exercise make it worse?

I do cardio everyday for 30 minutes. My face and head hurt so much worse both immediately and hours after I exercise. Does exercise make lyme symptoms worse?

[winfree]

Do you have lyme? How ill are you? How effective has treatmtent been?
Yes it will make it worse. Do you get more fatigued and do not recover well? I had terrible face and neck pain; activity increased it. All my symptoms that kicked in at different stages were worse with exercise and general activity. One lyme dr. said do not have these patients do aerobic exercise as they are literally starved for oxygen. I believe it.
You have to learn how to pace and limit activity, which is very hard because how you feel changes from day to day.
Best things for me for the face pain was effective antibiotic treatment and getting lymphatic drainage massage in my neck, face for over a year, through physical therapy.

[oliviamarie12345]

I asked about the Lyme facial pain. I do have Lyme and my main symptom is headache/facial pain. Exercise does make it worse, so I don't. Is there anything that helped your face pain? Mine gets so terrible at times! I am on treatment, antibiotics, antifungals, and supplements like probiotics. Any advice would be much appreciated. Please and thank you.

[bknees]

My husband and daughter both battle lyme.  For years, when hubby exercises or does rigorous activity (because he overdoes it when he has a "good day"), he ends up the next day with diarrhea and horrible neck, jaw, shoulder pain.

The explanation from our LLMD is that the increased oxygen and blood flow is actually killing off borrelllia (lyme) bacteria. The resulting die-off causes toxins to build in the tissues and in his case the GI tract.  The muscles ache with toxin, and the GI uses the diarrhea to expel the toxins.
Steady, low impact exercise is essential.  Cardio is great, in small doses. Borrellia hates oxygen and heat. Exercise creates increase in body temp and oxygen.
SUGGESTION:  HOT baths daily...as hot as you can stand....with 2-3 cups of epsom salts and a quart or two of hydrogen peroxide. THEORY: Hydrogen peroxide adds an extra oxygen molecule to the water, and bonus...has an antiseptic effect on the skin..the organ that must "throw off" the toxins.  The heat and epsom salts open the pores, increasing the effectiveness of the peroxide...and bonus...eases the muscle aches!
It is a low cost treatment that really works.
Our best wishes for your trek to recovery!

[bknees]

Forgot to mention...the hubby actually uses a snorkel in the tub! His thinking is that he is treating his full body if he submerses himself. We have checked his temp...and we try to get his temp to 101 for 5 minutes at least a couple times a week.  
Of course, you would not want to keep your brain in very hot water for long, but in the shower/bath heat, he has found it effective.
He used to have a constant patch of itchy dry red skin over his nose and eyes....he no longer has that if he continues this therapy on a regular basis.
His theory is also that (no this may just be fanciful thinking) but in the wild, foxes and dogs will hold a stick in their mouths when they have fleas, wade into the water, until the water goes over their heads, chasing the fleas onto the stick...which they let go to float away.
Now you probably think I am a crazy person! haahahhaaaa...
But sometimes we need to visualize treatments working...positive thinking and attitude are paramount....so he imagines the bacteria have nowhere to go when he is submerged, so they die.
I hope you dont think I am psycho!. :o)
But drastic times call for drastic measures, right?

[patsy10]

Exercise makes it worse.  I'm always stiff and sore but it gets worse after exercise.  I exercise anyway 4 days a week.

[oliviamarie12345]

thank you to everyone

no I don't think you are crazy lol

I have heard of people going out of the country where doctors heat up their body temp for lyme and even cancer

[jason80]

I have neuropathatic pain and I find that exercise may exacerbate pain, but usually afterwards I feel better, which I suppose maybe due to endorphins helping. At some point afterwards my regular symptoms return.  I think exercise is net beneficial, but definitely frustrating that it is tougher to do when it hurts.

If you have peripheral neuropathy symptoms as I do, then I find that heating is worse for skin pain. I guess each person has their own experience, cold showers are better for me.

