also a higher percentage of drs say they will use telaprevir - probably due to earlier projected release date
thats funny i just read where boceprevir posted the highest svr rate for first timers ever - but duration of treatment was longer
Hello everyone , when I was on a previous therapy, two years ago, >I had lots of rash problems. I went to a very good dermatologist. He said, that is absolutely wrong to take corticosteroids, while on therapy specially, and gave me a cream, which helped me really. If I find prescription, with latin name ingrediants, I will post it to you all.
The boceprevir anemia is very manageable with procrot as always. I have found little sides brom boce besides anemia and a little harsh on the gi tract, but for me not bad. I also would want to treat longer with geno 1a.
I am not convinced about the 24 week tx period with some of the new drugs. Telaprevir sounds like a great drug if you don't get the rash, I would want to use it for longer then 24 weeks, or at least spend some time after the 24 weeks just taking inf and riba.
I was allowed to use steroidal cream on my rash and it basically had no effect whatsoever. I was only allowed the over the counter strength. I still will choose to say "I'll pass on the Telaprevir", but that's just me and my choice. When you live in Florida in this heat that last thing that I want to have to do is walk around in Aug in a long sleeve shirt and pants with sunscreen underneath my clothes and steroidal cream all over me, just to deal with a d*rn Telaprevir rash and that's what it was like for me when I was on the Telaprevir. Susan400
Some trials offer complete freedom to use rescue meds at the discrection of the Dr. Especially trials in the later stages. During the earlier stages, I think they may not often offer the rescue drugs because they are often trials primarily about safety and dosing and rescue drugs would skew the results.
My friend is enrolling in a trial for BMS-79005 (phase 2b), I think they can use all the rescue drugs at the doctors discretion. The boceprevir trial that many of are currently enrolled in is a different situation because if is a trail that was specifically approved by the fda to learn how to manage anemia induced by boce/riba combo. Therefore one of the arms of this trial is to randomize to either reduced riba or epo.
You can't throw all trials in a bucket together. You have to look at them individually and understand the downside and make a decision about the risks compared to the gains and how far along your disease is of course will play a big roll in your choice.
People with more advanced disease will naturally be willing to try some of the earlier phase trials because they feel they have less choices.
- Dave
Trials are different from final medical treatment when released to public. There will be treatment options for side effects not available to trial participants with room for MDs to manage pt side effects. Trials offer little wiggle room for tx of sx.
Judy
I can't disagree with you Susan. I don't know enough about them to have a firm opinion about it.
Mike
I think you are very wise to wait and see Susan - once it's open to the general public (and not so closely controlled a population) we will see what happens.
I know you are just the messenger, so trust, me I won't "kill the messenger" ha-ha. I am just stating for the record that I really have no plan whatsoever to jump on the bandwagon of Telaprevir when it gets approved. I am no as gung-ho about this 'miracle-drug' as the rest of the hep-c community appears to be. It is my uneducated prediction that there we still be gobs of other people who will have a severe rash and will not wish to continue on w/the Telap. I mean look at all the people who can't even handle straight SOC and drop out before completion. Do you really think that those who get a rash so bad that it causes hives the site of quarters over a large portion of their body, to where it appears they've been splashed with boiling water..., are really going to want to continue it? I may be totally wrong and I'll be the first to admit that it won't be the first time. I'd rather take my chances with anemia and neutropenia of Boce and a longer treatment run, and include rescue drugs, before I'd want to go through that h*ll of Telap again.
Susan400
You might consider researching steroids. Anabolic,/Androgenic Steroids are not anything like Corticosteroids except for the fact that their structure is chemically based on a steroid nucleus. When we're talking about the immunosuppressive characteristics of Corticosteroids (Prednisone/Solu-Medrol) and you start talking about Anabolic Steroids it's clear that you do not understand what is being discussed.
"...Different Types of Steroids
There are two types of steroids present within the body. Corticosteroids are produced in the adrenal gland located above the kidney. These hormones include aldosterone, which helps regulate sodium concentration in the body, and cortisol, which plays many roles in the body, including serving as part of the body's stress response system to decrease inflammation. Commonly prescribed corticosteroid medications, like prednisone, prednisolone, and dexamethasone are available to be taken by mouth, intravenously, or by intramuscular injection and may be used to treat diseases like asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, and systemic lupus erythematosus in which inflammation is part of the disease process. The use of steroid ointments and creams on the skin, like triamcinolone and betamethasone, is common in the treatment of dermatitis (derm=skin + itis=inflammation).
The second group of steroids, the androgenic/anabolic steroids, are hormones made in the body to regulate the manufacture of testosterone in the testicles and ovaries. The androgenic part of testosterone is involved in developing the male sex characteristics, while the anabolic part is involved in increasing the amount of body tissue by increasing protein production. The pituitary gland, located at the base of the brain, helps regulate testosterone production and hormone secretion. Growth hormone and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are among the hormones that stimulate testis and ovary function and are two of the many hormones secreted by the pituitary.
