Okay guys lets have a good healthy debate, I have heard about Sara Palin, what are your views on her leaving, did the media drive her away, the attacks on her family, or she just couldnt cut it. I am not doing a Poll not everyone likes them, so come on we all love a good debate.I believe she is thinking about her family and knows that if it has been difficult to cope with now it would get worse as the next 3 years go by. I cant blame her she has a great family to think about.and it must affect them.What do you all think.?
I think for right now she is sick and tired of her family getting the snot knocked out of them by the liberal media...like the vanity fair mag...and I know the left wing liberal idiots will have something to cry about what i said..but hey i really don't care....the dems are afraid of her and thats that!!!!!!!!!!!
I really think that she does not want to deal with the politics as usual. And, she is tired of hearing all of the nastiness that the media and others have aimed at her children. Most recently, her son Trig, who has down syndrome, was targeted and as a mother, she decided to end it all. She is just tired of her children getting beat up and frankly, I do not blame her for leaving. Actually, I was surprised that it was not sooner. She is done and I really do not think she is running for President. I do not think that she wants to deal with politics as usual.
When Imus made his comment, and later apologized he had to step down. Letterman is still on the air. Why? Because Palin is a Conservative, and she is white. All the Lettermanns out there would've NEVER said this kind of stuff about Michelle Obama or the Obama girls or any Liberal female politician for that matter. Not only was her daughter attacked but her down syndrome baby was also called names by some of the Liberals. Palin and her daughter was also attacked by the Liberal media, frequently.
Lets face it, they were/are scared to death of her that she'd run for President, lots of the Liberal women are JELEAUS of Palin afraid their husbands/boyfriends would give her a second look. I mean just look at her, she is beautiful, sexy, a knock out body and that after having 5 kids, the last one not to long ago. I've seen and known women who are younger than Palin have no kids or one kid and look totally out of shape. She is intelligent and is a threat to the Liberals.
Now compare her to other women in politics. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer,with their boring pantsuits, Pelosi afraid to smile to much, afraid her botox will pop.
Palin RESPECTS our military, she'd NEVER say to a Brigidair General "please don't call me ma'm, I'm a Senator and worked hard for that title", I saw the clip on CSPAN, it was disgusting.
And for the ones who claim that Palin doesn't have enough experience just look at our President, he was a 2 year Senator and a community organizer and was elected President without having to prove that he was born in the U.S.
I don't know what to think about her quitting because really, I don't know the REAL reason.
The hateful comments made against her children, Bristol and Trig, were deplorable. If these had been made against obamas kids "MY STARS" the perpetrator would have been incarcerated, might even been put UNDER the jail. Such a double standard. And the thing is, is we tolerate it. I just don't understand that!!
I have just listened to some of her speech and it does say some thing you can interpret as being upset at the coverage she got, I always viewed her as being a very courageous woman , looking after her children and being there for them. ,as was said above by Barbarella I think that if anyone had cast the slurs she took on some of the other Political wives and their children the Press would have crucified them.
I can't add much because Barbarella and Peggy have said things so much better than I could.....WHY *IS* IT OKAY TO SAY SUCH THINGS ABOUT *HER*? You watch, if *I* posted a thread with despicable things about President Obama's kids (which would be just in HORRIBLE taste and I wouldn't even think about it---I actually think Mr. Obama has a very nice family)....but *IF* I started a post with a joke in poor taste about them, who wants to guess how quickly that post would be removed....? Of course, we don't know if the same thing would have happened in the case of a distasteful about Palin, BUT WE SURE HAD PEOPLE HERE ON SOCIAL THINKING THE JOKE(S) ABOUT PALIN'S DAU WERE NO BIG DEAL.....AND THAT SHE WAS BEING A DRAMA QUEEN!
I also don't see what resigning from her post has to do with running for office in 2012. Most politicians go from one to the other. I think it's exactly what she is saying it is. Of course, like everyone else, I am guessing...
Jollyman, as for your very first response....why don't you say what you REALLY feel....? Oh, got to LOVE Jollyman!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with everything said above about the attacks on her family. I'd certainly resign too, if people said those things about my family.
She had a lot of family things going on during this past election and I don't believe she was given fair press at all, so it appeared that she wasn't "with it".
BUT - I can't help but wonder if she is resigning now, hoping the "hype" will die down so she can "regroup" and prepare to run in 2012. I'm hoping that's what she has in mind; depending on her policies - I'd most likely vote for her..
