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Anyone have any good sources/experiences?
I'm looking for more of a traditional Japanese Futon which are I believe only 2-3" thick as opposed to the 6" or more lumpy American Futon that often doubles as a couch, OR....
Alternatively, I"m also considering a very thin (again 2-3") natural latex foam mattress, sometimes referred to as "toppers". A friend of mine from Brazil says they are used there a lot and I imagine in Europe as well. Apparently much firmer than the thicker 6" latex foam mattresses. High density means an ILD rating of 38 or more.
-- Jim
I'm looking for more of a traditional Japanese Futon which are I believe only 2-3" thick as opposed to the 6" or more lumpy American Futon that often doubles as a couch, OR....
Alternatively, I"m also considering a very thin (again 2-3") natural latex foam mattress, sometimes referred to as "toppers". A friend of mine from Brazil says they are used there a lot and I imagine in Europe as well. Apparently much firmer than the thicker 6" latex foam mattresses. High density means an ILD rating of 38 or more.
-- Jim
IM trying to find thr review where this person claimed when he slept on the foam bed he had vivid nightmares of monsters...i cant loctae ie but its in that "killer site"...so Jim...one thing is is is a very comfy and is know to help the body recuperate and heal...but the trade off may be the fumes it gives off...if you are having no problems maybe it ok for you...maybe all the posters who didn like it were just allergic to the product...but if iwas goin to get a foam id stick with the organic natural latex
For those of you who would like a scientific article that discusses the respiratory problems caused by mattresses, check out this abstract and review the literature further:
ABSTRACT. Groups of male Swiss-Webster mice breathed emissions of several brands of crib mattresses for two 1-hr periods. The authors used a computerized version of ASTM-E-981 test method to monitor respiratory frequency, pattern, and airflow velocity and to diagnose abnormalities when statistically significant changes appeared. The emissions of four mattresses caused various combinations of upper-airways irritation (i.e., sensory irritation), lower-airways irritation (pulmonary irritation), and decreases in mid-expiratory airflow velocity. At the peak effect, a traditional mattress (wire springs with fiber padding) caused sensory irritation in 57% of breaths, pulmonary irritation in 23% of breaths, and airflow decrease in 11% of breaths. All mattresses caused pulmonary irritation, as shown by 17-23% of breaths at peak. The largest airflow decrease (i.e., affecting 26% of the breaths) occurred with a polyurethane foam pad covered with vinyl. Sham exposures produced less than 6% sensory irritation, pulmonary irritation, or airflow limitation. Organic cotton padding caused very different effects, evidenced by increases in both respiratory rate and tidal volume. The authors used gas chromatography/mass spectrometry to identify respiratory irritants (e.g., styrene, isopropylbenzene, limonene) in the emissions of one of the polyurethane foam mattresses. Some mattresses emitted mixtures of volatile chemicals that had the potential to cause respiratory-tract irritation and decrease airflow velocity in mice.
From Archives of Environmental Health, 2000, Vol. 55, pp 38-43.
ABSTRACT. Groups of male Swiss-Webster mice breathed emissions of several brands of crib mattresses for two 1-hr periods. The authors used a computerized version of ASTM-E-981 test method to monitor respiratory frequency, pattern, and airflow velocity and to diagnose abnormalities when statistically significant changes appeared. The emissions of four mattresses caused various combinations of upper-airways irritation (i.e., sensory irritation), lower-airways irritation (pulmonary irritation), and decreases in mid-expiratory airflow velocity. At the peak effect, a traditional mattress (wire springs with fiber padding) caused sensory irritation in 57% of breaths, pulmonary irritation in 23% of breaths, and airflow decrease in 11% of breaths. All mattresses caused pulmonary irritation, as shown by 17-23% of breaths at peak. The largest airflow decrease (i.e., affecting 26% of the breaths) occurred with a polyurethane foam pad covered with vinyl. Sham exposures produced less than 6% sensory irritation, pulmonary irritation, or airflow limitation. Organic cotton padding caused very different effects, evidenced by increases in both respiratory rate and tidal volume. The authors used gas chromatography/mass spectrometry to identify respiratory irritants (e.g., styrene, isopropylbenzene, limonene) in the emissions of one of the polyurethane foam mattresses. Some mattresses emitted mixtures of volatile chemicals that had the potential to cause respiratory-tract irritation and decrease airflow velocity in mice.
From Archives of Environmental Health, 2000, Vol. 55, pp 38-43.
I recently did read somewhere that sleeping on the affected shoulder can hinder recovery so made some efforts to only sleep on the other side, but of course always ended up shifting sides a few times in the middle of the night. The memory foam is giving me a deeper sleep and I probably don't move around as much but in addition the surface is more forgiving even when I do sleep on my bad shoulder side. The "monsters" I was referring to were the ones "rocker" warned me up a few posts up in this thread.
-- Jim
-- Jim
You might be a great kidder but that is very useful info. I am a side sleeper and and have shoulder problems too, I never connected the two.
