Waiting is Punishment

I dont know whats worse,the waiting for the 6 month PCR or the TX itself,how do you all do it i dont know.My nerves are shot.Maybe this song will soothe my wired system.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyCa35_mOg

[Joey_M]

When did you get your blood drawn? I had my 6 month PCR drawn on the 13th at Quest in San Francisco - the Heptimax has been taking 2 weeks lately. But you are in Canada, right? How long did your last PCR take? I'm not worried since I was clear at 3 months.

[Rockerforlife]

I was clear at 2 weeks after taking the BOC and been clear all the way tru,i got 4 more days for my 6 month results,still freaking over it.i know i have over va 90% chance of SVR,but this virus is insidius .

[Rockerforlife]

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–adjective 1. intended to entrap or beguile: an insidious plan.  
2. stealthily treacherous or deceitful: an insidious enemy.  
3. operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect: an insidious disease.

[IMstacie]

The tx, of course.  What's up with insidious???

hmmm...how about hep C is an insidious disease BUT interferon & ribavirin are both an insidious but necessary poison??

[mikesimon]

Exactly right Yuk.
I have heard it all now.

[nygirl7]

I'm sure you are clear Rock try not to think about it, seriously I would be absolutely just shocked beyond belief it after being UND since week 2 anything went wrong. The odds are so much on your side right now.

[Rockerforlife]

Im worried because i went on a super cleaning regime about 4-5 months post TX and i may have removed some of the meds from my system,i did something that im afraid to even mention as you may think im either too paranoid or crazy or its true what i did ..ill let you know what im talkn about after i get my results...you wont believe what im going to tell you  what i did  and seen  il tell you after the PCR

[newleaf09]

Rocker,
Your reaction is normal.  Even when you KNOW you are UD, it's just as miserable waiting for it in writing.  I cleared the virus after 1 week of SOC, added bocep and got sick as can be through all the rest of TX.  Was clear at 4 wk. post, then 12 week post and STILL worried because the 6 mo. post PCR took so long to come back.   Stop freaking out, nothing you did post TX has anything to do with the course of TX, unless you went on anti-immune therapy (and I mean serious stuff like rheumatoid arthritis meds), which you didn't.

Trial nurse told me that they were doing the PCR's and PT/PTT's in batches, so even though your other labs will come back on time, the PCR and PT/PTT may be late.  Mine took 4 weeks to come back.  No one in the bocep trial is on meds anymore so they are just trickling into the lab and they'll get to them when they have enough to justify powering up the big machines.  You'll be UD.

[nygirl7]

Rock after 4 months those meds would be out of your system most likely anyway - the inf only lasts like 2 weeks tops (could tell by the way my ulcers went away).

I really don't think it would matter.  If you are truly UND since week 2 with no 'occult' stuff (which doesnt have to happen at all) then it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference cause there is just nothing left to kill anyway.

Seriously! Heck I wasn't und until almost 24 and I made it!

[Rockerforlife]

My PCR results always come back exactly 2 weeks after the blood is taken,so this friday i will know,this will be the most important day of my life.Its pretty scary ill tell you that.If im still clear i think i will burst out crying right then and there.I got my box of tissues ready

[jdwithhcv]

I'm not sure the tissues thing is a good idea.  They use all kinds of acids to bleach that paper.  Could be risky, expecially placing it near your eyes!

Seriously though, Rocker, hang in there.  It will all turn out great.

[charm27]

I sure know what the waiting can do to a person. All will be  WELL!!!!


I was a basket case...just keep praying.

Were all waiting to hear your SVR.


Charm

[Rockerforlife]

Actually most "white" paper is bleached and treated with dioxins,this is why i always drink my tea loose,some tea bags are made this way,i always drink loose tea or rip my tea bag and dump er in.I also get a better  tasting cup this way.


Do Bleached Teabags Represent a Health Risk?

Recently there was a lot of buzz in news about how dangerous bleached teabags may be. The fact is that during chlorine-bleaching some toxic substances, like dioxin, may be created. So, let’s find out if small amount of dioxin in chlorine-bleached teabags may actually be dangerous.





