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CANADA stop bill C51!

I baaaaaaaaaccccck.



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"Well that's an interesting cut and paste opinion piece but it doesn't answer my question.

Do you have any original analysis of your own on Bill C-51?  You posted a link to the bill and I'll ask again.  What components of the Bill would stop you from managing your own health?  What components of the Bill do you find threatening and why?  Be specific."

That should keep him busy for a while

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Well that's an interesting cut and paste opinion piece but it doesn't answer my question.

Do you have any original analysis of your own on Bill C-51?  You posted a link to the bill and I'll ask again.  What components of the Bill would stop you from managing your own health?  What components of the Bill do you find threatening and why?  Be specific.

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HEALTH CANADA’S PHONY ‘CONTAMINATION’ CAMPAIGN

Health Canada claims they need the stern enforcement powers of Bill C-51 because the public needs to be protected from “contaminated” NHPs. A clearer example of the culture of lying and deceit within HC towards NHPs could not be hoped for.

There is a large business being carried on in Canada selling fake drugs. They are largely sold through the anonymity of spam email solicitations or through the unwitting agency of pharmacies or by street trafficking like illegal drugs.

A very small part of fake drug sales are made through the retail channel. Since they cannot be sold openly in a store just as they are, fake drugs have to be disguised. Sometimes they are represented as ‘herbal’ products. The fake drug masquerades as a fake NHP. The peddlers of these goods are not part of the legal NHP business. They are outlaws of the drug business.

We are not in the drug business. This is your dirty laundry Health Canada. The issue is not that REAL Natural Health Products are a problem. It is that HC allows drug carpetbaggers to graze into our territory.

We say to Health Canada: Keep your drugs out of our Natural Health Products.

Besides, is there anyone so naive as to imagine that HC cares about the welfare of someone who got an unexpected Viagra response from a bottle of ‘herbal’ sexual aides they bought at the local convenience store? These bureaucrats are comfortably indifferent to the tens of thousands of Canadians annually who die or suffer adverse effects from the legal drugs they so blithely permit. Almost every day Canadians are informed of studies or reports that find some approved prescription drug or another doesn’t work or causes serious adverse effects. About these things Health Canada does nothing. The hypocrisy of Health Canada on product safety is obscene.

While fake drugs are being sold, does HC attack the legal pharmaceutical industry? When fake watches or DVDs are sold does the government attack the manufacturers of legal watches or DVDs? On what policy basis then does HC attack the NHP industry alone?

Health Canada is attempting to smear the legal NHP industry by false association. We say loud and clear: There are NO examples of compliant NHPs being found ‘contaminated’ with fake drugs. HCs' malicious allegations have no factual basis.

The government should order HC to stop this anti-NHP smear campaign at once. The Minister of Health should conduct a thorough investigation and discipline the responsible officials.

Canadian Natural Health Coalition calls on the Members of Parliament to see the following into law:

1. That Natural Health Products are consecrated as a ‘category’ on a peer basis with Foods and Drugs throughout all legislation;
2. That the legislation fixes the definition of NHPs to be that as currently applies for the NHPD;
3. That the legislation specify that NHPs will be remain available to Canadians in the public domain with specific prohibition of prescription status;
4. That all products containing only natural health ingredients and otherwise complying with Good Manufacturing Practices and labelling requirements be available for sale to consumers on a default basis.

WE CONCLUDE, PLAINLY

The Canadian Natural Health Coalition and the public will no longer tolerate the abuse of power from Health Canada. We will mobilize, organize and focus the power of the majority of Canadians who rightfully demand access to safe, effective and low-cost NHPs. We will wage a ceaseless campaign to bring an end to the tyranny of the current regime at Health Canada.

To our Members of Parliament who at present retain our confidence, if you betray our trust we will confront you in the impending federal election. If you want this issue to go away and for the public to applaud you then fix this NOW.

Permanently.

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Drafted by Robert McMaster

Canadian Natural Health Coalition
Toronto, Ontario
www.cnhc.ca
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© Canadian Natural Health Coalition 2008

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Rocker, with all due respect, the drug trial you just participated in was highly regulated.  Thankfully we have regulations or the unscrupulous amongst us would have a field day.  And too bad that we need regulations in the first place, there isn't enough common code amongst humanity to allow us to go without regulations.

