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British TV Will Show Assisted Suicide
Okay I read this story the guy had LG. He stated he would rather die a quick death rather than a long and painful one.
I have told my wife a long time ago if I am on a machine and I dont have much of a chance unplug it there is no need to make a Dr rich.
So my question is if you found out you were dieing from a disease that has no cure and you got to the point someone was having to take care of you would you want to do yourself in???
I would just for the fact I really dont want a painful death I would assume to go in my sleep but we dont get to pick what we may die of I guess it just happens.
I have told my wife a long time ago if I am on a machine and I dont have much of a chance unplug it there is no need to make a Dr rich.
So my question is if you found out you were dieing from a disease that has no cure and you got to the point someone was having to take care of you would you want to do yourself in???
I would just for the fact I really dont want a painful death I would assume to go in my sleep but we dont get to pick what we may die of I guess it just happens.
Look for our family it was a tough decision when our pet cat was at the end of her life but it had to happen because she was in severe pain and had end stage cancer. I feel less comfortable with the idea of euthanasia in people especially when a person is referred to as a "vegetable". A person remains a person throughout their life regardless of functioning. I had older relatives who were ignorant refer to a cousin of mine with Rett's Syndrome, a severe developmental disability who can't verbally communicate but understands things with that term and I had to educate them not to.
As to a person who genuinely has lost all brain activity and is clinically "brain dead" at that point most people would disconnect their respirator as I said. When its a feeding tube that's an issue because they will feel the sense of dehydration or malnutrition. The best idea as I said is an "advanced directive" so we know exactly what the person would have wanted, either way. As for helping them along in some way when they are functional it remains a problem of where to draw the line. A physician actively injecting them with something that will kill them is not something I could accept and is not allowed in Oregon or Washington. As for giving them enough prescriptions to end their life, that still remains complex.
I think the Pain Management Act if passed would have allowed the person to have enough medications as to not experience the severe pain that we are discussing and probably considering the effects of those it would have hastened the end of their life. I'm not sure why considering the support for physician assisted suicide that never passed because a person shouldn't have to be in severe pain at the end of their life whether they want to live or die regardless and doctors shouldn't be afraid to prescribe them what they need.
As to a person who genuinely has lost all brain activity and is clinically "brain dead" at that point most people would disconnect their respirator as I said. When its a feeding tube that's an issue because they will feel the sense of dehydration or malnutrition. The best idea as I said is an "advanced directive" so we know exactly what the person would have wanted, either way. As for helping them along in some way when they are functional it remains a problem of where to draw the line. A physician actively injecting them with something that will kill them is not something I could accept and is not allowed in Oregon or Washington. As for giving them enough prescriptions to end their life, that still remains complex.
I think the Pain Management Act if passed would have allowed the person to have enough medications as to not experience the severe pain that we are discussing and probably considering the effects of those it would have hastened the end of their life. I'm not sure why considering the support for physician assisted suicide that never passed because a person shouldn't have to be in severe pain at the end of their life whether they want to live or die regardless and doctors shouldn't be afraid to prescribe them what they need.
That's why I feel so uncertain about the matter of taking an animal's life, even if it is time to go. These are some really tough questions and I'm glad you posted.
Your comments are welcome here.
I'm saying though what I've seen in other communities about animals and pets.
Your comments are welcome here.
I'm saying though what I've seen in other communities about animals and pets.
MJ - I don't consider euthanizing an animal to be "morally right". Some people do it without thinking. As a Native person, I waited for my cat to "tell me" (I believe animals can communicate) before euthanizing him. He wanted to go - just like some people want to go. After it was done, I felt like a murderer. Who am I to decide when to euthanize him.
Interesting as this thread is, I did my dissertation on a similar topic and find I can't comment without feeling like a nerd and looking for references and precedents so I'm gone - to the joy and delight of ....
Interesting as this thread is, I did my dissertation on a similar topic and find I can't comment without feeling like a nerd and looking for references and precedents so I'm gone - to the joy and delight of ....
