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How easily does HPV/warts spread?

Hi. I would like to ask how easily does HPV spread. Can it spread from the carrier's hands to our genitals or other bodyparts? When a person with HPV ***** our ****, will we get HPV? What are the chances? And if they use their sex toy (fleshlight) on us, what are the chances of it spreading? How do we know if we have HPV?

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hPV is spread from skin to skin. The HPV that is visible is the mostly the low risk kind, those are visible warts. Low risk means there is no liklihood they can become precancerous. Note the HPV virus is active and contagious on the wart! I don't know if there is a study that says how many second or minutes of sex is needed for the virus to go between penis and cervix. But I read bits and pieces that pregnant women with HPV have to give ceasarian birth so that the baby won't be infected through the birth canal. That tells me that HPV is very contagious. Just one thrust of a penis into the vagina would be enough to spread it if there is no condom.

It is shocking for people new to the information about HPV that most of the sexually active people have or had high risk HPV. I assume I had high risk HPV. It is mostly invisible. Your immune system usually clears HPV within 24 months and most of us will never be "bothered" by it again. There are no tests for men to see whether they have high risk HPV. For women, a PAP smear will detect it usually before it becomes life-threatening. Sometimes a doctor would advise a woman to wait another six months for the next PAP smear to see if her body clears it.

High risk HPV on a penis rarely gives a man cancer. A circumcised penis is less likely to get cancer from HPV than an uncircumsized penis. This seems to indicate HPV is harder to overcome in moist places, such as a vagina.

I had a wart on a thumb in the last three months of 2010. I do not know if the HPV could have spread to my penis. But the bumps there certainly do not resemble what I had on my thumb. I heard it is a different strain than what you could get in your intimate places though.

By those five asterisks in your question, I believe you are asking about oral sex. If someone has HPV in the mouth and gives oral to another person, yes, it can spread. But I read that oral transmission is much more difficult than genital-to-genital. Genital to mouth transmission is also more difficult than genital to genital.

Recent media reports repeated shocking, at face value, articles about the rapid increase in number of men getting oral cancer from HPV, through contact between mouth and vagina. However, reason needs to prevail here. Statistics can be used either way to scare you, to sensationalize.  Millions of Americans perform oral sex every year. Today's teens and college students did not invent cunnilingus. It has been popularized in porn over 30 years ago. There was the movie Deep Throat about fellatio 40 years ago. My theory is that there is a ceiling of percent of people out of all oral providers who will ever get oral cancer. I theorize the ceiling is one percent.

Women have been giving men oral for decades, and you never read about the rapid increase in women getting oral cancer from HPV. This is my rationale to my theory that there is a ceiling.

Someone posted here that the rate of increase of oral cancer in men is 5% per year. Well whether or not that is true, I think the rate will level off.

So if millions of people per year do oral sex, but 10,000 people get cancer per year from oral HPV, the vast majority of people are getting high risk HPV in their mouths and CLEARING IT and it will never return. This does not mean I will ignore the risks.

For instance, I will want to be sure my woman has no abnormal PAP smear before giving her oral. This means I have to have a long term monogamous relationship with a woman before I do any oral. Also, for her own safety, she needs to be sure I get dental screenings every six months for oral cancer, and that I use a condom for sex at least the first twenty-four months into our relationship. She would have more confidence that any HPV I have had been cleared. These measures will reduce the risk that we will transmit HPV to each other before our bodies clear it.

It is said that over 80% of all sexually active people will get HPV at some point. So it should be no big deal for most of us. Move on from there, enjoy life, enjoy sex, but keep the precautions in mind. I would much rather have had HPV than have herpes. I think a sister of mine contacted genital herpes when she was in her early twenties, and could never have kids. Sad. She was very attractive and boy crazy from her early teen years. Had lots of boyfriends. I apologize to readers of this who have herpes. At least you can control it and it does not kill you like HIV/AIDS. For me, I am scared of the news reports linking cold sores with alzheimer's disease. And I recently had thorough blood tests that came out all negative for HSV-1, HSV-2, and all the other STDs detectable in the blood tests.

I have another theory on high risk HPV. I think scientists in the future will develop better vaccines against all known strains. All pre-teens would get the vaccine. It would infect them in a harmless area on their bodies. They would develop HPV from it, clear it all in six to twent-four months, and never ever get it again anywhere on their bodies or inside!

