hr,jmjm/all ?about suppliment

[kcrandy]

i was wondering if anyone has heard of a supp i believe is called mms.  i was told that it has good response for those with hepc and keeping the virus at bay.  i asked what the contents are of this and was told by the doctor who believes in this product that it contains 28% sodium chloride and 78% saline, water i believe.  was told that there is good response to this tx for those in third world countries and that the pharm are fighting the test of this tx because it works.  i am curious what you all think. since i was a good responder on my first tx and relapsed should i look into this suppl or should i just wait for the new drugs to come along.
thanks you all.  :O)

[copyman]

First off this thread is 5 years old!

Glad the MMS is working for you. Perhaps it is making you feel better but keep in mind it will not cure you and every day the HCV is attacking your liver. This disease has a way of sneaking up on you and BAM! Once you have cirrhosis the whole game plan changes, i.e. less chance of cure, longer duration of treatment, bigger chance of liver cancer, etc.

Stop wasting your money on snake oil and treat the HCV before it is to late.

best of luck

[piscesgirl52]

Well, I would just like to comment  to a POSITIVE RESULTS from the MMS. I have had Hep C,1B for 27 yrs. from a blood transfusion with my last delivery of my baby. I started taking it Mar.16th and I started out with small amounts and got up to 15 drops X's 2, and boy did I have a healing crisis day one day on about the 20th day of into it!  Went to the washroom a lot that day, good thing I was home. By supper, I was feeling SOOO crappy, that I could barely stomach my supper, felt like the flu. I finally went to bed very early, and then the next morning I got up and boy did I felt GREAT! I had so much energy. I get my blood work done every 3 months, so, I went to the hospital to get my blood work done on April the 16th. MY blood work went from AST>124 to 44, and Alt>168 to 45 and GGT>31 to 18, all in one month!! WOW, I haven't had blood work like this in so many years. Even my goiter on my neck even feels smaller than it has been. If I only get feeling a "little crappy" on this stuff, it is nothing to compare been on the toxins drugs that the doc's want to shove on us to take all time just because they think we are a "Good Candidate", but they do tell you though that it might not even a be sure thing either. So, for those of you out there, who don't have HepC and are on this log, you shouldn't judge the MMS so harshly either. It's working for me and that is all the matters. I have been in Hep C group meetings for years in the past and known lots of people who took the drugs for Hep C. Some of them had a very tough time and some made it worse and died after taking those toxins drugs and went into "more" liver failure than they started with. And I have also known two people who took these drugs and their Hep C came BACK!! So, do you or don't you?? Again it is a choice to take the risk or not.                                  I have a friend who brought back a horse from it's death bed, it was so sick and skinny, the vet wanted to put it down. She didn't like that idea and gave the horse MMS, guess what, the horse is still alive today and doing quite well. I also have another friend who said his friend was dying a few years ago from cancer, (in Edmonton, Alberta) the doc's gave up on him and told him to get his personal stuff together before he died. He was introduced to MMS later that week and decided to try it because this really was he last straw, he is alive to this day!!  So, I believe it is up to the individual when it comes to MMS and have some faith, eat well, no booze.                                                                                                            I notice someone on the blog, who said they were trying MMS it and it really wasn't working after 3 weeks, but he was drinking 5 glasses of BOOZE a day! But decided to cut down to one! REALLY??!  It is suppose to be a detox, not party time. Booze is the worst thing for your Hep C. Some of us have had Hep C for a very long time, so it will take a bit of time to stay on it to see the results down the road for some of us,. It took us years to get a toxin liver, it will take time to detox our livers. You have to stay on the Toxins drugs the doctors want to give us up to a year almost, and you can get very sick on them. Throwing up, feeling crappy most of the year, from losing your hair, and screwing up our immune system to boot with these drugs. Not to mention, the cost is about $16,0000.00 for the year. I'm covered for this but, I not willing to take them, and again that's my choice. So, if you are going to try MMS, eat, drink, sleep well, with no stress, and maybe you will see the good results that you want in life. HAVE A GREAT TOO!! BE POSITIVE!

[CoWriter]

rken said to me....

