Anyone worried over North Korea stating they wont honer the 1953 peace accords??

Today in life, with just the everyday things that are going on, there is so much to think and worry about. Then come home eat your dinner watch the evening news and bam!!!! Right in the face you hear about a crazy little nut case in North Korea, that says they are not going to honer the 1953, peace accords. They set off a nuclear bomb test and this idiot is willing to start a war.

My big Question is we have 30 to 40 thousand trrops on the DMZ, and if they do try to invade South Korea the men and women of our country there wont stand a chance. So why don't we do something about it? This man needs to be stopped, he could very well sell a nuclear device to the Islamic nuts of the world. Plus we owe to our men and South Korea to put a stop to this idiot. Now before all of you bleeding heart liberals jump all over me think about what this nut is trying to do, start a world war, he even has Russia worried.

So I had my say lets see how much I am going to get beat up, and how many agree. So have at it...peace and love to all...brian

[ILADVOCATE]

I agree with the need for that country to be stopped. And if any country declares war on us or takes aggressive action I support the need to declare war back. The problem is the consequences if one of those nuclear bombs were to be aimed at us. Or anywhere for that matter. And they have the support of China who has nuclear weapons as well. I always have concerns about countries that are opposed to us that have nuclear weapons and that's why the situation with Pakistan is so edgy. A nuclear war is not winnable. Frankly I thought after the cold war nuclear weapons would be phased out but if a country such as North Korea can't honor their end, its harder for law abiding countries to seek nuclear arms reduction. My stepfather who passed on many years ago was in the Korean war and saw active duty and in discussing it frankly I think the war should have ended with the two countries united under one democratic whole. The people of North Korea have suffered and died needlessly and if they didn't have nuclear arms and allies that did I would have no problem with their government having to step down by whatever means. They are one of the last totalitarian communist regimes left and probably will be the last to go for that reason.

[margypops]

Thank you for putting it up jollyman I wondered what had happened to our past enjoyment of Politicking ..we used to have some good old upper and downers as the Brits say..It does worry me as I think it needs us to stand up and be counted the way America used to, I think the rest of the world has realised that we have been weakened by the negativity and we are being tested to see how we react,  Clinton did come out yesterday and say it wont be tolerated.Theres also Iran of course remember the mad guy that Obama was doing the pals high five hand shake with , well turns out that he has been helping N Korea ,,,surprise surprise,,,I do think China has to get involved ..

[teko]

Do we not have a world peace organization? Same thing as with Hussein. Nobody doing nothing about him flaunting his threats. I understand he tested an underground nuke a week or so ago that caused an earthquake of 4.something? And has fired missiles since then. Iran is right there also.  I am afraid it is simply a matter of time before we have that nuclear strike somewhere in the world and our only retaliation at that time will be to nuke em right back. So, where do we go from there? Options are limited with nuclear. Gone are the days of guns and horses. Today our enemies are not afraid to die, because if they do they are gonna go to heaven and get virgins! How do you fight someone that is not afraid to die other than annihilate them?

[ILADVOCATE]

Well that's the problem with nuclear weapons is due to their radioactive effects a nuclear war would eventually destroy everything on earth. I well remember being in fear of a nuclear war as a kid. Everyone was. I was glad when the various communist regimes fell but was disappointed we didn't take stronger worldwide action to phase out nuclear weapons. The usage of unconventional weapons has been gradually phased out but the United States and Russia waited too long to eliminate the stores of the smallpox virus before we could safely rule out that the potential existed that terrorists had obtained it. So when 9-11 occured there had to be vaccinations even though the virus was technically eliminated from earth except for that one stock and the vaccinations themselves are not completely safe. As for conventional weapons such as standard missiles and guns yes if we are attacked we have the right to strike back at any time. Its just that nuclear weapons would create global damage. I was happy to see the cold war end and it was beyond depressing to see an actual war open up and as that potential existed steps should have been taken to phase out nuclear weapons before then.
   The United States and Russia are taking responsible steps but as they already exist in North Korea and nuclear material could end up in other terrorist states that they could use to build weapons with its not so easy. Gone are the days of negotiation (as ended even the Cuban missile crisis) but unlike any attack with conventional weapons on terrorists a nuclear war with its radioactive fallout is just not within potential and something all leaders have been trying to avoid since the creation of these weapons.

[jollyman069]

everyone made some very good points and thank you, i see i am not the only one concerned, and you all are right how can you wina nuclear war?  you can't but the nut over in Korea doesn't care so what are we to do??? please someonme smarter then me let me know,

[margypops]

The problem also is that Iran is doing the same thing and has come out today  threatening us saying they will continue their quest for Nuclear power,I can only assume that the US is having talks with China to get them more involved thats why they are so quiet on the issue,  I think the talks also involve Japan as Japan signed a treaty saying they wouldnt use any weapons after  wwii Nagasaki /Hyroshama (sorry about spelling)

[jollyman069]

well I truley think Iran better be worried because Israel is NOT going to allow them nuclear capabilities, they will bomb them into hell first

[Melissa0116]

So, don't we have nuclear weapons?  

I don't know what we should do but I do know that the third party talks are not working nor is the one on one.  So, maybe we need to use our power as well.  I don't know but they are just crazy in N. Korea and Iran.  I really think that they are looking to take out Isreal but then what do we do?  Not many of these countries seem to ever follow the treaties they sign.  So, we need to come up with a different strategy that actually works.  

