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How do you all feel how President Obama has been with other leaders of world
I really would like to see from you all here, what you all think of how President Obama has protrayed, our country to foriegn leaders of the world? Personally i think he really has hurt our country by being, overly nice to the Cuban heads of state, and Chavez. I am sorry if i am insulting anyone but why would the President of our country bow to a king of Aribia. I really dont think our president should bow ro anyone? Just my thoughts please give me yours
I knew you'd notice that one has a Russian ring to it dont you think,.....You got it Melissa she is ...her nose is getting longer I think they'll have to toss her out...shame .
It would be really hard to decide what to do now. I am not sure if what was done was correct and if there were violations (those photos were depicting willful acts of abuse and sadism that went far beyond waterboarding and many were not in the course of investigations) what should be done but the problem is to release them would be to betray the confidence of American soldiers. So under the Freedom of Information Act if they are officially withdrawn it would take 20 years. The difficulty is as I stated there is no clear enemy. In World War II no matter how evil the other side was you knew who they were. And once the war was over they all surrendered. Al-Qaeda is not like that and their ideology can take root anywhere. It will be very hard to eliminate them entirely as anyone can pick up their ideas and act on them and take over a portion of a country. There are no easy solutions except to contain them where they are most active and defeat them there. A country that is economically prosperous and politically stable will not descend to fanaticism but in a reccession there is not much economic aid to go around. Ultimately, I like everyone else, would want what is best for America and that the troops be used wisely and that people support them. Other than that I can honestly say the topic brings up more questions than answers because there are no easy ones.
I still have not heard anyone suggest what to do to get the information out of the terrorists. So, we can argue or discuss this point all we want but still I have not heard any solutions.
Jd, Oh, I do get it. The problem is that since I do not agree with you; I am wrong. We'll that is your opinion and I gave you mine. I respect your opinion but I do not agree. If my family member was one of the terrorists then they deserve to be waterboarded or whatever other method is needed to get the info. out of them. And, noone really knows if this works since we are not releasing those reports. How convenient!
margy, As far as Pelosi; she is the most annoying, obnoxious, liar in the House. Besides, the other complete liar that we have not heard from since the suicide of Freddie Mac's CFO. Oh, that would be Elmer Fudd aka Barney Frank. It is amazing to me that Speaker of the House, Pelosi, was not briefed considering she is 3rd in command. We'll she will never be held accountable since most members of congress get away with lying all the time. I would like to find just one that actually tells the truth. I really think that would be impossible to find.
Jd, Oh, I do get it. The problem is that since I do not agree with you; I am wrong. We'll that is your opinion and I gave you mine. I respect your opinion but I do not agree. If my family member was one of the terrorists then they deserve to be waterboarded or whatever other method is needed to get the info. out of them. And, noone really knows if this works since we are not releasing those reports. How convenient!
margy, As far as Pelosi; she is the most annoying, obnoxious, liar in the House. Besides, the other complete liar that we have not heard from since the suicide of Freddie Mac's CFO. Oh, that would be Elmer Fudd aka Barney Frank. It is amazing to me that Speaker of the House, Pelosi, was not briefed considering she is 3rd in command. We'll she will never be held accountable since most members of congress get away with lying all the time. I would like to find just one that actually tells the truth. I really think that would be impossible to find.
Now she's Polish. Good job Pops
Oh ho .....this thread got pulled back up again,I would like to see Ms Poloski tell the truth that she knew about the Water boarding issue.At least the other supposed abuse pics arent going to be dragged out now, O Bama flip flopped on that one or someone close to him told him it would be better to play it down , however it has gone around the world already without the pics and abroad they are asking what have we to hide not showing them...
Well the one thing is that waterboarding or other forms of coercion whether they are defined as torture or not have been shown not to work. A person can and will confess anything to stop it but what they confess may be of no meaning. The other difficulty is that it makes complete sense to shoot to kill a suicide bomber but the Taliban use people on the front lines who are completely defenseless such as children or people who have a developmental disability. And hide bombs and Taliban soldiers in villages. Its hard to know what's the right thing to do. And yes then America does get wrongly blamed for what are targets are.
