Im a walking Zombie...Please!! you help is very needed!

[Mozartcowgirl]

Ok you guys.. i really need some help here!! Zane has his days and nights mixed up.... he will be 9 weeks old onmonday... and i have yet to sleep more t han 2 hours at a time.. it has been suggested to me to start him on cereal.. to supplement with formula.. to "keep him awake" wwhich i find really mean to do to a 2 month old..) im at my wits end..
if this has happened to anyone. Please .. oh please .. and im on my hands and knees here.. PLEASE leave your suggestions here.. i am no longer functioning as a human being.. the constant thrush... the pains from that.. the headaches from lack of sleep.. the stomach problems from not being able to eat consistantly..the vertigo from lack of sleep.. my  bio rythmm or whatever that thing is called is all screwed up.. believe me.. when everyones asleep. im like.. hey everyone get up..lets play monopoly.. it's  getting old..lol.. cats SUCK at monopoly. and 2 month olds just dont follow the rules.
SHould i give him the rice? Do i give him fruit? Do i go tothe nearest looney bin?

[lynne1276]

Hello!  Sorry, I have no advice for you....I just wanted to tell you I was looking at your myspace yesterday and he is sooooo cute!
I see you saw my 3-d pics but I have to wait to get home to log into myspace to see your comments.  
I'll be in your shoes in 2 months!
Hope somone can answer your questions before you go insane!

[peekawho]

This is going to sound very bad, and I want you to know it is not a personal attack on you, nor on any particular person.  Just an observation.  At the end of my "observation", I'll try to add anything helpful I actually can.  But know I  am not directing this at you personally.

I watch and read all the posts from all the ladies here who are so very desperate to get pregnant.  They obsess over their boobs, stick their fingers up their vaginas to dig out cervical mucus, test 3 times a day, and have their menstrual cycles plotted and planned out better than the war in Iraq was.  They worry from day one.  Everyone is so full of joy about their "blessing from God".  So full of hopeful anticipation, excitement, and delerious happiness.  The resulting pregnancies are analysed to the extreme.  Everyone can't wait to deliver their own personal bundle of joy.  Life is good.  A baby is on the way.  What they've ALWAYS WANTED.

Then they deliver.  Then the posts change tone to "I'm tired, I'm fed up, my husband doesn't spend enough time with the baby, the baby spits up all the time, can I add cereal to the bottle to make the baby sleep more, the baby cries, etc etc"

What did you ladies think would happen?  Babies are HARD WORK.  They are a job with no time off.  24/7.  Sore nipples.  Puking.  No sleep.  Nonstop crying.  Messy diapers.  Fevers.  Rashes.  Teething.  Laundry.  Exhaustion.  Sibling rivalry.  Detached and lonely husbands.

You deal with it, is what you do.  You sleep when/if they sleep.  Expect that the first year will be hellish, and you'll be prepared if it is, and pleasantly surprised if it isn't.  You go around attached to the baby all the time if need be.  Do your very best to cope with the baby that you asked for.  

This is why I always I get annoyed with the "babies are a blessing" camp.   Children in general are a blessing.  Babies, that's another story.  They're just boot camp for the hard work of a lifetime of childrearing.  They can be life's joy and worst pain at the same time.  

Rant over.

Do not add cereal or anything else to a 9 week old baby's diet.  It is too early.  There are no studies to show that it helps in any way, and in fact can be a detriment.  The same is true with formula; it won't make the baby sleep longer.  I've never heard that either thing "keeps them awake" anyway, and I doubt it would be true at all, except for the tummyache from the change in diet.   Have a soothing bath for him before bed, and then one for you.  Sleep when he sleeps.  Delegate housework to either the back burner or to your husband.  If you have any stored milk, let your husband take a feeding while you rest.  A 9 week old baby sets his own schedule, and you must adjust yours to his, not vice versa.

It sucks.  It sucks bad.  But that's what you signed up for.  The reward is in the smiles, watching your child achieve milestones, the first hugs, and the first "mommy I love you" uttered from the angelic face of the child who just broke a treasured knick knack.  Who then goes on to stuff a sandwich in your expensive, brand new DVD player.  

You just have to suck up this part.  That's about the best I can tell you right now.  Take care of yourself when you can, but treasure every second of this difficult time.  It passes quickly.  Too quickly.  

[peekawho]

And believe me, I hear the exhaustion in your post, and realize you need sleep, and you need to vent.  I read carefully every word you typed.  I see that you are very, very tired.  

[lynne1276]

I'm pretty sure she has 6 other kids.  I would think she's be exhausted at this point!

Putting her story aside, I do see your point for other people.  I think in her case she just is in desperate need for advice because she's so tired.  

[peekawho]

That's why I made sure to put in there that it wasn't directed at anyone in particular.  I'm absolutely sure she's exhausted.  I had a tough time with my kids, too.  That's why I only had 2.  I wouldn't have been able to cope with another child.

6, I can't even imagine how anyone copes.  I'm not that together of a person.  

[lynne1276]

Ha!  Me neither.  This will be MY first but my husband and I have custody of his 4 year old boy.  Good lord, he's a handful.  I don't know what I was thinking...lol

I also wanted to ask you a question because you seem so knowledgeable about everything but I didnt want to open another post.
Try to keep it short
I had a chemical pregnancy (per doctor who never examined me and went on a faint positive and  a light period) on Nov 11.  I never really lost symptoms and tested again on Dec 7th.  got another positive.  Went to a new doctor and I was supposedly pregant again.  Just a sac.  Anyway I'm supposed to be 29 weeks now.  My u/s yesterday measured 31w2d and 3lbs7oz!!   Do you think its possible I never m/c?

[peekawho]

Ultrasounds at this stage of pregnancy can be off up to 10 days or so.  What would be more important to know, is how your measurements were very early in the pregnancy, when dating is much more accurate.  If you were right on target for gestational age then and bigger than normal now, you might just be having a bigger size baby.  

If you never miscarried, I would think your first ultrasound with this one would have shown you to be much furthur along than expected.  

[lynne1276]

Thank you....

[LisaLuke]

i don't know the answer to your question but i just wanted to say that i really inderstand how you're feeling.  My son is only six days old and i have forgotten what sleep is, i don't know how you're doing it after 2 months!!

As for my cat, he is absolutely disgusted that his peaceful life has been disrupted and has spent most of his time outside, the poor thing..lol.

[jimmysgirl]

Sounds like an attack on everyone who's ever posted here , to me ! Sometimes people just need to vent . If all those women hadn't posted here asking for advice or needing to vent , seems to me you'd be out af a job on this board .

[AndiJ78]

Wait....peek gets paid!?!

*** takes a swig of grape juice***** (hey I am a nurisng mom, I can't drink wine,lol)

[peekawho]

I have already raised my kids.  I have the luxury of sitting back and commenting now.  WAY easier.

Hey, where's my check, MedHelp????  

[pixijal]

I know it is a personal choice, but I lay down and nurse, and doze, and nurse and doze.  You know by now how to make a safe place for you and he to sleep.  I basically nurse in my sleep.  We also have a 'snuggle nest'.  It is little rollout bed w/hard plastic sides, so the baby can safely sleep right next to you. When they awake, you just quickly slide the baby down, nurse him, and then slide him back up to safety.  You don't even have to sit up, and the baby is safe.  In addition, place a nursing pad next to him that has breastmilk on it.  He will be able to smell it, and will think you are next to him as a result.
Good luck old pro***

[Mozartcowgirl]

Just wanted to say thankyou to all who gave advice..lol Peek.. i know its hard. . this is my seventh.. my oldest is 17.  I have crohns.. hypothyroid.. and.. a newborn.. its wearing on me.. lets not forget i was doing all those things when i was TTC.. and have gone through multiple mc's, and. the loss of a 9 week old baby.  

If mommy aint happy.. no one is happy.. i am only trying to find a solution.. and. i know that there are many.. oh so many people who are childless. who are trying to concieve.. and who are suffering the tragedy of mc.  

rearing children is hard.. I know that..  but.. its nice to vent.. and hear what others have to say.. even you.. I will admit..  youkind of made me a bit angry.. and i felt defensive.. but.. this is america..lol. while it did do those things.. i will say thankyou.. that you strengthend my resolve.. however.. i am sure that there are tricks out there.. after all. how can i take care of my baby and my children when im stuck in a hospital for exaustion..lol..


thankyou everyone for your comments.. !!!   I'llmake sure and give zane some roast beef, potato.. and chards for dinner tonight. JUST KIDDING.
Ps.. my cat learned to roll dice this morning.

[Mozartcowgirl]

and in no way am i trying to start a fight..lol. so please..please.. as two intelligent people..with alot to share.. lets just realize we both are wonderful people on a great site to help one and all.  

[AndiJ78]

I agree with peeks sentiments and as the mother of so many, you know better than to start cereal so early ; )

I am on baby #3 in 5 years and it doesn't get easier, but you learn to cope. I haven't slept through the ight in many years and knew i was signing up for that when I started my family. Chalk it up to something you have to suck it up and deal with. At this point, mom's happiness takes a back seat to what baby needs. It stinks, but it's the truth.

[Mozartcowgirl]

um.. I HAVE started cereal early for one of my children.. it was 17 years ago.. forgive me for not recalling that at the time..

i have some things to say.. ok// so.. read me out alright!

this is not about MY happiness here.. this is about my HEALTH.. and the well being of my entire family.    as a family of 2..5. or 7. or 9.. its important for the family structure to be at somewhat peace..

Believe me.. i have sucked up alot of things..so.. telling me to "suck this up" which by the way i have been doing.. and i am sure will continue to..  does no good.. when all i am doing is asking for ADVICE.. not CRITICISM...  

the whole suck it up thing.. well.. i dont think .. telling people.. they have to suck it up is very constructive...... we all already know that we have to suck it up..... its the getting through the sucking it up.. that i was asking advice on.

ok ? thanks! NOT trying to  make any enemies here.. LOL

I hope that anyone who reads this post doesnt ask advice on something and get told to suck it up..even the ones who told me to suck it up. because while i love this place.. i dont know their particular place in life.. i have no idea what their lives are like  aside from here in this forum. a little compassion..goes really far..  
thankyou again..

