Usefulness of diet change

[22hamilton]

After my recent diagnosis of cirrhosis and steatosis I am really seriously considering changing my diet with the intention of lightening the load on my liver.It would be good to be able to lower my inflamation (inflammation) a little.

I'm wondering if anyone on the forum has changed to say vegetarian and if so whether they have seen any signs of improvement.

Cheers
Hammond

[Rockerforlife]

If you check out my diet in my profile ,it looks as tho its food from another planet...LOL...but ya know what....ive never felt better cutting out garbage food and your poor old liver will thank you.

"Whether we're aware of it or not, an energy economy game is going on inside of us throughout life. Our inner experience over the course of each day includes thousands of thoughts, feelings, and impressions that directly impact our energy level"


Doc Childre and Howard Martin

[bajawoman]

Common Sense diet with as little meat as possible
Salmon is good
lean and live foods sugar is bad as well as bad fats
olives and olive oil good fats
Nuts good protien
organic is good
fresh live cell foods as veggies and fruits
balanced protiens with carbs is really important too
good fats
good carbs
good protien sources
and supplements

see Gauf's journal on this forum for info on Supps

I think for me slowly introducing good foods works well soon you will be craving them as they make you feel more alive

best wishes  

Baja

[orphanedhawk]

A change in diet can be beneficial. I'm not familiar with steatosis but I had cirrhosis until my transplant. I changed my diet and kept acsites at bay for 3years.
(BTW: when I was diagnosed I already had decompensated cirrhosis and ascites. I probably had cirrhosis for at least 9 years prior)

I was living on only 8% of my liver at the time of my transplant and other than  extreme fatigue I didn't have the problems many do who are that ill.
Definitely my diet and exercising  made a difference.
I believe it helped me recover as well as I did from the transplant as well.

There are lots of foods good for the liver, like beets and artichokes.
Do a search.
Limit your intake of salt and iron. Salt is a big problem, its in everything. Read labels.
An overabundance of iron alone can cause cirrhosis.

You can become a vegetarian but you want to eat things like tofu ( the white kind is best) and tofu milk, to help with your albumin levels. Egg whites are good too.
I ate almost exclusively organic and no red meat. Fish is good as long as there's no mercury in it.
Your liver filters everything so avoid additives and stay away from noxious fumes as well.

A limited diet doesn't have to mean flavorless. You can use garlic, ginger,herbs and spices. Tumeric is supposed to be very good for the liver and the Thai's claim chili peppers are as well.

And exercise. I walked and walked everyday that I could. It's good for all of your body including your liver.

If you are interested in supplements, bromelian is good for inflamation (inflammation). It is made from pineapple. You could just eat tons of pineapple I suppose.
I took omega 3 fish oil as well as others including a multiple vitamin w/o iron.

Good luck.
OH

[Bill1954]

I believe dietary protein is important if you have cirrhosis. I heard they used to recommend meat free diets years ago in order to avoid the development of hepatic encephalopathy; however, this has changed since we better understand how to manage this condition.

If you choose a meat free lifestyle, I’d discuss this with your doctor to ensure adequate protein intake—

Bill

[Rockerforlife]

Salmon is great,its the fish with very low levels of toxins,not too be eaten everyday tho, a couple times a week is fine.If you crave meat and think you will die if you dont eat it,just eat meat from animals that are feed organic foods and with no steriods and vaccines.I do eat the occassional organic chicken,i just gobbled one back for thanksgiving,and i love wild moose when i go home for the holidays.



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[jessiejames1973]

why is meat bad for you. i hate all sea food , what could i eat instead please ?

[22hamilton]

Thanks Guys, well I think the time has come to get serious about this. I will mean a complete shift in my eating habits, I need to start with food types and pay some time to setting up recipes etc. If anyone has any fave recipes or maybe recipe guides I would be over the moon. Dont know what's happening to me but cant concentrate or think straight these days. Will try to digest your posts.
Thanks again

[mhudnall]

Leafy greens are alkalyzing agents in the blood.

The Hep c virus is dependent on an acidic intracellular pH to penetrate and infect new cells.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1367161

Diet can play a big factor in quality of life when not on treatment.

Mike H

[Rockerforlife]

Its fatty meats that are bad,lean meats are great as long as there no pesticides,hormones,vaccines,and antibiothics in it,simple.Commerical meatS( my belief)
is toxic


"The best six doctors anywhere
And no one can deny it
Are sunshine, water, rest, and air
Exercise and diet.
These six will gladly you attend
If only you are willing
Your mind they'll ease
Your will they'll mend
And charge you not a shilling".