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hPV is spread from skin to skin. The HPV that is visible is the mostly the low risk kind, those are visible warts. Low risk means there is no liklihood they can become precancerous. Note the HPV virus is active and contagious on the wart! I don't know if there is a study that says how many second or minutes of sex is needed for the virus to go between penis and cervix. But I read bits and pieces that pregnant women with HPV have to give ceasarian birth so that the baby won't be infected through the birth canal. That tells me that HPV is very contagious. Just one thrust of a penis into the vagina would be enough to spread it if there is no condom.

It is shocking for people new to the information about HPV that most of the sexually active people have or had high risk HPV. I assume I had high risk HPV. It is mostly invisible. Your immune system usually clears HPV within 24 months and most of us will never be "bothered" by it again. There are no tests for men to see whether they have high risk HPV. For women, a PAP smear will detect it usually before it becomes life-threatening. Sometimes a doctor would advise a woman to wait another six months for the next PAP smear to see if her body clears it.

High risk HPV on a penis rarely gives a man cancer. A circumcised penis is less likely to get cancer from HPV than an uncircumsized penis. This seems to indicate HPV is harder to overcome in moist places, such as a vagina.

I had a wart on a thumb in the last three months of 2010. I do not know if the HPV could have spread to my penis. But the bumps there certainly do not resemble what I had on my thumb. I heard it is a different strain than what you could get in your intimate places though.

By those five asterisks in your question, I believe you are asking about oral sex. If someone has HPV in the mouth and gives oral to another person, yes, it can spread. But I read that oral transmission is much more difficult than genital-to-genital. Genital to mouth transmission is also more difficult than genital to genital.

Recent media reports repeated shocking, at face value, articles about the rapid increase in number of men getting oral cancer from HPV, through contact between mouth and vagina. However, reason needs to prevail here. Statistics can be used either way to scare you, to sensationalize.  Millions of Americans perform oral sex every year. Today's teens and college students did not invent cunnilingus. It has been popularized in porn over 30 years ago. There was the movie Deep Throat about fellatio 40 years ago. My theory is that there is a ceiling of percent of people out of all oral providers who will ever get oral cancer. I theorize the ceiling is one percent.

Women have been giving men oral for decades, and you never read about the rapid increase in women getting oral cancer from HPV. This is my rationale to my theory that there is a ceiling.

Someone posted here that the rate of increase of oral cancer in men is 5% per year. Well whether or not that is true, I think the rate will level off.

So if millions of people per year do oral sex, but 10,000 people get cancer per year from oral HPV, the vast majority of people are getting high risk HPV in their mouths and CLEARING IT and it will never return. This does not mean I will ignore the risks.

For instance, I will want to be sure my woman has no abnormal PAP smear before giving her oral. This means I have to have a long term monogamous relationship with a woman before I do any oral. Also, for her own safety, she needs to be sure I get dental screenings every six months for oral cancer, and that I use a condom for sex at least the first twenty-four months into our relationship. She would have more confidence that any HPV I have had been cleared. These measures will reduce the risk that we will transmit HPV to each other before our bodies clear it.

It is said that over 80% of all sexually active people will get HPV at some point. So it should be no big deal for most of us. Move on from there, enjoy life, enjoy sex, but keep the precautions in mind. I would much rather have had HPV than have herpes. I think a sister of mine contacted genital herpes when she was in her early twenties, and could never have kids. Sad. She was very attractive and boy crazy from her early teen years. Had lots of boyfriends. I apologize to readers of this who have herpes. At least you can control it and it does not kill you like HIV/AIDS. For me, I am scared of the news reports linking cold sores with alzheimer's disease. And I recently had thorough blood tests that came out all negative for HSV-1, HSV-2, and all the other STDs detectable in the blood tests.

I have another theory on high risk HPV. I think scientists in the future will develop better vaccines against all known strains. All pre-teens would get the vaccine. It would infect them in a harmless area on their bodies. They would develop HPV from it, clear it all in six to twent-four months, and never ever get it again anywhere on their bodies or inside!

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Thank you so much for your time and effort in explaining! You answered many of my questions. But I am still unaware of the risks from using a sex toy that a person with HPV uses. I don't know when was the last time the person used it but if he didn't wash it, will the virus survive long enough to spread to me? I have another problem now because I don't know if I should get the HPV vaccine. Maybe that ****** spread it to me. I have never even had sex before and I was totally clean before this.

But what are my chances of getting HPV? If that person who uses his bare hands to touch me after doing a waxing job, will that transmit?

I'm a straight guy by the way, you can read about this if you want on my first post on the herpes section.

