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Classic Case of Asymptomatic Herpes?
by John471, Sep 21, 2009 04:39PM
Five years ago, I had vigorous sex with my girl friend, although I used condom during the time. After we finished having sex and removing my penis with the condom still intact, I saw some white cheesy stuff on the condom but laid down in bed while my thighs covered my penis with the condom still on it. Few minutes later, I went to the bathroom to wash myself and removed the condom. However, five days later, I developed massive rashes on my inner thigh. It started from the right inner thigh, and then few days later, the left inner thigh developed similar massive rashes too. As soon as I noticed this, I called my girl friend, who denied having any STDs but stated that she always has problem with Candida. She has recurring Candida, she said. (Before this, she did tell me of her diagnosis with HPV, which cleared up a year later from the result of her pap smear. We haven’t met during this period). After about two weeks, the rashes subsided. There was no problem such as painful urination (because there was nothing on my penis or scrotum – just the inner thigh and the spot where the scrotum normally rests when one closes his legs) but the rashes hurt when I put tea tree oil on it. Surprisingly, despite these rashes on my inner thighs and despite my scrotums touching them, nothing happened to my scrotums. Anyway, I stopped seeing her as a result of the experience, thinking that she has STDs. After the rashes went away, there were no noticeable problems or any marks left behind (which is common with herpes).
However, since having this experience five years ago, it has been a nightmare, although I don’t have any visible signs or symptoms of any disease. First, a year after the rashes, I met my second girl friend. We never had sex but during a romantic encounter one night, I rubbed my penis on her vagina while wearing my “boxer short” (underpant) (she was wearing her underpant too). We were both sweating though and her vagina appeared to rub through my inner thigh momentarily during the time. Three days later, she developed rashes on her vagina, upper pubic hair, and inner thigh, and white discharge from her vagina (but no painful urination) despite the fact that we didn’t have any penetration. I was embarrassed and didn’t know what happened. I went to my doctor who did not observe physical symptoms on me but suggested it’s likely jock itch and prescribed Lotrimin AF. Unfortunately, I ended the relationship even though she didn’t want to.
Six months later after completing bouts of Lotrimin AF, I met somebody else, who after rubbing on each other as above, she developed three boils accompanied by soreness on her vagina on the third day. She went to her gynecologist – her urine test came back positive for E. coli and also was diagnosed with yeast infection for which she was prescribed yeast infection cream in addition to antibacterial pills (I don’t think herpes test was done on her). Two months later after rubbing on each other the same way, she developed a single boil/big rash on the lower part of her buttock – close to the lips of her vagina, because I rubbed myself on her from the back (we were both wearing our underpants). After this encounter, I was embarrassed and stopped seeing her, even though she wanted the relationship to continue.
A year later (second year after I first developed the rashes), I thought there was not going to be any problem again after taking Cipros (anti-bacterial medication). I met somebody else. We did the same rubbing on each other – she was wearing her underpant while I was wearing “boxer short”. No sex such as penetration and my penis did not touch her vagina, just rubbing my penis on her vagina while we were both wearing our underpants. Few days later, she developed boils, which were lanced at the doctor’s office. She was tested and the test came back positive for MRSA. I was embarrassed again and ended the relationship.
Then two years ago, I met another girl friend. After doing the same rubbing on each other, she started having “white discharge” from her vagina the next day. This time, nothing other than the white discharge and burning she described as deep inside. Strange enough, there was no pain during urination despite the burning she felt. Although she attributed it to yeast infection, I told her that I don’t think so; it’s definitely me, I said. She begged me to stay with her. I did but three months later, the same thing happened after rubbing on each other. I became embarrassed and ended the relationship. (I chose not to have sex with these women because I wanted to be sure that I’m fine before doing so).
I have diligently searched for what could be happening. The only thing that came close is the diagnosis of asymptomatic herpes. I have stopped having girl friends for the last two years and have resorted to masturbation. My doctor couldn’t figure out what was wrong either, because I have no symptoms to report other than symptoms of the three women. My doctor recommended comprehensive blood test two years ago, which came back suggesting that I’m in good health – 4 pages of medical report (although I didn’t think infection test was part of the blood test but my urine and blood were collected by the lab). The only test I didn’t do is herpes test because my insurance didn’t cover it. To me, this appears to be a classic case of asymptomatic herpes but at the same time I’m not sure. If the rashes experienced five years ago are symptomatic of herpes, shouldn’t there be recurring symptoms rather asymptomatic virus shedding? Why are the diagnoses of E. coli, yeast infection, MRSA etc. if those women are infected with herpes by me? If the herpes is on my inner thighs or scrotums, why the infections despite not having skin-to-skin contact with two of the women (although the women were wet and their underpants were soaked during the mutual rubbing)?