[Deligirl1]

my dr was so happy that we had a hot tub.  she said to try to use it every other day and stay in about 15-30 minutes. Personally i like it between 99-101.  said I would be very tired afterwards but that it will help to increase die off.  Well what a great excuse to have to relax!!!  I am taking full advantage when I can... as a side note..we are all a bit "crazy" at times, once i get comfortable I always think "okay you cites, time to die"  it brings me a little triumph while I am in there..  we all need that mental boost even if it is a little off the wall at times..  lol

[di17]

I have lyme disease ..I  find exercise does make my muscle hurt and feel weak.. Will the weakness ever go away?

[patsy10]

Welcome to MedHelp.  Are you being treated for lyme?  I can say from my experience that with treatment a lot of my pain and weakness resolves or lessens.  I have never been 100% though.

[Lali418]

Hi!  I have found that exercise makes it worse.

I was first diagnosed with Fibro and told that exercise would eventually make it better but to start very slow and work my way into it.

I worked out for a long time, and ate a very strict diet.  Mostly vegtables, and fruit.  It did help some but never really made it go away. I did find I would have times of feeling better.  But I was always sore and worse 4-6 hours after exercise.

Since starting the ABX, I had quit working out, because of the nausea, until the last few days, when I have notice much improvement overall.  I was a little sore, but nothing like I used to be, and I am starting slow.  AGAIN!  Try water arobics, as the water supports your weight and makes for easier movements, also, try something you really like but slow it down, and see how it goes.  

One more thing, and this one is a little strange.  Just add weight to your regular movements is helpful as well.  My son has trouble with his feet and legs.  So, for him walking and running are terribly painful.  So, to add resistance for him and to help build up some muscle, we got him Steel Toed shoes.  The shoes weigh about 1 1/2 lbs each.
so they make him work harder just to walk around.  After a while you don't even notice the extra weight, but when you don't wear them for a several days and you put them back on, you do

[ott70]

Far infrared sanua is a good thing to check out for detoxing and heating up the body. A lot of scientific evidence on far infrared saunas helping out many conditions. I would recommend High Tech Health as a infrared sauna brand since they use non-toxic wood. Unfortunately, some sauna makers use questionable wood.

I used one for two weeks, 1/2 hour a day. Loved it and I'm pretty sure it helped. I used it at an out-of-state facility but did find a place locally that has one. They charge $35 for a session.

Here's some far infrared sauna info:
http://altmed.creighton.edu/sauna/new_page_1.htm

[PlateletGal]

I finally found a place that has an infrared sauna. It's a couple hundred miles away and in a small resort town. I'm sure there are places in my city that have one... so I'm still checking. If not, I'll take a spa vacation !  ; ^ )

[EricaO]

hey! I am on my third week of doing the elliptical for 33 mins 3 times a week and lifting weights (5 different exercises) 3 times a week.

I feel GREAT! Some days I am slow to catch my breath and others exhausted but I push myself to do it because I know I feel better after I do it.

[JackieCalifornia]

Yes, the weakness will go away with treatment.  Don't give up.
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To everyone:  Because Lyme also afflicts the heart, please check with your Lyme dr about your exercise regimen to be sure you are not overdoing it.  I personally walk, and that's about it, along with hot showers.

[gorbybelle]

I haven't been diagnosed with lyme but get terrible head aches and neck pain,  EPSOM SALTS in a hot bath  [about a teacup full]  really helps me - it's cheap too!!   It is basically magnesium.  I only walk for excersise, anything else is too painful - afterwards .  For some reason I remember my grandma always going-on about how good Epsom salts are.  I can't remember why she used it though!!!

[Amborose]

Here is a really really good site to help anyone who's searching for some answers with getting moving who has Lyme. It's a really slow slow process and everyone is different but the idea is to continue surging forward even when you dont want to...

http://chronictriathlete.com/wordpress/training-with-lyme-disease-part-1-focus-on-today-train-for-tomorrow

[gorbybelle]

I find a 30 to 60 min. walk good at keeping my muscles/tendons from hurting - I do a 2.5 hour walk once a week - it works for me!

