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Of course, read the news with a healthy dose of skeptism also. Who knows where this drug will be two years from now, but given the current profile of the FDA, this drug will probably receive either a "priority review," a "fast track designation" or "accelerated approval."
As I said in the earlier post, don't make clinical decisions based upon these results, but watch the development of this drug carefully. It is interesting from a scientific standpoint and encouraging from a patient perspective.
What I do not see anywhere in this posting is whether or not a SVR was obtained. If SVR is not obtained, what signifigance is the VL drop? Many of us obtain undetectable statis, yet relapse. Many go months of NO VL at all, yet do not obtain a SVR..And the time frame in which these patients where monitored is minute. I won't get my hopes up till I see some LONGTERM results, LARGER numbers of patients, and the word SVR mentioned in the conclusion..
Btw, I think it's safe to assume that most people posting or lurking here remember all the discussion that took place a few months back about the persistence of virions after SVR. But it's an important reminder nonetheless. Welcome to the list, by the way!
I have been watching Vertex since an article appeared on my Yahoo page (via Forbes) on 25 Jan 2005. If you like annotate coincidence I was called on 24 Jan 2005 and told that I had 'flunked out of school' on the IDEAL study for my 12 wek VL test. I only had a 1.8log10 drop in my VL and the study required 2log10 drop at 12 weeks. I could not have be happier, than to be told that I did not have to take my shot that night--I suffered a lot of sx from tx (and they seemed to be increasing).
So, the next morning, I show up at work (I think I was there) start up my browser and here is a news item on Vertex VX-950. Fate? Ying and Yang? Devine intervention--I don't know. But it was a 'sign' of some kind--that I know.
I have listened to their webcast/presentations that VRTX has made at several financial conferences. One of the webcast had the powerpoint slides included.
The most interesting slide depicted an Invitro (sp?) testing of HCV, HCV vs Inf/RBA, and HCV vs VX-950 over a 30 day period.
The most important information was the 14-day point. HCV was constant across the 30 days. Inf/RBA vs HCV showed a 2log10 drop in viral load (VL) at the 14 day point, but then it climbed back to steady state.
VX-950 vs HCV showed a continous decline in VL--down to 0 at the 14 day point and then flat-lined (at 0) through the 30 day point.
Vertex is going to present a 'formal' finding of their data on May 17 at the Digestive Disease Week (DDW) conference. Since their trial data is following their experiment data I (me, no one else, only my opinion, a stupid aviator) expect for them to announce that the 30 day data is--in my very uninformed, non-scientific, non-medical, non-professional, only-hoping, opinion--complete SVR (I'll even say the 'word'--Cure).
mawg
Thanks for your response. For yours, maybe mine and everyone elses sake who has HCV, I hope this is the magic bullet we seek. I am intrigued by the potential of this treatment. It is worth watching, but it will be a while before it's ready for the masses.
Snook man,
You asked the same question as I did and brought up some good points. Until there is documentation of SVR over a period of time, we shouldn't get too excited yet.
Yep, my VL was only 4000 going into tx. For more than two years I was told that I did NOT have HCV anymore, and must have fought it off. Initial Dr visit last year, VL was 5463.. I was told it was a mistake. And yes, moderate liver damage.
We have all been around long enough to know that VL does not effect liver damage. All that matters with this disease is SVR!!
What I have found on the net and by asking Dr's their opinion about my condition, is that I have a VERY strong immune system. My body was fighting extremly hard to keep the virus at bay, at the same time actually speeding up the fibrosis progression.
LMAO... Hmm, that picture was Snook_man just doing what he does.. That was a 20lb snook caught on the SW cape of Florida.
Hope all is well with you, and you are enjoying your new life HCV free! I'll be joining you soon!
<a href=http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/443005_7><b>HCV - The Case for Selective Treatment</b></a>
However....a Phase 1B clinical trial is to prove the efficacy and toxicity of a drug in a very small, controlled group of patients (30 or less). If successful the Phase II trial will treat a greater patient population but with the same goals for efficacy and toxixity. Phase III is when it becomes real and involves many (thousands) of patients. Pase IV is basically pre-production and release of the drug.
We should all be encouraged but don't view this as the cure, yet. NM283 is another worth watching as well.
"But the patient with minimal fibrosis, how can you help them? I think those patients are best deferred until treatment improvements take place in the future."
It's good to get some validation from someone with his credentials.
Susan
"I began by saying that virtually all patients should be treated for chronic HCV. Obviously, there are some patients where you may consider deferring or not using therapy at all. Patients who have a long duration of disease with minimal evidence of damage on biopsy, particularly those with genotype 1, may wish to defer treatment until a more effective therapy for genotype 1 is available or one with fewer side effects. Older patients who have minimal disease, particularly those with major medical problems, are also good candidates for deferral of therapy. However, whenever one chooses to defer therapy, follow-up periodic liver biopsies are required and this must be taken into consideration and discussed with the patient as well."
It's all about juggling risk and benefit. If I were a doc, I would definitely have a hard time accepting the fact that I might well increase the suffering of some percentage of my patients with the medications I prescribe.