You mentioned fast moving monsters.....................Our wonderful govt introduced "stink bugs" to the area to get rid of another bug (don't know which). They are an armored shield looking bug that come in any little crack to escape the cold. They STINK when they are squashed. We have had them all winter. They do not breed in the house thank goodness BUT as soon as the woodburner heats the house they come out. I live in a log house so who knows where in the heII they are coming in, attic maybe. Try falling asleep thinking you hear or see one of those LOL
You mentioned fast moving monsters.....................Our wonderful govt introduced "stink bugs" to the area to get rid of another bug (don't know which). They are an armored shield looking bug that come in any little crack to escape the cold. They STINK when they are squashed. We have had them all winter. They do not breed in the house thank goodness BUT as soon as the woodburner heats the house they come out. I live in a log house so who knows where in the heII they are coming in, attic maybe. Try falling asleep thinking you hear or see one of those LOL
Once I escaped from the fast moving monsters I did get a comfortable night's sleep but unfortunately stepped on the poor canary in the process. I also think the memory foam is good for a shoulder/deltoid/rotator-cuff problem I've been having because I'm a side sleeper and the foam relieves the pressure in that area. Thanks for asking.
II hope you dont have wild nitemares and monsters are chasing you tonite as you sleep,this is waht ive read happening to some witth the cheaper foams...maybe get a canary bird asa tester...if it goes belly up...you know its time to float the mat down stream
Rocker, I always appreciate your input, but you all know the expression, "well you made your bed so sleep in it"? Well, that's what I"m gonna do. The sandwich bed is made after some tug of war with the zippered mattress topper cover. And now I'm gonna sleep in it. If it wants to outgass who am I to throw the first stone. I've done some outgassing in my day as well.
Now that you mention it, I remember when they first delivered our bed that smell hit me and I freaked because I am allergic to new carpet fumes. It did go away quickly though and I have had no problems with it at all.
That is, of course, assuming these itchy eyebrows are from the riba.
That is, of course, assuming these itchy eyebrows are from the riba.
That smell they mention goes away in a week. Another thing, Temperpedic is more expensive than the Sealy and Serta by 1500.00 and up and the sealy and serta are fine, just find the density that is most comfortable to you and go a bit firmer since the heat of your body or the heat in the house softens them.
Take it from me a furniture and bedding specialist for 20 years. Futons are never really comfortable. They are not made for sleeping every night. The best are latex and memory foam for you back because there are no pressure points.
I love the memory foam but they can get a bit hot as the mold around your body and air flow is limited. Married couples, or when two people sleep together sometimes say they are too hot. The latex also have no pressure points. They are more resilient causing your body to lay more on top of the mattress without the molding around the body. They are not hot. I have both. The latex is more expensive (especially if its from the rubber tree type latex, but they also can make latex which is less expensive).
These foam and latex mattresses are the best. I love my memory foam a bit more than the latex. One you get used to it, you will never turn in your sleep and for sure, you will never go back to a mattress with springs in it. They feel good for the first year but then start to wear out. Both the latex and the memory foam last a really long time and are hypoallergenic. Good luck to whatever you decide.
I love the memory foam but they can get a bit hot as the mold around your body and air flow is limited. Married couples, or when two people sleep together sometimes say they are too hot. The latex also have no pressure points. They are more resilient causing your body to lay more on top of the mattress without the molding around the body. They are not hot. I have both. The latex is more expensive (especially if its from the rubber tree type latex, but they also can make latex which is less expensive).
These foam and latex mattresses are the best. I love my memory foam a bit more than the latex. One you get used to it, you will never turn in your sleep and for sure, you will never go back to a mattress with springs in it. They feel good for the first year but then start to wear out. Both the latex and the memory foam last a really long time and are hypoallergenic. Good luck to whatever you decide.
Take it from me a furniture and bedding specialist for 20 years. Futons are never really comfortable. They are not made for sleeping every night. The best are latex and memory foam for you back because there are no pressure points.
I love the memory foam but they can get a bit hot as the mold around your body and air flow is limited. Married couples, or when two people sleep together sometimes say they are too hot. The latex also have no pressure points. They are more resilient causing your body to lay more on top of the mattress without the molding around the body. They are not hot. I have both. The latex is more expensive (especially if its from the rubber tree type latex, but they also can make latex which is less expensive).
These foam and latex mattresses are the best. I love my memory foam a bit more than the latex. One you get used to it, you will never turn in your sleep and for sure, you will never go back to a mattress with springs in it. They feel good for the first year but then start to wear out. Both the latex and the memory foam last a really long time and are hypoallergenic. Good luck to whatever you decide.
I love the memory foam but they can get a bit hot as the mold around your body and air flow is limited. Married couples, or when two people sleep together sometimes say they are too hot. The latex also have no pressure points. They are more resilient causing your body to lay more on top of the mattress without the molding around the body. They are not hot. I have both. The latex is more expensive (especially if its from the rubber tree type latex, but they also can make latex which is less expensive).
These foam and latex mattresses are the best. I love my memory foam a bit more than the latex. One you get used to it, you will never turn in your sleep and for sure, you will never go back to a mattress with springs in it. They feel good for the first year but then start to wear out. Both the latex and the memory foam last a really long time and are hypoallergenic. Good luck to whatever you decide.