[PGB]

For what it's worth, both of my sons were sleeping all night at 4 weeks.  (SORRY!! LOL) BUT, at 12 weeks ( 3 months) they started getting up during the night again, hungry.  I started them on a little cereal mixed with their last bottle before bed time at 12 weeks.  Rice constipated them both, so I switched to oatmeal.  Worked wonderfully.  Just my experience.  Good luck, I hope you have a good, long night of sleep in your very near future.  

[pertykitty]

if your health is what is in need of rest you better get some! i feel for you, i cant imagine no sleep for that long. if you are breast feeding and you just have to get a break, get a pump, your dh can feed him during the night. there is no written rule that says dh cant help, and that a baby cant have breastmilk from a bottle. i think it could really help you out with maybe a 6 hour night!! last thing you need is to end up in the looney bin or hosptitol, dont think too many dh's could handle that :) take care!

[Mozartcowgirl]

THANKYOU!!!! I really appreciate your advice!!  

I love ot hear everyones advice here before i check out the web.. however. i did find an article about it..lol. .so .. for ANYONE else.. who might be having theReverse Cycling
By Kelly Bonyata, BS, IBCLC



What is reverse cycling?
Reverse cycling is when baby nurses frequently at night and less frequently during the day.


Why do some babies reverse cycle?
Newborns may reverse cycle in the early days or weeks simply because they have their days and nights mixed up.
Distractible (and/or very active) babies or toddlers may nurse more at night to make up for missed or shortened nursing sessions during the day.
If mom is very distracted or busy during the day, baby may nurse more at night to make up for missed or shortened nursing sessions, or simply to get more uninterrupted time with mom.
If mom is away from baby during the day, baby may take just enough milk (by bottle or cup) to "take the edge off" his hunger, then wait for mom to return to get the bulk of his calories. Baby will typically nurse more often and/or longer than usual once mom returns. Some mothers encourage reverse cycling so they won't need to pump as much milk. Reverse cycling is common for breastfed babies who are away from mom part of the day, especially those just starting out with the bottle.

Tips for handling reverse cycling
General coping tips for interrupted sleep:

Sleep late or go to bed early when possible. When you're at home with baby, nap when your baby naps.
Keep baby as close as possible during the night to maximize sleep for everyone. Some options are to have baby in bed with you, in a bed adjoining your bed, or in a bed in the same room.
More tips:
Maximizing sleep when baby nurses frequently
If you need a nap and your toddler doesn't
Nighttime and Sleep Resources
If your newborn has days and nights mixed up:

During the day, keep the lights on and go on with your normal daytime activities -- don't keep things dark and quiet where baby is sleeping. Play with and talk to baby during waking times. Wake baby to nurse every 2-3 hours.
During baby's night wakings, keep everything calm, quiet, and dark (if you need a light to breastfeed, try using a smaller light like a nightlight or closet light). At some point you may want to begin a bedtime routine (such as bath, story, breastfeeding) to signal that nighttime has begun.
When mom is busy or distracted:

Consider using a sling or other baby carrier so that baby can be with you and breastfeed while you go about your day.
Be aware of baby's typical breastfeeding routine, and remember to watch for baby's cues on busy days -- this is easiest when baby is close by.
Be aware that after a really busy day (we all have them!), your child may need some one-on-one time with mom to breastfeed and reconnect.
Tips for juggling a newborn and toddler
If your baby is distractible, see The Distractible Baby for tips. Do babies under 12 months self-wean? has additional tips for distractible older babies.

If baby is reverse cycling and taking very little milk when mom is away at work:

Be patient. Try not to stress about it. Consider it a compliment - baby prefers you!
Use small amounts of expressed milk per bottle so there is less waste.
If you're worrying that baby can't go that long without more milk, keep in mind that some babies sleep through the night for 8 hours or so without mom needing to worry that baby is not eating during that time period. Keep an eye on wet diapers and weight gain to assure yourself that baby is getting enough milk.
Ensure that baby has ample chance to nurse when you're together.
If you prefer to pump less milk while you're away from baby, you may choose to encourage baby to reverse cycle same problem..

[Mozartcowgirl]

THANKYOU!!

[AndiJ78]

Oh sorry, don't suck it up. ***Pats mozart on the head...it'll be okay.***

Seriously, all the women on here who have begged and pleaded to have babies, including you who begged and pleaded for labor to begin, knowing what it means to have a newborn. No sleep, body drained because nursing, other kids to care for, etc. Yeah we can blow sunshine up your rump and tell you how sorry we are for you, but i am not. Babies are hellish at best and i have an easy one! My middle had me in the verge of tears 24/7 because he didn't sleep. but i realized that I WANTED him and when I put in my request for a baby I didn't simply say :I'll have one that sleeps when I want him to, eats when I want him to, and is generally easy going. It doesn't work that way and we all know that.

I am a compassionate person, for the person who has suffered a m/c or who has lost a baby and for those who have truly suffered with serious issues during their pregnancy other than the typical aches and pains and expected issues like swelling, weight gain, 'roids, etc.. But forgive me for having little sympathy for those who got exactly what they asked for: a healthy baby.

None of us are in perfect health. Me included, I have days where my body hurts so bad I can barely move, but here i am taking care of three young boys full of energy who do not understand when Mommy hurts or isn't feeling well. I WANTED to have children, that means i wanted everything and got it: good bad and indifferent. No sick days, no time off, operating on little to no sleep whether i want to or not.

I agree you need to take care of yourself and that everyone feels that they must be perfectly happy for the family to run, but being a mom requires sacrificing that some of the time.

SO here is my advice, nurse the baby and sleep when possible. No solids, no dangerous sleep tricks, demand help from your dh or older children.

[surprisebaby]

I'm sorry....did I MISS SOMETHING??? HELLO??? No where in her post did she say that she DIDN'T WANT her baby!!  WTF?  She is stressed out, and obviously, YOU have NEVER been to the point where she is at, because, you never felt the need to get advise?  Sooooo glad you are oh so perfect.  Man you irritate me!

[surprisebaby]

I am sorry, genuinely sorry, that you are feeling as you are.  I am quite confident that YOU of all people realize the complete committment of newborns.  7 babies...not like you are a rookie here.  Please allow me to "blow sunshine up your rump!"  
A little bit of rice cereal won't hurt your baby, in fact, the formula that my 7 week old was put on, contained just that in it!  (My doctor recommended it to me, because my baby couldn't keep her food down...the rice cereal weighted it down, and YES she slept better with a FULL belly, and hence,  so did I!!!)   Do what works for you, and YOUR baby.  Sleep when you can, and ask for help from others around you... dh, and babies older siblings!!!  Good luck to you!

[PGB]

I'm gonna "blow some sunshine up your rump" again for you!! LOL

My two sons both eat oatmeal for breakfast a few mornings a week.  One can eat it and it stays with him and he's satisfied and not hungry again until lunch time.  The other, it doesn't stay with him as long and he's hungry again in a couple of hours.  Moral of my story?  The bottle alone may be sufficient for some babies.  Others it may not be.  

And I didn't say give him "solid" cereal.  But, a few tablespoons of cereal mixed in a bottle won't hurt to try.  If it bothers his stomach, you know not to do it again.  If it works, GREAT!!!

And I feel sorry for you.  AND I HAVE HAD A M/C TOO.  Go figure!!  LOLOL

[AndiJ78]

You know what? I have been there, but i didn't come to the Internet seeking advice for something I KNEW was part of the package. I KNEW there would be times when I was so exhausted I would forget why I even walked into the kitchen, BUT that is part of motherhood.

My life isn't perfect but i have found a way to make the best of anything my kids throw my way and get on with life. People have had it far worse than any of us, yet they haven't made near the big issue out of it as some.

NO one said she didn't want her baby. That would be ridiculous to even say that, typical of you to take my words and twist them around. Likewise, you irritate me. Per your typical comments, you have to jump and attack my words.

I will put this as simply as I can: This shall pass. Newborns are  A LOT of work. Part of pregnancy, in my opinion, is to prepare us for the lack of sleep we will be suffering from when we are mothering our new babies. The frequent waking to pee in the night, the constant aches and pains that keep us from sleeping through the night, etc. I long for the time when I can get 5 hours of uninterrupted sleep, but I realize part of my job is being on-call 24/7.

[surprisebaby]

wow...that actually had a MUCH nicer tone to it!  Instead of telling someone to SUCK IT UP! or saying I AM NOT GONNA  BLOW SUNSHINE UP THEIR RUMP!!! ( No one expects you to do that, but you don't have to tell her you are NOT gonna do it either!)  geesh.
We all signed up for the same class as you, however, some are just getting A's in the class and some are just getting by with some support from their peers.

[peekawho]

I was expressing my opinion, and Mozart thanks for trying to guide the post away from turning into a Fight Club.  Unfortunately, it is turning that way.  Again, I didn't direct my comments to you, but I do admit that I have strong feelings on the subject.

We all have our problems.  We all have our trials and tribulations.  What is a minor problem to one person is earth shattering to another.  What I don't understand is how quickly people swing from "babies are blessings to be welcomed at any cost" to "I'm not getting any sleep".  

There are people that have been on MH for years, and have struggled to conceive and give birth.  A few in particular cross my mind, most notably b/c you don't see them coming back to "vent" about their lives.  AnnieBrooke--I'm sure her early baby months were difficult as well, but I don't believe I ever heard her say a word about it.  Nalla--has a handicapped child and recent surgery, and I'm sure her life is very, very difficult...but the only time you will see her talk about her situation is when she is fearful for her childs life due to a complication.  JJety--I haven't seen her on here since she had the baby, but I know she's a busy, sleep deprived mom, as well as all the others.  I don't hear a lot of griping from my beloved Milkspage, either.  She's in the middle of a much wanted pregnancy after 2 losses and infertility treatments.  I know she must have a lot of pregnancy aches and pains, but I have never heard her talk about it.