I would say one thing for sure is that we have to crack down on Pakistan as regards the Madrassahs. Those are supposedly schools but are training grounds for children to grow up to be fanatics and many are then directly recruited into the Taliban. Ultimately Pakistan and Afghanistan have to cooperate with us and not just the leaders but the communities as a whole or in allowing the Taliban to collect recruits they are only destroying themselves. I certainly as I posted did not like the idea of negotiating with the "moderate" wing of the Taliban. That's an oxymoron and we should by no means capitulate to any of them.
I would say one thing for sure is that we have to crack down on Pakistan as regards the Madrassahs. Those are supposedly schools but are training grounds for children to grow up to be fanatics and many are then directly recruited into the Taliban. Ultimately Pakistan and Afghanistan have to cooperate with us and not just the leaders but the communities as a whole or in allowing the Taliban to collect recruits they are only destroying themselves. I certainly as I posted did not like the idea of negotiating with the "moderate" wing of the Taliban. That's an oxymoron and we should by no means capitulate to any of them.
I understand your point of view, but it goes the other way too does it not? Where will you hide when the terrorists come and capture you - are they going to honor those treaties - I think not! Terrorists are evil and tortue people every single day. This is not a war against a country where we have treaties and international policies about how we conduct war. I could understand if we were in a war with another country who all agreed to honor these policies. However, terrorists do not honor the law of any country! That is why I see our dealing with terrorists on a totally different level. We are NOT at war with another country - just the terrorists who choose to disregard law, chop off peoples head with dull knives, etc.
Melissa, you just don't get it. If there are circumstances that justify doing that to someone else, than someone can justify doing that to you and your loved ones. Where will you hide when the wind changes?
I guess you forgot that we did catch many others that were involved with 9/11 and also Saddam Hussein. But many people seem to forget that. It may be torture but their was no other choice. What do you suppose they do to get the information out of them?
RE: Waterboarding
I was thrilled to see Governor Jesse Ventura (you know... the former wrestler and ex Navy Seals Veteran) speak out against waterboarding on The Larry King show tonight. Why does Mr. Ventura's opinion matter to me so much ? Because he's had it done before and it IS torture. And like he said, these accused terrorists will make up lies just to get them to stop... waterboarding does not get the truth out of terrorists. If it did, then Bin Laden would have been captured by now.
I was thrilled to see Governor Jesse Ventura (you know... the former wrestler and ex Navy Seals Veteran) speak out against waterboarding on The Larry King show tonight. Why does Mr. Ventura's opinion matter to me so much ? Because he's had it done before and it IS torture. And like he said, these accused terrorists will make up lies just to get them to stop... waterboarding does not get the truth out of terrorists. If it did, then Bin Laden would have been captured by now.
Good point. I guess it does depend on the demographics. If I recall from a research methods class I took in college, if someone takes a poll, they have to state what tyle of demographics was used and geared toward. I just dont get it! Even the news didnt state anything like that. I am just frustrated. If it was 64%, maybe they were confused and meant to say that amount of percent were NOT happy with his first 100 days...lol
It all depends on what questions are asked and how they are worded. So, nonone really knows how accurate they really are except the person who is the poll taker. Even then, there are only a certain amount of people that are actually polled and are still very focused on a specific area of importance. Think about the polls that we do on this site; they are voluntary. You have a choice to either participate or not. That is what most of these polls are is voluntary. It is not possible, to get everyone in this country to actually participate in the poll even if it was mailed or door to door.
Joeysfoxymama:
I'm not sure I believe the polls. I suppose it would be accurate based on the demographics of where they took the poll. For instance, one poll showed that 96% of African Americans approved and that 0% were undecided, but none disapproved. Several African Americans I know, told me they do not approve. So, that tells me that it just depends on who or where they ask the questions. I've never been included in any poll nor do I know anyone who has ever been in a poll. So, I honestly have no idea who they asked or where.
I'm not sure I believe the polls. I suppose it would be accurate based on the demographics of where they took the poll. For instance, one poll showed that 96% of African Americans approved and that 0% were undecided, but none disapproved. Several African Americans I know, told me they do not approve. So, that tells me that it just depends on who or where they ask the questions. I've never been included in any poll nor do I know anyone who has ever been in a poll. So, I honestly have no idea who they asked or where.
Havent the foggiest Glen Beck was aying the same thing on his radio show , a few posts ago some of the folks wre querying the Polls and how accurate they wre I heard it was 54% but maybe that was another Poll, you may be able to google it for answers..
