that you are using (with help of the Chinese) a date rape drug on Jenna- you can really have your way with her then. Get help Jim. Please tell your shrink what you have been doing with Jenna and the date rape drug. I'm very surprised.  HAHAHAHAHAHA

As you can see I'm tightly wound tonight,so I had to kid with yaaaaaa.

[GoofyDad]

There a joke in here somewhere - so homely he has to use a date rape drug on his blow up doll.....


Not Jim of course - not the way he slaughters the blue hairs down at the pharmacy :) :)  

[Myown]

HAHA

[jmjm530]

To be on the safe side, I have a PCR done on Jenna's air (Jenna is my blow up doll for those new here) monthly. So are you saying we are going to have sex in heaven, or are you just going to look me up to torment me? But seriously, good luck with the biopsy and try not to talk when the big needle comes out :)

-- Jim

[jmjm530]

I have never have to use drugs with Jenna although from time to time I do admit to filling her with helium to make things interesting.

[Myown]

We love you Jim. Be our friend.

PLeeeeeezzzze still answer all my questions,,,,,pleeeeez,,,,,I love Jenna,,,,She's so nice,,,,I'm not making fun of her!!! I helped LADYBUG PICK HER OUT FOR YOU. There is nothing wrong with having a blow up doll picked out for you! Its like an arranged marrige and sometimes in some cultures arranged marriages work out very well. It keeps the money in the their little circle.

Jenna won't be needing the money when you die, so if I don't die from my bx, can I get the money that you were going to leave Jenna - thats if you die before me?

[Myown]

So are you saying we are going to have sex in heaven, or are you just going to look me up to torment me?
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HAHAHAHAH  You are funny. I do like your humor and how you can take it when its handed to you. I can't, I get mad,so don't tease me. LOL

[Myown]

I'm only kidding about the bx. I'm not afraid. Thanks for wishing me good luck. I'll be fine.

Elaine, is Nick going for one?

[jmjm530]

MO: Jenna won't be needing the money when you die, so if I don't die from my bx, can I get the money that you were going to leave Jenna - thats if you die before me?
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I guess you don't understand how it works in our culture. Jenna gets the money when I die because she has sex with me. BTW when is needle day?

Child,

Well, yes, Jenna and I have had our problems, but I still think she's a real doll.

[Myown]

Goofy, btw the same drug that is used with date rape was the found last week to be in the beads or some kind of toy that we have here on toy shelves from China. A couple of kids got very sick. Its so unreal that we still have products coming over from China - especially toys. Amazes me.

[jmjm530]

Transjugular would be safer for Nick. I'm sure they know what they're doing. Maybe see HR for a scan as well.

[Myown]

My needle is soon. Not this week - the following, I think. I know I have an appointment this week with Rheumy and then I think its the following week for bx. I don't have the date in front of me. Why do you ask?

[Myown]

elaine, I never heard of that type of bx. (transj.)

I didn't like when I read on the paper that the needle can go into your side or chest. I don't want it to go through my chest - now that sound scary - side doesn't scare me,,,yet.

[alagirl]

Actually, it's a GHB metabolite that was found.  Meaning - there wasn't actual GHB in the aqua dots and bindeez, its just that when they were ingested they metabolized into GHB.  So it wasn't quite as sinister as them actually putting GHB in it.  I think at first they thought that someone had actually tampered with the product and HAD put GHB in it but then realized it was just some extremely bad FUBAR where not enough research was done (China and shoddy product research, go figure) and no care was taken when producing the item to make certain the materials were safe if ingested.

[jmjm530]

MO: Why do you ask?
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Well, I wasn't going to contact your doc and ask if I could jab the needle in, so not to worry :) Just curious because I view you as a friend and while a very minor procedure, it's still a procedure, and like the rest of us, rooting you on.

[jmjm530]

Well, if kids start coming home from their play dates not remembering what happened to their lego sets, we know there's a real problem.