You also don't see me talking a lot about my personal life or problems with my husband, family, or grown children,  Most of the situations in my life are those that came about of my own choosing, therefore I deal with the consequences on my own.  I raised kids while working nights, and went back to work when the first was only 3 weeks old...I would say I had no choice, but the choice to have a child when I had little money and needed to work, was all mine.  
I had breast cancer and bilateral mastectomies while my kids were teens, and I was going through a divorce.  Did I suck it up?  YOU BETCHA.  No one was offering to pay my bills and take care of me.  I had to do it, so I did.  You do what you have to do.  

This has been an interesting discussion.  Let's keep it mature.  

[peekawho]

http://www.drgreene.com/21_861.html

If a baby is hungry, he/she needs to be nursed more often, and cereal has nothing to do with that. We now know better than we did years ago.  We wait until the appropriate time, which is when the tongue thrust reflex is waning, and the baby can eat from a spoon.  That's when solids can be safely introduced.  

Before that, it isn't necessary, and can be harmful many years down the road.  

[surprisebaby]

as for the "LINK" that peek posted...that's great, but I still am 100% confident in my doctor over what any internet site has to offer.  To each their own!  My dd is doing just fine thanks!  and I am getting the much needed sleep to!

[pertykitty]

i think we need to remember that its very possible that she might have some postpardom going on. i remember after my son was born i had bouts of wanting to cry. that is the point of this forum isnt it? to ask if anyone has been in this situation? if anyone has experienced this? if nobody asked any questions (and who are we to say what is right or wrong to ask?) then medhelp would no longer exist and posters that like to help or just offer their opinion, would have to venture elsewhere. that is my take on it. she knew very well what being a mom to a newborn is like, mozart, maybe you need to discuss this with your dr. whos to say you arent experiencing more than the "normal" after delivery stress. this forum is ready to rumble all the time lately. like peek, im off to a fantastic dinner, no brews though, root beer!!!

[ajemmom]

WOW, I bet you didn't think your post would cause such an uproar!  I aplaud you for reaching out for advice/help!  I believe every mom goes through this period, what makes the difference is how you handle it ("suck it up"/ask for support)  Whatever you do is what makes us all unique...some can "figure it out" and others want the support of friends and family.  I guess I'm just rambling on b/c I really feel for you.  In my baby's early months, I felt like one of those moms who had no idea what I was doing!  I felt lost all the time, even though I WANTED my baby, it didn't change the fact that I felt like I had no idea what I was doing.  I don't have any solid advice for you other than it is okay to ask for help when you need it, and as you know b/c you have other children, this too shall pass!  In a few months hopefully, you will be more rested and in sync with your and the baby's schedule.  I know I gave you advice with your thrush, and I'm sorry it hasn't resolved yet.  I dealt with thrush for over 4 months and it is one big pain in the a**!  As for what to do with little Zane, go with your instincts, if you feel okay doing it, then do it.  You are his mother and no one know's what's best for him other than you!  

[surprisebaby]

the solution to her problem is uncertain.  perhaps using the formula with rice cereal already in it may help...enfamil has it, just add water.  i used this on my dd...the can states for babies from birth and up!  we also used the nighttime bath bubbles for babies...it all started to help...now my dd is sleeping for 9-10 hours at night...she is 6 months old.  good luck mozart

[RockRose]

I really like you, and have always admired you.  

Just so you know.  ;D

[mommyof3mpls]

It may seem mean, but bugging them to keep them awake during the day works. It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. And when you're desperate, you do what you gotta do. I went through that with my first and third babies, and a couple of days of timely unwrappings, inconvienent baths, frequent diaper changes, slightly delayed feedings while they're fussing, cooler rooms, and sometimes just simply picking them up and doing a little dance works like a charm...

[tam2girls]

I wanted to add that a peadiatrician told me to give my daughter solids at 3 months. She was not putting on sufficient weight and as I was still breast feeding to introduce small amounts of vegies full of butter and fruit puree to boost her calories. I did this and at that age she did very well she enjoyed her food and would eat a tablespoon or more in one sitting. So without compromising breast feeding with bottles she did put on weight well. So as we know with care solids are fine even at a young age as long as it agrees with baby. Also the only solution I found to reverse day night was to wake my babies every three hours during the day and try and keep them up for at least an hour. This was when they were only days old and after 2 days they started to follow the pattern themselves. If you want this to stop soon I would advise addressing it now as I have friends who didn't do anything early and they spent years getting up in the night for their little ones.

Good Luck and let us all know what you try and how it works.

[RockRose]

I know you and I don't get along at all,  as people.    We have really completely different life ethics and beliefs.  

But I do have to offer you this - my first child didn't sleep much.  He is now 18,  and he still doesn't sleep much.    My whole life experience with him, is he doesn't sleep more than 4 hours a night.  He is up all night,  and gets up at the crack of dawn for activities.

Maybe your baby isn't like mine,    but maybe he is.  I never knew I would have a baby who never required regular human sleep.  

Best wishes.

[peekawho]

*pops in for a quick look*

Enfamil AR (added rice premade formula) is for spitty babies and infants with certain types of reflux.  Though it is over the counter, it is to be used only on the recommendation of a pediatrician.  The AAP (though you are in Canada, maybe babies there are different) does not recommend the use of added rice to formula bottles, unless suggested by a physician for a recommended medical indication.  

Though it may make your baby sleep longer, studies show it doesn't work on the population of babies that they studied over the years.  Perhaps they weren't North American babies...I don't know,  

Peace out, and cheers

*hoists bottle (without cereal added) in SB's general direction*

[surprisebaby]

although, when I first read your post, I was a little irriatated, I saw where you were going with it, although still blunt and harsh, of course.  What you are basically saying is that "you are complaining about NOTHING".  but what you have to realize is that to mozartcowgirl it isn't NOTHING it is SOMETHING.  (she isn't usually on here complaining/venting)  If you feel as though she isn't warranted of a reply, then don't reply.  

Hey Peek, I am really sorry to hear about what you are going through, and I know we all have our problems, BIG OR SMALL, but they still can  SNOWBALL into bigger problems.  Lack of sleep is not the way to be functioning.  Don't forget, this woman is responsible for 6 other children, everything becomes a HAZARD when MOM is not functioning properly from driving a car, cooking supper, to bathing babies!    So, I actually believe that YES she is fortunate to have that HEALTHY baby, but , YES she needs to get some sort of a solution to this BIG PROBLEM!

[PGB]

I am wondering to what happened to all of us being women and moms and supporting each other when one of us is down and needs a little help getting back up again.  I applaud anyone who can manage their household and children and marriage without needing support every now and then.  But, if the rest of us who do need some support didn't exist, there wouldn't be any need for boards like this would there?

I personally have pneumonia right now.  My dh is a fireman and worked his 24 hour shift last night and today.  Now tonight and tomorrow he is working someone elses 24 hours.  Which left me to go to the doctor today alone with my kids.  Which leaves me at home alone for 48 hours with no one here to help me with them or anything else that needs to be done around here.  Which is exactly why I am here on the computer instead of being in bed.  I actually came here looking for a little support myself on how to be able to manage this, having pneumonia and the kids alone.  But, on second thought, I don't think I will ask any questions.  

[peekawho]

But here's the deal...there is NO magic solution.  I read all the suggestions offered, and they are very nice, but none of them, I'd venture a guess, is news to Mozart.  She could teach US a thing or two about children, I'm sure!  

It will simply have to pass.  Zane will do what Zane does.  She knows how babies are, this one may be more difficult, but that's the way it is.  It simply has to pass.  There is no magic way to get her more sleep, unless she can pump and some other adult can feed the baby once in a while.  But I'm sure she probably had that thought before it was mentioned here.

You don't have to feel sorry for me.  I'm a 15 year cancer survivor.  I'm lucky to have survived.  I could have vented until I was blue in the face, but it was what it was.  It passed.  I lived.  I lived through the divorce.  I lived through my oldest being committed to a mental hospital (gee, wonder why???--had me for a mom).

Life goes on.  Everyone here who so desperately wants a baby has to take it as it comes.  It'll pass.  There is no magic solution right now.  

[jimmysgirl]

If everyone would read the top of this page where it clearly says that this forum is for Maternal and child care , which covers PPD ,Breastfeeding and so on and offers the chance to post and ask for advice, or even just discuss these issues with other mummies , .....then maybe we would'nt be having this discussion , and most of the non "supermoms " would be able to post in confidence be given whatever they need , whether it be Med help or just the need for someone to talk to .

[pertykitty]

maybe you should switch from monopoly to clue ;)

[AndiJ78]

So what exactly is the solution, surprisebaby? Stuffing a bottle full of cereal? Let's see, follow peek's link and you will see very clearly, I'm sure, why that is a bad idea. Choking hazard, risk for asperation, risk of developing allergies, obesity, diabetes, etc.

Separately, to mozart. I do want to apologize to you. While I stand by my words, you know what it is like to have a baby. I realize sometimes all you need is someone to say "Hey, I've been there and it sucks, but it will pass" Perhaps that should have been the route I chose. But I got a little cranked up when I recalled not that long ago your daily posting about wanting to have your baby so badly and the misery you were in being pg. And knowing you have already been through this so many times before made it even more baffling.

I agree with Peek in that fact that many women have been on here desperately trying to get pg and we never hear of them complain after the fact. For all we know milk could have been chained to the toilet 24/7 puking her guts out. But we never heard a single complaint and still haven't. I respect the hell out of that and aside from my own pregnancies can honestly say I have never been happier to hear of a BFP than the day I heard about hers. Her struggle is truly inspiring and she had a lot of complain about throughout her losses and subsequent infertility but she didn't.

Anyway, my apologies for my insensitivity on the subject, Mozart. I guess for all those TTC, remember that this is coming.