Personally, I respect Sarah Palin and believe she's making a good decision for her and her family right now. I personally think (just my opinion) that perhaps she will run for another office (maybe the senate or house). I think she'd do awesome in that capacity. I also think she'd be a great President - she is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in. I do NOT think she's running away like so many think. IMO!
Just when I think I won't hear that name anymore, she pops up again...
Would someone please explain to me why the republican party is so attached to Sarah Palin? When she first got started I sort of understood, because she was a pitbull in lipstick and she is very pretty...but there are a lot of republican women in office that are so much more intelligent and have made better decisions and can answer a question about what newpapers they read...what is it about her that makes you think she can run the country....For me...it takes more than having boobs. We had one less than intelligent person in office for 8 years...Can we please please please put really, really smart people in the white house....shouldn't our president be like near brilliant?
So here's my real concern...I live in Iowa and I know a lot of states don't like the fact that we are always first to caucas and blah blah blah...we had politicians in our state non stop for two years before this election...republican and democrats and yes it's great for our local economies...BUT....I got soooo sick of the election months before it ever happened. So I'm thinking she's going to be heading to the lower 48...are we going to start 3.5 years before the election this time? Please "Say it ain't so Joe"
I personally think she's a very bright woman. She stood up to the Republican party in her own State and made them accountable. I'm thankful she's not afraid to take on her own party and realizes she's represented the people, not special interests or other politicians. I like her strength. By the way, I'm not a Republican. I'm conservative but believe both parties have lost their way. As for the past 8 years, I will agree that Bush made many mistakes, but as for being "less than intelligent" I don't believe that. He's a very smart man.
And, I hope we can say it's "it ain't so 'JOE'" in the future. LOL!!!
You know I think you may be right I thought she was protecting her Family from any more attacks but then it could be she needs to keep her 'powder 'dry ready for 2012,it makes sense doesnt it, kind of regrouping.
I think she's bright up to a point...but I'm not sure she comes up with her own conclusions or grabs someone else's and runs with it. She did not come off well in her interviews...and I don't want someone who has be coached to say I read the papers, which it was fairly obvious that she didn't......George Bush Jr (mr Ex President) was not that bright and he was generally the first one to admit it...I think in the first 4 years of the Bush Cheney presidency...it was just that Bush and Cheney ...I'm not sure we had a v.p. In the second 4 years, I feel that President Bush jr...(man W is so much easier) felt that he was re-elected and I think that's when he took the lead, but we were already in huge trouble by then....and he was a lot like John McCain in admitting that economics was not his strength. A person running for office can get away with not being book smart if they can be realistic.
It's not always great if they're intelligent but aren't a realistic person and if you're neither smart nor realistic oh we're a so scr00d.
One thing we've learned about Sarah Palin is that she LOVES attention. She may play the victim and claim that she is hounded by the "liberal" (LOL!) media, but she is the one going out and trying to grab the spotlight.
I don't think Palin is too bright to basically QUIT after only serving as Governor for 2 1/2 years. Alaska, like many other states, are dealing with budget deficit. If I'm right and Palin wants to run for president in 2012, then this wasn't a bright move at all. She should think twice about up and quitting. She doesn't have the experience to run for president. Perhaps she's considering running for Senate or writing a book ? Who knows ? But I do know that she is planning something. I still believe that winning is not quitting and she made a huge mistake by resigning today.
We'll regarding the Republican party loving Sarah Palin; that is certainly not true. Many Republicans are just as afraid of her as the Liberals are. The reason they are afraid of her is because she has morals and actually cares about Americans, which is alot more than you could ever say about any other politician on either side. If someone would have attacked my son, with down syndrome, or any of my kids; then with morals being the #1 on my list as well as Sarah Palin's then resigning is the best thing she could have done for her family. The media, liberals, and Republicans nevered showed her kids respect and always attacked them. Noone really knows if they were being harrased or possibly even threatened. It definitely would not surprise me with some of the nasty things that have been said by many critics of hers.
Regarding the comment on she does not even have experience to run for Presidentl; We all said the same thing about our current President. Hmmm, He still is not showing that he has the experience to run this country. She is put in the spotlight by others that have to always be attacking and criticizing her for all that she does, even if she does nothing at all. I did not hear anyone criticize and attack Hillary or Nancy Pelosi, well that is probably because they are just not that attractive or interesting. Also, like others have said, the media or politicians have never attacked a Democrats' child and if they did then they would be fired or put in jail for it. So, it is always a double standard. The media does it to former President Bush's girls as well especially on Saturday Night Live.