I understand that asymptomatic virus shedding occurs 3-8 days a month for those without visible symptoms but I didn’t have any symptoms such as tingling etc. that usually precede such shedding. I also guess that statistically, it should have been possible that I had encounter with these women during the days I wasn’t shedding virus. But every encounter resulted into problem instead. I haven’t had vaginal sex in the last five years (since I first noticed the rashes after having sex with the first girl friend) and I haven’t had unprotected sex in the last ten years. I’m a condom fanatic because I’m naturally careful about STDs.
I’m currently living a life of celibacy with occasional masturbation because I’m tired of embarrassing myself with this infection and I think I will remain like this for the rest of my life. I thought it’s of no use testing for herpes, because there’s no cure anyway and I don’t have any problems, physically, mentally, or emotionally. Not even a tiniest sign or symptom other than getting sweaty or moist in my inner thigh when it’s hot or humid. So, why waste my money for any test for diagnosis that has no cure or that causes me no problems other than the annoyance of remaining celibate for life? The first girl friend I experienced the rashes from had a child this year and still insists that she doesn’t have herpes but Candida, even though I don’t believe her. However, she did confirm that her baby’s father contracted the same Candida from her. I know she’s lies because Candida is not usually sexually transmitted. I have studied STDs that usually do not show symptoms such as Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Trichomoniasis but none of them is reported to occur on the scrotum or inner thighs, especially since I have not had unprotected sex in the last 10 years and I never had any problems until I met her. So, what’s actually my possible diagnosis, if not asymptomatic herpes?
However, since having this experience five years ago, it has been a nightmare, although I don’t have any visible signs or symptoms of any disease. First, a year after the rashes, I met my second girl friend. We never had sex but during a romantic encounter one night, I rubbed my penis on her vagina while wearing my “boxer short” (underpant) (she was wearing her underpant too). We were both sweating though and her vagina appeared to rub through my inner thigh momentarily during the time. Three days later, she developed rashes on her vagina, upper pubic hair, and inner thigh, and white discharge from her vagina (but no painful urination) despite the fact that we didn’t have any penetration. I was embarrassed and didn’t know what happened. I went to my doctor who did not observe physical symptoms on me but suggested it’s likely jock itch and prescribed Lotrimin AF. Unfortunately, I ended the relationship even though she didn’t want to.
Six months later after completing bouts of Lotrimin AF, I met somebody else, who after rubbing on each other as above, she developed three boils accompanied by soreness on her vagina on the third day. She went to her gynecologist – her urine test came back positive for E. coli and also was diagnosed with yeast infection for which she was prescribed yeast infection cream in addition to antibacterial pills (I don’t think herpes test was done on her). Two months later after rubbing on each other the same way, she developed a single boil/big rash on the lower part of her buttock – close to the lips of her vagina, because I rubbed myself on her from the back (we were both wearing our underpants). After this encounter, I was embarrassed and stopped seeing her, even though she wanted the relationship to continue.
A year later (second year after I first developed the rashes), I thought there was not going to be any problem again after taking Cipros (anti-bacterial medication). I met somebody else. We did the same rubbing on each other – she was wearing her underpant while I was wearing “boxer short”. No sex such as penetration and my penis did not touch her vagina, just rubbing my penis on her vagina while we were both wearing our underpants. Few days later, she developed boils, which were lanced at the doctor’s office. She was tested and the test came back positive for MRSA. I was embarrassed again and ended the relationship.
Then two years ago, I met another girl friend. After doing the same rubbing on each other, she started having “white discharge” from her vagina the next day. This time, nothing other than the white discharge and burning she described as deep inside. Strange enough, there was no pain during urination despite the burning she felt. Although she attributed it to yeast infection, I told her that I don’t think so; it’s definitely me, I said. She begged me to stay with her. I did but three months later, the same thing happened after rubbing on each other. I became embarrassed and ended the relationship. (I chose not to have sex with these women because I wanted to be sure that I’m fine before doing so).