[Bali05]

Protein is very important. I have a seafood aversion and since red meat is loaded
with iron I stick to organic poultry,organic low fat dairy, organic vegetable protein (beans ect..)A very easy way to measure your protein is pure  Whey Protein. I use a product
called YourWhey.com. No Iron,No Fat,No Carbs just good amino acids that are
easily asimilated. Mix it into yogurt,oat meal ect.... The manufacturer even claims
improving blood panel for Hep B patients by using the product.
Once in a while a lean grass fed steak or venison can be good to. It is food not poison.
If you do not get enough protein your body will start breaking down muscle so
as long as you can handle it take your daily dosis (half of body weight in grams approx)

Thinking of doing a cleansing fast . Anybody with some reccos?

[jessiejames1973]

sorry to be thick
is meat bad for youbecause of the high protein, or the iron ? or just cos of the chemicals? dont vegetable contain a ton of pesticides?

[Rockerforlife]

What ever you do.DO NOT eat deli meats... sodium nitrates and the liver are a bad combo

[WriteItDown]

You have two issues with meat: 1) saturated fat and cholesterol, and 2) pesticide and hormone and antibiotic residues.

Commercially produced meat comes from cattle that are fed unnatural diets, and heavily dosed with antibiotics to keep them healthy. In addition, pesticide residues accumulate in the fat of an animal that has eaten them, so when you eat meat, you are also getting all the pesticides that animal has eaten.  

Additionally, there is also the fact that commercially-raised beef is made to have lots of fat marbling the meat, so it has a high amount of saturated fat and cholesterol.

If you have access to wild game, know a hunter who will share some venison or other game with you, that should be very lean and healthy.  If that's a no-go, and you can afford it, you can try organic grass-fed free-range beef or buffalo, or organic free-range chicken.  That should be both leaner and have less pesticide residues.

I think eggs are also a good source of protein and although they are high in cholesterol many new studies do not link egg consumption with high serum cholesterol.
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[nygirl7]

Yes deli meats are about the worst thing in the world for you they say. Processed meats - nobody should really eat stuff like that.

I am a carnivore but on treatment even the smell of it sometimes made me gak.

[WriteItDown]

clarification:  "don't vegetables also contain pesticides?"

The answer is yes, but there is this thing called "bioaccumulation" which I alluded to before, meaning that the animal that consumes pesticides will accumulate them in its tissue, and therefore meat products can contain a lot more.

[nygirl7]

Oh I'm a liar cheeseburgers never did - but real beef type slabs of beef seemed to be like Fred Flintstone meat to me for some reason.

The best advice you can get is when you are hungry on treatment eat. Sometimes those days are few and far in between and ice cream can be your best best friend :)

[jessiejames1973]

Thank you for your concise  and informative reply, i very much appreciate it ,

Jessie

[Andiamo1]

Dr Dieterich advised me to give up carbs, not protein.  I went on the South Beach diet and feel dramatically better.  It's not a diet I will stay on, but I think the advice to give up meat is wrong for people with fatty liver. It's carbs that come from too much sugar, alcohol and processed food that is the main culprit.  There are many other reasons not to eat too much meat so that is also good advice.

The cure for fatty liver is reducing carbohydrates.

[Rockerforlife]

Id rather eat dead skunks scrapped of the road than commecial cattle.


'Sickness is the vengeance of nature for the violation of her laws".  ~Charles Simmons


Dont mess with mother nature,shes tuff

[WriteItDown]

You're most welcome.  I just noticed, however, that you're in the UK -- I guess venison is harder to come by there!  I also don't know what sort of environmental regulations regarding raising animals for food you have in the UK.  But I imagine the general principles still hold.

[Rockerforlife]

I downloaded a video that was taken by a hidden camera inside of slaughter houses.I saved it .im lucky because it was taken down .If you seen what really happens to the anaimals,you would be appalled.The workers actually abuse them and punch the in the faces just for past time on there breaks.And other cruelty i cannot even mention here.


William James
"Each of us literally chooses, by his way of attending to things, what sort of universe he shall appear to himself to inhabit"

[Rockerforlife]

http://www.earthlings.com/

here it is

[copyman]

Just curious. How are you overweight with the diet you profess to eat? I didn't know blue green alge was fattening?

[Magnum]

Look into pomegranate as a very high source of anti-oxidants. Pure pomegranate juice. Much higher than green tea.