I really think that morals should come first, especially if you are a politician and always in the public eye. When it comes to our children, then they need to come before any title or political position. We need them to be protected or they will end up like a Sanford, Edward's, Clinton, or Ensign. I surely do not want that.
..Thank you for your last post...you just stopped me from a big argument...lol...and many in here know what i mean...the liberals are afriad of Palin as well they should be...as you can see by some of the post..i love the one about why is party so stuck on Plain...what is Obama??????? they think he is a rock star..he's like a rock ok sinking this country so fast...but that is another subject..but hey I am a right wing conservative nut!1 and damn proud of that and sarah palin..glad she is republican...at least she can prove her citzenship!!!
"the liberals are afriad of Palin as well they should be"
Nope. I do not fear many things, including the future and I know many liberals who certainly do not fear Sarah Palin.
The problem with the Republican party is that they have lost their ways.... they are so divided right now and have no proposed solutions (excluding Colin Powell) for some of these MAJOR issues, such as healthcare, energy and the economy. All they've been doing is whining lately.
I would like to hear proposed solutions to our countrys problems, including energy and the healthcare issue from all of the Republicans here. Also, do you even know where your candidates stand on these issues ? I'm guessing that most Republicans do not.
What makes me think that Sarah Palin can run this country because it takes more than boobs? Sarah Palin has MORALES. Sarah Palin doesn't take any cra...-p, Sarah stands up for herself and her family, Sarah Palin stands up for our military, and I'm positive she would stand up for this country. Sarah Palin I don't think would go to other countries and "apologize" for the U.S.
As for the "less intelligent" President Bush, how do you know exactly "how intelligent" President Bush is?? He was INTELLIGENT ENOUGH to keep us safe for the last 8 yrs. He did not pussyfoot around with the enemy. Before you make judgment about President Bush I suggest you go to the muslim websites throughout the world. They are all on Google. Most of them have an option to click "English" so you can read their stuff in English. Go ahead and read exactly what they are saying as in "Obama shows weakness", "the Al Quaeda was afraid of Bush". I read that several times and I am not talking about message boards but from "editors" at their local newspapers. Despite Obama's speech in Egypt he thinks was so succesful, that speech doesn't mean a thing to them.
Why do you think that idiot in North Korea is "playing games" with Obama constantly threatening and announcing that he will shoot off a missile toward us because he is not afraid of Obama.
I think when it comes to keeping us safe I rather have a President Bush or a Sarah Palin who is not afraid then somebody what you think is more "intelligent" because they can name the "magazines" they read (Katie Couric asked Palin what "magazines" she reads NOT what newspaper, I saw the interview) maybe Palin doesn't read any magazines, I don't. Some people don't have time or desire to read magazines.
Look at your own President. During the primaries he said "I've been to 57 States and have two more to go", I heard and saw it. Now imagine if a Republican running for office had said that?? Look at your own VP Biden, I can't even count all the Gaffe's he has made, one comes to my mind where he told a man in a wheelchair "get up, stand up" I watched it, when he realized the man could not do that, and then Biden apoligized "what was I thinking, omg what was I thinking"?!
Does it show intelligence our President giving the Prime Minister of England 25 DVD's, among them Star Wars and ET as a "gift", no class! An IPOD as a "gift"for the Queen of England who is 83 yrs old.
How intelligent is President Obama?? He has yet to make his college papers public. We do not know how he graduated, if he graduated etc etc what is he hiding? Mc Cain made his public and even told that he was 5th on the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. Mc Cain was not hiding anything which includes his birth certificate.
I suggest people get off the insults toward President Bush and Sarah Palin and take inventory of our current President instead.....
Ahhh... almost forgot something else (and I'm sure that I will remember more later). Bush also made us less safer by not addressing the failing economy. It was on his watch when the economy started declining and not to mention that the U.S. Securities Exchange Commission failed to foresee this and address the issue. Of course the CEO of the SEC was appointed by Bush !
One of Bin Laden's goals was to destroy our economy. Well he didn't have to.... Bush already helped him. (IMHO).
Lets see when/if the next attack happens "how" Obama will handle it.
As for the boarders I agree President Bush did not close them but neither will Obama. Two wrongs don't make a right though. BTW, most Liberals are for open boarders, just listen to the bleeding hearts and the ACLU, but when it comes to crticizing Bush all of a sudden they are for closing the boarders, but they wont say a peep to Obama why he is not closing the boardes.