Clinton talks a good talk but is she getting any backing by the President.  Obama doesn't seem to be all that concerned about it.  He would rather be in Las Vegas making 4 million dollars for the Democratic Party or playing Golf.  This is rather disturbing to me!

[ILADVOCATE]

Generally economic sanctions worked on North Korea. They have done this before and that usually makes them see reason. I am more concerned if they give any of these weapons to a country connected with the Taliban. They are not open to negotiation. I support Israel but not to the point where we should prioritize them over other countries and I and other Jewish people I know would agree. They are another country and they must fight their own battles. The United States does its share and we do support them as we should but we must put our country first as with any other country. I know people don't agree with everything President Obama does. I don't either. But I'm not so sure if he spends that much time as regards leisure. When George Bush was president people on the other side made the same talk then about him being on vacation all the time when action was needed and I didn't believe that aspect of why they disliked him. People may not like President Obama's actions but I do see direct action every day. Fundraisers and events like that are conducted by every leader of every political party and done to conduct media attention.

[Melissa0116]

ILADVOCATE

I agree with you that I also do not want these weapons to get in the hands of the Taliban; if they haven't already.  I also support Isreal as we should.  We also have to keep our Country safe first.  Isreal can definitely take care of themself if needed.  They definitely have the capability.  It is really up to them to decide what to do but we also need to support them as well.  Maybe not by being involved directly but at least to not condemn them when they stand up for their country.  

As far as all of the political parties doing fundraisers; that is fine and all but they are not the President and trying to recover from a recession, threat of war, Nuclear Weapons, and many other issues.  When are country is facing massive amounts of debt and then we watch them raise all this money to give to a political organization; does not make sense no matter what party the money goes to.  I do not see direct action from Obama everyday.  I see little pieces when it seems to be convenient for him or when someone brings it up too often and he has to address it, but as far as him being active; I am going to have to respectfully disagree.  He just does not have the experience to deal with these issues and that was what I was afraid of from the very start.  I am not saying Bush did everything perfectly because that would be a lie.  He caused a lot of trouble as well.  They are all too worried about their backs and not our country.  All:  meaning politician and presidents.  Maybe someday we will actually have a President that wants to do what is best for America, the American people, and our economy.  I guess until the we must wait and see.  

Respectfully,

Melissa

[ILADVOCATE]

As for issues of national security some of the members of the defense department from the Bush administration are part of the Obama administration. And President Obama did insist on military tribunals for the prisoners in Guantanamo and the democrats in the Senate are giving him a hard time about that. People might not agree with all of his stances but he does not ignore the other side nor automatically state and approve (in this matter certainly) what the political party that supported him wanted. As for what's best for America its up to Americans to get involved and speak out. That's always been a part of the democratic process. Because of what is going on and security issues we may not be party to every negotiation on this high a level as regards national security and I cannot say it should be otherwise. Here as elsewhere they have to be a means of checks and balances.

[jollyman069]

The United States better stand behind Israel no matter what, because if we don't noone will and rather then the British Israel is the best ally we have. I really don't think that Obama has the experience and the will for this problem.These people cannot be reasoned with or talked to action needs to be taken and soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[teko]

In these times, it will take us all working together to keep peace. No one man or one nation for that matter will be able to do this alone, hence the talks with Russia, Japan etc. I think we need to look at the bigger picture here.  As far as Israel goes, per the book, anyone who messes with Israel is in big dodo.  Israel has kept its restraint so far thanks to the us, however, they are getting tired of being picked at and I don't blame them. As far as what is being done by our president, I am sure behind the scene it is being dealt with. Let us remember that not everything that goes on in Washington, we are privy to, nor should we be. Otherwise there is no such thing as security of our country.  I trust the people put in place by the president to keep their eyes out and take steps accordingly.  Just cause they are not on the news every day telling us what they think is irrelevant

[margypops]

This mornings news that N Korea has sent another short range Missile and called the US and S Korea hypocrites I hope you are right those who think we should stay on the sidelines, I dont think it bodes well ,and does send a message to others like Iran that we have no real power anymore ..if we have our President doesnt feel inclined to do anything, I think out threat level has been raised .By the way it isnt really okay in this economic climate for him to be flying all over the place to rub shoulders with Hollywood, it costs a fortune for him to move out of Washington, its all politics .

[PlateletGal]

I think the Obama administration realizes that China is going to have to step up to the plate in this situation. Without a doubt, the Obama administration is working behind the scenes in dealing with this situation. Of course China is the main supplier for North Korea and supplies oil and food to the starving country. So they have more leverage in this situation and are going to have to get onboard and threaten Kim Jong II.

I don't worry about the situation, but I am concerned. What concerns me the most is that if all of these countries, including China, cut off supplies to North Korea.... then what will Kim Jong do then ? Since his country is armed with nuclear weapons, then what would stop this madman from selling that technology to Iran or other terrorist controlled coutries ?

Obviously this is a difficult situation and since our resources are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are going to have to ask other countries to step up to the plate and I believe they will.

