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Men are circuited so differently.
:)
Charm
In my particular case, I am the researcher in the family anyway, so no matter what problem we have, I'm the first one to start reading.
When it comes to circuitry - I think most men focus their energy on getting the plug into the socket. Until the cord won't reach anymore, then they to looking at pictures of the new model sockets in the catalogs.
We come from two different planets.
Thats the way it is.
Great thread....
But I'm glad in the long run because I've been able to make all my tx decisions without having to discuss it ad nauseum with anyone (but y'all, lol!)
He is good at fixing things, I am good at medical stuff.
Charm: "Men do focus on getting the plug in the socket."
We can't expect everyone to be as soft and sensitive as your ol' pal G-Daddy ;-)
Mary: "I thought it was all about love and commitment"
Well it is. Just a question of a love of what ;-)
Kidding aside: Trust me when I tell you that not all women take the nuturing path. Faaaarrrrrr from it in some cases.
HER DIARY
Tonight I thought he was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment. Conversation wasn't flowing so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed but he kept quiet and absent. I asked him what was wrong; he said nothing. I asked him if it was my fault that he
was upset. He said it had nothing to do with me and not to worry. On the way home I told him that I loved him, he simply smiled and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't know why he didn't say I love you too. My heart just sank. When we got home I felt as if I had lost him, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there and watched T.V. He seemed distant and absent. Finally, I decided to go to bed. About 10 minutes later he came to bed, and to my surprise he responded to my caress and we made love, but I still felt that he was distracted and his thoughts were somewhere else. He fell asleep - I cried. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster.
HIS DIARY
I shot the worst round of golf in my life today, but at least I got laid.
The finding comes from a study into how more than 500 married couples coped with the diagnosis of a life-threatening illness such as cancer or multiple sclerosis.
The divorce rate was no higher than average. But closer inspection revealed that the marriage was much more likely to end when the patient was a woman.
Researchers found that men are less likely to stand behind their women than vice versa
Researchers found that men are less likely to stand behind their women than vice versa
In other words, a woman is better at standing by her man than vice versa.
Of the 23 divorces in the multiple sclerosis patients, 22 occurred in couples in which the woman was ill, and just one in a marriage where the man was the patient.
Similarly, 18 of the 23 brain tumour patients whose marriage ended were women, as were 13 out of the 14 with other cancers, the U.S. study found.
Overall, 21 per cent of marriages in which the wife was ill ended, compared with just 3 per cent in which the husband was the patient.
The researchers, from Washington University in Seattle, said it appeared that women are more committed to staying with someone through thick and thin.
They added: 'Some studies have suggested men are less able to undertake a care-giving role and assume the burdens of home and family maintenance compared with women.
'A woman becomes willing sooner in the marriage to commit to the burdens of having a sick spouse.'
The analysis also showed the impact a broken relationship can have on health. Patients who separated or divorced spent more time in hospital, took more anti-depressants, and were less likely to finish courses of gruelling treatments such as radiotherapy.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214051/Men-likely-leave-sick-partners-study-shows.html#ixzz0TGwoLbPP
Taken from The Mail Online...
Kathy
Kathy,
Not to uncover any hidden motives or anything:
But, all those things could also point to a sadistic motive on your husband's part. Excpet the laundry part which could just be his desire to wear clean underwear.
Sounds like a dear.
and the point is......?
No point.........
Just joining in the conversation if thats ok..?
I agree with Kathy. My own husband was a secular saint during my tx and was more committed to getting me through than I was.
He shouldered a huge burden and stuck by me, even though I was as attractive as a dead monkey and mean as a snake with shingles.
He would never post in a public forum due to who knows why - complex, guys are, and maybe more private about problems.
Perhaps that's a factor in not seeing more caregiver men on board. They are ever present, though, I am sure.
There are lots of guys like my husband.
All over the place.
Take care, good guy - glad to see you are almost done.
Susan
Are you kidding me some of us would pay good money to rent a husband like you ... I said rent because after all - you do come with your sense of humor!
(Just kidding love you and you know it).
No, seriously:
The boy I were with when I got diagnosed never googled anything about it, even though he was really uncomfortable about me having it. Instead of typing it in the search field on the computer he sat by half the day he just avoided all intimacy with me.
Since I was very uncomfortable about the subject myself it took me 6 months before I finally took the dreadful talk with him and I gathered all the info and emailed to him.