Thanks a lot. I would give you a star in real life if I could.
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I cannot answer the question about the sex toy. It would be best to fork over $20 to the Internet doctors on the STD forum and ask. But all I hear is that HPV is transmitted skin to skin. That does not mean sperm to skin.

On the other hand, a cold is caused by a virus. HPV is a virus. You can get a cold by touching a doorknob and then touching your face or ear canal. Of course, not all viruses are the same, so their lifetimes on a non-human surface should vary. I thought I read years ago that hospitals keep cool environments, not because they want everyone to get cold viruses, but because they want to prevent transmission of more dangerous viruses, which do not survive in cold temperatures.

Thank you for the rating. I have to admit I liked my own insight through the application of reason and empirical evidence in my original reply, although I assure you I am generally humble and by no means in the health care field.
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As for bare hands, hard to say. But what are the odds that he touched a wart on his genitalia before he touched the area where he waxed you? I presume very unlikely. I myself don't touch my thing most of the day!
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That guy is a sick **** bro. He's a homosexual and talks about having threesomes with guys and and I think he might have all the STDs that come with that. Right now I have $0 in my bank account, but when the next month starts I will ask that question on the experts forum.

How serious is HPV? Compared to herpes? I really don't know how severe this is. I read a lot about herpes and I guess it's not that serious if you don't get outbreaks very often. Even if you do, it isn't that bad I Think. Sorry to hear about your sister. Right now I have fears of STDs even after being tested.

Actually there was a point where he was touching his **** and asking us to masturbate together and then he proceeded to perform oral for 1 minute. It was disgusting. Will that moment cause the spread of the virus? When he just touched his **** and then mine?

Should I worry about getting HPV? Is it manageable?

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I saw once where an older nurse asked the doc about toys. He said that just normal washing with soap would be good enough. I don't have any idea if there are STD's that can live on toys. HPV and herpes are very different. Both you will have the rest of your life but with HPV if you do get symptoms you can pass them with time and never have another issue. Unless you have some other serious health issues or are exposed to a new strain. I don't know a lot about herpes but do know there are often outbreaks and they are painful. I have both  high and low risk HPV, cell changes and warts and no pain with either.


If your tests are negative and you have no symptoms try to not stress. :)
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If you ask a person with herpes and no HPV, they would tell you they would rather have Herpes than get the high risk HPV. If you ask a person with detectable HPV warts, they would say they would rather have low risk warts than herpes. Herpes stays with you for life. If you ask a woman with high risk HPV detected in her PAP, understandably she would be very scared and be concerned about her own mortality. She may even say she would rather have genital herpes.

However...note that those with Herpes can also have High risk HPV, perhaps in their throats, or if they are guys, on their penises. In a very small number of cases, high risk HPV can be lethal. So those people with herpes are whistling in the dark, wouldn't you say? Better to have potentially one STD to worry about than potentially more than one, that's my bottom line.

It seems that you are saying he gave oral on you. Let's see where that takes you, risk-wise. Your risk of HPV-caused cancer from that is so rare, it is not worth any concern, assuming his mouth to your penis.

Also, this was one instance. Risk goes up with numbers.

If you do get HPV on your penis, it is nothing to worry about. I will repeat, your immune system will clear it, most likely in 24 months. Then you can assume you never had it.

You remind me of my own concern 20 years ago when I had sex with a female sex worker  in LA. The condom broke and I was paranoid for months about getting HIV, which I assure you is FAR more dangerous than HPV. I got blood tests six months later to alleviate my concerns.

I assume you are in your 20s and thus you have the advantage of a healthy immune system. As a safeguard, if I were you I would ensure the immune system stays strong...quit smoking for at least two years if you are a smoker, cut back on drinking, eat a very healthy diet generous with fresh fruits and vegetables and fish.

Yes, HOV is manageable. Your body even attacks it and is more often than not, successful.
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Soscared..I have mild dyplasia via high risk and I wouldn't trade it for herpes ;). Herpes is painful and can have ugly sores, people would know. My cell changes will prob go away and maybe in 10 years might causes issues, might not. Even if they do there are lots of preventions. My mom had cells removed 20+ years ago and never had another issue, same with my grandmother. :)

victom, I read your first post and Grace told you that nothing lives more than a day. So don't worry the toy had anything of issue. The risk factors are too low.

I really think you need to try and seek some therapy to deal with the emotional issues of the situation. Focusing on STD's is only causing stress when you are having no symptoms and your tests are negative. :)
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I see. Thanks again Soscared. I am 21 by the way.

