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big kid on 14 hand horse

how do you tell a kid that is about 250pds + gear on her horse that every time she go's on long rides the poor horse is sweeting too death and just worn out after riding my kid rides with her on her horse and when they come back he still looks good and only sweet is from the saddle pad but the other girls horse is soaking wet. I feel like she is going to kill that horse of her's
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Oooohh!  Touchy! Touchy! Touchy!  Well, obviously she doesn't have a clue about weight limits of horses, but being a kid, that would be understandable.  Are her parents horse people?  Perhaps you could *kindly* mention your concern to them. Perhaps you, or your son,  could also *kindly* mention to her that you think those l-o-n-g rides are too much for the horse and just make sure when your son goes out with her that they don;t go out for such long rides.  It seems that this girl needs some kind education about the best interests of horses, but at the same time, in a sensitive way as I am sure she already feels bad enough about her weight and probably the only thing that helps her emotionally is the horse and riding.

By the way, what happened with your horse with the swelling?  Did you end up going to the vets, or what did the vet say on the phone?  I hope all is well.
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It might just be that the horse sweats alot. I used to own a horse that would sweat profusely even after just warm-up lunging. However, my horse also had a thyroid problem, so that might've had something to do with the sweating.
If it actually is the girl's weight, though, I agree with what lindasp62 said. How big is the horse? Is the horse a decent size to where the girl's weight shouldn't matter much, or is the horse pretty small?
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I just saw the title of your post and the horse is 14 hands. Sorry about that blonde moment on my part! That does seem like quite a bit of weight for the horse to carry on long rides.
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  The horse is 14teen hands and I belive it's about 750pds where my kids horse is 15.2  and about 970pds but this girl had a small pony at one time and she still would ride him to death but her folks seem to fell like it's the right size pony for her. I did when't back in the truck to look a them on the trail and allmost when't back for the trailer that horse was so warn out and wet plus it was in the low 50's outside at the time I did tell my kid no more long rides with her at all


  My other horse is doing good now we call the vet and put some thing on the lumps that my wife got from work to help draw out anything out and he said that it sounded like he had been bitten by the white socks (a biting fly around here) and it's going down nicely now
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Of course, it's the weight, not the height.  One option is to persuade her to a light saddle, even soft tree.  My kid is skinny, weighs 82 lb., but she almost always rides her 14.2 mare bareback, and doesn't use a Western saddle at all except in shows.

It's'not just kids, by the way.  The old cowboys often treat their horses like a commodity.  One guy at our stable (where we board) rode the life out of a smallish, thin mare--literally.  He brought her back from a weekend out with the kids and other horses, and she got off the trailer and fell dead.  Nobody was surprised--that's how he treated her.  Within a couple of days, he'd bought another one.  Never paid much, used them up.

Animal owners should be able to magically swap bodies and roles with their animals for a while.

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Horses are huge muscular animals as anyone who is looking at one can see. I dont necc. think that it is the weight of the child causing the horse to sweat. The child could simply be running the horse into the ground while on trails, or maybe the horse just sweats a lot which is 100% possible. Sweating is good! It helps the body from over heating, a horse who sweats more than a horse who hardly sweats has a smaller risk of becoming over heated and suffering from heat stroke.

People have used horses for many things over the decades, including pack ponies, who have carried more than the suggested weight of this child, even with the horse being 14 hands. The horse is a pony, but not a miniature. People have used ponies to pull carts, most carts weigh over 100 pounds, plus the rider(s).

I think if you told this poor child she is to big to ride this pony you will not only be making a huge mistake, but you will be making some little kid who is probaby self conciece already be even more upset with her weight.

I would honestly leave the situation alone, this isn't your child or your horse.

As far as the one mare suddenly falling dead because the man rode her to death, if that was the case, soldiers from the wars many years ago wouldnt have been able to ride horses into their battles. Horses can be ridden and ridden and ridden, of course there are some adverse affects to it, but very rarely death. Sometimes horses do just fall over dead for no apparent reason, As a trainer and vet student I have seen my fair share of horses just die, and they weren't treated poorly at all.