Of course I found out a little while later that instead of finding this info and get over his issues himself he had taken a lover in the meantime.
Well duhhhhh..... she's in bed sick - she ain't going anywhere.... unless someone disconnects the cable.
Did he also go fishing so the house would be quiet for you... and turn on the football on Sundays so you could pretend you had visitors? That's what I'd do... But then I'm a great guy.....
Jacknonblue: I'm sorry for your loss....That must have been very hard.
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Goof don't think your being fair to the women, agree on the cable but what about the beer for the football game? And sense they are charging 2 bucks to deliver the pizza some body has got to pick it up, and frankly i'm to tired. No theres plenty of time to be sick in bed late at night or when i'm out with my friends.
Jacksonblue, really sorry for your loss, hope you know this is all in fun
Don't think that I've forgotten the festering boil comment. By the way, how is the ex?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnuYhFRYbAw
That was a crazy time, Dude. She'd be all screaming at me, "Your not sick. Why do you need a nap on Sunday!?! Blah blah blah.... " Or the classic, "Youlook like sh!t. Do you know that?"
1) 'Men are less likely to reach out'-probably true but they are here in droves reaching out for themselves.
2) Men more likely to abandon sick spouses-the study is quite compelling,although of course not all men but a very significant majority.
3)Men cited who have taken up the slack at home whilst wife on treatment -agreed no shortage of them.
But no explanation for why no men who have got into the deatail of the disease and it's treatment,learned the vocabluary,read the studies ect. on behalf of wives.
A significant cohort of women but not a single man.
It's not an emotional function it's absorbing scientific data in order to face up to a major issue.
Beats me !
But you'll never hear from him on any forum.
OH
Marcia: Who's from Myanmar? Did I miss that someone? I've been there twice, met a monk who still emails me, and loved that magical place. Its straight out of Alice and Wonderland~nutty characters, delightful strangeness and a wicked witch of a government.
See? We have our doormats... err.. I mean compassionate sorts.
Bill
I had to ban him from coming to the doctor with me because I couldn't get a word in on my visits!
But, I did and do all the research. He started tx also, 6 months or so after I started (he is a 24 wk'r). I record his dr's appt and I make his lab appts, keep track of his timeline. I even pick up his labs when I see the dr. (same dr.).
-stacie
You forgot the Dali Lama!!
Bill, Thanks for looking.
YuK:
OMG! Two txing in the same house and you're still speaking to each other.
Who are you? Saint Yukerina?
answer: they won't ask for directions.
My partner (who because the most incredibly unexpected wonderful support and helped over and above the call of duty doing tx), had a sister-in-law who became ill and left her husband before she became to sick to become dependant upon him.
A man is unlikely to ask a woman to leave if he gets sick - generally doing the 'cave' thing. But when a woman gets sick she is facing the nemesis of her character: nurturing, controlling, nesting. I'd like to know how many woman 'dissolved' the relationships!!!
Maybe men give their support in smaller, more frequent events rather than the more dramatic long drawn out ones. ??
GoofyDad: I didn't know you were a Pastafarian, bless your little noodle!
I am a giver and carer, i have attended every appointment since my Fiance' has been diagnosed with Hepatitis C and Fibromyalgia, many people have stated to me she is lucky as many men would have left her by now.
She Lives in Texas united states and i live in the United kingdom, she has to start her treatment in january 2010 and my PRIORITY is to travel back and for from UK to USA in which to be there and care for my Fiance'.
If you truly love some one you it would never even enter your head in which to leave or abandon them, i shall care for her get through her course of treatment and in 2-3 years time Marry her.
I kid....but do I ?
Wife had cancer w both breasts removed and I was husband and father and played the mother role for a very long time. I am not offended by your post in the least but
although we may be wired differently it is sexist to jumble all men into one category.
We by nature are wired to hunt, gather, defend and die if necessary for our family and
or clan. This might sound sappy or self-serving but I cherish my wife and have always been there for her and she has always been here for me.
feminen side and didn't get one word of appreciation-and that ladies is why men
don't give a hoot er, I mean darn.
I too had a wife who suffered from a condition that required a lot of research and trips to the doctor's offices. This condition lasted for five years and she took a lot of prescription pain meds, including hydrocodone. She became addicted and it was like living with a heroin addict; mood swings, outbursts, and other related side effects.
