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Detox?? Causing a herx

Morning,
Can detoxing from lyme cause you to have a herx?

I did a vitamin C flush over the weekend. Worked well however caused me to feel like a four week flare with a slight fever.

Is this possbile?? Anyone else experieince this with any type of detox?? :)
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Dunno know, but it could have been a chemical reaction to so much Vit C in your body ... or it could have been that AND a Herx.  As long as you are better now, that's what counts!  

Let us know if you continue to feel better after OD'ing on Vit C, and how much you are taking.  I take 2 grams a day with no problem.
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Here's a murky answer:  It seems with Lyme & Co, our systems are pretty overwhelmed.  I'm far more sensitive to medications, chemicals, etc than I ever was before.  Laughably so.  Many even go on to develop what is known as "multiple chemical sensitivity," or MCS.  Thankfully, I have not, but when I'm sick I can be very sensitive to the odors given off by cleaners, exhaust, and so on.

I say murky because this gets into the whole vague "toxin" and "detox" lingo that I try to avoid, but I can't deny that properly metabolizing and eliminating seem to be problematic for Lyme patients.

So, it may not be a reaction specific to the vit C, you may have just dumped enough "stuff" into your system to strain it.  Perhaps the same would have happened from a different supplement?  

I'm being extremely speculative here, but my point is to be wary of challenging an already compromised body to handle large amounts of anything, even if seemingly benign.  Personally, I hardly even supplement as my trials in doing so never showed any benefit and I worry about overwhelming my body.

  
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Jackie and Wonko,
thanks for the insight. It was my first time doing the detox with the c. Perhaps my body was very excited with it and reacted accordingly. I felt relatively ok before doing the detox.

the funny thing was it seemed to bother my thyroid because my heart was racing head spinning, and felt dizzy. My temp was up a bit as well. All of this pre-cursered the lyme. The issue with the thyorid that is.

do either of you have problems with the thyroid? mine is underactive and my llmd is trying to jump start it with natural supplements. that could be part of my problem as well.

I'm just at a loss today.

I'm just tired of all this already. Was feeling relativley ok and my llmd was please with my progress.

I just don't get it....when will this be over?? I spent the last few minutes crying my eyes out because of my frustration of this d____ lyme. I feel somewhat better just didn't want my 17 year old to hear me crying since she is already worried about me.

Don't you just want to throw up your hands sometimes??? :(
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Re do I want to just throw up my hands:  no, I want to use them to smack the MDs who say Lyme ain't really a serious disease.  Ha.

But I hear you.  Yes, it's dispiriting and depressing, and part of that (a big part of that for me) is the BUGS.  On days when my body is well, my spirits rise as well.  Don't blame yourself, and perhaps your kid would benefit from you saying just that:  part of Lyme is that it affects your thoughts and emotions, just like the flu does, making things seem bleak ... but it will pass, so don't worry.  My kid was about 17 when I got so sick, so I know what you mean.  They worry and lurk in doorways, but they don't know what to do or say.  So I try to acknowledge out loud that "I'm having a bad day" and then force myself to seem a little better for a while, for the kid's sake...okay, and for my peace of mind too.  Crying is good, it clears out the tear ducts and maybe some of the trash the bugs leave behind.  :)

Your thyroid situation may well be affecting you at the moment.  I do not know why or how exactly, but thyroid IS affected (so I read) by Lyme.  One of the first things my LLMD tested me for was low thyroid, and yes, I have it.  So the LLMD put me on thyroid supps, but they gave me a stomachache at a time when I wasn't prepared to deal with it, so I stopped.  I might try them again sometime, seeing as my body temp is constantly between 95 and 96.  But for now, I'm trying to just keep the body happy and not give it what seem to me to be unnecessary meds.  

Like Wonko says above, the body is very sensitive to everything when Lyme is involved, and for that reason I am trying to Keep It Simple.

I think some people do better on thyroid supps than I did, and it was several years ago when I was first so VERY ill that I didn't react well.  Despite my currently low body temp, I have some very good days, and that's enough to get me through.  For now.  (It drives everyone else nuts that our place is constantly at 80F degrees ... but feels JUST FINE to me!)

You might want to check in with your LLMD (who sounds very thoughtful!) and see if you should adjust the dose up or maybe down.  Just a thought.

Have a good therapeutic cry, then hug yourself, and then hug your kid.  You will get through!

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Hi,
thanks for listening. I did cry and it felt better. I'm just frustrated at all this stuff needed to get well. I do it and still get hit with more garbage.

I'm trying to keep it simple and just get through the day and take my meds, eat well, take vitamins and any other thing that is needed.

My body temp has been 97 degress for as long as I can remember. I survived this long haven't I ?

how are doing? Are you back on meds since the second bite?

Again, thanks for all the kind, isightful advice.

Janice
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Hey, your temp is 97 degrees!?  I'm jealous!!  Ha.

I went off abx about a year ago when I got a systemic yeast infection, and took a long time to dig myself out of that hole.

It was last May I got the second bite, and am untreated as we speak.  Almost ready to give the doxycycline a try, but not really looking forward to it.  I know it has to be done, it's just a matter of when.  Sigh.

But right now, I'm having a few spectacularly good days, and am really enjoying them!  I wish the same for you.
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