[mikesimon]

I cannot believe the crazy criticism of Obama.
From;
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4728085.shtml

"George W. Bush is today making his final visit to Camp David as president....The planned three-day stay, during which the president is being joined by family and former and current aides, will bring his total time spent at Camp David to all or part of 487 days. Yes, that's 487 days. And Camp David is not even where the president has spent the most time when not at the White House: Knoller reports that Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there."

That's one third of his presidency spent away from the White House - did you think that was alright? What do you think that cost the US?


The truth is the US can't do anything about N. Korea without China's involvement. China supports N. Korea and without China's support N. Korea would be completely isolated and broke. If that happened there would be no food which would trigger a mass exodus from N. Korea into China and China doesn't need a huge influx of people right now.
But, if Japan and Taiwan threatened to build up their military and we proposed putting anti-missiles on the S - N. Korea border China might act in order to attempt to maintain the type of "stability" in that region they like. But, China is the key and we can only do so much. I wonder whether you preferred the bluster of our former president. I thought it unseemly and quite ineffective and probably damaging.
Iran? I detest the rhetoric of Ahmadinejad and concede that he could prove to be very dangerous if he had nuclear capabilities. But when you look at the big picture I don't think Iran has ever, in its history, invaded another country - if you don't count providing weapons to insurgents in Iraq. Iran is a country which does have real estate abd real assets to protect and a nuclear strike would assure its annihilation. I don't believe that Iran would make that choice. I worry more about Pakistan which seems to be losing control to the Taliban who don't appear to have any interest in protecting anything - even their own lives. That situation scares me more than does Iran.
Pakistan, India, N. Korea, China, France, Israel, United Kingdom, Russia and the US all have nuclear weapons but we tell Iran they can't have that capability. No, I don't like seeing them on the verge of having that weapon but I really don't like anyone having nuclear weapons. I have trouble understanding why we assume the right to dictate to another country what military capability they are allowed to have. If we really do have that right what can we do to stop them? The world is not like it was and we can't seem to control other countries like we used to be able to. We all really do see that - don't we? And it is not Obama's fault - surely we can see that clearly. I know when we're frightened we want blame someone but it really isn't that simple.
Something that occurs to me is that here we are, only 4 months into Obama's presidency and I hear people saying that he owns the economy - that he is responsible. OK, assume that 4 months in the economy is on him and N. Korea is as well and Iran too. If that's true then how can anyone not say that 911 was Bush's fault and that he bears full responsibility for those attacks? He was nearly 8 months into his presidency after all and he did have intelligence warning of an attack and yet he did nothing to protect us. It really is unbelievable that the same people who say that Bush kept us safe when we were attacked 7.5 months into his presidency can turn around and say that Obama is to blame for our economy, Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons and N. Korea's missile testing and nuclear capability only 4 months into his presidency.
I should repeat that I am not in awe of Obama and I have disagreed with several of his decisions. I do not see him as a messiah or a deity or perfect. I do see him as a reasonable man trying hard to get us out of a very difficult situation and I am willing to give him some time. Apparently many here don't see it that way.
Mike

[jollyman069]

nowhere on this post did anyone say anything about the economy so stay on what the post is about ok!!!!

and china is blocking anything the UN wants to do about North Korea so they arent going to step in, and stop the

[cowgirlnerd]

It's SO good to hear from you and read your intelligent remarks.  I have missed "discussing" with you.

One note - those that blame Obama for the economy-  Does that mean that he should be also commended on the news reports that we are about to approach recovery?  Several economist have stated that they believe that within a year we will be out of the recession and even though unemployment might continue to rise - we are close to a recovery.  SO, does he get a high five for that accomplishment?  I bet he won't.  

[mikesimon]

Hey Brian - I'll say what I want to say. You just started the thread - you don't own it.

[mikesimon]

That is very kind of you. I doubt very many members here will share your view, however. I wonder why I post sometimes but it is just so one sided that I think someone should at least try to present a different perspective.
I am hopeful Cowgirl but cautiously so. I am not smart enough to understand the complexity of our economic situation much less the global situation. But, I am an eternal optimist so I think we'll get through this - I just hope it's soon.
Mike

[margypops]

The thing that concerns me more than believing that Kim Jong is going to send nukes at us is the fact that he and Iran will be able to sell the capability /materials to other terrorist countries, I do agree that Japan ,Taiwan and China should step up to the plate.

[cowgirlnerd]

I agree - and it seems the world is in a place we have never experienced in our lifetime or even our parents!

I am thinking back to the time when we feared Russia and had actual drills at school on an attack (I don't know if that was across the country - but it was practiced in Alabama) and the fear there of the big bad Russians....  Maybe we have gotten complacent through the years and the complacency has affected our security as well as the economy.  If that is true - discussions regarding both should be encouraged in hopes of making this a better place for us all and our children (eternal optimist, too).

Glad to hear from you again!  

Rach

[cowgirlnerd]

I love the comment about messing with Israel . big dodo....that's so TEKO.  TRUE, mind you, but a very cute Teko comment.

MISS YOU!

[teko]

Why thankyou cowgirlnerd! I miss you as well!

Mikesimon!  So good to hear from you as always! Missed you as well!

[margypops]

LOL

[Melissa0116]

I thought that was cute as well Teko.  Good one.  LOL  Also very true.  