I understand the pain of the experience you are describing but I don't think Dr. Kevorkian would have been the one that could have brought your father out of that pain. He is not on a humanistic mission if you read what I said in that the majority of the lives of people he ended had clinical depression. I do agree your father should have had the right to end his life at that point as should anyone. I think that allowing a person to do so is certainly within reason and their choice though a hospice is a good choice as well and there should be no restrictions on pain medication for people at the end of their life even if it hastens it but laws about that were voted down by legislators.
It is a person's right if their life declines to that point to take their life and physician assisted suicide is a step further but one of concern but active euthanasia is not something we want to return to. If you look up the history of the euthanasia movement and when it was allowed and why it was made illegal you would see why. I'm sure there's a compromise in between and if the Pain Management Bill had been passed then doctors would not have worried about arrests for neccessary pain relieving medications for people at the end of their life and yes it might have taken some people closer to death but that was their choice. I think that's a law any supporters of this could all agree on whatever we disagree on the rest and it should have been passed.
It is a person's right if their life declines to that point to take their life and physician assisted suicide is a step further but one of concern but active euthanasia is not something we want to return to. If you look up the history of the euthanasia movement and when it was allowed and why it was made illegal you would see why. I'm sure there's a compromise in between and if the Pain Management Bill had been passed then doctors would not have worried about arrests for neccessary pain relieving medications for people at the end of their life and yes it might have taken some people closer to death but that was their choice. I think that's a law any supporters of this could all agree on whatever we disagree on the rest and it should have been passed.
Ending one life is never easy. I was just in a situation where my dad was on life support. He was on it for awhile until his wife was able to find his legal papers that said do not resusitate.. It was so hard to watch him suffer, yet we were so upset that his wife could not wait for all us to get a flight out in time, so she pulled the plug. Never got to say goodbye. I had talked to my dad just a few hours before his passing. So I was lucky in that sense, but my brothers never got the chance. Though everyone is upset with not holding off waiting for his children to arrive, in a way, it was a blessing. His organs were shutting down, he could no longer function. I've watched him over the years, just waiting for the time to come. It was hard to travel back and forth by plane, sometimes drove for 24 hours. He is resting in peace now. He never got his dual transplant, never got to see his children before he died. With spending the past 3 yrs. in the hospital, the quality of life was not there anymore. The pain he suffered. I wish that on no one. I believe it should be ones choice on how to end their suffering. I don't know how he went so long, his body swelling, kidneys shutting down, liver failing, pancreas and finally his heart. How I wished we had Dr. Kovorkian. He was in just so much pain. It was hard to watch. I just would not air it on t.v. That is a private matter and it should be kept between the patient and family. Though who knows, because I do support it, I may change my mind about the t.v. part.
Thank you for explaining the context. That makes more sense now, but still I have lots to ponder over with the concept. It's not one to be taken lightly.
Suicide in Australia and Great Britain was also considered illegal. The laws have been modified somewhat now so that in the event a person who tried to commit suicide and did not succeed could be taken into custody and give the proper medical assistance they need to help them. (Just as you wrote in your thread regarding the laws in the US).
But a person committing suicide because of depression or such is an entirely different scenario to what is being called "Assisted Suicide". That is illegal in Australia and Great Britain. If the wife had of helped her husband in either of these two countries she would with out a doubt be arrested and charged with a crime. Going by recent events, there is also little doubt that she would serve jail time.
That is the reason why she and her husband left the UK and went abroad to a country that did not deem it illegal. When she returns to the UK she can not be charged with a crime because she did not commit one there. Though that's not to say they may not try.
Essentially that was the reason the video tape was made. It was meant to show that "Assisted Suicide" was a peaceful way to end ones life when there is no hope. There is more to the video, actually it is a full documentary of the man and what he has gone through and how he came to the very difficult decision he did. There is also interviews with doctors and specialist's that confirm his condition will only deteriorate until he is in a totally vegetable state. Ultimately, it was made to help persuade government to change the laws.