"Thank you for sharing with your INCITEFUL and educational posts."

I'm sure he meant "insightful", don't you think?

LOL

[rken]

bye to you all and i hope you all the best in your treatment. my friend has joined the site and fend for himself. maybe you can answer his questions about elevated enzyine levels. good luck rken

[thaijack]

"It wouldn't surprise me if your 'guinea pig', who has repeatedly voiced skepticism about MMS, soon posts that he is miraculously cured by it.  It is looking more to me like a coordinated effort."


Hi portann....I'm the 'guinea pig' that you refered to and I can assure you that rken and I are not a coordinated effort.  rken has his own agenda and what I have is hep c/geno 1a....honestly!! We are two different people and see some things differently.  I can prove by 6+ yrs of lab tests and dr's report if you need it to reassure yourself.
If you had read my other posts, you would have seen my history.

I do admit out of desparation from the hopelessness of geno 1a tx, I experimented with this MMS [then stopped after LFT were elevated] and have had doubts from the beginning and may live to regret my decision about experimenting.  In three days, i hope to have results from the LFT tests I get tomorrow and will post.  
Please wish me the best and I'll wish you the same......

[HARRYBEADS]

Let the fool be, at least he won't stink when he's dead.

Harry

[alagirl]

After reading your post I did some research and I found many anecdotes on a third party site that had provided space where people were supposed to be giving accolades about how well MMS worked.  They were from unfortunate people who had hep c and tried MMS, hoping for a cure.  Not one of them was "cured" and many of them became very ill, on top of being ill with hep c.  If you keep posting links to quack cures that could be injurious to people I personally will ask to have them removed and you banned.  I provided information to you about a hep c related question, because that's what this site is for.  

There is a lot of disinformation about hepatitis c and this is a site for support and information for people who have hep c or who care about people with hep c, to share information about hep c and to help people in the treatment of hep c.  We even provide people with information on how to contact those pharmaceutical companies you hate so much in order to ask for help with free medication in order to treat, something we have seen the pharmaceutical companies do time and time again for people who are unable to afford their meds.  This site is not a for profit site designed for the promotion and sale of products, particular not ineffective and possibly dangerous products that have absolutely no research to back up their efficacy.

[portann]

The mandate of this forum is listed at the top of the thread, as follows:

"This forum is for questions about medical issues and research aspects of Hepatitis C such as, questions about being newly diagnosed, questions about current treatments, information and participation in discussions about research studies and clinical trials related to Hepatitis."

Rken, although I listened to you politely when you first posted, you have worn out your credibility. By your unrelenting persistence, you have not demonstrated to me that you merely want to present scientific data at odds with mainstream thought but that in fact you have a deliberate agenda. It wouldn't surprise me if your 'guinea pig', who has repeatedly voiced skepticism about MMS, soon posts that he is miraculously cured by it.  It is looking more to me like a coordinated effort. That is just my reaction, since you simply won't  leave well enough alone and always want the last word.

You have no idea how crucial this forum is to many of us currently on treatment and how it reaches out to help people in real, sometimes desperate need. Please find a different forum. Thank you.

[bandman54]

http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=873

read all about it!

bandman

[rken]

Thank you for sharing with your inciteful and educational posts. However i think you misinterpreted the statement about him discovering Chlorine dioxide. he didn't. He was the first to mix citric acid annd sodium chlorite to  produce a unique cure for malaria or so he claims. Your are right it has been used in municipal water treatment plants for years and in small doses, such as you get in water treatment it does not burn your throat and in the dosage given in his protocal it creates no burning in the throat.

It is currently being used in a variety of prescription drugs to treat ALS, MS, Aids and is being studied in the US and other countries for its effectiveness in treating Hep C.

http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/patentid/7105183.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WF_10

I hope i get to talk with you again.

[CoWriter]

Oh no, no, no.  I'm not falling for that one.  I'm not getting into a big discussion on why you shouldn't be drinking distilled water.

[Rockerforlife]

now you know why i only drink distillled water

[CoWriter]

Let me show you why promoting this junk is plain wrong......