[PlateletGal]

Thank you Mike Simon, texo and cowgirlnerd. I've also found some of the criticisms about Obama to be very unfair. It's ridiculous to think that he can't be in Nevada doing his job because a madman wants attention again. His team is doing everything they possibly can and they know this man.... and how to play their cards with this psycho. And at least Obama isn't on vacation like Bush was every couple of weeks.

[April2]

I'm starting to get more worried about N.Korea. I know they've acted out before in the past but it seems like it's escalated. It feels different this time.

[margypops]

I was heartened yesterday when a General (sorry forgot his name ) came on TV news to tell us that the US would still be able to ward off any Military offensives ,a lot of people have been wondering if we were stretched too thin between Iraq and afghanistan, ,mind you I did wonder how that helped up if a Nuke was headed our way I am mostly concerned that the Nuclear capability will get into Terrorist hands , via Iran also in Pakisatn from the Taliban heading in....

[teko]

April, I am right there with you. Seems they want to start something, and soon. I know what you mean when you say, it has a different feel. And frankly it scares me.

[PlateletGal]

I agree. We have too much going on all at once. Not to blame the Bush administration, but I never agreed with Bush's decision (and plot) to invade Iraq. I can only wonder where we would be right now, had Bush decided to go after the real terrorists and invade Afghanistan instead. Unfortunately.... that happened and now we have a real mess on our hands. I just thank God that Obama is president and Bush is finally GONE.

[margypops]

We have never had so many countries all blowing off with threats at the same time, what was it Einstein said... the 4th World War will be fought with sticks and stones.....

[PlateletGal]

"We have never had so many countries all blowing off with threats at the same time"

Precisely ! The reason why this is.... the Bush administration. They have weakened our country and our economy, so now the dictators and terrorists are having a party!

[ILADVOCATE]

Look its more complex than that. The after effects of the cold war spawned a real war only the nuclear arms remained behind. As I've stated Ronald Reagan did well to fight communism but in Afghanistan in arming the then Mujahadeen to fight the communists in Afghanistan allowed them to take over and then they morphed into the Taliban. I would not blame George Bush for that but I would state when in the past we supported some dicatatorial regimes to overthrow communism they became worse fanatics. Communism was an unworkable system economically and would have collapsed in time on its own. As for Albert Einstein he was aware that some of his scientific ideas and inventions were used to build the first atomic bomb. He later regretted that. But that was in World War II to stop the Germans who we believed had the technology to build one. One event in history leads to another and basically a common saying someone told me once which is "hindsight is 20/20" applies here. The question is what do we do now.

[PlateletGal]

"but I would state when in the past we supported some dicatatorial regimes to overthrow communism they became worse fanatics."

I agree. Wasn't it our own CIA who funded and trained Bin Laden ?  It is a complex situation and that is why I'm not one of those knee-jerkers who is going to say, "blow them up". LOL ! I trust that our government is aware of the situation and knows how to diplomatically deal with these people. However, Bush's policies did put us in a checkmate position.... wouldn't you agree ? And Osama Bin Laden's dream was to destroy our economy. He didn't have to.... Bush helped him achieve that goal. (insert two thumbs down)

[teko]

Idk guys. I dont think it matters as to the whys, who, or wherefores at this point. We have a major situation on our hands and because of the technology of today, it is just a matter of time before someone pushes that button. N. Korea could be radical enough to do it. They just bait us and do their own thing.  I think I read today somewhere, where the fool is planning more missile launches and daring anyone to get in his way. I think someone needs to go in there and do a k-pow on this dude face to face. :D

Sorry! Could not help myself! Did you know according to the Bible, there will be a nuclear blast? And we are not mentioned as a power in the last days? Me scared....

[Melissa0116]

I am sorry but you all have to stop blaming Bush for every thing that happens in this administration.  When are you (most democrats) ever going to be held accountable for anything that happens?  We'll I guess when you decide to actually remind yourselves that the problems that happen in this world are not caused by one person and cannot possibly be.  So get off the highhorse and get a real argument.  One day people are just going to get tired of hearing all the excuses and say the hell with it.

Just remember who started all this economic mess to begin with DEMOCRATS (Barney Frank(who of course is out of the picture for some reason), Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, and Harry Reid.  As long as any of these politicians get what they want; who cares about the real people in America.  The ones that actually care about this country.  

I know that you will come back at me and attack but I really do not care.  I am so tired of hearing about the Inherited economy, Bush's policies and all the other **** that seems to be none of the Democrats problem.  So bring it on!  Just remember I am PREGNANT AND MY HORMONES ARE RAGING so BEWARE!

[teko]

No, I do not agree. Corporate Greed across the board, globally, is what created this mess. Whats with the Republican vs. Democrats stuff anyway? Can we not have a discussion without all the blame?

[teko]

Oh, I forgot to add.  I have not had hormones in over 15 years, sooooo bring it on! lol

[Melissa0116]

Greed comes from both sides; of course.  But, to blame Bush for all the problems is wrong.  Many politicians and Americans are to blame for the problems that we are having.  

I am sorry if you thought that I was attacking you but it was actually against the people above that continue to blame a former President who cannot possibly create all the problems that are going on.  It is a common effort.  

[teko]

No, I do not feel attacked but whether it be people bashing Obama, Bush or whoever just causes more division and we all end up angry with one another. I think the only thing that will pull us thru these hard times is unity. Our differences dont matter, we are all in this together and we had better start acting like it, or we will lose our country.