When I say walk I don't mean a trudgre around the block - I try to get out into the clean/fresh air - away from traffic fumes - I do up and down hill walking - sometimes when I start out I feel I am in too much pain to get far but once I 'get going' the pain eases and often has completely gone by the time I am on my way home.

I think walking is a good place to start for folks who are feeling well enough to start excersise - I find aerobic type excersise can make my neck/shoulders/head more painful.

[gorbybelle]

... I intended to say - I walk 30 to 60 mins most days with the extra long walks twice a week.

[mrs_k75]

In my case exercise does make me feel worse, but also no exercise is just as bad. My LLMD told me to only do moderate swimming and walking exercises for now.

[Wulfher]

I think that I have Lyme, still diagnosing, and exercise (hard with high heartbeat ~170) plus steam room everday reduce my symptoms for a few hours.

[Biglog]

Hi everybody....I too have lyme disease. I've had it since July 2009.

I am a powerlifter and pro strongman competitor....believe me when I tell you how much lyme hates oxygen and the heat. I battled (still do) herx symptoms after every training session. Even today, I got ataxia, stabbing head pain, and anxiety/panic. It's ******....but that means WE ARE WINNING!!

Jeff

[mberk]

I know your post has been up for some time.  Did you ever get better?  I really hope so.  I have been diagnosed with an atypical trigeminal neuralgia, though my internist has insisted that it is Lyme Disease.  I have had several rounds of antibiotics -- not much improvement.  Very curious to hear your story.  Thanks!

[JackieCalifornia]

Welcome --

I don't recall Oliviamarie posting here for quite a while, but perhaps she checks in without posting and will see your message.

I like the sound of your internist -- at least he/she is considering Lyme!  (Gotta love the contortions docs go through to avoid considering Lyme -- but gotta say, atypical trigeminal neuralgia is a new euphemism for it in my book.)

Has your internist tested you for other infections often (maybe half the time) carried by the same tick that brought you Lyme?  The tests are different, the symptoms and effects are different, and treatment is different from Lyme.  

That may be why you are not seeing a response to abx, and also, Lyme needs longer treatment that 'regular' infections because the Lyme bacteria have a very slow reproductive cycle, and its while reproducing [cell walls splitting, I think]  that bacteria are most susceptible to antibiotics.  This is true also of leprosy (Hansen's disease) and tuberculosis (TB), but lots of nonLyme docs don't know this, it seems.

Has your friendly doc mentioned either of these aspects?

[Atlanticgrl]

Hi gang. New here. I've been batling Lyme for over 6 years now. I've been an avid runner since I was 15 (now I'm 43). I have had the usual fatigue and aches with exercise, but have always managed to keep my routine. I HAVE to run! :)

However, just 2 months ago I began feeling EXTREMELY light headed after a mile. Always after 1 mile. I feel as though I will pass out. And often my heart rate gets too high. And sometimes when I stop I feel anxious or like my heart isn't slwoing down.

I've been checked by a very good cardio doc and he says i have the heart of a 15 yr old!! - After doing the "stress test". But yet I ca't run a mile.

I also get bad heachaches during running. Like a tight band across my head.

My Lyme doc, doesn' have any answers for me.

Any of you have anything similar?

[Ricobord]

I think running a mile with Lyme sounds amazing!  It is only in the last month that I can walk 300 feet without pain.  My doc insists on exercise, even if it's just moving around or stretching. He does not recommend exercise to the point of pain or exhaustion.

Because it takes us a long time to recover from exertion, I believe we each need to find our own balance of activity such that we don't overdo it, but still get enough exercise to keep us going. I doubt anybody else can tell you how much that is, but you might consider stopping short of headaches and dizzyness.  

Because I have moved so little for months, I realize I have no muscle tone left. I have a lot of rebuilding to do.  I used to complete a difficult 60 min yoga class before I got too sick to go.  I shudder to think how pathetic I will be when I go back.  I think I will have to find a beginner 30 min class!

[JackieCalifornia]

Well said, Rico.  Ditto what you said!  Start slow, build up.