What are Teabags Made From?

First teabags were made from silk and muslin. Nowadays teabags are mostly made from paper, produced from a blend of wood and vegetable (hemp) fibers. Both wood and vegetable pulp are usually chlorine-bleached, meaning that small amount of toxic chlorine compounds may end up in teabag paper.

http://www.healthhype.com/bleach-in-teabags-health-risks.html

[Isobella]

To quote Tom Petty...."heeeeey, baby...there're ain't no easy way out"  We all have to wait.

Yup....the waiting is the worst.  Only not so bad compared to the end stages that HCV can lead us to.  Be thankful and try to focus on that.

You fought and so far you have won.  Nothing indicates anything less at this point. White paper or not....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA&feature=channel

Take deep breaths and hope for the best.

I'm hoping it for you all the way, bro!!!!!!!!


Isobella

[Rockerforlife]

100-150 g of raw potato juice can be used as a very powerful liver cleanser.


http://guide2herbalremedies.com/therapeutic-properties-potato-juice/

[GoofyDad]

"I got my box of tissues ready"

Somethings are best left unsaid.

[GoofyDad]

Thanks for the definition. I always wondered what that meant.

[Trish77]

Good thing you are on a trial - if you were waiting for regular lab results on "Canada time" you'd be a basket case waiting for the results and we'd have to give you a virtual "snap out of it!"   Hang in there and crank your tunes up for the next couple of days and lose yourself in some good music - go easy on the conspiracy theories for a little while.  I'm thinking you've got a big old SVR coming with that boceprevir in your mix and I'm thinking you'll be celebrating very shortly.

[WriteItDown]

I can't believe you quoted Tom Petty and did not say, "The waiting is the hardest part/ Every day you see one more card / You take it on faith, you take it to the heart / The waiting is the hardest part ..."   Or maybe we could make up our own lyrics -- "Every month you see another PCR..."   ;)  

Rocker, I firmly believe you have it in the bag. Probably with all the anti-oxidants you eat you'll live to be 100, and all the neighbor kids will refer to you as "that old guy who eats algae."

[GSDgirl]

Rocker, the suspense is killin' me...............what did you do, a rapid detox or something like one of those coffee enemas?

Denise

[Rockerforlife]

I did something more intense than a coffee irrigation,i did a did the mother of all detoxes,like i said,ill let u know on Friday,hey Goofy..you have a dirty mind    :)
                                                                                                
                                                                                              
                                                                                              
                                                                                                  
                                                                                                

[nygirl7]

Great minds thinks alike WID my first thought was the Waiting Is the Hardest Part too - I guess we've all got Tom Petty on the brain when it comes to this subject.

Now just waiting to hear what this crazy treatment of Rockers was...curiousity or TMI I'm not sure which it will be!

[Isobella]

Does it have anything to do with drinking 150g of potato juice??

Does g mean gallon?

This is gonna be good, I can tell.

[FlGuy]

I guess we have to wait with baited breath. When the time is right it will all come out in the end, I rectum. Bigger than a straw, smaller than a garden hose and perhaps blue-green algae or at least the color therein.

[Isobella]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

A little musical interlude to pass the time while we're waiting.  A little ditty to celebrate our collective "otherness"---buncha crazy heppers that we are.

[IMstacie]

bet it's some sort of colonic irrigation

[Vic1967]

Potato juice.....really?? Oh,  eeewww. blech!

[Rockerforlife]

This is freaky,i just realized my PCR results are on the same day that my Dad passed away 10 years ago.

[Rockerforlife]

Something else ,one of my brothers birthday is also the same exact day.

[Diamond_Lil]

It's a bird....it's a plane....it's super colonic man.

[child24angel]

Gosh, strange things happen :)

[_Matt_]

I would take that as a sign that your Dad is up in Heaven cheering you on & your brother.

[Isobella]

Seroiusly, bro...these things happen.  