We all need broader shoulders, including me, I am right there at the top of the list. I voted Obama, and Bush and regret neither decision and unlike most. I tend to think we did our own undoing here in America. I respect your and everyones opinion, but like you, I hate the bashing, no matter who is being bashed. Sometimes I cannot help but take it personal.

[Melissa0116]

Teko,

I totally understand and I take it personal as well.  We really need to come together to put this country back to what it should be.  

[teko]

That is where we need to take a stand. Good talking with ya Melissa. Have a great eevening! :D

[margypops]

Yes we do guys so what do you think this little monster  kung hung  fung is going to do, I am 3 hours behind you in CA if any rockets whistle by your ears will you please PM me, or maybe it will be the other way round and I will Pm you as the Rckets wizz over the Pacific having  taken out Hawaii first...

[margypops]

Whoops

[Cherie762]

ohhhh boy who wants to wager on how long this post will last, seriously this whole world makes me want to cry..we will never stop all the idiots, we dont even seem to give a hoot about the entire contient of Africa,,genecide, so many children beings heads of households the high rate of aids,

the mideast wow,,enough said

so no we got major c rapola in Korea do I think they will honor the agreement , NO, I love Tekos point UNITED NATIONS not just the good ole USA and yes this concerns me deeply am I worried not yet I may be soon.

Much love to all,. we need alot more love and faith in the world

[PlateletGal]

"Just remember who started all this economic mess to begin with DEMOCRATS"

Fiction.

[Melissa0116]

Believe what you want; it was not all one person that caused all the issues.  Get over it.  And, I am sorry I mistated that; Liberals were most of the problem. Their extreme spending and greed were the real problem.  But, of course some Republicans do this as well.  So, politicians and what Teko stated; "corporate greed" are to blame.  But, I would not expect you to understand this.  You think that Bush caused this mess and if the world would end today; That would be Bush's fault as well.  I did not say that Obama was the cause of all the problems.  In fact, he came into the mess but remember he was a Senator and he was definitely aware of all the issues and he agreed to run for President and take it on.  So, as far as I and many others are concerned, he cannot blame someone else for all the issues in the economy and the world today.  He is supposed to be helping the economic crisis not adding more to it.  

[PlateletGal]

"Get over it."

There's nothing to get over, Melissa. You blame the Democrats for the recession and that is simply not true.

You are right... Obama inherited the mess we are in now. At least we agree on that. And I think he's doing a terrific job, especially given the circumstances. He gets an A+ in my book.

[ILADVOCATE]

Yes I would agree that Bush did not create this but the practices of some corporations do need to be regulated and that is one reason for what is happenning but it started before Bush. When a major company downsizes its workers and "outsources" I would not think they have much respect for American workers or America at all. I know President Obama spoke out against this but I don't know if he worked to create legislation. American profits deserve to go to Americans and be generated by American workers. In the past American workers in say an auto factory had a good job for life and within the practices of capitalist competition. Whatever company made a better product did better but the profits went to America. I would not say the United States is to blame for the global reccession but extreme practices of globalization are part of it. This can get side tracked as the reccession and economics in general are a seperate debate but when the economy takes a downturn on a global scale politics destabilize and that can't help any of this process to say the least.

[Melissa0116]

This is what Obama stated two months ago in France:

"Should North Korea decide to take this action, we will work with all interested parties in the international community to take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it can't threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity," the president said at a news conference in the French city of Strasbourg.

He said his administration has "made very clear to the North Koreans that their missile launch is provocative. It puts enormous strains on the six-party talks and that they should stop the launch."

But, the president added, "The response so far from the North Koreans has been not just unhelpful, but has resorted to the sort of language that has led to North Korea's isolation in the international community for a very long time."



We'll now it's the third missle they launched and still nothing is being done. What now President Obama?

[Melissa0116]

Plateletgirl,

I never said that he inherited this mess.  I said he came into a mess in the economy which he knew of and also was apart of as a Senator.  He voted for pork projects and in fact he had many of his own waste as well.  So, to say that he inherited it is wrong.  He came into this mess knowing good and well of what he and others voted on and passed under the former President.  So, they all caused the problems.  In fact, some senators and congress members did warn of these problems but they were ingnored and pushed to the wayside by Liberals and Republicans (not conservatives).  

Obama is going to eventually have to get some balls and deal with these issues head on.  Otherwise we will end up in World War III.  If we think that the UN and having talks and more talks with these countries that pose a threat is the only way to have peace; then we are doomed for failure.  I don't like war and would not want to see our men and women in more harm but we are letting our guard down and these countries know it.  That is why we have so many threats coming our way from these countries.  

[Melissa0116]

sorry I forgot to put in the parenthesis (not conservatives and moderate democrats).

[margypops]

I was listening to the news last evening and they put up the 8 worst things that our government is doing  with our money,
   1.   Convert the signs to miles on interstate 19.
   2.   Removal of crickets in Utah.
   3.  Landscaping of the front of the Crown Plaza Hotel.
   4.Covered garages for Bycycles.
    5.Gay Tattoo removal.
    6. Swine Odor in Ohio.
    7..New bridge in Stuart, Florida
    8. Building a bridge from michro soft .