Chlorine Dioxide is a potent desinfectant agent used in water treatment and in bleaching.  It's used to bleach flour, paper and wood.  Eating or drinking it can cause irritation in the mouth, esophagus, or stomach and it can be toxic in certain amounts.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts160.html#bookmark05


The MMS website says.....

"MMS was discovered in 1996 by humanitarian, Jim Humble, while working in the jungles of South America."

And you know what I say?  I say not only is Mr Humble not very humble, he's also a LIAR.  Chlorine dioxide has been used for water treatment since 1944.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

His website also says.....

"I have given it to many people with one of the hepatitis diseases A, B, or C. I can GUARANTEE that 30 drops will make ANY hepatitis patient FEEL VERY SICK, but it will also CURE THEM."

And I say?

Liar, liar pants on fire!  You don't need anything to "cure" Hepatitis A.  Hepatitis A goes away by itself and once you've had it,  you can never catch it again.  So they are obviously lying about what this product can do.  

Making claims about a supplement being able to CURE hepatitis is ILLEGAL and violates FDA guidelines.  

This product can hurt people....and promising a "cure" to people who are ill is morally wrong!  I will be HAPPY to submit a complaint about this product to the FDA.  

Thank you for bringing it up to our attention so we can do something about it.  

And by all means, email a copy of my post to Mr Humble.

[rken]

Are you saying that because she got sick on this treatment it is not working or will not work. I have heard a lot of testimony and this and other Hep C sites of people getting sick on Interfuron, does that mean it does not work also.

Here is a link showing at least in animal that chlorine dioxide does not harm digestive track flora. it also show that it kills samonella and e. coli in lymph tissue.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2001/010305.htm

Thanks for your concern.

[CanaryParker]

Butting in again....

I have a friend who has been against my advice...taking MMS...and another who tried it and got very sick and quit.
And they followed the instructions to the letter, dropped dosages when getting so sick...bad bad runs, nausia...always smelling that chlorinated swimmingpool odor...

BAD STUFF....like going back in time... taking mercury for syphilus/sp  and other ills..and one day...treatments for diseases of today will look barbaric and ignorant too.

This person..upon checking out this MMS stuff as deep as i could get as it is limited due to most of the sites are selling and are part of the 'discoverer',  a Jim Humble....
sounds exactly like someone who promotes it on other sites....with inconsistantcies/sp and all.

It does mess with stomach flora and a host of other functions...some extremely serious.
People go to those sites desparately seeking a cure...trying all kinds of things.
Check out curezone.org as well......there is a support forum and a debate forum in regards to MMS.
Alarming! Questions like...my poop is green, my liver hurts, urine is dark, kidneys hurt, and on and on.....and most do not see doctors and get tests!
A few have..with hcv, hiv....not a cure in sight. No change to worse with the viruses.
This rken sounds exactly like a person there.
I do alternatives so am not closed minded...but things like this is pure quackery..snake oil....but did research for the sake of my friends.
Never heard of it until they brought it up....everything is based on what that Jim Humble says..with no evidence to substantiate  the claims whatsoever.
Don't bother debating. Waste of time and energy...but will say to anyone thinking of trying it....read all the jargon, etc. form the 'free' online book..pay for the rest of it if one wants to read on!...and the continued changing stories, changing protocols, changing ideas, theories or whatever they are...and those claims of curing malaria in Malawi..and HIV/AIDS in Africa...wow...guess that's why it's called Miracle Mineral Supplement.

i do apologize for this rant...but this gets on my last nerve...more predators on the sick.

[rken]

Thank you very much for your response. This is exactly the reason I came to this site. Quite the opposite i want him to continue his treatment. I am not connected to any internet site selling MMS. You can look at my other post and the time it was posted about 2 hrs prior to my first post on this site.

I do feel howevery that MMS works for some things. Not all as some of the proponets of MMS would have you believe. I was only responding to the question posted as honestly as I could. I can give you links to jacks post on other forums asking the same question. I wanted to ask the doctor but they are not accepting question. if you could direct people to my question it might go a long way in helping Jack. Thanks once again. link below. Then I can just go away and never be heard from again.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/603404

[alagirl]

I have no idea why you're asking this question, but on the slim chance that you actually have a friend who is using a legitimate tx for hep c, I'll tell you this so you don't try to talk him into stopping tx just because his enzymes went up.