I stuck with her through it all, researched the history of the condition and found progressive physicians who could offer potential help. I also took care of our two children, cooked, cleaned, and worked at a job ten hours a day to pay for everything. I didn't berate her for her addiction nor did I ever consider leaving or not doing all I could to help her. I'm told that's what love is all about.
For anyone to categorize men OR women in one group of with the same character disorders is not indicative of a high level of understanding of human nature. They probably have difficulties in most of their own relationships, and it's understandable given the attitude of grouping each sex together with identical traits across the board.
I have terminal end stage liver disease resulting from Hep-C I got while serving in the Army during the Vietnam Era. My now EX-wife decided that she didn't want to endure helping me with doctors and the research into alternative medicines because it infringed on her freedom to live her life. Going for liver biopsies, ultrasounds, and watching me deteriorate was just too much for her. So, I continue on my own and don't regret for one minute helping her through the tough times.
Sorry you don't see more men answering the original question on this forum, but maybe they just don't like to join forums?
"Men don't bother because they know their wives won't listen to anyone's good advice." Or would that have intimated an equally low level of understanding of human nature?
Husbands such as yourself and frank566, like many spouses mentioned in this post, are deserving of much credit and compassion -- my comment and/or its omission in addressing individual situations presented should not be construed as an indication of any particular attitude or my personal feelings. Perhaps just a shot at humor way off mark.
It's a hard subject. I think men get much misaligned - and yet on this particular thing, I think the kind of caregiving and nurturing that seems to go with someone being ill doesn't come as naturally to a man as it does to a woman. Doing the hunting and gathering thing, men excel to be sure. I'm not sure we should pat women on the back for what they're naturally good at and malign men for what they're not naturally good at. Exceptions to the rule always but in a general sense, it's probably women who are better at caring for the sick than men. Maybe that's why more men are doctors and less women and more women are nurses and less men. Along with that childrearing thing ... and so on and so on. I happen to think that when we expect men to be like women, that's when we just set ourselves up for disappointment.
words-God Bless You & God Bless your courage. The spirit that shapes us is our very self-you did what real. Humams do best & are all the better for it!
to every 1 that observes it.
No one could have done it better.
And by the way, seeing this thread reminds me once again that I miss HCA around here. Anyone have any information regarding him? I certainly hope he's okay.
Bill
I waited. After all I was SVR and thought my liver would repair itself. I was only F1, F2 for fibrosis and cirrhosis-sometime between then and now I had a mild heart attack, pneumonia, chronic respiratory infections I believe were triggered by Tx and am diagnosed with COPD so Baylor turned me down for transplant. Have you discussed this with your Hepatologist? Do you have ascites/ Portal Hypertension between the liver and spleen? Mental encephalapathy? Any esophogeal bleeds?
do your gums bleed at night? Hand spasms? Not being nosey just want to compare. Thanks, Frank
Sorry to hear about your situation with the transplant issue. That *****. I am in pretty good physical condition as a result of a couple of decades of not smoking, eating right, not drinking and exercising at my Dr's suggestion. It may have slowed down the cirrhosis, but as you know with Hep-C it's inevitable.
My heart is very strong. I do have type II diabetes and thyroid disease as a result of the Hep-C and the interferon. I do have portal vein hypertension with verices, but no bleeds. I do get nosebleeds now that I NEVER got before. No gums or other kinds of bleeding and no hand spasms. My spleen is super enlarged as a result of the red cells being sequestered there. Iron and platelets are in the toilet. I take iron supplements but can't do anything about the platelets.
I just had another test this morning to see if something else is causing the extreme pain in the stomach that I'm experiencing. I'm hoping they find something treatable.
Good luck to you, Franke566.
I can't explain how my liver continues to become more useless-By the way-Congratulations on your new grandchild! I feel like everyuone believes achieving SVR is it-the liver will go back to health and all will be fine and dandy. I was not wise like you. I drank a six pack after work, got on ADs and pain meds for my back. Heck, why not? I was so called cured. Okay so thats what I thought. You didn't do this so what are your drs telling you? I wish you the best buddy. I know you have your hands and heart full! You are carrying quite the burden. Good luck and God Bless. Frank
I've seen a lot of very bad things in my life, many of them thanks to the US Army, but that too is a part of life. I am 43 years older than my daughter and want to leave a positive impression in her life.
I just responded to a forum post regarding ammonia levels in the blood of a failing liver. If the levels get too high it can cause encephalopathy. You can't think right at all. Hell, I have enough trouble as it is. After all, I was a teenager in the 60s.
Take care,
MARTY