But of course, as with most things the media aired and viewed it out of its full context.
Someone wrote earlier on this thread, something to the effect of "making this video was disgusting". The actual reason for the video is far from disgusting. What is disgusting is how the media made it into something it wasn't.
What needs to be remembered is, the Real reason people want Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia made legal. And it certainly isn't to enable perfectly healthy people to end their life just because they are having a bad day or those suffering from depression or any other such illness. It is intended for those that need it and make that choice if and when a choice needs to be made.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't need such laws but we don't live in a perfect world. But I would hope that we still live in a world with compassion and I hope that when it is time, I am extended that compassion.
But a person committing suicide because of depression or such is an entirely different scenario to what is being called "Assisted Suicide". That is illegal in Australia and Great Britain. If the wife had of helped her husband in either of these two countries she would with out a doubt be arrested and charged with a crime. Going by recent events, there is also little doubt that she would serve jail time.
That is the reason why she and her husband left the UK and went abroad to a country that did not deem it illegal. When she returns to the UK she can not be charged with a crime because she did not commit one there. Though that's not to say they may not try.
Essentially that was the reason the video tape was made. It was meant to show that "Assisted Suicide" was a peaceful way to end ones life when there is no hope. There is more to the video, actually it is a full documentary of the man and what he has gone through and how he came to the very difficult decision he did. There is also interviews with doctors and specialist's that confirm his condition will only deteriorate until he is in a totally vegetable state. Ultimately, it was made to help persuade government to change the laws.
But of course, as with most things the media aired and viewed it out of its full context.
Someone wrote earlier on this thread, something to the effect of "making this video was disgusting". The actual reason for the video is far from disgusting. What is disgusting is how the media made it into something it wasn't.
What needs to be remembered is, the Real reason people want Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia made legal. And it certainly isn't to enable perfectly healthy people to end their life just because they are having a bad day or those suffering from depression or any other such illness. It is intended for those that need it and make that choice if and when a choice needs to be made.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't need such laws but we don't live in a perfect world. But I would hope that we still live in a world with compassion and I hope that when it is time, I am extended that compassion.
Another question that comes to mind and I can see it going either way. I don't really have a point or any motive for asking this question, other than I notice different ideology:
When a pet gets seriously ill and can't live a life without suffering and pain, it is considered okay to euthanaze the pet. It’s praised by pet owners to be morally right.
If it's a human doing the suffering then it's a bit different.
As far was where my opinion on this whole thing. I don’t know... I still believe life is something to be valued as much as possible. My religion and culture put emphasis on how valuable life is, but on the same token I haven’t suffered the extreme pain and suffering someone terminally ill has. Given the choice to die would likely be a far easier decision if I was put in that circumstance. But still if it were made legal and acceptable, imagine what government could do to corrupt it....
When a pet gets seriously ill and can't live a life without suffering and pain, it is considered okay to euthanaze the pet. It’s praised by pet owners to be morally right.
If it's a human doing the suffering then it's a bit different.
As far was where my opinion on this whole thing. I don’t know... I still believe life is something to be valued as much as possible. My religion and culture put emphasis on how valuable life is, but on the same token I haven’t suffered the extreme pain and suffering someone terminally ill has. Given the choice to die would likely be a far easier decision if I was put in that circumstance. But still if it were made legal and acceptable, imagine what government could do to corrupt it....
Recently, I saw a documentary about a woman with ALS. She made the decision to "self euthanize". Sorry but I don't consider a person choosing to end their life as necessarily being suicide. This woman went through all the suffering a person with ALS goes through - her mind was aware that her body was no longer working. When she reached a point at which death was imminent she had a dr "euthanize" her by injection.