Liver enzymes go all over the place, up, down.  They go up in response to the liver feeling threatened or fragile, but sometimes you never know why.  It doesn't have anything to do with the success of treatment though - people do experience up and down shifts of their enzymes during treatment - my enzymes went up about a month and a half after I started treatment and stayed up througout, probably because I had a lot of blood transfusions - which is not a normal response to treatment, I had pre-existing condition.  After a successful treatment liver enzymes will almost always come down and normalize because the liver is healthier.  That is, unless there is some other factor stressing the liver such as drinking alcohol or adding some other toxin to the liver.  High levels of iron in the blood can cause high liver enzymes.  There are some herbs that are toxic for the liver and they will raise enzymes.  In fact, the universities that have liver dialysis machines have had to use them more often in the attempt to save the lives of people who have shut down their liver taking certain herbal supplements than from people who have had liver failure from prescription medications.  Thats not saying all supplements are toxic, but a person with hep c just needs to run any herbs, supplements and prescription medications by their liver doctor before taking them.

But your friend's viral load is the most important test he takes during treatment.  If he hasn't had a two log drop by his twelth week of treatment its generally considered that he isn't responding well to treatment.   A patient who registers no viral load by their fourth week of treatment is considered to have a truly excellent chance at a cure.

[alagirl]

And JUST in case someone reading the statistics above thinks they're true, they're NOT.  That's just poisoning the well from someone who has no conscience, and does not, in fact, even have hepatitis c.

Most of you already know this, so please ignore this post.  but if someone new comes along, I don't want you to think that people only reach SVR and maintain it 15% of the time.  That's just more BS from this guy who wants to make money off of you and play with your life while your disease progresses, and I would hate for you to become discouraged by a lie that someone told in order to try to make money off of people who are sick.

You only have to read the stories of people on this website to see how many people of all genotypes are treating successfully and maintaining SVR.  Pull the archives to see the announcements of all the people who sign in to update everyone on their continued SVR.  

Right now, successful FIRST time treatment with today's protocols is 45% to 80% dependent upon genotype.  And that's LASTING treatment, not relapse.  In fact, there are studies to show that maintained for a year, successful treatment is permanent 99% of the time.  And its unknown whether that other 1% is actual relapse, or perhaps a new infection.  Of the people who aren't successful the first time, many succeed after treating with a stronger dose, longer treatment time, or by adding a different medical drug to the treatment milieu.  There are only a small number of treatment drugs available, and ALL of them are used in conjection with interferon.  Interferon is a difficult drug on the body, but right now its the one that works in conjuction with the other drugs, so you should be suspicious when people try to sell you on anything that doesn't involve interferon.  

[alagirl]

he's being "so confrontational" because we hate it when shills for bogus and potentially dangerous products come to health websites in an effort to mislead members who are seeking treatment.

He's being "so confrontational" because we fear that perhaps newer and less knowledgeable members could be swayed by the bs of fraudsters like you if we don't, in very strong terms, point out just how much horse puckey your claims are and how bogus your product is so they won't waste their time sending money to a con artist ou instead of investing their time and energy in a treatment that does have a good chance of curing them.

You have been on this website for less than ONE day and you've spent it peddling your fraudlulent cure for hepatitis c.  In fact, every post you've made has been in effort to peddle this ridiculous product and line your pockets.  I'm sure its the only reason you bothered to sign up for an account.

Your claims have nothing to do with medicine, no basis in fact, and no studies to support them.  We get folks like you through all the time who have no conscience and who would do anything to make money off of people who are seeking legitimate answers to their serious health concerns.  When it happens, we have a responsibility to make sure that all of our members our protected, even those who may be newer and may have less ability to spot all of the con artists trying to prey on their disease, and a certain responsibility to ensure, to the extent that it is possible to do so, that false and potentially harmful claims and information are debunked in the strongest terms possible.  

Go peddle it somewhere else.