I am just have one question. Apparently 64% of americans said they are pleased with obamas first 100 days........uh...were any of you in that poll or asked because I and others I know were not asked. If so, I am sure that percentage would be alot lower. Who did they ask in the first place?
Illadvocate,meant to say in previous post , My comment in the earlier post about "Restore America Not' Remake America 'was a response to what the President said yesterday at the press conferance 'He said he wanted to Remake America ' I didnt like that idea Restore seemed better, Yes Jolly man you sure got a mixed Bag of responses ,see we do have free speech at least On MH.. thank you for it...
Jollyman:
I agree - it's nice that everyone could express themselves. I'm thankful we all have differing views because those differing views are what keeps the checks and balances in place. I hope and pray we are able to keep the right to our opinions and freedoms. I know this post ended up taking a life of its own and we steered off course from the original thread, but I'm so thankful to here different points of view.
Have a great day!
Hugs,
Janet
I agree - it's nice that everyone could express themselves. I'm thankful we all have differing views because those differing views are what keeps the checks and balances in place. I hope and pray we are able to keep the right to our opinions and freedoms. I know this post ended up taking a life of its own and we steered off course from the original thread, but I'm so thankful to here different points of view.
Have a great day!
Hugs,
Janet
Man i never in my life thought this thread would get so many resposones, i guess it is a good thing everyone can express your thoughts ...i really hope we can keep this right..i guess what this proves is there are so many differnt opions and people are very strong with those...i just want sya thanks to all who posted
You speak a lot of sense Iladvocate and I have to agree , I havent read "The Forgotten Man' maybe I will thanks for that.helpin
Has anyone read the book "The Forgotten Man"? I personally believe the "New Deal" allowed the depression to hold on longer than it should have and so I am one of those who disagree with that concept. I personally do not like FDR's policies. I know a lot of people think he did a great job, but I think he was full of himself based on reports about him and from what my grandparents have told me.
Well it would depend on what specific idea of his you were speaking about. I would believe that starting under president Reagan many of the protection we have as regards where our money is invested in banks and our financial security that was put in place by F.D.R. was undermined and President Obama would like to return us to that in the time of a reccession. I do want to see specific regulations on how banks can invest our funds. I would not believe it in the nation's best interest to invest people's savings and Social Security funds in the stock market and there should be protections against predatory lending and many of the practices that started the reccession that came from economic deregulation. I by no means want a socialist economy. I do believe that people have the right to their savings. But I also believe that the regulations should be returned as to how the banks can invest them. I well understood the need for "welfare reform" but that was put into place by then president Clinton, hardly a conservative. Is it other than economic reform you are speaking about? F.D.R. called his plan the "New Deal" and I believed it served America well and should have been left in place. I don't believe President Obama will live up to his standards though.
I think the America that some of us older ones (baby boomers + (not sure about your age, so offense intended)) know it, is probably not going to happen again. Obama seems he// bent on "remaking" America and I don't think that bodes well for anyone. So how about "damage control" so we can preserve what we still have??
Night all ..
Night all ..
I agree and less of the 'drivel' Lol ...How about we agree to 'Restore ""America ..not 'Remake" America as was suggested in the news conferance yesterday ...
A number of reporters/bloggers allowed themselves to be subjected to water boarding as part of what I'd call publicity stunts.
Afterwards, all reacted the same way; horrified over the experience. Most confessed they still have nightmares about the experience to this day. There's a reason our boys in WWII shot enemy soldiers who used this torture tactic.
As to information gained; recently made available records that have been examined show that ANY usable intel was gotten PRIOR to torture. Afterwards, nothing of any logistical use was obtained.
So in the interest of concern for my fellow people, I'm NOT going to suggest you try this out at home to "See what it's like."
Afterwards, all reacted the same way; horrified over the experience. Most confessed they still have nightmares about the experience to this day. There's a reason our boys in WWII shot enemy soldiers who used this torture tactic.
As to information gained; recently made available records that have been examined show that ANY usable intel was gotten PRIOR to torture. Afterwards, nothing of any logistical use was obtained.
So in the interest of concern for my fellow people, I'm NOT going to suggest you try this out at home to "See what it's like."
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