I often steam vegetables (peas, Brussel sprouts, baby lima beans and carrots). When they’re steamed al dente, put them in a bowl, then cut some pieces of cheddar cheese, put them on top of the steamed vegetables. Put the bowl in a microwave for 2 minutes. The cheese will melt over everything. Stir it up and if you're like me, sprinkle some hot sauce on top, stir again... Healthy...

Magnum

[Rockerforlife]

i just eat a lot of green slime and 3 lbs of apples at once,a whole loaf of pita bread ,1/4 cup flax seed .2 bananas. 2 large bowls of soup,all my oils...must i go on?..read my profile,im stuffed like turkey

Thomas Merton
"We are so obsessed with doing that we have no time and no imagination left for being. As a result, men are valued not for what they are but for what they do or what they have—for their usefulness."

[Rockerforlife]

eat all this in one day and tell me you wont get full


.Organic Whey (Progressive)
2.Organic Greens RX
3.Organic Coconut Oil (Alfa DME)
4.Raw Organic Eggs
4.Almonds(roasted)
5.Blueberry Juice
6.Organic Apples and Bananas
8.Ginger (root,powder and candy)
9.Organic Rice(brown)
10.Vit- D
11.Mushroom Extract (cordyceps))
13.Blue Green Algae (stem enhance)
14,Distilled Water
15.Ground Flax Seeds
16.Red Ginseng Liquid Extract
17.Magnesium Supplement
18.Stevia
19.Blackstrap Molasses
20.Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil
21.Tea (black,green,spearmint,licorice,chamile)
22.Raw Organic Sugar
23.Organic Apple Cidar Vineager
24.Pototoes,frozen veggie mix
25.Tumeric
26.Organic Raw Caco Chips
27.Organic Soya "ice cream"




Robert Service
"Be master of your petty annoyances and conserve your energies for the big, worthwhile things. It isn't the mountain ahead that wears you out - it's the grain of sand in your shoe"

[Rockerforlife]

AFTER my whey shake and eggs and my olive oil im full already

[orphanedhawk]

Concerning meat: we are omnivores, set up to eat some of most everything.
Balance is the key.
For years I lived on a farm where we raised our own meat, pork, sheep,chickens, and rabbits. There was also a wonderful diverse vegetable garden and an old orchard.

During this time, I didn't eat any beef for years. When I did eat beef it sat like a boulder in my stomach. Although I like the flavor, I don't eat it.

As stated by others, the healthiest way to eat is for your food to be as free of pesticides, hormones, herbicides, additives, if possible.

However my mother is 91, still living on her own, has few health problems and eats as much icecream as she can get.
She's never cared where her food came from as long as it tasted good.
Eat and enjoy!

[jessiejames1973]

thanks for replying,

i agree about the balance issue, it seems odd that i am so concerned about food quality and intake ,after so many years of abuse!

[WriteItDown]

When people talk about what is "natural" for humans to eat, and use it as an argument that we are designed to eat meat, I usually say, Yeah, but we were also designed to have to chase it for a week before eating it!

It's a joke, but when you think about it, it makes sense.  Humans were made to exercise a lot (finding plants, hunting animals, and running away from danger), and the meat we ate was itself very lean, since it was spending all its time running away from predators.  So nowadays when we sit on our bums all day typing into computers ;) and the animals stand in a stall all day being fattened on unnatural food to be more tender, things are a bit different.

I do think meat in moderation is, or can be, part of a good diet, but it's a lot better for you if it's lean the way meat would have been in the good old, old, old days.  And if you're moving your own body a reasonable amount that helps too!

[Rockerforlife]

Did you know that the pesticdes they use are designed to penetrate the flesh of apples and other plants.You cant wash it off.



"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not."- Mark Twain

[nygirl7]

if you ever stop to think of all the toxins that go into the water table you start to realize that nothing on the earth is good for us to eat anymore....but that solution doesn't work.

I don't think a random cheeseburger is going to kill anybody but living on them and nothing else certainly isn't going to help you.

Moderation as in all things seems the best advice for anyone and just like doctor have been saying all our lives diet and exercise is the best way to live a healthy life.

[Rockerforlife]

You hit the nail on the head.Even i eat commerically proceesed food as "treat"...i had a pizza with commerical checken meat on it...but  not every day is not for me.Moderation for me with commerical proceesd foods is done extremely...i just love whole foods with no pesticdes(ORGANIC)



Oscar Wilde
The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.