I have the same stuff datewise..get this:  I was born on Mother's Day.  My mom received her transplant on my 40th birthday and then she died on my daughters 13th birthday, which was also sis-in-laws 46th birthday.  My husband's father died on my 46th birthday and his mom died during my birthday week when he was 16-- which falls on Mother's Day every couple of years. Ugghhh.  Seriously...what is that? A celebration of life/death/thankfullness???? Yeah, probably.

With all that said....can't wait to hear some good news from ya!!!

[Rockerforlife]

Also check this out....i started my BOC TX on my other brothers birthday Nov 2...hows that for spooky stuff.God bless him too cause hes left us almost 10 years ago also.He looks like Steven Tyler

[Tippyclubb]

Okay what did you do --when we want to hear from you we don't.  Lol !

[Rockerforlife]

OK....what i did that i  was so worried about was i have one of those  negative ion foot bath machines and i was using it for a few weeks and one day i seen all this white starting to float in the water and im sure it was the TX drugs, dont forget...i comsumed almost 2 lbs of the drugs by my expert calculation...BTW...using distilled water and epson salts will not make the water turn to rust as it does in the selling ads...this is a lie saying that rust color is coming from your feet...i firmly believe this machine does work but you cant tell by the color of the water....BTW....running it with baking soda or magnesium sulfate with no feet it turns crystal clear as well if you run it with feet in ...i have pics to prove it....all i know is i seen pure white stuff floating in that water...if u want the real way it cleans i do have links and info....all it boils down too thos is flowing usr cells and body with negative ions to clean up the cRAP........Jesus i feel good

[Rockerforlife]

I forgot to mention its the type of "salt" that actually causes the rust ...calicum chloride (table salt)does it
...ebson salt is not technically a salt...another way to keep the array from corroding is to use titainium metal  and carbon works also as a conductor.....water says clear all the way tru....until some nasty stuff starts coming out come
i have a lot of documented studies on this negative ion foot bath TX...im proberly lucky i cleared before i removed the drugs...this is my story and im stickn to it ...i swear to tell the truth ,the whole truth and nothing but the truth,so help me me God.

[Rockerforlife]

ROCK ON TO ALL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln_qHyGD9zo

[Rockerforlife]

NOBEL PRIZE

Understanding ion channels

R.RAMACHANDRAN

Two doctors share the Chemistry Prize for research on the transportation of uncharged water molecules and the charged ions of sodium and potassium salts in aqueous solution in and out of cells.  



A HUMAN being has about one hundred thousand million cells in the body, and the cells - muscle cells, kidney cells and nerve cells - form an intricate system acting in a well-coordinated manner. Crucial to this function is the transportation of uncharged water molecules and charged ions of sodium (Na) and potassium (K) salts in aqueous solution in and out of cells. This year's Nobel Prize in Chemistry has been awarded jointly to two scientists whose work has led to the understanding, at molecular level, of how the cells achieve this selectively, while remaining impermeable to other atoms.

WOOOOO

http://www.thehindu.com/fline/fl2022/stories/20031107002009200.htm

[GoofyDad]

"one day i seen all this white starting to float in the water and im sure it was the TX drugs, dont forget...i comsumed almost 2 lbs of the drugs "

Color me stupid - but I'm just gonna stick it out there and say I'm pretty sure the drugs don't settle and accumulate in your feet month after month... if they did it would stand to reason that you'd likely get fossilized corn kernels emdedded in there too, and that would make for some lumpy feet!  

[Rockerforlife]

Now who said drugs accumulated in the feet..?...not me....but ya gotta admit ,it is one sure fine way for  toxins to leave the body....feet dont smell for no reason

[GoofyDad]

Dude - you forgot the eggplant!

[GoofyDad]

"feet dont smell for no reason"

Indeed they do not. The smell because it's too dark to see inside a laced pair of tennies - and they gotta know where they're going somehow. It's kinda like a bloodhound in a foggy swamp I guess. Did yu ever notice that feet in flip-flops don't smell as much?  