Maybe if you need a bed to crash on till you really find what really suits you, is to just go to the local hardware store and get the regular foam one...its cheap and it got no fumes as far as i think...you have got to read that 'killer post" tho...i thouhgt you read all the info on the beds...i was gonna post all this before but you said you did some research...and sometimes im afraid to post bad news on ,especially on foods and chemicials....if you can return it your ok...at least you learned something
Rock: Another thing is the odor will be impossible to remove from the room its in...
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Hey, keep it up, because I thought things were bad already but every time you post I find out things aren't bad at all cause they are gonna get much, much worse :)
Scratch, Thanks, I'm doing all that but the sleep surface is a part. Couch is the worst next to a car seat. Just cant get up.
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Hey, keep it up, because I thought things were bad already but every time you post I find out things aren't bad at all cause they are gonna get much, much worse :)
Scratch, Thanks, I'm doing all that but the sleep surface is a part. Couch is the worst next to a car seat. Just cant get up.
Another thing is the odor will be impossible to remove from the room its in...ive read all the posts in the "matress can kill ou site"...i dont want to scare but i dont want to see you floating onthe clound in the sky either....i say again..return it
Maybe you are looking at the wrong causes. Don't sleep on your stomach, don't sit on your couch, get an executive chair for your computer, stick a square 12"x12" pillow between your lumbar and your car seat, and see a PT about what streches to do. . . .
Im sorry brother,but im am actually ROFLMAO...I love the elephant quote...i actually trieds a memory foam pillow and had to return it the very next day...i could not move my neck i found out later my air cond turned it into solid rubber brick...my advice is to bring it back...some stores will give you some extra time to try it...but make sure it looks in not used shape before you bring it back...and they are hot in the summer...be careful...i want you alive for more elephant comments
Just noticed Rocker's "can this mattress kill you "post but was terrified to read it since Im gonna sleep on the mattress tonight no matter what. Maybe I will borrow a hunter neighbor of mine's shotgun to be on the safe side in case the bed tries to turn on me.
I'll try and answer some of the questions but currently have outgassing foam fog so please repeat if I miss anyway, now where was I?
Yes, latex foam was on my list but I stumbled on the memory foam first and was desperate for a good night's sleep so grabbed it. It is returnable so may try a few other things while I give it a chance. Yes, on the shipping, cause it expands once it's outta it's cage and I'm sure it would take an elephant to compress it back. But actually I hve something that weighs about as much as an elephant -- my sandwich bed -- so maybe all I have to do is plop my sandwich bed on it for a few hours. Anyway, it's more or less local so I would return it by car. Not sure what the "cold" thing is all about, hopefully not about PA and her husband's different sleeping arrangments, y' know I had hoped we could keep this thread clean but then FLGuy and GoofyDad saw the thread and as usual downhill from there.
-- Jim
Yes, latex foam was on my list but I stumbled on the memory foam first and was desperate for a good night's sleep so grabbed it. It is returnable so may try a few other things while I give it a chance. Yes, on the shipping, cause it expands once it's outta it's cage and I'm sure it would take an elephant to compress it back. But actually I hve something that weighs about as much as an elephant -- my sandwich bed -- so maybe all I have to do is plop my sandwich bed on it for a few hours. Anyway, it's more or less local so I would return it by car. Not sure what the "cold" thing is all about, hopefully not about PA and her husband's different sleeping arrangments, y' know I had hoped we could keep this thread clean but then FLGuy and GoofyDad saw the thread and as usual downhill from there.
-- Jim
Wow that sounds cold. I bet it wouldn't go well with an electric blanket either. Melted bed by morning.
i hear they put anti-flammable materials in the foam as gov safety regulations. maybe that's why it smells bad. good thing it's 80% gone, would be even better if it's 100% gone.
Theoretically, a fully reacted polyurethane polymer should be chemically inert. But any chemist will tell you that even fully reacted polyurethane can produce dust inducing mechanical irritation to the eyes and lungs. And, as there are no industrial processes 100 % complete, you should expect the polyurethane to expel its chemical load. Only the resin blends can expel isocyanates, which were proven to be skin and respiratory sensitizers, causing asthma. This is just a short list of toxins found in an analyzed type of memory foam: TDI (Toluene Di-Isocyanate), Polyol (Poly Ether Gycol), Silicone Surfactant, Tertiary Amine, Stannous Octoate, Flame Retardant, Pigments/Dyes. TDI is an aromatic hydrocarbon (it is really smelly) causing asthma. Tertiary amines have strong odors and are allergenic. No need to comment on the dyes... You can read here how the "technology chemicals" can impact your health.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Can-Your-Mattress-Kill-You-76887.shtml
sorry for posting so much...but i thought you should know
Some memory foam has worse odor than others. Why this is true, in terms of the exact chemical makeup of the foam, I'm not sure. But even products with a strong initial odor don't retain that smell permenantly. Of the memory foam I've tested, from 15-20 different suppliers, the odor will dissipate to a very minimal, unnoticeable level somewhere between 3-8 weeks. I hope that helps.
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