I have diligently searched for what could be happening. The only thing that came close is the diagnosis of asymptomatic herpes. I have stopped having girl friends for the last two years and have resorted to masturbation. My doctor couldn’t figure out what was wrong either, because I have no symptoms to report other than symptoms of the three women. My doctor recommended comprehensive blood test two years ago, which came back suggesting that I’m in good health – 4 pages of medical report (although I didn’t think infection test was part of the blood test but my urine and blood were collected by the lab). The only test I didn’t do is herpes test because my insurance didn’t cover it. To me, this appears to be a classic case of asymptomatic herpes but at the same time I’m not sure. If the rashes experienced five years ago are symptomatic of herpes, shouldn’t there be recurring symptoms rather asymptomatic virus shedding? Why are the diagnoses of E. coli, yeast infection, MRSA etc. if those women are infected with herpes by me? If the herpes is on my inner thighs or scrotums, why the infections despite not having skin-to-skin contact with two of the women (although the women were wet and their underpants were soaked during the mutual rubbing)?
I understand that asymptomatic virus shedding occurs 3-8 days a month for those without visible symptoms but I didn’t have any symptoms such as tingling etc. that usually precede such shedding. I also guess that statistically, it should have been possible that I had encounter with these women during the days I wasn’t shedding virus. But every encounter resulted into problem instead. I haven’t had vaginal sex in the last five years (since I first noticed the rashes after having sex with the first girl friend) and I haven’t had unprotected sex in the last ten years. I’m a condom fanatic because I’m naturally careful about STDs.
I’m currently living a life of celibacy with occasional masturbation because I’m tired of embarrassing myself with this infection and I think I will remain like this for the rest of my life. I thought it’s of no use testing for herpes, because there’s no cure anyway and I don’t have any problems, physically, mentally, or emotionally. Not even a tiniest sign or symptom other than getting sweaty or moist in my inner thigh when it’s hot or humid. So, why waste my money for any test for diagnosis that has no cure or that causes me no problems other than the annoyance of remaining celibate for life? The first girl friend I experienced the rashes from had a child this year and still insists that she doesn’t have herpes but Candida, even though I don’t believe her. However, she did confirm that her baby’s father contracted the same Candida from her. I know she’s lies because Candida is not usually sexually transmitted. I have studied STDs that usually do not show symptoms such as Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Trichomoniasis but none of them is reported to occur on the scrotum or inner thighs, especially since I have not had unprotected sex in the last 10 years and I never had any problems until I met her. So, what’s actually my possible diagnosis, if not asymptomatic herpes?
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Honestly what you describe really doesn't sound like herpes. At this point even if it means paying out of pocket, you need a type specific herpes igg blood test so that you can move on with this in your mind.
Why do you constantly end relationships like you seem to do? I hope you are doing some introspection , recognizing a pattern and trying to deal with it besides avoidance by ending the relationship.
grace
Perhaps I miscommunicated the nature of rashes five years ago as mentioned in my posting. It seems I used a wrong word. Instead of blisters that oozed after fluid came out of it, I mistakenly mentioned rashes. Also, the underwear of the women were wet during the rubbing on each other and I could I feel their wetness through my own underwear too. Besides, it is possible that during the encounter our skin might have touched each other, as my underwear "boxer short" was linen and not long enough to cover a significant part of my thighs/inner thighs.
My leaning on the side of herpes is borne out of the symptoms of my second girl friend described above which include scaterred blisters on her vagina (but they are raised and bumpy and later dried up), upper pubic hair, inner thighs, and white discharge from her vagina (but no painful urination). In fact, she didn't want to tell me; it was me who noticed the white discharge on the sofa and asked her what happened. She later showed me other blisters on her vagina, which was three days after our rubbing on each other. It's like about 10 of them but are spread out on her private part. They are very painful, she said, but she didn't experience any pain during urination. If I could recall, it appears she reported a similar outbreak some couple of months later.
As for ending relationships, I guess it touches on my self pride the fact that I could not present myself clean to the caliber of women I dated. These are women of means and character, and I think you understand what I mean.
Anyway, I hope to find solutions to this problem one day. I have no clue about what is happening. I understand the possibility of MRSA on the thighs but the varying nature of symptoms among the three women suggest something beyond MRSA. I hope to find a location where I can take annonymous herpes test. My gut tells me it's a case of asymptomatic herpes, although guts are not facts.
grace