[Rockerforlife]

Metabolism, which is the process of acquiring nutrients from the blood and excreting waste out of the body, is extremely important to the human cells. The more Negatively Charged Electric Ions there are in the blood, the more efficient the cell's metabolism process

http://www.detoxion.com/Negative%20Ions.htm

[FlGuy]

jewel-encrusted or otherwise!

[Rockerforlife]

PUB MED-Negative Ion Studies

Also, acclimatization to heat encourages sweating, which should create a greater demand for the renal reabsorption of Na(+) ions which enables greater reabsorption of uric acid. Therefore people living at low latitudes should have a lower chance of hypouricemia and a lower chance of developing MS. In fact people who spend their first fifteen years in the tropics almost never go onto develop MS. And MS patients in relapse are consistently hypouricemic. This hypothesis can explain both of these facts. The paper goes onto show how the MS condition will tend to progress because of a number of self-sustaining effects: over time the immune system becomes more targeted to myelin, MS patients are unlikely to become acclimatized to heat because they tend to avoid heat since demyelinated nerve function is worsened by elevated temperature, and the normal circadian excitation of the HPA axis gets weaker under the benign environmental conditions typically adopted by MS patients as the disease develops. Copyright © 2009 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20045596?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=20

[Rockerforlife]

More facts on Negative Ions

Approved by the U.S. FDA (Food & Drug Admin.) as an approved allergy treatment.
In March of 1999, Good Housekeeping Magazine had its engineers test an ionizer by using a smoke test, and found that it cleared out the smoke in a tank.
A recent study by the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture found that ionizing a room led to 52% less dust in the air, and 95% less bacteria in the air (since many of the pollutants found in the air reside on floating dust particles).


http://altered-state.com/index2.htm?/ionizers/info.htm

[GoofyDad]

Rocker - Do either of the preceding postings have anything in common with putting your feet in a pail of "ionized" water, beyond that the descriptions all share the word "ionized"? If so, I'd appreciate your explanation...cause I can''t figure it out.

Thanks.

[merryBe]

yes it's punishment waiting...but think how much fun not knowing can be.

You could take the tack that ignorance is bliss...while it's there...

I'm just glad it wasn't something involving slugs...  ; )

but all that white curd in the water....maybe you were exuding toe cheese  ; )

: 0   little miss tuffit eating her curds and whey....!!!

Take it easy dude, you've done all you could do and then some.
Dollars to donuts you'll be just fine.  Good luck!!!

But seriously, if you water log skin AND do it with certain minerals it can leach stuff out of the body....that was known long before the methods of ionization were discovered. Magnesium softens skin up considerably....I used it in my PT and it works at dissolving away old dead skin...the feet have more dead skin buildup than the rest of the body combined, so if you stayed in the water long enough you would remove dozens of layers of skin, ions or no ions. the heels alone can have 1/4 inch of dead skin on them.

mb

[Rockerforlife]

YOUSASKED:
Rocker - Do either of the preceding postings have anything in common with putting your feet in a pail of "ionized" water, beyond that the descriptions all share the word "ionized"? If so, I'd appreciate your explanation...cause I can''t figure it out.

Thanks.
Yes....pervious post:
by Rockerforlife, Jan 19, 2010 11:29AM
To: ny
Im worried because i went on a super cleaning regime about 4-5 months post TX and i may have removed some of the meds from my system,i did something that im afraid to even mention as you may think im either too paranoid or crazy or its true what i did ..ill let you know what im talkn about after i get my results...you wont believe what im going to tell you  what i did  and seen  il tell you after the PCR

[GoofyDad]

Rodger that. You put your feet in the pail of water. What I don't get is what an air ionizer has to do with your pail of water. In ionized air an ionized molecule can bond to a foriegn partical, making a larger particle that might precipitate or be filtered out. I'm having trouble connecting this process to the image of your pail.