[Myown]

yeah I heard that part too, but I don't buy it - maybe its true, but I don't trust them.

[Myown]

Just curious because I view you as a friend and while a very minor procedure, it's still a procedure, and like the rest of us, rooting you on.
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Jim, you're making me nervous. But really to be honest, I am going to give my husband the name of the website JUST INCASE something happened, he could come on and let you guys know. I'm not being doom and gloom , but things do happen as we know. sniffle, sniffle.

[jmjm530]

I probably phrased that wrong. The procedure is not dangerous, just wanted to offer you emotional support, that's all. You know, when like someone is seeing a new doctor, we wish them well, etc.

[Myown]

To be on the safe side, I have a PCR done on Jenna's air
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LOL forgot to tell you - that was a great line!! You're funny and a good sport too.

Okay its 11:46 PM here and again I am up way past my bed time, so I am going to make a cup of tea and then see if I can move my 125 lb dog out of my spot in bed. She is snuggled right next to my husband and they are both sound asleep.

Nighty - night.

[Myown]

I probably phrased that wrong. The procedure is not dangerous, just wanted to offer you emotional support, that's all. You know, when like someone is seeing a new doctor, we wish them well, etc.
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Don't worry, I know what you meant - I'm fine. I'm not worried. Thanks

[alagirl]

yeah I heard that part too, but I don't buy it - maybe its true, but I don't trust them.
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I'm just concerned about all of the older teens who undoubtedly are rushing into their younger siblings bedrooms as we speak snatching those aqua dots up and taking them to raves before their parents can take them back to the stores.

[Hepatitis Researcher]

Jim, this is more serious than you think. Since you might have infected Jenna before your SVR, never checked her status before, she could reinfect you, despite all the robustness of the SVR that you have often reported.And you might never know and assume your SVR has failed and report it here and take the safe feeling away that the resident SVRs here now have. Since I know that you will be sending her air to Nichols lab, and am afraid that they might not be fully versed on how to process this air sample, I can offer you a sample of the air in our post PCR labs, that is always positive for HCV amplicons and can serve as a positive control, that will assure you that you do not receive a misleading false nagative, with possible catastrophous consequences if you think you can resume safe sex with Jenna without safe sex precautions.

[jmjm530]

LOL. That cracked me up. How about I just send her to you in dry ice for air work  and a scan? I can trust you CA doctors with my doll, right?

[alagirl]

Ok.  You guys cannot say anything on the thread because it would be too mean, but I can't resist posting this because it's so on point with our "blow up" humor, LOL - So just take a quick stealth look but don't say anything over there.

From the std forum...

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/316602

[jmjm530]

Well, maybe Jenna should be checked for Chlamydia as well. I think I'll post to that understanding doctor there.

[Hepatitis Researcher]

If you send her and we will refill her with post PCR lab air, she will be (albeit falsely) HCV PCRpositive forever and all your attempts to pump her up with future antivirals cocktails will fail, which again will turn your positive outlook - including Vertex- into one of helpless despair.This will filter through to others on this formum in need.  Not to mention the emotional backlash that the now permanently necessary use of safe sex will have on you

[Lady Lauri]

"The only suggestions I have had, from 2 Dr.'s, was be more careful if having sex during the womans period."------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OKAY! That was the point....condoms, refrain, as in blood present.  They were stressing that comment/concern/possiblilty, which I think many don't in all the 'small chance of sexual transmission" info. they tell patients.  And really, it hasn't been covered in all the post on contracting thru sex, needs to be.

jmjm.....on a roll tonight, LOL. Lotta funny post up there, too tired to finish 'em all. Save then for AM to start the day with laughter.

P.S. Sooooo......Does Jenna have a brother ???  :}

                                                                                                LL

[jmjm530]

Are you saying that Jenna might turn into a resistant mutant? No thank you, I have enough trouble with resistant women in my life and don't need another. Think I'll try milk thistle first, double dose of course.