[AnnieBrooke]

To address one tiny corner of your post, it might help you get some sleep if the baby isn't hurting -- thrush in the mouth can be treated with a mild white-vinegar solution (the kids don't love it but it won't hurt them) i.e., a teaspoon of vinegar in a big glass of water, dip a clean cloth in, and swab the mouth.  I got thrush on the nipple (talk about Boobs of Fire!) and the vinegar solution was really soothing, something I didn't expect, and it healed the problem.  On the butt, it can be approached with Vagisil, per the suggestion of one of the posters here.  I haven't run the latter use by my boy's pediatrician yet, but it sure does work.

peek -- that was a nice compliment.  Thanks.

[surprisebaby]

very well said!  there is no shame in looking for support from time 2 time.  
peek- i know there is no "cure" for a baby who won't sleep, but mozart was simply looking for support from others who have been there.  i do believe she may have even gotten a suggestion or 2 that may help her.  even if zane sleeps for 1 hour longer at a time...i do believe that is progress!  perhaps mozart has forgotten the tricks that work...my middle child is almost 7 years older than my newest addition, and i had forgotten when to do what?  although my "mommy senses" are still there, sometimes, i need a kickstart from one of my peers.  

[peekawho]

That's not the point.  I'm not a supermom.  Never was.  Never wanted to be.  But I've lived with my choices, paid for them, and my kids have too.

What the whole point of my original dissertation was, was that time and time and time and time again, it's interesting to see how quickly the pendulum swings from sheer baby-having madness, to the extreme opposite.  

It's life.  Mozart or anyone else is free to skip my comments, but by god I have the right to make them.

I told her I could read the exhaustion in her post.  She truly is tired.  What else is there to say, really?  I'll make it all better?  The reality is, it will pass.  She knows that.  

[peekawho]

I'm going to go grill my steak, topped with my special blue cheese butter, and my copycat Mc'D's fries (baked, not fried), and have a brewsky or two.  

Later, gaters.  

[Mozartcowgirl]

I would have never thought that my question concerning zane and his sleep patterns and my need for advice would cause such a commotion..lol.wow.
after this.. i  will shut my mouth.. and seek some advice from my doc.. suck it up.. and.. maybe. just maybe.. continue asking for help on her..lol. ok you know im going to  continue asking advice.

ok.. yeah. ive been a mom for 17 years.. I want/need/gotta have/desperately love my kids.. i think  i AM going through some hormonal things..( even the cat thinks so) i must admit.. that its been some time since i had a baby.. and i do forget.. hey.im human.. not andiJ.. HAHA JUST KIDDING> come on andij.. laugh..  ok anyway.. zane is different than my other chitterlings.. he doesnt sleep very often.. only during the day.  I love my lil bubees.. and dont want to have to wake him during the day. but im not going to lie when i say i wont give it a shot.  now.. as i said before.. i do suck things up. .alot.. i could list many things i suck up..lol.. and it has nothing to do with my love life. ( im going for some humor here.. so suck it up if you dont find it amusing) jk.
i was only asking for advice.. for some sunshine up my ass if you will.

you know. its very nice to hear other mothers.. to hear that they feel what I am going through.. to understand why crying at the foot of your bed.. racking your brain trying to figure out what to do .. and believe me.. when i see zane smile at me at 4 am .. its a miracle.. and i am ever so grateful that I have him with me.  

and yes.. i did complain and whine when i was past full term!! MOST women do !!!  i don tthink i need to sit here and tell you about how it was affecting my thyroid.. my crohns..etc etc.. why.. to explain all that would mean reading about very ecky things!! so.. i did  suck that up as well, but in ways you meanies dont know about..lol..

not having very many female friends who have gone through what i have gone through OFFLINE.. i come here.. for moral support.. and to tell you the truth .. I DEPEND on MANY of you to get me through!! its alot different than when myhusband says.. oh honey.. your butts not big/you look great/he'll come when he wants/cowgirl up/my mom did it.. you can too/ its almost over sweetie.. wheres my dinner/ etc etc.

i have a very loving family.. beautiful children i REALLY DO WANT ( that was for you andiJ..lol)

and yeah.. i know what having a child entales.. i know its hard.. i know its filled with many sleepless nights.. i know that its rewarding.. its a gift.. but.. one thing.. i want all of you to know.. is that i do appreciate your words... even you andiJ.. thankyou for the apology... we are all stressed out in one way or another.. and we can all understand what we are going through.

now lets all suck it up and be happy.

PS.. you can go to my myspace if you want to see my kids.. lol.. you can tell they are wanted.. lmao.

and one more thing.. im not trying to upset anyone here again...lol please do make this a fight club..lmao  

I will also say.. thankyou to those who defended me.. really.. thankyou.

and to everyone.. merry christmas.. and have a good night..

HERE HERE!

[Mozartcowgirl]

and remember.. KUM BYE YA forum.. kumbye ya.

I love you guys.< insert beer commercial>

[AndiJ78]

T is a challenge all the way around, but being the perfect mom, it doesn't phase me ; )

He is a handful, thankfully he generally plays quietly in his room when he awakens for the day at 4am. I thought i had it made with my first, very easy going, good sleeper except for the typical newborn stuff. Boy T was a slap in the face for me! Had a cry like cats fighting!! Worse than nails on a chalkboard for me. Thanklfully CJ is an easy little one. Again, normal baby stuff, but way easier!


As far as BBQ,my dh is the master. He converted the gas grill into a smoker as well as a grill.  He makes a smoked pork shoulder that can bring a tear to your eye!  I cannot wait for the housewarming party, pulled pork sandwiches all around! John has to wake up at 3 am and start the process, roughly 12 hours later its done. But it is so goooooood! I can't wait to try peek's recipe for black and blue burgers next weekend. My own personal domestic diva ; )

[surprisebaby]

yes, i was actually quite impressed that you were able to apologize to mozart for your snide remarks.  but because I was quick to attack you for your ignorant remarks, you feel the need to bash my idea (which was not ONLY my idea, others also suggested it)  My Doctor has never lead me astray yet, and I will allow him to guide me, not some KNOW-IT-ALL on Medhelp!

You can continue to do everything by the book, but don't be so quick to criticize those who don't want to use the book and use something called a BRAIN or Common sense.  Let me guess, you were the girl in the class with her hand in the air all the time..."pick me pick me, I know , I know"  

Right or wrong, Rice cereal was given to me at a very YOUNG age, (2 months old) and I as I look through my dh baby book, was also given to him at 3 months old. Neither of us have any of the symptoms that you described.  No allergies, we didn't choke!  If we did , surely our parents would sit us up, so we could get it out! (holding under the arms is great for that...my dd choked on my breast milk when she was first born, she was very congested, and the doctor said to hold her under her arms so she could get it out...worked wonders!)  

[AndiJ78]

Hey just so we are clear, I NEVER said you didn't want your babies...quite the opposite. Words were put into my mouth but she who shall not be named***rolls eyes into the back of my head***

Anyway. most of what I said was said with a kind spirit. Not to come across as the witch some believe me to be. I completely understand what it is to be that fatigued and tired, to feel like you cannot go one more day this way. But I also know that it passes with time and patience.

And what the hell are you doing typing, take this time to nap woman!

[surprisebaby]

OK ... for the record...I posted that before the posts from Mozart was read...All is good...To all a GOOD NIGHT!!!
Let there be Peace on Earth...

[surprisebaby]

Ok...I am sorry for playing with your words.  you put "I WANTED" in caps, so I presummed that you thought that MOZART didn't want.her children.  That was an honest mistake, and why internet is so bad, because, things can quickly be misunderstood.  This forum is awesome, and I can't help but get emotionally involved. I don't like it when I see another (and we have had our differences andij!) talking down to someone who is already feeling pretty lousy.  Andi, I really do think you have lots to offer on this forum.  You know I won't leave but do know that I do respect your desire to help others on this forum...You are very knowledgeable, but NOT ALWAYS right.  Cheers

[peekawho]

I'll just add this about Enfamil AR.  Of course I saw why you had used it initially.  But you also are condoning using it for the wrong reasons, eg, to make a 9 week old infant sleep better.  That is patently wrong.  Even Enfamil says, on their own website, to ask your pediatrician if it is right for YOUR baby.    

Of course we all had cereal in our bottles.  And I followed the advice of the times, and let my babies sleep totally on their stomachs.  They were fine!  Imagine that!  Should I now tell everyone that b/c my kids did ok, they should do likewise?  Millions of people had their babies laying on their stomachs.  No.  We know better now.  

My grandmother smoked 2 packs a day of cigs until she was 95.  Does that make it ok to smoke?  No.  

Women used to be encouraged to drink a glass of wine every day.  We know now that is wrong.  Even though most unborn babies came through ok.

I've worked with mothers and infants for almost 30 years.  I've seen changes you wouldn't believe.  We grow.  We learn.  We try to take the path of least harm to our children.  Today, we are cautioned not to introduce cereal or other foods too early.  For good reason.  

Do what you damn well please.  I'm really tired of you.  One of the purposes of this forum is to educate.  Don't pass along your archaic thinking and promote it as gospel.  Find me a study or any recognized Pediatric association that says it is a good idea to put cereal in the bottle of a 9 week old baby, and I'll kiss your rosy Canadian ass.  

[peekawho]

I hope your tubes come untied.  

[Agiesmom]

I'm totally against cereal at that age (ITA with all that Andi wrote about it).

My dd is 14 1/2 weeks and we co-sleep and that helps.  She was a bit nocturnal for a while there, but she is over that now.

My advice is this:  They are very reactive and sense everything with us, so when we are stressed and frustrated and upset, so are they.  I've been fortunate to have gotten a pretty easy-going baby this time (my son never slept more than 20 minutes at a time), but she recently had a rough day last Sunday--very fussy, crying a lot, and would tense up her body like she had gas pains.  She very well may have been gassy, but I don't think it was a coincidence that I had 45 people coming for a big barbecue (with a new employee here visiting from Germany) and I was left on my own to care for her and get ready for the party.  I think she was picking up on my stress, to be honest.

