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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081020150617.htm
Morally and humanely I think we'd all like to see everyone be cured of this disease however the cost already to house and feed inmates is so tremendously high that honestly....I can't see spending another $20,000+ on top of this figure. These are mostly hardened criminals who are not going to change their ways. Drug addicts who have raped, murdered, stolen and destroyed lives. Drug addicts who once out of prison go straight back to their way of life.
We are NOT talking about someone in a county jail who has committed some first offense and will perhaps be getting out and living a productive life. For the most part these are men who have made the opposite decision and will not change no matter what (as proven by their prison status).
I would rather see the money (if there WERE money) spent on people out here who do not qualify for the medications for one reason or another or for drug advances and science.
And before anyone wants to say what a witch I am - my exhusband was hepc positive. He spent most of his life in and out of prisons on repeated drug/alcohol related offenses. I do not believe that hard working peoples taxes should have had to be responsible for his treatment while in prison.
It would have been up to HIM to get his life together, find a job and then have his insurance pay for his treatment.
As it was though, the man relapsed into drugs soon after getting out of his last stint in jail and killed himself while wasted. Had he wanted to be drug / prison free he could have gone to rehab and gotten his life together and treated his own disease (hcv). It was not anybody elses responsiblity to do so.
It was his and like most repeat offenders - the ending was sad but not unexpected.
MANY men even use jail as a home in the winter. For food, clothing and a place to sleep. Why then should they be entitled to more than that when already the cost is on the tax payer who goes to work each day and barely can get by in life.
Just my personal opinion.
We are NOT talking about someone in a county jail who has committed some first offense and will perhaps be getting out and living a productive life. For the most part these are men who have made the opposite decision and will not change no matter what (as proven by their prison status).
I would rather see the money (if there WERE money) spent on people out here who do not qualify for the medications for one reason or another or for drug advances and science.
And before anyone wants to say what a witch I am - my exhusband was hepc positive. He spent most of his life in and out of prisons on repeated drug/alcohol related offenses. I do not believe that hard working peoples taxes should have had to be responsible for his treatment while in prison.
It would have been up to HIM to get his life together, find a job and then have his insurance pay for his treatment.
As it was though, the man relapsed into drugs soon after getting out of his last stint in jail and killed himself while wasted. Had he wanted to be drug / prison free he could have gone to rehab and gotten his life together and treated his own disease (hcv). It was not anybody elses responsiblity to do so.
It was his and like most repeat offenders - the ending was sad but not unexpected.
MANY men even use jail as a home in the winter. For food, clothing and a place to sleep. Why then should they be entitled to more than that when already the cost is on the tax payer who goes to work each day and barely can get by in life.
Just my personal opinion.
A new division was created within the California Dept of Corrections a few years back, specifically to look into the medical care that is being provided for inmates and various contracts for future health care in CA state prisons. It's called the Plata Division, CDC is one of the richest in the nation, funds are continually being appropriated for this Dept. which makes prison after prison in response. That's insanity in it's highest form. If you read the top link you will read about some very cruel situations, but I didn’t read anything about HepC. Viral replication can be safely minimized, sure it’s not a cure, but it’s something and in a lot of HepC cases it will work in a pinch and if prison isn’t a pinch, I don’t know what is. God Bless
http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/Medcomplaint.pdf
http://www.prisonlaw.com/cases.php
http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/receiver.pdf
http://prisonlaw.com/cases.php
http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/Medcomplaint.pdf
http://www.prisonlaw.com/cases.php
http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/receiver.pdf
http://prisonlaw.com/cases.php
Nothing to do rarely with corruption in the prison system, Its called ingenuity by the prisoners, Most of the men and women who work in them are good decent people. With a very hard job, trying to control people who kill, hate and are in there for a reason.
It is called men or women looking to get over, it is prisoner power plays, over crowding. i wish ya'all would stop trying to romantice this guys, and read some facts.
It is called men or women looking to get over, it is prisoner power plays, over crowding. i wish ya'all would stop trying to romantice this guys, and read some facts.
It's just amazing how corrupt some people in the prison system are, that inmates can actually get drugs and syringes into the prisons....
this has become a real problem in our state. we are required to treat all prisoners, for everything and half of them are activly sharing needles and using while treatment is ungoing at taxpayers expense.... or they reinfect themselves shortly after tx while still in prison or soon after release. You can take the man out of the prison, but we need to take the prison out of the man.
the stats for liver failure in continual drinkers or IV drug users are staggeringly poor....one reason why I think the day will come when sobriety before tx will become SOC. First treat the soul so that the drug cravings are gone, then treat the HCV...otherwise it is an excersise in futility. just my opinion. In fact the tx drugs in the presence of alcohol or certain recreational is even more harmful and likely to cause premature death, than to not treat. (see cocksparrows recent thread on non-responders for those studies.
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the stats for liver failure in continual drinkers or IV drug users are staggeringly poor....one reason why I think the day will come when sobriety before tx will become SOC. First treat the soul so that the drug cravings are gone, then treat the HCV...otherwise it is an excersise in futility. just my opinion. In fact the tx drugs in the presence of alcohol or certain recreational is even more harmful and likely to cause premature death, than to not treat. (see cocksparrows recent thread on non-responders for those studies.
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Would we see inmates committing crimes just before release in order to extend from 48 to 72?
1950s weed was the heroin, that is mean prison. Alot worse now!
Yebbydebbydo, what a great name! love it! Ill be singing the flintstones all day! to cool!
Yebbydebbydo, what a great name! love it! Ill be singing the flintstones all day! to cool!