If people can just fall over dead for no reason, which does happen, then any living creature has the possability to fall over dead for no reason.
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Found this site on weight on a horse, on right side in blue square http://www.saddlesoarranch.com/horseback-riding-lessons-physical-size-requirements.html  you could print it and leave it around, so maybe it would be accidently found and read by the rider, then hopefully she would ask questions about the weight vs horse's limit??? you might have to cut, and copy to get to site. It say's in a nut shell  20% of your total horse's weight, which includes tack.. so a 1000 pd horse, no more then 200 pds. all horse's are different as far as being in shape, I would think that needs to be considered too.. Hope this helps, it is a touchy subject, best of luck to you..
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The whole your weight /body weight % thing is not true! Conformation dictates weight carring ability. A short backed stoat horse or pony is often capable of carrying far more weight than even a really large horse. I knew a horse who was used on a commercial hack line that was a belgian QH cross. He was huge close to 1700# 16+hh and he could only carry very light riders. He had suffered a back injury due to a large rider when he was younger. He had a long back. Long backs are weak. Long pasterns are weak. Both of these comformation faults will limit rider size despite the size of the horse .My friend used to ride my 14.2hh morganx all the time and he weighed 250+#. My little gelding was short and stocky w/ a very strong back well sprung ribs and wide whithers. He was fine.
I'm not saying kid isn't too big for her pony. Probably is. I'm just saying its not a clear cut formula and a heavy rider should educate themselves about comformation before they choose a horse.If it was me I'd probably say something to the parents that way the kid won't feel bad and maybe they are totally ignorant. Good luck
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I agree totally with BTS1022. This is not your horse nor your child. To confront them would be rather rude. If you must say something, I would go to the parents with your concern ina nice manner. I would bet if the child is not running the horse into the ground then the horse, is a horse that sweats allot. I have ran barrels for years and many of my horses are (HOT) meaning they tend to work up a sweat very easy while not being grained or anything.. While other it takes a whole lot of riding. I would not approach them unless you know for a fact that the child is in the wrong. Sometimes ignorance can become tragic. The child may not know the difference between respecting a horse or is is just a matter of the parents that are uneducated or they do not care. Very touchy situation.. All horses like people are not the same. Build, Breed, Confirmation, disposition are all factors.
Good luck
Rodeo Queen
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I have to agree that not all horses are the same for weight baring but this kid tends to hold him back and then let him go at full speed just to keep up and will do this over and over again till he his at a full sweet and at 1/3th his weight with tac is way over doing this horse

I have packed out moose with my horses that out weight her and have never let them go that far without stoping and resting them on are hunting trips even if that mean taking a day or two longer to get home but that is what my horses do and I will not push them over there limits
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I really don't wish to hash this out but at the same time she all so had a maybe 12 hands if that pony and she would treat the pony in the same manner like a 100 pd teenager trying to ride on a big dog

  Even so we have all been sitting in the stands whatching them ride with her folks there and have heared it many times over from ppl talking about how big she is on that poor little horse, so I know that they do know about it, but at the same time her mother has to be around 325 or so at 4'10" tall
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well i know i am  new to the communtiry  but i am plus girl and i have been  riding  since i was   well goosh forever. Now i am  tall person  also  and i always  had a horse  that was the right  fit for me seeing my horses one is  large Boned TB gelding who is  16.
3 hands  and  weighs about 1200 lbs ( big boned well muscled) and my  Quaterhorse/Beligan cross mare who is 16.2 and 1250lbs ( hey i am big  girl nd my horses fit me lol)  . I dont realy think it would be the child's weight almost sounds like she is  riding the horse to  ground or  to hard.   Like others iwould leave the  subject alone not ur child or  ur horse.  If u could find  away to mention it with ouit being hurtful or something that might help.
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Bloody Hell that is a staggering 17.stone ( girl alone ) with an extra 4.5 stone so 21.5 stone! poor horse! how old is the girl?

what you should do is explain to the parents or call animal cruelty  
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I would maybe befriend a humane society person in the area and pass the buck, that one is too touchy for me personally. And I totally agree with the way the old cowboys act. They act like a horse is a horse regardless of it's size, like it's the same horse whether it's 15.3 and 1500 lbs or 14.1 and 900 lbs.
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No, there has to be a better solution than getting the Humane Society involved. Perhaps approaching the problem from a different angle might help.  When I was a kid, we road the heck out of our ponies!  But we were taught to always walk them back stables to keep them from developing the bad habit of wanting to run all the way home, but also to cool them down.  The next time the girls get back from a ride and the girl's pony has been ridden into the ground, perhaps you can comment to her that her horse is over tired and gently explain to her the importance of walking her horse back to the barn.  or better yet, maybe your daughter could tell her on their next trail ride?
--lafilly
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