I would like to know how ensuring that vendors of natural health products promote their products with integrity keeps you from managing your own health and body.  

Actually, managing your own care has limitations in our society.  Witness the lawsuits where religious parents want to deny their children treatment for illnesses due to religious beliefs.  There are limitations so I dispute that your right to do whatever you wish with your body is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights.

I also don't see where C 51 bypasses the Charter of Rights.  Care to elaborate?  Specifics please.
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The care and management of ones own health and body lay under the domain and within responsibility of the individual. This is a right provided by and guaranteed by the Charter of Rights in Canada. Health Canada wishes to bypass the Charter of Rights and instead play 'god' with my health. I for one, do not nor will not grant Health Canada the opportunity to preempt my life choices. C 51 is Bad policy, unneccessary Government and bad health.
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You're not counting the people who potentially die or are in worse health because they've been sold a false bill of goods about the natural products they're taking and have been alarmed away from "big pharma" - not to mention the monies they've been relieved of for products that don't deliver.  It might make shopkeepers more responsible about what they carry in their stores and might make those who sell over the internet and by bulletin board more responsible about the claims they make about what their products can do.

I think I like this:

14. No person shall manufacture, process, label, package, sell, import for sale or advertise a therapeutic product in a manner that is false, misleading or deceptive or is likely to create an erroneous impression regarding its benefits, risks, conditions of use, quality, quantity, composition, design, construction, performance, origin or authorization status.

Counterfeiting


15. No person shall manufacture, label, package, sell, import for sale or advertise a therapeutic product that resembles one that has a market authorization or establishment licence and is likely to be mistaken for the one that has a market authorization or establishment licence.

There is always potential for abuse when the government gets involved - and potential for abuse if they don't as well.  The great Catch-22.  

We have a TV show here called Dragon's Den.  Potential entrepreneurs come on to the show and peddle their business idea in hopes of getting one or more of the Dragons to invest as partners.  Astonishingly, this fellow came on to promote this product he sells at $18/bottle and ON TV claimed it cures Hepatitis, Cancer and a myriad of other diseases.  That guy had already sold thousands of dollars of this product and was looking to expand.  Couldn't believe what I was hearing. The Dragons kicked his a$$ out of there and threw his booklet on the floor.  How many others like him are out there?  So don't tell me that people don't die from taking natural products.  Not the way YOU'RE talking about .. but potentially they do die and line the pockets of shysters like this guy along the way.  This guy actually believed this stuff and was willing to get up on TV to say so.  Just what we need .. unregulated evangelists pumping out products to desperate - or careless - people.

From what I've read, if the therapeutic products sold contain exactly what the label says they do and are promoted based on fact, then there is nothing to concern yourself with.  

However, I think you're reading what the Government CAN do if they wish and you've already decided that they're doing this because they have ulterior motives and have targeted natural health product vendors as their next takeover as the power hungry madmen that they are.  I suppose they could, under this Act.  I guess time will tell if the Prime Minister and his henchmen are poised to live in big palaces and drive luxury cars from the money they'll make from Big Pharma once they shut down all the natural product vendors.  If they start living like African leaders, then I guess I'll concede you a point.

I guess the level of concern is the motive you're applying to the government for doing this.  I happen to applaud this particular move and think it's in the best interest of the consumer.
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No problem yet,but once they get a hold of the bill and if it gets passed,they can do what ever they like,do u really think this bill is being passed to protect the public?...how many peple die from taking vitamians and herbs...ZERO...how many doie from pharma?...millions

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=3398126&file=4
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Not seeing a problem here ....

http://www.healthycanadians.gc.ca/pr-rp/billC-51_e.html

I like the last QA - in an actual Government of Canada document:

41. Will Bill C-51 impact my ability to hold a pot-luck dinner?

No.
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Now we're a country that has our priorities in the right place.  Ain't nobody touching our potluck dinners.
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