Was she a coward or a brave woman - I don't know. What the documentary portrayed was a woman who made her own decision to end her own life. Was the documentary slanted in a particular way? Probably. Would I do what this woman did. I don't know. It is frightening to think that someone could have the control to end our lives when we became "inconvenient" but it is also in a perverse way good to know that if we can't deal with horrific diseases like ALS that we have a choice. I doubt we could make it alone and would need to justify it in some way. This doesn't even begin to address the moral aspect that different cultural and religious groups would have.
This isn't the governmental context that MJ is addressing; it's the individual one. There was a movie which I can't remember the name of in which a tidal wave was going to hit the USA and wipe out almost everybody. Who did the government decide to sacrifice? Everyone over the age of 50 with certain exceptions. Now THAT is frightening. But I digress.
Was she a coward or a brave woman - I don't know. What the documentary portrayed was a woman who made her own decision to end her own life. Was the documentary slanted in a particular way? Probably. Would I do what this woman did. I don't know. It is frightening to think that someone could have the control to end our lives when we became "inconvenient" but it is also in a perverse way good to know that if we can't deal with horrific diseases like ALS that we have a choice. I doubt we could make it alone and would need to justify it in some way. This doesn't even begin to address the moral aspect that different cultural and religious groups would have.
This isn't the governmental context that MJ is addressing; it's the individual one. There was a movie which I can't remember the name of in which a tidal wave was going to hit the USA and wipe out almost everybody. Who did the government decide to sacrifice? Everyone over the age of 50 with certain exceptions. Now THAT is frightening. But I digress.
Sure is scary... Makes me wonder what ever happened to the true concept of democracy. Nor do I think it should be up to one person to decide what wars we fight with countries that weren't really our enemies...
That book shows government/society at its worst. They have one person who is trusted with all the memories of the past to keep people from having to remember history. People feel no pain, and there is no suffering, but there is also no joy, no true feelings, and no true life as we know it. A bit of fantasy maybe, but certainly not a good way that things are heading.
That book shows government/society at its worst. They have one person who is trusted with all the memories of the past to keep people from having to remember history. People feel no pain, and there is no suffering, but there is also no joy, no true feelings, and no true life as we know it. A bit of fantasy maybe, but certainly not a good way that things are heading.
I agree burpatch
You got it dude!!!!
Yes, excellent MJI. That's exactly the way I view "The State". lol !! My new name for them .... "The Giver"....... from the cradle to the grave. Give them the power to deem who dies and you risk corruption. No, you ensure it !! Absolute power corrupts absolutely. ...and the ability to have a say in who dies is power at its most absolute !! lol ... don't mind me folks, I want the ability to choose when I've had enough suffering. I just don't think the clowns in Washingtoon should have any say in it !! Screw 'em... Free the people !! Viva Revolution !! lol
... Burrrrrpatch
... Burrrrrpatch
Your post reminded me of a book I read. The Giver by Lois Lowry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giver
Has anyone read that story? I don't want to spoil it, but peopel wouldn't get very old before they'd be "released". If a baby was born with some kind of defect or a twin, it'd be "released". If someone committed a crime, they'd be "released".
In The Giver, they also took away things supposidly unimportant like animals, the ability to see color, feel love, and what not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giver
Has anyone read that story? I don't want to spoil it, but peopel wouldn't get very old before they'd be "released". If a baby was born with some kind of defect or a twin, it'd be "released". If someone committed a crime, they'd be "released".
In The Giver, they also took away things supposidly unimportant like animals, the ability to see color, feel love, and what not.
Hmmmmm...Whenever this subject comes up, I start to think of the 1973 Movie "Soylent Green" with Charlton Heston. I remember being horrified as an old and depressed Edward G. Robinson (who played Heston's dad) calmly walked into a nice air conditioned government building, greeted the pretty nurse on duty and after signing his name was shown to a comfortable room. They put him in a nice clean bed and asked him what his favorite color was. "Orange", he replied. Favorite Music ? "Classical", he said with a wry grin. They hooked him to a machine (I think) and quietly left the room. The room took on an orange glow and classical music started to play as a wide screen in front of him showed image's of deer playing in the forest, waterfalls and other earthly beauty's as he comfortably slipped away ..........