What I'm saying is that your emotional state and lack of sleep are probably making matters worse.  I know it's easier said than done, but I would do all you can to get sleep, pamper yourself, and relieve stress.  Like someone else said, pump milk and nap.  Nap with your baby during the day.  Get a massage.  I like the idea of warm baths, too.

Hang in there...it will pass before you know it.  My oldest is 11 and before I got pregnant with my dd, I remember thinking about how I missed rocking and nursing him in the middle of the night--as tired as I was, that was special one-on-one time with him and I was the only one who had that privilege.  My husband got sleep, but I think I was the lucky one.  Napping during the day with my son really helped me to be able to get up with him all night.

[Mozartcowgirl]

IF I FORGOT ANYONE>> I AM SORRY.. lol.. just wanted to say thankyou for the advice.. i will try them all..lol..
rock.. yeah i know that we dont agree alot.. but i wanted to say thanks..

ok wow.. what a thread..

[surprisebaby]

Have another glass of wine you Alcoholic!

[peekawho]

From one old cow to another--I salute you, too!

[pertykitty]

hehehe..  i burnt my ribs, i hope yours turned out better peek.

[AndiJ78]

Stuffing cereal in a bottle has NEVER been proven to work to help a  baby sleep. Multiple studies have shown that, even the cereal makers advise against it. If the people making it are advising against it, then maybe we should listen, eh? As for the formula with cereal added, it was initally made for a select group of babies who actually have serious digestive issues and it still hasn't been proven to help with that. If nothing else, it simply promotes further digestive issues and sleeplessness due to its poor digestability

Listen I have made my apology to her and I agree with pertykitty, perhaps bringing some of these issues up to her own doctor would be a good course of action. I do not think there is necessarily anything wrong with Zane, he sounds like a typical baby who is going through the typical baby growth spurts and sleep disruptions that are to be expected with a newborn. But feeling overwhelmed can be a sign of PPD and now would be the time for it to come popping up with a vengence.

Oh, but wait, being the perfect mom that I am, I wouldn't know about that, eh surprisebaby?

[AndiJ78]

That is how my 3 year old is, doesn't need much sleep and apparently my dh was the same way. My MIL says he didn't sleep more than 5 hours a night as a kid. T isn't quite as bad, but pretty close. I often hear him playing quietly in the wee hours of the morning. He was the exact same way as an infant, even as an older baby, while he would wake during the night, it wasn't out of hunger, just wanted to be awake and playing.

[surprisebaby]

*rolls eyes into the back of her head*
That is exactly what I said...my baby spits up and the doctor said the cereal would weigh it down in her tummy....BUT...when I questioned the CEREAL  (this part was left out..sorry, didn't think it was necessary, because we all know that cereal is not medicine) he said, "Cereal is not going to HURT YOUR BABY!"  as for it being an OVER THE COUNTER formula... formula/cereal is not MEDICINE???  There is NO medicine in it.    I appreciate your research on the subject, but, I respect my doctors advice, even more.  Once my baby had a FULLER tummy, she slept for longer stretches.  

I  was never one "to wake a sleeping baby"....but YES, that works well too.  When I had to put my 1st ds on a schedule, it only took a couple of days, and he was sleeping much better at night.  Got my fingers crossed for you Mozart

[peekawho]

I have a great rib recipe...I'll post it on the CC.  Almost foolproof.  Easy.

My steak is almost done, and the oven fries are great.  I already snuck one.

[pertykitty]

oh i cant imagine!! my son is almost 9 and still requires like 9 hours of sleep. oh maybe i should hush, this next one could be like that. fingers crossed, eyes crossed, lighting a candle lol.

[pertykitty]

dh is the great rib maker, im the great chicken griller. i love ribs, but i refuse to eat them at a restaurant, i eat them like a kid lol.  darn i forgot to get the stuff to make a crockpot cake!!

[pertykitty]

why do you get so angry? what is your beef with andi? so you feel threatened by her (its that obvious) but its not nec. to keep chasing her. things do become quite misinterpreted through the computer. i know i have taken others responses wrong and visa versa. lets try not to fight over others posts. maybe we can get medhelp to open a boxing ring forum lol. peek!! is your wine american i hope? lol

[surprisebaby]

I'm sorry...did I say PUT YOUR BABY to sleep on their belly?  NO...  But if that's the only way your baby would sleep...I sure would!  she asked for advise...why can't you read what is being asked???  It was the same as the booster seat discussion...she asked for advise...It was NOT LAW in her area, you demanded it was...her child in question was 7...possibly 5 feet tall for all we knew...I tell her to use her own discretion and you are appalled because I didn't know what I was talking about.  Perhaps you should put down your wine glass and put on your "READING GLASSES" and read the actual question.  You tell me to chill...YOu should take your own advise.  I am sick and tired of people like you talking down to others on this forum.  Did you read your original reply, did it even sound like support that Mozart was looking for.  NO, it was nothing but telling her that she was whining over NOTHING!!!  If you felt that way, you would've been better off to have said nothing at all.  Now, go back to your WINE!   Shall I give my Doctor your phone # so YOU can correct him too????

[peekawho]

Pk--its NORTH American wine.  I totally support our economy.  If I ever stop drinking, the NORTH American economy will collapse.  Dogs and cats will run amok through the street.  Buildings will burn.  I am responsible for the employment of thousands of wine country workers.  And some Mexicans.  

SB--Is that the worst you have to throw? Why don't you call me a boobless, cancer stricken, liberal, circumsion-opposing, pro-choice, anti-war, natural fiber wearing, AndiJ-agreeing, agnostic, elderly hippie?  
Who happens to be married to a FOREIGNER, who works for a FOREIGN, JAPANESE company!  

I play Soduko!  That's not NORTH American!  Oh, NO!  

Girl, when you have those references ready to show me about the benefits of putting cereal in bottles of young infants, get ready to bare that ass.   But don't bend over too far!  

*heaves a brick of babydust in SB's general direction*

Remember...theyre a blessing!  

[surprisebaby]

lol...american...very funny....at least you have a sense of humour!  I find you always tracking me down too...always gotta get in there whenever I attack AndiJ.  She is quite capable of sticking up for herself don't you know?  I actually believe she is extremely knowledgeable. I don't always have to agree with her, and she is quick to regurgitate some clinical findings...etc...which, for all I know, some yahoo could've posted on the internet.  I give advise from personal experiences.  Like them or not, they've worked for me or my family or friends.  I didn't tell anyone to put the baby in a corner and SLING SHOT THE FOOD to it! DID I?

[peekawho]

Do you consider the AAP and the CAP to be a "bunch of internet yahoos"?  

They are opposed to putting cereal in the bottles of infants.  

I don't take advice from someone who thinks its fine and dandy to put an infant on their stomach to sleep, now that we know about the link between SIDS and stomach sleeping.   No matter what your personal experience, don't go touting it as gospel.

[surprisebaby]

Ok...now this is just stupid.  I never ever ever once said "Babies are a Blessing'...that's a line that irritates YOU not ME!  Must be the wine talking...go sleep it off!!!

[peekawho]

I'm waiting.

[AndiJ78]

Well, let's see, aside from my own personal experiences as a mother of three and a woman who has suffered 5 m/c's, I do also possess a formal education in both nursing and early childhood education and development, so my clinical findings are not taken from crackpot internet posters, they are actually from accredited and respected medical establishments as well as other professionals in the field. One of my greatest sources of advice is my adopted mother who has been a pedicatric nurse for over 20 years.

And i don't see that perty is sticking up for me, she is stating the obvious. Sorry you have the need to try and poo-poo what I say. I appreciate the fact you acknowldege my contributions to MH, I have been posting on here for over 4 years and have offered a lot of good, solid advice to many women in various stages of TTC and new mothers.

There are, however time when I cannot side by and watch people offer potentially dangerous advice such as adding cereal to a bottle, not putting children in proper child safety seats, placing chldren to sleep on their stomachs, and so on. These are not issues to be discussed on Internet forums, but rather addressed with the child's pediatrician.

All of these newer findings are to help us be better parents and more aware. Think of all the parents out there who paid the ultimate price in losing their children to some of the practices we now know more about. There is a reaosn why our infant mortality rate is as low as it is, there is a reason why the rate of deaths related to SIDS is down by more than 50%, there is a reason why automobile related deaths and serious injuries are down: we know more now. Now things will still happen, people will inevitably buck the reasearch and knowledge gained over the years in favor of what is more convenient to them, and they take the risk that something will happen. Perhaps they will get lucky, but perhaps they won't.

I, for one, do not want that on my conscience. I do not ever want to worry about the information I gave contributing to something horrible happening to someone elses child. And before you say it didn't happen to you, I do know of a few instances where these so-called innocent things went awry. One friend was duped into giving her infant cereal in the bottle by a quack pedi, guess what? Her son aspirated, developed pneumonia and spent weeks in the hospital recovering. I have already told you about the lives saved by proper use of car seats in the roll over accident, so that is nothing new. But the lives of 5 children could have been lost that day had they not been properly restrained. So you see, I do speak from experience as well.

So just let it go. Be angry somewhere else. As you say you won't go anywhere, neighter will I. So either we learn to agree to disagree or you continue to start these ridiculous arguments, overtaking threads and losing the respect of anyone around us. Your choice.

[surprisebaby]

you suggested putting the baby to sleep on their stomach...not me...you said you did it with your babies and that was ok.... If your baby flips over onto their tummy, (as does mine) should I wake her up, so that she isn't on her tummy, or let her sleep...hmmmm...it's up to ME, and I know from past experience that she will wake up, so I guess I let her sleep on her tummy!  If I do successfully flip her over, within minutes she is back on her tummy...so doesn't really matter does it?  do you want me to say YOU ARE RIGHT PEEK?  oh...yes...you are sooooo right...let me blow some sunshine up your BUTT!