[margypops]

Hang on to your wallets all low and middle class, we are going to have VAT, ( Value added Tax ) had it in UK ...My daughter has a friend just been diagnosed with Breast cancer ,in UK they dont do the Mamograms till 50 years old on their National Health ..sorry guys I went off subject .

[jollyman069]

I stared this thread and I saw pretty much what I thought I would see. People for some reason think Obama is some kind of rock star who can do no wrong. And if the people are that blind all I can say is God help our country...This man is trying to have goverment take over of private companies... he is spending money like there is no end too it, and you CANNOT spend your way out of a recession. He has weakened our country in the worlds eyes and don't dare any of you bleeding heart liberals say that was Bush that did thayt...so again I have had my say and I DON"T care what the liberals say ore think it was my thread and if they don't like what I wrote let them satrt there own thread...

[margypops]

I totally agree with you jollyman ,this is happening NOW, and Bush isnt our President ...OBama is ,however I do believe it will take something big  for everyone to realise what is happening...unfortunatly it will affect us all one way or another.

[Melissa0116]

Jollyman,

As you know, I totally agree.  I am glad that you put up this post.  Some just cannot see the truth and blaming someone else is the only way they feel better.  Liberals cannot take responsibility for their own problems they always seem to find some conservative to blame or a past Republican President for all the problems.  I do not think that I have heard them say that any Democrat in the Presidency has ever caused any type of problems.  That is just amazing to me that no other Democratic President has caused any issues with this country.  How freaking convenient.  When Republicans will be the first to point out their faults and past Republican President faults.  

I guess that you cannot expect any logic from bleeding liberals and I do not see any of them putting any post or thread concerning what is really happening today or what they view is happening.  So, they cannot complain when we do.  They have a right to their opinion but do not attack Jollyman or anyone for their post or views in this matter.  If you do not like it create your own post or thread so that you can control what is said and done.  

[Melissa0116]

Oh, one more thing, Why can't the other's be as kind and considerate of our views like Teko or iladvocate.  They respect our opinion without attacking us personally.  REMEMBER, RESPECT IS EARNED AND IF YOU DO NOT SHOW IT YOU CAN NOT EXPECT TO RECEIVE THE RESPECT THAT YOU ARE DESERVED.

THANKS TO TEKO AND ILADVOCATE FOR HAVING AN OPEN MIND AND LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AS WELL.  THANKS..................

[margypops]

Korea has now launched 6 missiles and another nuclear underground explosionI am going to try to find out online why no one is coming out to tell us what America is doing if only getting Japan and China on board ..I dont hear anything from our President is he not hearing.....have you guys heard anything new.?

[Melissa0116]

No, Margy, I have not heard anything at all.  Hope that they will keep us informed and do something about this sooner than later.  

[ILADVOCATE]

  Its a balance between an unregulated economy and one which restricts the freedom of private companies but with the fact that multiple businesses that were around on a large scale like auto dealerships are shutting down and putting the average American out of work I don't see much progress in either direction. As for government spending I would be for the complete elimination of pork barrel projects of any kind and if there are new expenditures in the government that will affect everyone perhaps people should be able to vote on them. I would agree about President Obama but I haven't seen any president do very well with reducing expenses although many gave promises. But that is another issue..
  As for nuclear weapons I am sorry they were invented to begin with. I well understand that the need for war occurs from time to time but a nuclear war is not winnable. If the only countries that had nuclear weapons were the various major countries that had them in the beginning all the countries would probably agree to reduce their amount until they were eliminated but once they end up in the hands of a terrorist state then its very hard to know what to do at that point. I just hope Pakistan stays on our side. Vast areas of the country are not but the government technically is but if Al-Qaeda took over there then we would have a terrorist country armed with nuclear weapons and I would say that the North Koreans if faced with a war like all people would be afraid of death but the Taliban in warfare due to their fanaticism seem to seek it. The world is more out of control than its been in a long time. Its sad because as a young person I was an optimist and I thought the global end to communism would stop the potential of a world war but as with all young people I was naive. A shame though...

[PlateletGal]

All of those things you listed were earmarks. Obama had asked senators to go through those earmarks and get rid of the ridiculous ones, but obviously that didn't happened. What you don't understand is that he didn't have a choice.... he had to pass that reform bill ASAP when he first took office. If the Bush administration had taken action when the economy was heading downhill (remember McCain said the economy was strong ? LOL!), then Obama wouldn't have needed to have acted so quickly.

[margypops]

I guess we shall have to wait and see....zzzz must be time for a cup of green tea,,,, thanks guys we didnt get too mad did we..Lol

[April2]

6 missiles just in this week! That's crazy! Why are we just sitting ducks here? Why aren't we doing anything? This is scary!

[margypops]

I dont think the missiles have the capability to reach this far I am uncertain whether they can reach Japan/China /Taiwan the maiin problem as I see it is in the fact Iran has been helping kung foo jung and whether the nuclear materials could be sold to terrorists , Iran has actually helped Iraq in the past and they found evidence of that..I am going to google to see what the nes agency is sayingt,Ii believe the Defence chief has sent a warning today to Foo Foo..

[margypops]

Wanted to let you all know in case you havent heard the news that Robert Gates defence secretary has come out and issued a statemnt on behalf of O Bama, He said and I quote'  The US will not accept N Korea as a Nuclear state '   N Korea has said the tests were done in self defence' and it was prepared to take similar measures if the Un /US moves to impos emore sanctions, At least the US is now making it fully clear that we will  stand strong. There was also news that yes, one of their missiles can reach the US  !!  