I've heard different stories. For some people with terminal illnesses, they ride it through the end and remain optimistic. For others, it's nothing but agony and torture.
okay,,,cleared up, suicide in no longer illegal. It was a silly law to begin with. Anyone who;s at that despereat and hopeless moment wasn't going to take the law into consideration.
BUT the part of it being illegal which was a benefit is that it made involentary hospitalization easier. When the cops show up to bring you to the hospital because you're threatning to kill yoursel..there's no if ands or but's about it. Your going.
They can still do that regardless of the legal law. If someone is suicial they have no choice but to be hospitalized at least for a hold to be watched for 72 hours.
But my saying it was a silly law doesn't mean I agree that people should be able to kill themselves whenever for whatever reason.
Suicide can be the result of many mental illnesses and for snap judgement emotions that seem too overwhelming to have to keep living through.
Suicide is never the answer. Suicide is acceptable IMHO when someone has reached the end of their life and the suffering is a suffering that none of us can possibly understand.
To me that's not suicide. It's someone deciding how they would like to go at the end. They could either suffer physically until their last breath pr they can fall asleep peacefullty and feel they were able to keep their dignity.
It's a personal choice. Many have choosed to live naturally until the end and I'm sure more than we know have not and took the time and date into their own hands.
It's heartbreaking either way. But to me not immoral or sinful
BUT the part of it being illegal which was a benefit is that it made involentary hospitalization easier. When the cops show up to bring you to the hospital because you're threatning to kill yoursel..there's no if ands or but's about it. Your going.
They can still do that regardless of the legal law. If someone is suicial they have no choice but to be hospitalized at least for a hold to be watched for 72 hours.
But my saying it was a silly law doesn't mean I agree that people should be able to kill themselves whenever for whatever reason.
Suicide can be the result of many mental illnesses and for snap judgement emotions that seem too overwhelming to have to keep living through.
Suicide is never the answer. Suicide is acceptable IMHO when someone has reached the end of their life and the suffering is a suffering that none of us can possibly understand.
To me that's not suicide. It's someone deciding how they would like to go at the end. They could either suffer physically until their last breath pr they can fall asleep peacefullty and feel they were able to keep their dignity.
It's a personal choice. Many have choosed to live naturally until the end and I'm sure more than we know have not and took the time and date into their own hands.
It's heartbreaking either way. But to me not immoral or sinful
LOL, I think it's funny too! But what it really means is that if you attempt suicide and fail you then have broke the law. But mainly they would be put into a psychiatric facility to watch over them and get them some help.
Maybe they would decide to give the person a fine or something like that..I don't know about that end of ot legally. But I dount there would be any jail time:)
I'm pretty sure it's still illegal...Maybe the law has changed?? I always found it to be a strange law to make as if that's going to be a deciding factor if someone really wants to end their lives.
It must not be in the UK though or else they would arrest the person assisting the mans death?? Maybe..who knows I'm confusing myself, LOL
Maybe they would decide to give the person a fine or something like that..I don't know about that end of ot legally. But I dount there would be any jail time:)
I'm pretty sure it's still illegal...Maybe the law has changed?? I always found it to be a strange law to make as if that's going to be a deciding factor if someone really wants to end their lives.
It must not be in the UK though or else they would arrest the person assisting the mans death?? Maybe..who knows I'm confusing myself, LOL
I agree with you 120%! But, what in the world did you mean by
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"Suicide is still illegal, it's a crime to kil yourself and I agree with that"
No intention of being evil or nasty, but that comment made me laugh! I don't get that statement at all. How is suicide illegal????? What I'm getting from this, is that if you KILL yourself you are breaking the law???? Does that mean that you will be arrested and jailed for life or given the death penalty?