[Hepatitis Researcher]

Until that remarkable, glorious day, when we will see the post by Jim : YES,YES, I found the cure for HCV: Believe it or not its ...Helium! Just go to www.heliumforhcv I have used weekly PCRs and they came all back NEGATIVE!  You can all breathe easier now.

[jmjm530]

Yes, his name is John but he has an inflated ego.

[jmjm530]

Tell you what. I'll trial it. You publish it. Good night :)

[jmjm530]

But seriously, maybe helium and Alinia ...

[alagirl]

and augmentin or something.  For that chlamydia she incurred when she was two-timing you with that poor woman's husband during his business trip overseas...

[Myown]

This thread turned out so funnnneeee! Alright HR!! We saw another side of you! You're very funny,, and to think I almost deleted what I wrote about Jenna - thought Jim might get mad.

Kind of surprised that HR read the entire "Jenna story,"- that made me laugh just thinking about this brillant doctor getting into our "midnight madness." HR officially became "one of us" now. He's part of the club. HR let his hair down and thats good - gave us all a serotonin boooooost.

See ya's later - husbands off and he is making chicken parmigiana  - He loves to cook (he's Italian). My chicken parm always tastes like its missing something so I am going to go watch what he does differnent than me.

See ya all tonight - I think - maybe. Good night to go to a movie though. Weather is gloomy here.  

[alagirl]

See ya's later - husbands off and he is making chicken parmigiana  - He loves to cook (he's Italian).
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Yeah yeah, so you've got a guy over there who cooks for you.  It's not nice to rub it in! LOL ;)

[jmjm530]

Just so you know, Jenna is good with air popped corn.

[alagirl]

Just so you know, Jenna is good with air popped corn.
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not even touching that one

[kcrandy]

sounds like this jenna is full of hot air.  :o)

wow i can see when the sex questions are brought up they all come out to play don't they!

[jmjm530]

No, we are actually 'attached' as you first suggested. It does present a problem, for example getting fitted for a suit, but on the other hand I'm never alone and can float in for hours at a time in the ocean.

[Lady Lauri]

You guys are too funny, I have to find the "jenna' post/storys!! Is she blonde, brunnette, redhead,??

jmjm.....it's not Jenna's brothers 'inflated" EGO I am curious about :} Nothing a safety pin can't resolve!

*&$##^& ala......... I can't pull up the thread you posted above?? I can't pull up half the ones posted on here thru 'copy and paste'.....brand new laptop too, so not ancient.
As you said the 'boys' can't comment, now I GOTTA see it!!

                                                                                          LL

[Myown]

I have to find the "jenna' post/storys!! Is she blonde, brunnette, redhead,??
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Jenna is all the above- blonde brunette and red head... We all love Jim so much that all the ladies on forum donate their wigs that they used while on tx so that Jim can enjoy a NEW Jenna every nite!

[jmjm530]

I could use more than donated "wigs" from the fair ladies at this point. BTW, so you should know, your last post just happened to be post number "69" in the thread.

[Myown]

Jimmmmmmie, no I didn't notice the thread number, but it doesn't surprise me that you did.

Maybe "I-horney" knows another "dancer" that he can introduce you to, but don't let us know know if you cheat on Jenna. I just can't think of another womans name with yours. "Jim and Jenna" I thought would last forever and ever and ever.

[Willy50]

I was thinking about writing in this thread but was afraid of having fun with a serious subject.
Since the thread "went south"....or further south I thought I'd throw another log on the barbie.-Willy
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I'm enjoying my reads on this thread,
cause it speaks of a trip to the bed
YOU might hesitate,
but I say NEVER wait....
you'll be doing that plenty when dead

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Jims sexual wants were abated
thru the acts on a doll that he dated
jenna screamed  "oooh jmjm"
while poked with his needle or pin
and it left them both feeling deflated

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when asked about menses and sex
most men whom you ask look perplexed
we won't hesitate,
nor dis-crim-in-ate
amor with the smarties or densas