[cowgirlnerd]

Many of you know that I am a ....yes....a Liberal....or as I like to say, American.  I voted for President Obama, and never voted for President Bush.   NOW, having said that - I agree with a lot that Obama is doing - disagree with some that he is doing.  

We were originally "tested" in recent years by the first Bush.  We were "tested" again with President Bush - now we are being tested again.  Much speculation during the election was over the chance that he would be tested.  Most certainly President Obama is being "tested.

The economy s*cks - we know it - lessons learned - hopefully - on the greed of many.  

  

[margypops]

Dont know about him being tested he has done all the testing of us so far, he has said he is remaking America I would rather we were restored not remade...Once you have lived with very left wing extremes you arent keen to relive it , so far he is following in the behavior patterns he was taught to in his life,I havent seen that he has been tested,  he seems to be enjoying the American discomfiture and enjoying putting America down,to the World,  in fact all we have believed in he is going the opposite of..I guess what is true we all see it a differant way, I escaped from what I see happening here, there  is a pattern that is begining to form and an agenda .... I dont think you all get it, but I do know a few are begining to see the picture with each passing day.

[April2]

You mean about him making America a socialist country? What changes are you talking about?
Yeah, it disturbs me that he puts down America to other countries. That is not what a good leader should be doing. He should be proud to be an American not ashamed.

[PlateletGal]

"You mean about him making America a socialist country?"

Can you be specific please ?

[PlateletGal]

"he has said he is remaking America"

And I think it is wonderful ! There is nothing wrong with that comment, IMO. Our country has been sinking and sinking fast... especially on issues such as climate change, healthcare, human rights and education.

[April2]

Sorry, I was asking margypops what she meant when she said there is a pattern that is beginning to form and an agenda. I was wondering what she meant by that, if she meant that Obama is going to make American a socialist country. That's something that worries a lot of people, I know. I was just wondering exactly what she meant by the comment.

[ILADVOCATE]

I would say people would not like his agenda but his economic platform is not going so far as to literally change America into a socialist country but yes that has been of concern for some people but as much as people differ on economics on the need for America to defend itself and remain secure we would all agree. Its which battles can be realistically fought and won.

[margypops]

..If you put the word Socialism into Google or check out Europes stance and History it will give you a better explanation than I can, if you cant see the way it is going   a free for all with me , wont help you, .there is plenty of news about it I didnt make it up..England went the same way and look at the mess they are in today...we are totally following in their footsteps. It is the knell for American Capitalism...I am not willing to have a one sided battle with the liberals here.. incidently I am not a conservative Republican I was democrat now Independant.

[PlateletGal]

Our fire and police departments are a fine example of socialism.  ; ^ )

[April2]

I'm not sure what to think of socialism. I don't want the government too involved in our personal lives, I know that. I also worry about our health care if it went that way. I heard it could take a very long time to get seen and that you wouldn't be able to choose your own doctors. Not sure about that. I just know I wouldn't want it to ever get like it was in Hitler's time where one man could have that much power over the people as to almost completely wipe out one group of people. Scary stuff.

[margypops]

It is  good you are questioning it all some do not get it  .they .cannot see the wood for the trees , they will though, each day  begins to show a clearer picture, of the agenda.Honestly the best way is to listen to both sides of the issue, make your own mind up, I google differant things to get an idea,am not too fluent and I want to see what both sides have to say,, I am glad for instance that OBama  has come out ,if only through his defence Secretary and taken a hard line with N Korea, he seems to want to placate all the problem people we have in the world and the world then perceives us as weak.,we can still be strong without going the Way we went in Iraq .. England has come out and said that we should , say No to the Nationalised health care, I have relatives there waiting months for treatment and surgery.LOL I thought this thread was done......

[HelpinUtah]

Now North Korea is stating that they think they can get a missile to reach us here in the US!  Very scary!  When are we going to do something about this!?  I am so afraid that we are now perceived as weak when it comes to our defense.  So sad!  

I also want to say that we are definitely on the march toward socialism by the progressives in the government.  It is going to be a sad day when we have to show papers to go from one state to another!  We are losing our freedoms every single day!  Nationalizing car companies, banks, healthcare, etc.  Those of us who have grown up in a free capitalist society are going to be so sad when it happens.  

This country has gone from an industrial nation to a consumer nation.  We cannot pay our national debt if we do not do something to bring big business back to this country.  If Cap and Trade is allowed to begin - we will lose the rest of our large manufacturers here and then we will be no better than a third world country.  Socialism is NOT the way!  

Once healthcare is nationalized, our tax is going to increase to a point, that we will all be hurting - not just the very poor.  So sad!

[ILADVOCATE]

   Well healthcare is another debate but something everyone who is an American citizen should be entitled to. But there should be a form of graduated premium so that it doesn't burden taxpayers. Socialism in pure form is actually fading around the world. In Europe the countries that are socialist have stopped many of their socialist programs and are no longer giving people public benefits for life and have a more restrictive immigration policy. I definitely don't support the United States outsizing business but that's part of globalization where the priority is the owners of the large cooperations. Socialism would be against that as a concept but I don't support socialism. I am actually quite upset at the small busineses that keep going bankrupt. Family owned businesses that stay in business and make a profit and able to expand are part of what built America into what it is.
   But as for the focus of this discussion which is the war I would believe North Korea would have the intelligence to back down but we have to have the sense of strength to be able to insure that they don't manipulate us again. We can't make deals with them for reducing nuclear arms because this is what they turn to. They have to know (as do all countries) that the United States is to be respected and not part of their political game.