-direct quote-
"Suicide is still illegal, it's a crime to kil yourself and I agree with that"
No intention of being evil or nasty, but that comment made me laugh! I don't get that statement at all. How is suicide illegal????? What I'm getting from this, is that if you KILL yourself you are breaking the law???? Does that mean that you will be arrested and jailed for life or given the death penalty?
AMEN!!!
Okay enough enough you guys can say all you want to. When its you (not someone else) That has been told you are going to die thats when the shoe is on the other foot! Dont tell me you wont find god and let him in your heart if hes not there so that you will be saved!
Who wants to lay there and suffer and take chemo or 80 pills a day just to fight something that has no cure? Plus think of all the pain and suffering involved in the final stages. What if you are a vegetable? Do you want to just lay there? What would be the point?
I want a fast death if I know I am dieing I will say my goodbyes to my family. I will make it clear I dont want to suffer!I will make it clear I dont want to be on a machine that keeps me alive! I will make it clear not to shed tears about my decision! I will make it clear to remember the good times we had!!!! I will make it clear to respect my decision and not try and override it!!
When God reaches down and puts his hand on my right shoulder there is no Dr in this world that can SAVE me!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to lay there and suffer and take chemo or 80 pills a day just to fight something that has no cure? Plus think of all the pain and suffering involved in the final stages. What if you are a vegetable? Do you want to just lay there? What would be the point?
I want a fast death if I know I am dieing I will say my goodbyes to my family. I will make it clear I dont want to suffer!I will make it clear I dont want to be on a machine that keeps me alive! I will make it clear not to shed tears about my decision! I will make it clear to remember the good times we had!!!! I will make it clear to respect my decision and not try and override it!!
When God reaches down and puts his hand on my right shoulder there is no Dr in this world that can SAVE me!!!!!!!!!!
I think its important that it be clarified. Suicide is not illegal anymore. Physician assisted suicide is but not in Oregon and now Washington. People who try to commit suicide are usually hospitalized. You've probably dealt with people like that as a psychologist or at least after they were hospitalized. If its part of depression or bpd its not a rational act. If a person were on the proper medication they would never have done it to begin with.
The only thing I find immoral is when someone actively promotes the idea as the right choice. People should make up their own mind and when they are not in a state of depression or anything else that would affect their judgement. Or when people are sympathetic to cases of "mercy killing". I think its merciless. There have been times someone killed their severely disabled child "out of sympathy" and its still an act of murder regardless and I don't think that was the real motive. As for this case, I let the disability advocacy group I am on know about it and I'm following the links but its done already. The man didn't commit suicide in Britain. He committed suicide in Switzerland and I believe their law goes so much further than the ones in Washington or Oregon (that the group opposes but I'll respect people's opinions on here) that its euthanasia. And I can't agree with that. And I don't think most medical professionals here would either.
The only thing I find immoral is when someone actively promotes the idea as the right choice. People should make up their own mind and when they are not in a state of depression or anything else that would affect their judgement. Or when people are sympathetic to cases of "mercy killing". I think its merciless. There have been times someone killed their severely disabled child "out of sympathy" and its still an act of murder regardless and I don't think that was the real motive. As for this case, I let the disability advocacy group I am on know about it and I'm following the links but its done already. The man didn't commit suicide in Britain. He committed suicide in Switzerland and I believe their law goes so much further than the ones in Washington or Oregon (that the group opposes but I'll respect people's opinions on here) that its euthanasia. And I can't agree with that. And I don't think most medical professionals here would either.
My opinion is based more on having a terrible illness which is completely untreatable and will end in inevetable death after physically suffering to an extent none of us could understand.
Not about suicide when there is medical treatment still left or nursing homes. Suicide isn't a free "whever I feel like it opition".
But of someone has come to the end of their life without question and feels it will bring them some dignity who am I to say it's wrong.
I struggle everday from pain and some days am stuck laying on the couch unable to get up and participate in the outside world. That's hard enough, bit doable because I know there are medicines and treatments left for me.