[Rockerforlife]

Immersing your feet in electically charged water(ionization) works on the same princple as the the the air ionizer works.Actually water works better.If you want to understand how this simple concept works,just googled it up,im not going to try and expailn something if you cant understand what ions areand how they affect the body.... the FDA approves of ion machines for hospitals and such....im not trying to convince anyone to get into ions for ur health ...im just explaining why i was worried...ill even send you a pic of the water after i used it and the white particles that went into the water....and i am not crazy

[Rockerforlife]

Check out the photo in my photo albums and see the results fro the ion foot baths i did.....BTW....i used distilled water and ebson salt so the array dosent corrode.this white gunk only happened the one time only after about 7 sessions...i firmly believe it was the TX drugs

[GoofyDad]

Hebrews 13:8

[Rockerforlife]

Have you ever done something or given someone your help and time and they never ever even show one ounce of appreciation for all you did?...Well think about this for a second,how do think  your God, creator,what ever you want to call , feels when you dont be grateful for what you recieve or are about too.Im not overly religious but all i know it i prayed everynite to beat this disease even before i even heard of PI`s..all i want to say it i thank the entity that created me,some one or something have to have made  me,because i KNOW i was created by some force and this is fact...we were all created by design..too deep?

[Rockerforlife]

Riddle me this?...why is it a person dies on this planet  dies every  1.3 seconds and im still alive?

[GoofyDad]

Uhhhhh..... because you weren't one of those people?

[child24angel]

Riddle me what?
You are here for a reason , yet I don't know what that reason is.

Tell me ...This is not a riddle, why are you here and my son is not?
Same question, just put a different spin on this line of BS.  

[jepperone]

The spirit within will guide all in whichever path that is laid before them. Some may or may not have a choice but its acceptance, is within ones spirit.

jep

[Trish77]

Riddle me this?...why is it a person dies on this planet  dies every  1.3 seconds and im still alive?

Uhhhhh..... because you weren't one of those people?
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Pretty much.  To suggest that God picks some people to live and others to die or that those who remain have somehow earned it by virtue of some act that God favours thereby suggesting that those who do not remain were not worthy enough somehow gives far too much credit to the living and dishonours those who have passed on.  I believe it is and shall remain a mystery of life and is much more random than that and that it's pointless to try to determine why one remains and another doesn't but rather to make the most of the life one has. That God is there with grace in difficult moments and that it's our place to be thankful for the good things in life and show compassion to others when their journey becomes a more difficult road and heavier load.  

[mikesimon]

This thread is punishment.
Mike

[justme53]

Well said, Trish.

I don't have the answers either (imagine that!) but my line of thinking prettty much parallels yours. It always bugged the heck out of me, say, sitting in a support group or whatever and someone chirps up that God has healed them...He's heard their prayer !!!!! And everyone (except me) gathers around them to offer congratulations.That's just darn cruel!  I'm sitting there thinking, well, used to anyway, wondering what I'm doing wrong that my prayers weren't answered. It wasn't exactly 'sour grapes' but I was curious if there was a way I could move "myself up the ladder" to have a better chance at things.  Well, those days are long gone, except for the urge to whack people on the side of the head when they start in with the healed thing, Now I try more to keep my eyes and heart open to the the daily gifts provided to help me through troubled times.

[merryBe]

mike and goofy: You have just entered the purgatorial zone!!

Rocker...ok, photos, we want photos...yes it is like watching a train wreck but come on....you can be a little tease you silly wabbit!!
I came , I loooked,,,no photos...my kingdom for some pond scum!!

: )

[IAmTheWalrus]

Well said Mike. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[IAmTheWalrus]

Remember how Galileo, in his Dialoge of the World Systems, created two characters to argue the sides of the sun centered universe versus the earth centered view. Salviati argues for the Copernican system while Simplicio (the perfect foil) argues for the Ptolemaic, earth-centric view. This, Galileo did so he could put forth Copernican views in the form of debate without himself espousing philosophy that would run him afoul of the Inquisition.

I think that Rocker and GoffyDad are one and the same person! You devious genius, Goofy! ...or is it Rocker?? ;-)