[teko]

I keep hearing that word! Socialism! Have you ever gotten food stamps? How about SSI!  Free Cheese?  I think it is called WIC!  Help with housing? I have heard not one, not ONE! complaint about those federally funded programs! Why Not?  Is that not socialism? Have you ever gone to a County Hospital and could not pay? Those are subsidised with federal money!

And as far as the nut casting missiles! Everyone knows this dude is retarded. He baits us, just like Saddam Hussein did? Does anyone remember that? He baited us, threatened us, told us he had weapons of mass destruction, and if you remember, sanctions did not work with him either nor did any of the other nations want to get involved with him either! We sure got some short memories here!

Think what you will of Bush. Or Obama.  They were both elected by Dem's, Republicans, and Independent majorities. That's a fact. And another fact is "We live in a different world and the OLD ways, obviously were not working, thus the "Remaking of America" is needed.  There! Now I feel better and shall have my tequila now!

[swampcritter]

Swampy just wants to comment on North Korea.

The US troops in South Korea are alongside South Korean military forces which have substantial capabilities. Their goal is to slow down an invasion until reinforcements arrive. North Korea does not have the military capacity to interdict US logistical and military movements. They do have the capacity to destroy Seoul.

The US needs to play its relationship with China very carefully. China won't want to interfere militarily against the US like it did in the 50s, the US is too important a trading partner for that. However, the US will need to make it clear to China that it will absorb part of the cost of caring for refugees that would be an inevitable part of the conflict.

North Korea doesn't care that their own people are starving to death, so Swampy thinks they they won't care much about the devastation of using a nuclear weapon.

[margypops]

Anyone reading this check out your news, Kim Fung Is blasting off 2 missles tonight from their coast,s,the US high Alert, Fox just said they have the capability of reaching the US ... I believe our President is out of the country again, well thats okay we have Joe Biden in control.....,

[margypops]

Het up...meant Missiles.

[teko]

Margypops

Light a candle, be not afraid. It be ok....I am sure it is being handled as we speak.

[margypops]

I know this sounds horribus but I wish someone would knock his block off, kim fong ping I mean.....

[teko]

Well, somethin tells me he is on the verge of gettin his comeupins, sooner rather than later I bet!

[margypops]

Well I am diving around for an update ...does the drive by media not consider it important...Umm

[swampcritter]

To find out the most information about North Korea, check out any Japanese news source on the internet. Japan will cover it.

[HelpinUtah]

Thanks.  I was trying to find information and wasn't able too.

[PlateletGal]

One of my favorite Japanese news websites is Japan Today.

[margypops]

yes I am going to take a look I did hear the 2 long range Missiles were going to Blast off today....Is he blustering?

[PlateletGal]

I think Kim Jong II has Napoleon Syndrome. ; ^ )   This man just wants attention and apparently, world leaders have decided not to give him the attention that he craves so badly.

[HelpinUtah]

I doubt he's bluffing.  If he ends up hitting us - it will cause world-wide mess!  

[PlateletGal]

He's threatened us before. Unfortunately, if he decides to carry out his threat this time, there is nothing we can do to prevent him from doing this. Of course he knows what the consequences will be.

I'm just wondering what happened to Lisa Lang's sister ? I wonder if she and her colleague are in one of his concentration camps or if they are dead ?

[margypops]

Either that or the Media here not reporting it, sometimes I have to get the World News from the BBC ..

[margypops]

I dont consider myself an extremely nervy person but I am being tested today in fact the whole week has been strange...so .. we are having a lot of lightening and Thunder to give me more of a sense of the Dramatic, the defence secretary has just said we are on high Alert because Al Queda has hinted in that tape that a biological weapon is imminent south of the border, MEXICO, I am 70 miles away and there all the folks there. Also remember.... Kim Poo Pong has said he is going to send 2 long range Missiles from the Coasts....so when shall I crawl under my desk ???? please stay online

[HelpinUtah]

I wonder if the world community thinks if they ignore him they will be calling his bluff and nothing will happen.  But, you are right he has a huge ego and wants control and power.  He is a sick person!  I wonder if he has become so delusional that he does not comprehend the consequences if he should send missiles this direction.  Man, these are definitely scary times.  I just pray that the Lord will take care of all of us and not just Americans but the world.

[margypops]

It has to be something like that as in the past we have the powers that be ..come out and give a dire public  warning to them, we havent had any of that recently it seems to be play it down and it'll go away..Umm am not certain if that is the way .I guess we shall see..

[ILADVOCATE]

This update seems to indicate that within North Korea there's infighting over who will be the next leader and that may be the source of this threat:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/world/asia/03korea.html
One can hope that at this time there is the potential that the leadership of that country would fall apart. That was how communism fell in other countries in the last few decades but recently I've learned with world events not to be too optimistic but we shall see.

[swampcritter]

Dictatorial regimes are funny, they hold near perfect control over the country and then it suddenly implodes.