[mremeet]

"So just maybe bleach in the tiniest dose is a cheap alternative to killing viruses if it doesn't kill you as well."

Portann Dr D was quite obviously ONLY referring to disinfecting jewelry externally to the human body using bleach. His statement in NO way, shape or form endorses the notion that orally or intravenously ingesting bleach will cure you of hep C. And if you believe it will, then why don't you ask him? And if you think disinfectants and biocides that are used to disinfect objects that may come into contact with human beings means that it can be ingested internally for a similar effect, then why not drink ammonia? Mr Clean? Pine Sol? How about eating Dial soap? Put some bacitracin ointment on your cheerios in the morning? I mean, is it just me or does this really need to be explained like this??? LOL

"That said, I personally opted for expensive Western medical treatment but am not deluded into self-righteousness about it, knowing how short it falls in most cases."

Well, you might want to work a little harder at not being deluded and work a little less hard at worrying about being perceived as a self righteous westerner.

[mremeet]

Funny, first you say "Not sure about if it will work for hep c. I have seen some posts that say they were cured on other forum." Then when challenged you say "Like I said I don't know if it will cure Hep C." Then when challenged again you suddenly come out with "I have read of many cures for hep c using MMS and its being used today by doctors for this purpose." So you go from the humble and self deprecating "gosh, dont know nuthin bout this stuff, all's I knows is that it helped me" to the forthright and authoritative "Oh yes, it is used to treat and cure many people with hepatitis C!" I guess if I keep challenging you on how it cured your herpes, dandruff, skin cancer, gastric reflux and dengue, you'll suddenly become a lot more certain of its efficacy and start "remembering facts" that support your "it's good for what ails ya" claims, huh?? lol  

And if you already know MMS cures hep C, then what are you doing here? Don't you remember you said you were researching HCV for your friend? Sounds like your research is over. You're obviously here to sell either a product and/or an idea, you're obviously not researching anything. Research means asking questions, not making statements. And since you've already discovered the $3 cure for HCV, herpes, dandruff, denge, gastric reflux, skin cancer (and I'm sure many other things), why hasn't your friend already been cured of HCV? Haven't you given him this MMS yet? What are you waiting for?

I'll let the others make the call on your big pharma/9-11 conspiracy theories. But I think it's pretty clear at this point what you're all about. ;-)

[HCA]

mre meet is correct insofar as anecdotal quack stuff lowers the level of debate on this forum.
Serious students of HVC have little patience for such posts and those who apprear to advocate panaceas are going to get short shrift-it is flaming but the integrity of the forum has to be maintained.
I haven't even bothered to reaearch this product (there's an opening for you!) but the suggestion in the very first post that the pharmas are trying to suppress research 'because it works' places it firmly in quacksville.
Colloidal silver anyone?

[portann]

i can see quite a heated dispute in progress here but sadly, I am too tired to follow the myriad details of the discussion. it did somehow stir up memories of the controversial issues in that marvelous post-modern novel The Calcutta Chromosome by Amitav Gosh.

Interestingly and with no intended bias or consideration of bleach's toxicity to the human body, I noticed that Dr. Dietrich posted the following response about bleach recently:

"I inherited some of my aunts pierced earrings, she had Hepatitis C. Will soaking them in alcohol kill all the germs from her illness? How long should I soak them?
Doctor's Answer
by Douglas Dieterich, MD
Douglas Dieterich, MD  
Male
New York  
Aug 04, 2008 07:46AM
To: all
Agree. Bleach is the best antiviral there is!


So just maybe bleach in the tiniest dose is a cheap alternative to killing viruses if it doesn't kill you as well. Read the Calcutta Chromosome before expressing a dogmatic belief in one system or another. That said, I personally opted for expensive Western medical treatment but am not deluded into self-righteousness about it, knowing how short it falls in most cases.

[nygirl7]

"I have read of many cures for hep c using MMS and its being used today by doctors for this purpose"

Same bridge for sale - different day - I personally work at the company that owns the Cuisinart brand - anybody wanna buy a juicer, cheap?

Thanks Meet for protecting the chicklets from yet again just another "Juicer".