You cannot say that NO baby should have cereal at 9 weeks...because MINE did!  as did many others.  You just can't let it go.  Gotta always be right.  not this time though.  Some babies CAN have cereal...

You are right, not all babies can handle it though, and I think that Mozart is smart enough to figure out if her SEVENTH child can digest it ok!  

[AndiJ78]

You missed peek's point. Her point was that when she had her kids, it was recommended you put your baby to sleep on their belly, just as was cereal in the bottle. We know better now than to do either of those things as current research demonstrates the dangers in both practices. So she wasn't advocating it, she was simply making the point that while sometimes old practices didn't kill all babies, including hers, there are plenty who weren't as lucky.

[peekawho]

You did it for reflux...remember?  Not to get your child to sleep.  But you are suggesting it to other posters tacitly by saying it helped your child sleep.  That's old school thinking, that is sadly still echoed by some old school pediatricians.  

re: stomach sleeping!
Here is your comment on C70:  (your words, not mine)
"I'm sorry...did I say PUT YOUR BABY to sleep on their belly? NO... But if that's the only way your baby would sleep...I sure would!"

Again, we know better now.  I did it when mothers were advised never to put an infant to sleep on it's back.  Things changed.
And again, you are tacitly encouraging people to do as you did, and not to follow the advice of the "yahoos" on the internet like the AAP, CAP, AMA, etc.    

I'm so tired of this thread it makes me ill.  Whatever.  It's getting late, and I see that you have closed your mind on the issue.  As a nurse, I have to follow  the medical guidelines of the modern times, and not espouse what worked for me, personally.  I'll leave that to you.  Certainly, you're good at that.

[surprisebaby]

QUOTE:  "such as adding cereal to a bottle, not putting children in proper child safety seats, placing chldren to sleep on their stomachs, and so on. These are not issues to be discussed on Internet forums, but rather addressed with the child's pediatrician."

Absolutely....mark it on the calendar...I agree with you ANDIJ!!!  Take it up with the pediatrician.

I have to tell you though, please don't take this as an insult...it's just as it is perceived by me.  The reason I am constantly attacking you, is, in the past, you have made me feel as though I am a terrible mother and when I read your posts to others, you are talking to them the same way you have talked to me.  I agree about car seats...never didn't.  we didn't even know how tall this child was...the child was 7 and I do know a few 7 year olds who are over the requirements.  Also, because it is not law where she lives, she can use her own judgement.  We know car seats save lives...anyways, we are finished with that... EVERYONE who didn't see that post....USE BOOSTER SEATS!!!
Cereal in the bottle...MY DOCTOR told me to do it!  Absolutely right though, discuss with their own pediatrician would've been the better advise, but to tell me that I am doing something WRONG...is also WRONG!  Right?
AS for the sleep on the belly thing...never even brought that one up!  Peek did...I think it was the wine...lol...j/k peek.  Peek you have totally shocked me tonight, I am going to assume you are having a hormonal day!   Now ... let's all go to bed...not together...but let's get some zzzzz's and I will try my best to stop attacking you.  I'm sorry *SB shuffles her feet

[peekawho]

Gee, SB, thanks for the low blow yet again.  Now I'm a hormonal alcoholic.

You are certainly a wonderful, caring woman.  An asset to this forum.  I have never called you or anyone else here a name.  

Great to have you around.  

[surprisebaby]

and oh...by the way...if i get pregnant...i'm comin after ya!!!! LOL

[AndiJ78]

*****tosses a few more bricks of sticky happy baby dust at SB*****

Toasting one more glass of grape juice to peek, who is probably passed out surrounded by 300lbs of dogs, in a puddle of drool.

Off to finish painting my kitchen cabinets, a lovely shade of dark cherry. No rest for the wicked...errr uh... weary!

[peekawho]

We can only hope.  

[pertykitty]

if you try to slingshot food into the babies mouth from far far away, make sure its just grapes and hot dog slices (with skin on). then let them wash it down with a nice peanut butter smoothy.  ; )

[AndiJ78]

She LIVES!! Why are you still awake? I have another essay to edit, I forgot his essay #5 apparently. Man, it sucks being a nice person sometimes ; )

[Tia Lucila]

My first baby hsn't arrived yet, but will be here in July.  I can't offer advice, but I wish you the best and lots of strength.  

[lovethebops]

OK, Guess I missed ton last night...sucks being on the east coast, I'm in bed while all the good stuff is going down...it's almost noon here next day, maybe you all are still sleeping??

Mozart-sorry you are exhausted, it will pass. I would not suggest cereal in milk this early. It was not suggested by my dd ped as beneficial that early on. Sometimes I often wonder if I gave my dd solids too early (around 4 months), she has had problems w/ her stomach since she was a newborn, and another phys. said that something too heavy in her stomach early on (such as cereal), would be too much to sleep on and may futher upset her. They really arn't meant to handle solid food so early on. I don't think that would really help your situation. I would also suggest trying to sleep when your nb does, although that may not be an easy task. I also only have one 2 year old right now, with one on the way, so I don't know what it is like to have 7 children. Best of luck, I hope it gets better soon and you get the much needed rest you deserve and need.

Perty-Ribs..Oooh that sounds so yummy right now!! When you gonna have me over for a cook out? LOL

Peek-fan from the start, you tell it like it is..even if it not always what I believe, gotta respect honesty and truth...I'm looking for a t-shirt too, coming soon to a Hop Topic near me??

Suprise-Well, I don't believe in circumsion, guess we will never see eye to eye..

tootles, too bad I wasn't here to weigh in last night!
~bops

[peekawho]

Yeah, we west coasters know how to party late into the night.  I was up until almost 10:30p.  Way past my bedtime--if I'm not working, I'm in bed by 9 most nights.  You know how we elderly, hormonal alcoholics are.  After my 2 glasses of wine last night, I'm lucky to even still be alive, according to some people.  

[lovethebops]

Hehehe...I am dying for a glass of wine!! only 6 more months...or a beer, that is what I really want, to go with the ribs perty was making. (BTW, Typo, Hot Topic, not Hop Topic, maybe I didn't get enough sleep like you did!!)~bops

[cutiemama]

SB, your ped should be reported to whichever board governs healthcare in your province. If he's suggested putting cereal in your babe's bottle, he's an ignoramus and not at all up to date in current pediatric research.

You still never responded regarding Peek's question about the AAP and CAP. Are those not legitimate sources? Or are you still going to go by the archaic advise of your ped?

I agree with the others that you should not be giving advice to others on here regarding childcare as you could inadvertantly be causing harm to another child if someone chooses to take your advice rather that researching accredited pediatric associations and/or doctors.  

Peek and AndiJ, keep dolling out your advice. Like so many other girls on this site, I so very much admire and respect your comments and suggestions. Particularly since they're derived from your own professional experiences and education. You're both so articulate and have an incredible sense of humour to boot!

P.S. I'm on Team Andi regarding circumcision!

[Gohawks]

lovethebop- I would LOVE a nice cold beer or any drink for that matter right now too!!  I am counting down I am due July 2nd so only one month to go!!!  I am hoping maybe he will be here a week or two early!!  I am even dreaming about me drinking a beer and then forgetting I am pregnant!  Thats sad!  But man, I am not alcoholic but I didnt realize how i would want a drink so bad!!!  I hope the siz months go by fast for you!  I know this last month better go by fast for me!!  Probably not since I am still on crutches and will be for 3 more weeks, so no work or cleaning or anything for me = (

Mozart- This will be my first so I dont really have any advice, but I know if I go past my due date I will be whining and complaining and just wanting him out too! I dont see anything wrong with that!  I know my mom has 7 kids and she just used to take some "alone time" which usually meant sleeping while my dad took care of us or my older siblings.  

[Agiesmom]

I second what cutiemama wrote.  Pediatricians are not infallible and not always up on what is best.  I've had three pediatricians give me wrong and very bad advice about the care of an uncircumcised penis--all three told me to get my three year old to "work back the foreskin to detach it" (WRONG!).  And I had another pediatrician prescribe cough syrup with codeine for my 4 month old--"that should cut back on nighttime feedings".  (No, my baby did not have a cough/cold.)  I threw the prescription in the trash in front of him and walked out.

Don't take everything your pediatrician says as gospel.  Do research, get second opinions, and move on when necessary.

[AndiJ78]

Agie- YIKES!!!! You go girl with the cough syrup, that is terrible! And with the foreskin...double YIKES!!

I am a firm believer in people becoming educated on issues related to their bodies and their children's health. While pedi's can and should be an excellent source of that information, as mentioned, some are not current. I encourage those out there with pedi's that are going against current and well publicised research go and find a new pedi. Make sure they are a member of the AAP, just because they are a pedi, doesn't mean they are! We use a family doc and he is a member of the AAP and the American College of OB/GYN, as well as additional specialty in toxicology and pharmacology. He is a knowledge buff like i am and feel completely confident in the advice he gives. If there ever comes a point where you lose confidence, seriously consider things and start looking around for someone who is a bit more current.

Cheers to my fav alcoholic,hormonal, liberal, blah, blah, blah hippy nurse. Only this time i am toasting a cup of decaf coffee.

[peekawho]

You were indeed told the wrong thing about the care of the uncircumcised newborn, though I certainly don't want to get started on that!  Another firestorm will erupt!  

It needs no special attention at all.  Just wash the outside.  They do not become retractable until after age 3, and sometimes not until much, much later into middle childhood.  

Hey Andi!  I'm going to bed again for my nap.  Have to work tonight.  Catch ya later.  

[AndiJ78]

Better keep to your diet, my voice will be haunting you, peek.

[lovethebops]

Hey perty, where are you w/ my ribs??? I'm WAITINGGGG!

I may have to settle for the old hormonal alcoholic cow's steak and fries (you got any leftovers??, help a pregnant chick out!)  ;)  
I may even have a swig of wine!! If I were on last night, I'd be driven to drink too!!

