Ivermectin Anyone?

[mojogal]

My brain fog can't remember if we have talked about this or not. My LLMD is giving me ivermectin on my next visit. On my Facebook support group, everyone raves how much it helps them and I am anxious to try it. Has anyone ever tried it and if so what were your results?

[cave76]

O.K.---- thanks, Bob. You had put s. felis and I didn't see the stongyloides mentioned in that post. Sorry for my confusion.

[nutrinut_bob]

It appears we may be talking about two different s. felis.  Staphylococcus felis which would respond to ABX vs my stongyloides felis.  Mine is actually a maybe, for all I know the siamese might have picked up something from the raccoon feces that has accumulated under my cousin's trailer.  Worms  is what I had, though they probably bring some baggage with them.

Right now I am trying to save some his cats that are infected with tapeworms.  

mojo, it won't hurt you, that much I can say.  Take a good look at stools for dead ones, and if the dose is high enough, it will make you vomit if you do have worms.  God I hate worm slime!

[mojogal]

Bob, Thanks for sharing that.
What I heard from many Lymie's and read some place ( of course I can't remember where) and my LLMD must have read it  too is that there are positive reactions from taking the ivermectin with Lyme. I will ask her more at my next appointment before she prescribes it.

[cave76]

Bob, I'm a bit confused----- I thought that most staph infections were treated by antibiotics.

Here's a reference:

According to Igimi et al (1), all isolates of S. felis were highly susceptible to penicillin and ampicillin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481492/pdf/canvetj00066-0058b.pdf

[nutrinut_bob]

I won't discuss my dosage with you mojogal, you don't want to go there.  Reason I was taking it I don't mind telling you.  I got some roundworms from cats, thanks to a cousin who has too many cats and a great big litter box that he doesn't empty often enough.  I wanted to sit in a chair and there was a big siamese that didn't want to get up.  So I shared the chair with it.  I guess it had recently been in the litter box, I sat on the edge of the chair with it laying in the back of the chair with it's feet pointed at me.  A couple days later I had sores on my buttocks.  S. felis can bore through a dog's skin and be in their lymphatic system a half hour after contact.  I'm a rather thin-skinned person and they were living in my lymphatic system.  They had several months to multiply before I figured out what was going on.  They're smart too, even had part of my lymphatic system blocked off so that if I took something fat soluble, they could run to where the lymph wasn't flowing.  It took a combination of fat and water soluble medications to get at them.   I can't see the drug having much of an effect on borrelia to be honest with you, but maybe your Dr knows something I don't or perhaps sees some signs of helminth infection in you.

[cave76]

With an apology to Bob----- I'll jump in here with my opinion.

Bob stated that he bought his at a feed store. I know that many people do have to buy their drugs at the feed store, but if you have a doctor who can rx it then perhaps that's the way to go. (Assuming you have insurance.)

[mojogal]

Bob, thanks for all the good information. Folks on my FB support group said they felt so much better on it. I asked them if anyone had tried it and most had. It is not a cure but if it can help, I am ready to try it.

May I ask what dose you took and why?

[nutrinut_bob]

The main concern is neurotoxicity, which in most mammalian species may manifest as central nervous system depression, and consequent ataxia, as might be expected from potentiation of inhibitory GABA-ergic synapses.

Try it, if you have parasites that it's effective on, you'll know soon, otherwise, it certainly isn't going to help with brain fog.  

[nutrinut_bob]

Besides the above, if you take it with alcohol, I know from experience that you'll be very, very drunk as it increases inhibitory neurotransmitters.  Oddly the same neurotransmitter, GABA, that stealth pathogens produce so that you don't feel them.  What you'll get from your LLMD is probably a miniscule dose compared to what I took though.  The LLMD that I consult has increased the dosage she prescribes to patients with parasites after I researched it and let her know it isn't very toxic.

[nutrinut_bob]

I have some experience with Ivermectin, good for worms other than tapes, though some species are becoming resistant.   The nearby farm store was my source for it.  A lot of it is wasted because of poor absorption.  Alcohol increases the bioavailability.  Expect to get sick if you have worms, nothing quite like vomiting worm slime or eliminating it out the other end!  I have quite a memory of mom worming we three kids when we were little, two of us vomiting, the other one sitting on the pot.  Probably wasn't Ivermectin back then, but whatever it was gave the same results.

[mojogal]

Yes, that is very sad.

[cave76]

mojo---- some people have to buy their antibiotics at vet supply places. Sad commentary on the state of affairs. Sigh

[cave76]

From WikiAnswers:

Does Coumadin have rat poison in it?

"Answer:
Coumadin (warfarin) is the active ingredient in rat poison. That being said, Coumadin is dosed, for humans, in a manner which prevents blood clotting (especially for those at risk), and does not act as a poison at the therapeutic dosage level. (However, when rats ingest the high concentrations of warfarin in rat poison, they bleed to death, internally.)"

A longer, better and more precise answer is found on Wikipedia.

Another icky thing about warfarin/Coumadin is it reacts with almost everything thing a person ingests! I swear that air might even affect it. LOL

I have to do a finger stick for blood almost every week to keep my INR in range. (Won't bother to define INR)

If I'm out of range, higher or lower (and it's a very narrow range, I watch what green veggies/foods I eat. Green doesn't always define it though, since cauliflower or blueberries or....... will have too much Vit K in it.

But, enough about me. How do YOU feel about me? (grin)

[Ricobord]

I don't even know what Ivermectin is for.  I'll have to go look that up...

Cave76 - I got a good laugh about rat poison. I didn't know that about Coumadin, either!  I guess too much of a good thing becomes poison, eh?

[mojogal]

Lol, some people without insurance actually go to the pet places to get it cheaper, but would not care to drink the liquid. Yuck.

[cave76]

I haven't taken it so I can't report my experience with it.

I do remember when it was first being touted as a great thing. Seems a doctor in CO was one of the first rxing it for Lymies. (I may have that wrong, though)

I do know that many people think it helped them. I just can't get past the idea that for years I gave it to my horses. LOL

But then, I'm taking a 'rat poison' (Coumadin)---- so who am I to talk?