I have a friend that spent 4 years in San Quentin for two joints in the 1950's he benefited only that he became a great painter in prison my other friend learned the sax and plays it quite well both were minor drug charges that were treated like capitol crimes now days
times have changed you have to consider too I have not lived in the states since 1985
times have changed you have to consider too I have not lived in the states since 1985
Of course, that makes sense. I would love to go to Ireland one day. I hear that the countryside is so beautiful.
Marcia
Marcia
Since the original post was a link to an article about US prisons I thought your comment was about the US legal system. As far as spending time in Europe - I lived in Europe for years and I am a citizen of Ireland.
Not to worry, I think most people could figure out what you meant, not just those of us that have spent time in Europe.
Interesting discussion --- as long as NO ONE takes it personally.
OK DOKIE?
Remember - we're a discussion board --- lots of differing opinions...
As long as we keep it to thoughts and ideas -- we'll have a very fun debate.
Meki
Ps. Hugs to y'all.
OK DOKIE?
Remember - we're a discussion board --- lots of differing opinions...
As long as we keep it to thoughts and ideas -- we'll have a very fun debate.
Meki
Ps. Hugs to y'all.
Not so much any more baja, to many of them, depends also on their crimes, shortness of time being served.
they are a over crowded mess, fed, clothed, basics need mets. Rocker yes prisons have a huge union, but said that the people that work there are still very understaffed, Crime is Crime. There is a aasembly woman here running for office, she thinks they should be put to work, like our Sherif Joe in AZ, AND she is a democrat, her visits show them all to be laying around sleeping all day,
baja is beautiful! love it there.
they are a over crowded mess, fed, clothed, basics need mets. Rocker yes prisons have a huge union, but said that the people that work there are still very understaffed, Crime is Crime. There is a aasembly woman here running for office, she thinks they should be put to work, like our Sherif Joe in AZ, AND she is a democrat, her visits show them all to be laying around sleeping all day,
baja is beautiful! love it there.
Federal and state prisons are very different, Federal, if you cross a state line or a country border
http://www.fdungan.com/prison.htm,
recent Ca overcrowding
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/10/AR2006061000719.html
illegal
35% http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/02/immigrants_incl.html, misquoted amount
Federal
http://www.bop.gov/
http://www.fdungan.com/prison.htm,
recent Ca overcrowding
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/10/AR2006061000719.html
illegal
35% http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/02/immigrants_incl.html, misquoted amount
Federal
http://www.bop.gov/
Please do not take that maybe not well phrased sentence out of it's context. I went on explaining in length what I meant. Of course they are there because they were convicted, if not they wouldn't be there. I know that ppl don't just end up being there out of the blue. I should have maybe written that we do not know what they have been convicted for. I do not know how the legal system works in the US, but anyway, I am speaking about the subject in general, not particularly in the US. I used to live in a country where you get put in jail for 6 months for having 1 joint on you. No warning nor probation. Straight to jail.
I'm sure most of us might have done something we could have been convicted for, if caught... Maybe not in our own country, but in another...
God bless,
Marcia
I'm sure most of us might have done something we could have been convicted for, if caught... Maybe not in our own country, but in another...
God bless,
Marcia
just did a little internet research and came up with this statistic which is old and just a tickle of what the whole article said but it is interesting I did not realize how the prison population has increased with the war on drugs and what is is costing the taxpayer to keep them there this is an old report but for lack of more recent info of interest I will just post this
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About 60 percent of federal prisoners are drug offenders (Figure 3), and that figure is expected to hit 70 percent by 1995, according to the Bureau of Prisons. In 1981 only 22 percent of federal prisoners were drug prisoners.(41) The current and projected percentages of federal prisoners incarcerated for drugs are comparable to the combined figures for drug and alcohol offenses during Prohibition. (Note that many alcohol prisoners remained incarcerated for years after the repeal of Prohibition.) And it is quite clear that drug prohibition has no more saved America from drugs than alcohol prohibition saved America from alcohol. The increasing tendency to imprison drug offenders for lengthy periods means that America's state and federal prisons deal more with drug offenders than violent criminals (Figure 4). In 1990 the number of persons sent to prison for drug crimes (103,800) exceeded the number sent for violent crimes (87,200) or for property crimes (102,400).(42) About a third of all new commitments to state prisons were for drug crimes.(43) As recently as 1960, only 1 in 25 state prisoners was a drug prisoner.(44) If current trends continue, by the year 2000 half of all prison inmates will be drug war prisoners.(45)
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jd Baja is Great warm and cooling off at night birds are singing and it seems like spring
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About 60 percent of federal prisoners are drug offenders (Figure 3), and that figure is expected to hit 70 percent by 1995, according to the Bureau of Prisons. In 1981 only 22 percent of federal prisoners were drug prisoners.(41) The current and projected percentages of federal prisoners incarcerated for drugs are comparable to the combined figures for drug and alcohol offenses during Prohibition. (Note that many alcohol prisoners remained incarcerated for years after the repeal of Prohibition.) And it is quite clear that drug prohibition has no more saved America from drugs than alcohol prohibition saved America from alcohol. The increasing tendency to imprison drug offenders for lengthy periods means that America's state and federal prisons deal more with drug offenders than violent criminals (Figure 4). In 1990 the number of persons sent to prison for drug crimes (103,800) exceeded the number sent for violent crimes (87,200) or for property crimes (102,400).(42) About a third of all new commitments to state prisons were for drug crimes.(43) As recently as 1960, only 1 in 25 state prisoners was a drug prisoner.(44) If current trends continue, by the year 2000 half of all prison inmates will be drug war prisoners.(45)
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jd Baja is Great warm and cooling off at night birds are singing and it seems like spring
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