Anabolic and androgenic steroids are available as prescription medications to be used in cases in which the body does not make enough hormone and supplementation may be required. Some hormone supplements in this pathway include growth hormone and testosterone itself. These medications are legally prescribed by health-care providers, but this group of drugs is often used illegally and abused to help increase athletic performance and improve body appearance. When used in a well-nourished body, anabolic steroids will cause weight gain primarily due to an increase in muscle mass...."
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/steroids/page2_em.htm
Mike
HA I have the stick today........you can have it tomorrow but I beat ya by one minute. Jez we are great minds ;)
Booyah or otherwise known as boo to the yah!
Consensus interferon is Infergen
Cory I think you are a bit confused - Consensus interferon is INFERGEN. Pegasys is just a brand name.
Clarifying the difference between different types of steroids. Much similar to interferon, there are several different types. Can generally be referred to as Peginterferon. There's Roche's Pegasys, peginterferon alfa-2a. Schering-Ploughs Pegintron, peginteferon alfa-2-b. I've also heard of consensus interferon, and then the company three rivers. AND then infergen which is suppose to be difficult from what I heard.
Cory
Prednisone/Solu-medrol are not anabolic steroids. They are corticosteroids. They are synthesized cortisone which is a natural substance in the body. Corticosteroids are primarily used to control inflammation and manage pain. They exert a profound effect on the immune system and can be used to control acute organ rejection in a transplant recipient.
Anabolic steroids are "synthetic versions of male testosterone and increase protein synthesis in cells and thus promote muscle growth and mass. Prescription steroids are part of therapy to increase appetite in people with diseases such as Cancer and Aids, promote growth, induce puberty, and stimulate bone growth."
I was referring to corticosteroids when I said they would not be good in a HCV/treatment situation because of their immunosuppressive properties.
Mike
If approved, boceprevir may have a tough time competing against Vertex's hepatitis C drug telaprevir, which will also be filed for approval later this year. Results from a similar Vertex study in so-called "treatment-naïve" hepatitis C patients released in May showed that telaprevir plus the standard of care achieved a cure rate of 75%.
I think the information in the article is good. It's interesting to see not every study is going to have the same set of #'s. Looks like Telaprevir has better results like I've read all along. I also read that 39% of Telaprevir participants had the rash in one article.
Seems the rash issue has been addressed and wasn't as bad in the phase 3 study. My rash was minor and nothing more then you would get with the regular riba rash. I think telaprevir formula was changed for the phase 3 trial. If indeed the rash is no longer an issue then that gives Vertex another jump over Merck.
can you take steriods with hep c though? i heard you couldnt , topicaly it would be fine but i am not sure about oral use
Studies show that, over time, anabolic steroids can take a heavy toll on a person's health. Abuse of injectable or oral anabolic steroids is associated with increased risk for heart attacks and strokes, and the abuse of most oral anabolic steroids is associated with increased risk for severe liver problems, including hepatic cancer. People who share needles or use nonsterile injection techniques can put themselves at risk for contracting dangerous infections, such as HIV/AIDS, hepatitis B and C, and bacterial endocarditis. Anabolic steroids abuse can also cause undesirable body changes, "Men may develop enlarged breasts and women's bodies may become masculinized.
The drug was developed in the 1930's by Adolf and now has several uses. There are several reasons why someone would take anabolic steroids. One use is to treat Hypogonadism. "Hypogonadism" is when the testes don't produce enough testosterone for normal growth, reproduction, and sexual purposes. Other medical reasons would be for sexual impotency and to treat certain effects of HIV and other diseases as well. Anabolic steroids are a synthetic version of male testosterone called androgens. It's main effect is to accelerate and improve body growth. They do this by promoting growth of tissues and skeletal muscles which enhances male features of the body.
The side effects of improper steroid use can be severe. The effects on men can cause entire reproductive organs to be at stake. Temporary and even permanent impotence is a possible side effect. Steroids can also lead to lower sperm count, shrinking of the testes, impotency, baldness, and can even cause urination troubles. The effects on women are growths similar to a male like a much deeper voice and abnormal growth of body hair. The use of anabolic steroids can be extremely dangerous and should never be done without a licenses professional, the supervision of a licenses professional, or a doctor. Cory.
It's interesting that the vertex study showed 44 percent success with soc plus placebo as apposed to the boceprevir study which was 38 percent for soc plus a placebo. I guess the vertex placebo has some antiviral qualities. My guess is that in reality they are very close. I think they both act on the same parts of the hcv molecule.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/health/05drug.html
Merck said that in one trial of 1,097 patients getting treatment for hepatitis C for the first time, 66 percent of those who had a 48-week regimen that included boceprevir had a sustained virologic response. That compared with 38 percent for those who got the existing therapy plus a placebo.
The corresponding figures from Vertex’s Phase 3 trial were 75 percent and 44 percent.
the rash was not that bad for me, after I got some meds.
Let's hope they have some solutions for the tetaprevir rash when it hits the market. Those of use who have been on tx and have past experiences will help the MD decide which drug is best for them.
I worry ahead of time, something counsel others not to do. I dont know if I'll get a rash or not. Not sure what will be the solution, I hope there is one.