[Agiesmom]

Thanks, Andi.  I know my mouth dropped open when he said that--I couldn't believe it.  I wonder how many other mothers went, "Oh, OK." and actually did it.

Thanks, Peek...I did a lot of research on it and did know that what they were saying was wrong, but it makes me sick to think of how many other parents didn't question them and actually tried to do that.

I have a new pediatrician and when I met him, I asked, "What do you do to care for a circumcised penis?" and he replied, "Absolutely nothing.  Wash it like you would wash your arm."

I really am stunned at how ignorant so many doctors here are about this.  And when people go on about the statistics on infection and having to have a circumcision later in life, I'm wondering if it's because they are listening to these doctors telling them to try to retract and rip the foreskin at 3, 4, and 5 years old--of course you're opening it to infection if you tear it (and it will probably develop scar tissue, too).  I honestly can't understand why more doctors here don't educate themselves about this--even if it means calling pediatricians in countries where the majority of boys are not circumcised to get accurate information about it.

[AndiJ78]

There is definite danger when people don't educate themselves, that's for sure. But look at how many people were giving their babies benadryl at their doc's urging to help them sleep (I know, I didn't realize it was being done until a recent study came out) and they found out (duh!) that it doesn't work and is dangerous. When my oldest was being weaned, he developed an ear infection. He was put on an anti-biotic and it didn't go away. They put him on augmentin and he developed a severe rash. I called pedi afterhours and they called in an rx for benadryl. Of course, I went and filled it that night within an hour of them calling it in and gave the meds as instructed. While it certainly helped with the rash, he was WIRED all night long!! I imagine all those parents who were giving the benadryl thought it would knock them out like it knocks them out. Much like you can have half the population knocked out by a pain med and the other half will be wired. Kids generally don't react like adults with those meds.

Docs really should know better than to recommend that to parents. Giving meds unnecessarily is dangerous and spawns a whole slew of issues down the road. I have heard more than my share of parents who would dose their infants up with other cough meds to get them to sleep and it literally brought me knocking on CPS's door. Even if their doc's told them to, someone needs to be held accountable.

[surprisebaby]

bops-i guess you r right, we will NEVER see eye to eye.  when you actually WITNESS an adult male go through the pain and embarassment of a circ later on in life, you might!  i appreciate it being an individual choice, i have seen all the facts on this one, done my research  and felt 100% confident i had made the right decision for us...but completely respect and understand those who choose not to circ their sons.  I don't think that was a fair statement to make to me on this thread, seeing as we have 2 different opinions...and now WE will "never see eye to eye"   i never once directed my comments at YOU  imparticular...you think b/c i have  been made to feel like a less than perfect mother in the past by andi (although she has been completely unaware of this, so it was partially my fault for over reacting)and i retaliated...to which i have now explained myself, allows you to try to get "in on this?"

cutiemama-peek and i discussed why my doc recommended formula...it was something that was needed in my circumstances.  SO NO, MY DOC SHOULD NOT BE REPORTED TO ANYONE.  I HAVE ALREADY REALIZED  my advice s/b   talk to your doctor
thank you all for feeling the need to say your 2 cents...now DROP IT!!!  

[pertykitty]

One day, a man came home and was greeted by his wife dressed in a very sexy nightie. " Tie me up, " she purred, " and you can do anything you want. "

So he tied her up and went golfing.

**************************************************

A woman came home, screeching her car into the driveway, and ran into the house. She slammed the door and shouted at the top of her lungs, " Honey, pack your bags. I won the lottery! "

The husband said, " Oh my God! What should I pack, beach stuff or mountain stuff? " " Doesn't matter, " she said. " Just get out. "

[lovethebops]

It was more of a joke...I should have known by your posts that you can't take a joke and are a tad hot under the collar..ease up, you need to get a grip!

You can cut off anything you want from your kids and stick anything you want in their bottles...I really don't care what you you do. I can't take someone like you serious, what, you want to pick a fight w/ me?? Sorry, thats not what I come on here for..I missed all the fun last night, peacefully sleeping actually.

I'll remember how stiff you are in the future, and refrain from commenting on your posts, it won't do you/me any good.  
Anyone on here knows I have stated my position on these 'brawls', call them what you will, time and again and I stay far away from them...I am a lover, not a fighter..Guess you win this round, happy??

Guess someone can't take a little sarcastic joke...Peeka, any wine left?? She is still steaming over last night..

[lovethebops]

LOL, havn't heard those..cute...I'll try them on dh..

You knew I was being sarcastic right?? I thought everyone knew I don't get involved in these...I don't like it when ppl are mean to me...it hurts my sensitive feelings. :(

**Sniffles as I lick my wounds** Guess I won't say a thing to anyone anymore...(my jokes arn't funny to all:(

DID you see my post about pasturizing eggs?? I actually thought they did that to eggs...Guess I'm losing it!

Hope you have a good night..It is getting to be bedtime here in the east..

Hope everyone has a better week!

[surprisebaby]

There was NEVER any JOKE made...I have a very good sense of humour, but THAT, was just an out and out attack on me, for no good reason, and especially since all the DUST had settled.  Did any one else think it was funny?  and if so, what part of it?    I don't find much funny about discussions on something so personal, such as a decision to circ. or not.  Had a close friend who told me that she couldn't believe that I was so cruel for chosing to do what I did.  I was HORMONAL, I had just had a baby, chose to circumcise and she was way out of line...now when friends ask me, I tell them about my BIL, tell them why we chose to, but finish...with It's SUCH A PERSONAL decision and one should not be made to feel guilty for whatever they decide.

The joke about the wine...now that was funny!

[lovethebops]

WHOA WHOA WHoa...you win...I am not getting into it w/ you..I told you that...It was sarcasim..ever heard of it??  Yes, I missed everything. dust was settled. never should have personally jabbed you..blah, blah, blah..is that what you are looking for?? now you are just being silly trying to defend yourself to someone that just doesn't give a damn what you do or think..All I said was:

I am against circumsion, so I guess we will never see eye to eye (guess I should have inserted LOL after it)


I really don't having anything left to say ...I hate beating my head on a wall. This is really quite old. But I must admit, I love coming back to these threads to see how many comments it can get up to..Are you good at 105??? I am.  Again, sorry if you don't get my sense of humor...I'm tired, enjoy your wine, I can't for another 6 months..I'll stay out of your threads, I really don't like this sort of thing...It makes my head ache and my feet swell. Good night.

[surprisebaby]

if you don't like these sort of threads...why did you bother to comment then?  After the fact???  do i hear 106???

[lovethebops]

I said Good night! I got 107..you got 108??

[surprisebaby]

you are really convincing that you don't like this sort of thing....but as you can see..... I DO !!!  

[lovethebops]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ 9:30 ET ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[surprisebaby]

geeee...i thought u were going to bed?  didn't like this sort of thing...that must've been some more of your sarcasim!

[lovethebops]

yep..now I am just sleepwalking..or sleep typing, actually..Have I got you in stitches yet??

Really, no harm meant...sorry if it wasn't funny.

[:) happybaby]

I do think that  we have certainly all had enough of this.  

Bops, your sense of humor is not apparent in your post to S.B.

S.B.  I think that Bops is just trying to "get in on this" as you put it.  She says that she doesn't enjoy it, but it is really clear that she does.  You are just adding fuel to her fire.  We all know that YOU like to say your peice and that you are very stubborn, now let it go.  Good night to you both!

[lovethebops]

good night, where did you come from??

Really, I was just kidding...

[lovethebops]

Only my good friends get to call me "bops"...just so you know :)

Where is everyones humor?...really just a joke...

[surprisebaby]

So true, I am stubborn!  Good night!  

[lovethebops]

me too!

[pertykitty]

WTF?? hmmm bops never causes conflict and maybe her sense of humor was not taken right. she said the whole time she didnt like fighting. sb you just admitted you love to fight on here. maybe you need to join a gym to get your frustrations out. while i dont mind this going on and on and on, i always love a good rumble, this has become just stupid. when you start grasping for anything and everything you can find, there is no point and its juvenile. once again, a posters question has turned into sb's attempt to make herself heard, what we are hearing i have no idea!

[surprisebaby]

Now....you are BEING FUNNY!  

[pertykitty]

maybe sb and hb are the same person. this was hb's first appearance. anyone who can say sb is right, has to be herself!! lol

[AndiJ78]

Peek's about to start working and for some reason they frown on drinking ; ) I can't quite understand why, I mean all she does is assist in delivering babies and all. Seems like that would be the job you want a little buzz going to keep things in perspective.

Well, I almost have my kitchen cabinets done. Next step is installing the hardware. I am so excited, who'd have thought things like brushed nickel knobs would get me giddy. Damn, being domesticated is a riot.
Add a baby nipping at my breast anbd we have aparty.

[pertykitty]

nice of you to show up lol. i think its time to go downbubble!! i just sit here anxiously awaiting my attack. i still have hours left of sunshine.

[lovethebops]

Now I am just tired and confuddled..is it morning yet?

where did that happy baby come from?? Perty, you may have something...

[pertykitty]

why sleep? its so over-rated lol. i have the place all to myself and well it just sucks!! i guess i could go watch some movies that have been waiting around the house for a week. im going to have a root beer float too!!!!!!! mmmmmmm  

[lovethebops]

Guess I'll leave it to you, thanks for the stick up, I'd do the same for you..;0

It's nearly 10 here, I'm exhausted and I think I am to the point where I have no Idea what is going on...Guess you won't let me blame it on the eggs this time. :)

[surprisebaby]

gimme a break?  yes, i would definitly go and tell myself to LET IT GO....but hey...that's not a bad idea...i should get a different name...right Sailorswife?  just because someone else, said something negative to "BOPS" doesn't mean it is me...we all know that you and "BOPS" are on a "FIRST NAME BASIS", and I would stick up  for my friends too.    I don't need to PRETEND to be anyone else, I am stubborn enough to be on my own...but thanks for the suggestion!  I should stop using SURPRISEBABY and come back as SOMEONE ELSE, and no one would know who I was!!!! LOL
I don't like to fight, I am just being "FUNNY".  get a sense of humour!  

