Who in the election will fight for our cause?

[susan400]

I didn't know how to title this post...  

Without getting into a big political debate, can someone tell me, which candidates, on each side, will best be helping the Hep C research funding?    It doesn't matter to me, whether you are saying Democrat/Republican/Indep., or whatever, I'm just curious if anybody knows from past history, researching this, or anything like that???   I'm not saying which party I'm affliated with, that doesn't matter in the general election anyway because you can vote across party lines in that election if you so choose.    Anyway, I'm really curious about this.  I'm also wondering if there's some website that might tell me where the various candidates stand in their past support of HIV, since I figure that if they have a good history with supporting HIV/AIDS research that they might care about HCV.  Anyway, any info would be appreciated.  I hope that this will not end up being a debate because that's not what I'm looking for.

Happy Holidays everyone.

Susan

[sfbaygirl]

Yeah, we are the lunatic fringe?  Funny, huh?  Heard today we are headed for a recession due to the loss of jobs and the not creating new ones. Kinda makes Mr. Liver's claim that we are in such great shape a sham.  You are NOT a liar and cited your claims. I too have read them. Guess that makes me a liar too.  

Willy;
Love the first part of your post, it is so true!  We are in debt up to our ears!  Perhaps if we cut out some of those earmarks and cut the budget like Clinton did we can get back on track.  

I personally have no problem talking Hep C with those I disagree with, so no harm to relationships. This is typical debating politics.  I have responded to Mremeet, Gauf and Mr. Liver in civil ways since this so called debate started.  I know people get worked up about politics and that there is nothing I can do to change their minds, but it doesnt' stop us from agreeing in other areas of the forum.  I dont' want to lose my friends and don't plan to. Hopefully no one else holds grudges, doesn't seem to be the case, so far, for me anyway.

BTW Mremeet,  I agree with you about those permits special assessments etc. that come in the way of taxes.  I have a house that was pre Javis/Gann, so my taxes are low.  You should see the extra assessments that aren't supposed to be taxes.  Always loopholes!

[Willy50]

"Those with money that I am acquainted with worked their ***** off 65-80 hours a week for years upon end, making huge sacrifices, and living on tight budgets like everyone else. They invested their money wisely, and ran their businesses honestly. "
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If only we ran our country the same way.  Our president at least last term had the distinction of taking the most vacations of any president in recent times.  He has increased our debt in a manner unprecedented by any president.  We are printing money to cover our deficit spending.  We are refinancing our debt selling it to other countries while they in effect are buying up our real estate. The value of the dollar has dropped like a rock.  Our allies have dwindled while our enemies have grown in volume and strength.  Our status in the world has been undermined.  
          This is alllllll just my opinion.

Here's a quote often attributed to Everette Dirkson;
" A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money"

Our current problem is that in our case we are talking TRILLIONS.  President Bush will have put our country into debt 4-5 trillion dollars during his 2 terms.  I have a feeling that you may not really support that kind of irresponsible spending from what you write about your friends and how their success with bugeting.  How does almost doubling our national debt in just 2 terms sit with you?
I will note that many Rebublicans are taking a much more critical eye at our spending and current policy overseas.  Let us also NOT forget that many Democrats went along for the ride -Willy
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I personally think the debate here can overpower the needs of the board.  I see really gifted writers and thinkers on both sides of this argument.  They end up entrenched in a polemic, a never ending debate.  So often it is about who is "right".  I'm not sure that I believe in that concept.

In some ways it alienates us from each other.  It can weaken partnerships that that we have built over weeks or years.  It distracts from the "business" of the board, at least the primary purpose for many of us here.  That business or goal is to help and support each other as we fight a common goal.  While I grant everyone their right to join in such threads I would just remind them that there is a "cost".  Is it worth it?  I would hate to lose any of the people that post in this thread due to hurt feelings.  You may not be aware of your value to the board and the people who post here.  There is information or support which you have all communicated to others that have helped people in ways that they can not be helped by friends, by employers, insurers and even sometimes by their own doctors.  You have a tremendous value as a board member in the capacity that we all showed up for, whether to help or be helped with our HCV.  My hats off to you all.

Willy

[Mr Liver]

You mischaracterized what I have said and put words in my mouth in your last post. The missile defense system will be used much more by European countries who have more rogue states in the region. And taking away N Koreas ability is very important. The WTC cost us over 1 trillion in trade, 500 million more to bail out the airlines. Now, imagine a nuclear bomb over San Francisco or LA.. The money to develop and deploy a missile defense  all of a sudden looks like a very cheap  investment.

I don't begrudge the wealthy. I have no class envy of the rich. I've been around alot of people with personal financial wealth in my life and not one person I know inherited their money. In fact, less than 5% of the wealth in this country is inherited. Those with money that I am acquainted with worked their ***** off 65-80 hours a week for years upon end, making huge sacrifices, and living on tight budgets like everyone else. They invested their money wisely, and ran their businesses honestly. I admire their ambition, drive for success, and tenacity to get there. No one should be punished for making a success out of themselves.

[Mr Liver]

"Smiling and laug  while I write angry, adamant posts...wow...and we're the lunatic fringe? yikes..."

And you are an unadulterated bald-faced liar of the first degree. First you edited my words and then took some  out of context. That's an underhanded method used by those desperate to score a point, any kind of point even if it mean you have to make it up. How utterly pathetic. And its all above for anyone to see.  

I already kicked your butt in debate---you back for more ? That's fine by me. I enjoyed it last time and I have no reason to believe I won't even enjoy it more this time.

[Mr Liver]

A most excellent dissertation concerning economics and the lesser known inner workings of our tax code when it comes to investments.

[Forseegood]

while I write angry, adamant posts...wow...and we're the lunatic fringe? yikes...