If I knew I had one year left to live and there were no medicines to even touch the pain and I had to struggle to breath everyday...I might just feel it was time to free myself.
But I can't sat for sure. I can only say what it's like for my physical suffering and know for someone that's close to dying with no more options to even live the rest comfortably..well, that has to be a suffering none of us can even comprehend realisticly.
Suicide is still illegal, it's a crime to kil yourself and I agree with that..unless your time on this earth has come to an end on it's own physically. Whether two months left or tonight...if someone feels it's better one way or the other who are we to tell them it's not.
I've heard you don't go to heaven when you kill yourself. But I truely believe that applies to those who kill themselves out of anger and manipulation and Selfishness. Like for instance, your signifigant other leaves so your going to show them what they've done by leaving...
But I don't believe God condems those who've suffered unspeakable amounts if they feel it's time to go home to him. Maybe they get a shake of the head from him...But I don't believe he'll throw ya into the depths of hell for it.
Heck if I didn't believe that then I'd have to live with believing my sister was codemed to an eternity of suffering. She already did that here. I don't agree with what she did. But now that it's done I can't keep punishing her memory or myself by condeming her for it. And if she found it too impossible to go on I can't even imagine what it's like to add unspeakable physical suffering to that.
Not about suicide when there is medical treatment still left or nursing homes. Suicide isn't a free "whever I feel like it opition".
But of someone has come to the end of their life without question and feels it will bring them some dignity who am I to say it's wrong.
I struggle everday from pain and some days am stuck laying on the couch unable to get up and participate in the outside world. That's hard enough, bit doable because I know there are medicines and treatments left for me.
If I knew I had one year left to live and there were no medicines to even touch the pain and I had to struggle to breath everyday...I might just feel it was time to free myself.
But I can't sat for sure. I can only say what it's like for my physical suffering and know for someone that's close to dying with no more options to even live the rest comfortably..well, that has to be a suffering none of us can even comprehend realisticly.
Suicide is still illegal, it's a crime to kil yourself and I agree with that..unless your time on this earth has come to an end on it's own physically. Whether two months left or tonight...if someone feels it's better one way or the other who are we to tell them it's not.
I've heard you don't go to heaven when you kill yourself. But I truely believe that applies to those who kill themselves out of anger and manipulation and Selfishness. Like for instance, your signifigant other leaves so your going to show them what they've done by leaving...
But I don't believe God condems those who've suffered unspeakable amounts if they feel it's time to go home to him. Maybe they get a shake of the head from him...But I don't believe he'll throw ya into the depths of hell for it.
Heck if I didn't believe that then I'd have to live with believing my sister was codemed to an eternity of suffering. She already did that here. I don't agree with what she did. But now that it's done I can't keep punishing her memory or myself by condeming her for it. And if she found it too impossible to go on I can't even imagine what it's like to add unspeakable physical suffering to that.
I certainly wouldn't say that all nursing homes are abusive or that all family members who have relatives in a nursing home are doing the wrong thing. I was more speaking about older people who could live at home or especially younger people such as a former co-worker who had quadroplegia and was almost complete paralyzed from an accident and was in his 30's and was in a long term extended care facility at the beginning from what he told us and they intended to keep him there but he with assistance left and worked as the financial manager for the place and with modifications drove a van and also raised a family. There will always be people who can't live in the community. I was concerned for the ones who can. Actually an elderly aunt and uncle of mine live in an assisted living facility together and they made that decision and they are happy there. But they have to pay out of pocket which they can afford with their savings. I visited the place. Its very nice and well run. But the ones that are funded with government money may not be. I've visited some as well. As I said there will always be people who can't live in the community and wherever they are, family members who are supportive. That's the important thing.
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Herpes sores blister, then burst, scab and heal.
Herpes spreads by oral, vaginal and anal sex.
STIs are the most common cause of genital sores.
Condoms are the most effective way to prevent HIV and STDs.
PrEP is used by people with high risk to prevent HIV infection.