And that means that in 24 months, everything will be cleared. I will be back to normal? I do not smoke or drink either. My diet is healthy too. But I am still worried if my STD tests were not accurate. I got tested at around the 3-4 month mark. Everything was negative except for low positive HSV1 and HSV2 both are below 2.00. I hope I am not being in denial but a part of me really wishes it's false.

And thanks Mags, but I am not sure if that guy used it just before the appointment and maybe he never ever washes it.  

I don't know where to seek help in my country. I tried to think of myself as a tough guy. But I am a weakling.

So basically, HPV will go away and I will not see it again?


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There are no guarantees. However web sites, such as the reputable US government's center for disease control point out facts with no bias. Generally, most people clear HPV within 24 months. By "clear," there are two schools of thought in the medical community. One side says after you clear an HPV strain, you will never get it again. The other is more cautious and says by "clear," your body puts the HPV strain in such a low level of dormancy that only a DNA test might detect it. Yet a later illness in your life that brings down your immune system could trigger the HPV to come out of dormancy. I read that someone got an HPV outbreak after having the flu. Occasionally you read about a woman in a monogamous relationship who after 20 years picks up high risk HPV.

Also note that you never hear about the vast majority of people never having an HPV-related illness, obviously because it is not their concern. Instead you read far more from those who have it. And the kicker is that your mind will trick you into thinking cancer from HPV is common. It is not common though. I did read in one support group, a member stated that the number of cases is higher than they say. Well you would expect someone who is unemployed to call the economy a depression, while his employed neighbor calls it a recession, see what I mean?
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Thanks again. I heard that genital warts can appear years after infection? I'm worried about having those cauliflower like stuff years later. Or even now. But there's no way to know for sure if I am infected right? I have never had sexual contact prior to that.
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You will know for sure when you have active low risk HPV. You will be able to see those warts if they reoccur. High risk HPV is far more common, and the symptoms in men are invisible except in the very rare cases they become cancerous. Since most people have it and it is dormant, you may as well not worry about high risk HPV. Again, the numbers of people who get problems from it is very low compared to those who never know they have it.

Consider yourself fortunate to learn about this STD before you have many more partners. With one partner, your statistics are in your favor. Use a condom always, until you are monogamous, at least. I advise against any further oral sex until you are monogamous, unless a condom or dental dam is used properly.
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That person who did it isn't my partner. I actually filed a police report for outrage of decency. I never wanted this until I got married with a good woman. But this ****** ruined it.

And thanks a lot for your support soscared. I am more aware of this now. Am I right to say that my future wife will also probably have HPV before I even marry her? Or maybe even my parents have HPV?


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If your future wife had no sex before meeting you she won't have HPV. There are rare cases of babies born to women who have HPV in the birth canal, but physicians usually catch it. They are focused on prenatal Carr.

If your future wife had one partner before meeting you, she could technically give HPV to you. That is why condoms and no oral is important the first 24 months in a relationship. Some people may think that is too paranoid. It is merely a way you can be more confident of allowing each other to clear any strains you have.

Your parents could have dormant HPV, yes.
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So I guess after 24 months of abstinence, our bodies will clear the virus and we will be clean and can do whatever we want with that 1 person? By the way what do you think of HPV vaccines?

Thank you soscared
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I would think that is the safest way. No guarantees though. In few instances it will reoccur, that is why it behooves both partners to have great immune systems!  During and following the 24 months!

I think the vaccines are a good idea for those who are eligible.
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I see. I shall ask the doctor if I am still eligible for the vaccine. But based on that one encounter, I am no longer eligible right? That was my only encounter. Prior to that, I was probably as clean as you can be, because I've practised abstinence and never even kissed girls. Right now my big worry is having the virus come out in a few years (if I have it), and cause warts/problems long after I forgot about it.

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I think health issues should be the least of your worries. I think you will be fine, particularly that you are educated on STDs and how to be more protective.
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You can still get the vac as it may cover some strains you might not have been exposed to.
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Thank you for your support soscared and mags. I understand HPV better now. I am sure that besides myself, other people who might read this in future will also benefit from your posts.


Thank you and take care,
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Def I posted pics of my own warts and my history/progression in hopes of helping others. Mainly to help with the awful fears and stress that we all have at first. Each day that passes I feel more and more myself again and not just some big HPV germ! Good luck!
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It is always good to get an annual physical and eat right. I agree, each day that passes is a bigger victory over HPV as long as you are careful with your immune system. Not a good idea to take unreasonable risks with your health at any age.
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