[lovethebops]

OOH, Save me a float..I would take it now, but I bet it would keep me up..it is already way past my bedtime ...I think I will go take a nice relaxing bubble bath..Although I think some ppl may need that more than me.
What does my screenname have to do w/ anything anyways?..Now I am definately confused..

[pertykitty]

dont forget i was also siren of the sea. those are long gone, they are not on here nor will they ever be. sense of humor? oookkkkaaaaay. i see it at times, but you also have a different type of streak........ im off to a movie!

[:) happybaby]

You guys are being absolutely ridiculous.  None of us want to hear you carry on this conversation.  Let it go!!!! all of you!!!  Each of you is just as stubborn as the next, and you all Love to fight.
PertyKitty, I didn't know I needed a personal invitation from you to be in this forum.  I have been coming to this site for a long time, very rarely do I speak, but I read all posts, and I have posted in the past.  Sorry if you missed them.  
Ladies, lets all act a little more mature than the 12 year olds you are portraying.

[AndiJ78]

On a side note, I couldn't stand eggs while I was pg with T. Makes me gag, even now i have a hard time eating them.

We all have those pg brain issues, no worries.

SO many people have switched names on here it is hard to keep up. But there are obvious ways to tell, such as mystery person coming to the aid of someone on their first post. Or simple things like writing and syntax. Some people have a habit of never capitalizing, using all caps, or capitalizing ODD words randomly throughout a sentence. Some use five hundred commas,,,,, or at the end of a sentence rather than just putting a period, they hit return and then they start on a new line
like this.

Again, something that isn't too hard to pick up on.

[lovethebops]

thanks for your weigh in..Where did you come from again???

[lovethebops]

Signing off...and finally sleeping..

[AndiJ78]

When do they cut off the comments? Its like the song that never ends, you know the one that goes on and on my friends. You know, the one somebody started singing just because and now, well, they'll keep on singing it forever because it is the song that never ends, because it goes on and on my friends, someone started singing it ...well you know how it goes.

[:) happybaby]

I came from my mom.  I hope you can find the humor in that.  I don't want to get into this with you.  I am not surprisebaby, but you can believe what you like.  Since I have been on here, I have seen her two personalities.  She seems very caring, but then she has to always be right.  I am actually kind of tired of it.  Just wanted to put my input in.  You, just got into a conversation / fight for the sake of joining, so you are no better than her. I am going to bed now.  Good night

[pertykitty]

happybaby you are wacked. when did i ever say you needed an invo??? ive been on here for a year and never have i seen you till tonight with your vendetta against bops. she has never in my opinion been anything but caring and a friend to all ladies on here. if you want to continue to try to be the medhelp peace maker, you can start by staying out of others converstations. if you honestly cant see what sb is really like, then maybe you are one in the same. once in a while you get a person like yourself on here, stirs the pot, adds eye of newt, then lights the match..............

[Mozartcowgirl]

SHEEEESH!! wow.. well. im glad to see that through the question I posed to all..that wow.. 134 posts.. IM SO PROUD.


ALL WE ARE SAYING>> IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE..

[AnnieBrooke]

And you thought you were just a mother of 6.  Turns out you are a mother of 135-plus.  Did you ever get any sleep?  

[Mozartcowgirl]

truth be told.. i actually got the most sleep that I have ever gotten since zane was born.. which i find.. HIGHLY ironic..lol.. however.. tonight.. as you can see.. its 3:23 am.. and zane ... well.. hes happy.. listening to classical baby on TIVO.. and.. hes cooing away.  dont worry everyone who reads this.. i have tried the whole quiet thing.. the keep them in dark and quiet.. i think i rocked until i started feeling sea sick.. so.. here we are.. sucking it up..lol.. and loving every minute of it.. i am sure there will be times when i am perfectly happy eating fried eggs and rocking zane at 4 am in the morning... and.. there will be other times where i wish i had unlimited supply of xanax and a  full time nanny that LOVES staying up 45 hours a day.. lol..

ok everyone.. please dont freak about the xanax.. or the eggs..lol.

anyway.. im here if anyone wants to chat..LMAO

night.. hee hee

[grammy64]

Okay.  I read this one for two days.  QUITE entertaining.  Actually, I had a boring weekend with NO overtime, SO I thought I would chime in.  You ALL missed your calling..  SNL....where are you when we need you!!!!  

ALL the posts were good.  MOZ:  I hope you fell asleep reading all 138+....I fell asleep at 88 cuz I am old and My stamina is not what it used to be.  If anyone needs any sleep, just post what the cowgirl did, and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz-away cuz the GREAT posts and combacks are there when your eyes flutter open:

1.  How did you all learn to cook?  Cuz Mac and cheez frustrates ME!
2.  How do you find so much time?
3.  I hope Rock and Peek live close cuz they would have a GREAT time on any given weekend night discussing things with us as a fly on the wall.
And last but not least:
4.  PEEK!!!  You got people burning their T-shirt left and right!!!!!!!!!!  


I am older than all of you, work in the medical field, had six years of INFERTILITY and NEVER got PG after the original two (BRATS).  Love you all.  This forum is great (and a Godsend)....

Gram

[Crritter]

I feel so bad for you!  I'm right there and now have to go back to work full time in 2 days too.  My little guy was 9 weeks on Friday and he did get his days straightened out, but he still won't sleep for more than 2 hours at night.  I feel like a zombie too and he is formula fed, but he's just so hungry.  The Dr. said that around 2 months they go through a big growth spurt, my little guy grew    2 1/2 inches this past month, so it makes sense, but he never had good nights before, always 2 hours or less.  I would not do cereal too early because they worry about allergies, and I don't think you do juice yet either, but maybe your Dr. is okay with it.  I asked if it was normal and they said yes, some babies just need to eat more often, especially if he was a big baby at birth or is big now.  My little guy is very solid, not fat but solid and strong, almost 14 lbs.  They asswured me it should get better in a few weeks after the big growth spurt.  Till then I just try to sleep at night when I can and get him down about the same time each night.  Good luck, if anything works, let us know.  As for the pregnancy comment, I don't think it was directed at you, but it is kinda true for some.  I get tired of people that get pregnant and way before they even get prengnant they have all attention on them and then when baby gets here they have no clue what to do and are crushed when they realize it's not just buying cute stuff and getting more attention.  I know people that have gotten pregnant just for the cuteness of it, but when baby comes, the cute wears off.  They are so adorable and snuggly, but not quiet many hours of the day.  Oh well, we all figure out our kids and they make us stronger...

[anxiousmomtobe?]

Mozart, I'm not going to give any advice, you could probably write a book on newborns, just wanted to say hang in there.

Peek, thanks for sharing more about your life.  We all tend to think we are the only ones who ever have problems.  And I have been told over and over again here in Canada not to introduce solids until 6 months, so SB's doc is not the norm.  As a granola eating, cloth diapering, recycling, urban hippie type I believe in good ol' booby juice.  Yep it means nursing around the clock.  I am an expert at answering phones and emails with a baby attached to the breast.

I am now preparing myself for the newborn hell about to descend on my household.  I do remember how hard it is.  I will be returning to work immediately as I am self-employed.  Luckily my office is in our house.  Luckily my dh (works for the feds) qualifies for paternity leave.  He can take up to 12 months and I am hoping he will take 6.  My house will be a sty, we will live on take out and I will look like something the cat threw up.  But I am so excited about the impending doom, that I could cry with happiness.  Will I feel like flushing her down the toilet some late nights?  Absolutely!!  But having two kids already I know it will pass and that there will be more good days than bad.....

Now to convince my dh that he will not have time to renovate our home while he is off.....

[pertykitty]

you said it just how it is. lol.

[AndiJ78]

Sorry, I have always wanted to call someone MO and I am too lazy to type it all out. I am glad you got some sleep. Sorry for the ranting on your thread, I figured it would give you something to read should he be keeping you up,lol.

Anyway, you know it will pass. Those growth spurts were hellish. I rememeber thinking my entire breast would just all off (remember, I can oly nurse on one breast as the other one is broken) but we made it through and my fella is ever so grateful. His saving grace is that while he may be wakeful, he is generally very happy so it is all grins and giggles while he is keeping me awake. Now T wasn't quite as pleasant and i had plenty of nights I would be walking the floor aching for just 10 minutes of sleep. After 12 months of that I finally got some!!

Anyway, I am in it more to see when they will finally cut off the comments if at all. I am in complete wonderment. When I first started here we maxed at like 20 tops. Then it started increasing. Of course back then we only got 3-5 new threads a day, so posting on here was a fight!

[pertykitty]

i think i have seen them go to 200 posts. we are getting there. you know what else i did on a weekend or two when i needed sleep. i went to my parents house, they watched my son and i took a nice nap!! just that little bit helped so much. parents are so great! but that was with just one baby, having 6 might be harder lol. im addicted to this site! i will have to wean myself off before dh comes home, he wont want to compete lol. ack! something bit me!! my upper thigh has two red marks that itch!! first my girlfriend has a spider trapped in her ear, and now i have bites on me!! im not  a bug person :(

[lynne1276]

Just thought I would chime in and say hi.   I figured I would at least contribute to the 200 mark!

[lynne1276]

Just thought I would chime in and say hi.   I figured I would at least contribute to the 200 mark!

[AndiJ78]

This thread will be in the books as the most comments ever if we keep it up. Classes are done for two weeks so I have a little time on my hands ; )

[pertykitty]

we made it to at least 200 on the womens forum in the past. im frustrated tonight. i had dinner at my sis and her husbands house. he isnt the best with his parenting skills, and i dont know when i should open my mouth or just keep quiet. i wanted to take the kids and run. people shouldnt use kids as pawns in their adult squabbles. is anything decent on tv on mondays? its almost 9, i guess i should throw myself in bed. im exhausted. just talking out my kazoo to keep things moving here :) or is that wazoo??