Bin Laden is "one of the enemy" if you think Bin Laden is our "only" enemy think again.
Maybe if Clinton had done something in 1993 when the first attack happened on the World Trade Center, later the attack on the Kobalt Towers, the attack on our Marine barracks killing hundred of Marines, the attack on the USS Cole killing 17 of our Sailors, all on Clinton's watch yet he didn't do a thing about it while the enemy kept on planning their next attack, and when Bush got in office they thought Bush too would roll over but Bush proved them otherwise and we were not attacked since.
"Lets see when/if the next attack happens "how" Obama will handle it."
Obama will work within our international laws. Unlike Bush, he will follow the laws that were set by our ancestors who set up these laws from lessons learned.
Republicans have been soooo wrong about Obama all along and especially during the campaign. All of their accusations were wrong and nothing but lies. I have no doubt that Obama will protect this country.... and that is his first priority. Of course some of the steps he's taken have already helped. His speech in Egypt convinced many Muslims that Americans are not at war with Islam. Today Russia announced that they would allow our military to fly weapons to Afghanistan over their country. This is something that they would not agree to when Bush was president, although Bush claimed that he and Putin were "good friends". ; ^ )
"When our ancestors set up laws" there was no war on terror, there were no airplanes to be flown into our buildings. Our ancestors robbed the Native Americans of their country with guns, while the Native Americans only had spears and arrows to fight with. This is 2009, total different wars, which have to be fought totally different.
As for Russia allowing our military to fly weapons into Afghanistan, sure why not, they were offered THREE TIMES THE PRICE. Read below from the Associated Press:
"Russia was seen as the instigator of Kyrgyzstan's decision earlier this year to evict the United States from an air base used to ship military hardware and troops to Afghanistan. The decision was reversed only after the U.S. agreed to pay three times the price.
No comment was immediately available from the Pentagon on Friday, a federal holiday."
The speech in Cairo did NOT convince ALL muslims. Do some research and read what exactly some major muslim newspapers say about this speech. Most of them have an option to click on "English".
As for Putin being friends with Bush, that is politics. They are all "friends" while they are in office. Angela Merkel is all "buddy, buddy" with Obama on national TV while behind his back she criticizes him big time. "Google" Russia and Obama, and you will see that only 21% of Russians approve of Obama so far, read the critics coming from Russia about Obama. Yet when he gets over there I'm sure they will all smile in his face. If you "google" it you will also see that Putin STILL likes Bush but has big reservations about Obama and hopes that it will be straightened out once Obama will come to Russia I believe will be next week. Obama smiled into President Bush's face, shook hands and padded him on his back only to turn around and trash Bush 24/7. President Bush on the other hand has yet to trash Obama.
As for the next possible attack I hope you're right, I hope Obama wont roll over like Bill Clinton did with the 4 previous attacks prior 9/11 and therefore gave the enemy fuel to the fire them thinking they can do the same with President Bush but found out otherwise.
God help us all, god bless America, and god bless our military who kept us and keep us FREE!
Thank you Barbarella for your fluency... you echoed what many Americans are now realising is the truth and the concern for our freedom as we have known it, I see Colin Powell had come out and voiced his concern about the direction OBama is taking us,it wasnt spoken by some news anchor as many get suggest I actually heard Powell speak himself,. Personally I am afraid that as we become more of a laughing stock at our weakness that we will face a bigger threat .,I dont think trying to placate and win friends of terrorists will work.. We should be hunting down Al Qeda and the Taliban in Afganhistan not spending time making friends.
You're 100% right. I knew all that before I posted/replied :) What can I say :)
I just wish our President would grow up and stop telling us and other countries "what he inherited from President Bush", "how much Obama has on its plate". As much as President Bush got trashed 24/7 for the last 8 yrs Obama knew EXACTLY what he was getting into. He STILL APPLIED FOR THE JOB, he got the job, and now its time that he DOES the job or step down and let somebody else do it who CAN do the job. Who is "man enough" to do the job without constantly bringing up what he "inherited". Obama WANTED to inherit it. His ego and arrogance is so big, he had to become President no matter what. I say "stop whining" like some wet behind the ears college kid/college Professor. BTW, I sent the exact words to the White House the other day, I'm sure somebody read it but am also sure that it was deleted instantly.
The day after 9/11 and thereafter President Bush never looked back and said "what did I inherit from Bill Clinton, Clinton rolled over when we had 4 previous attacks and now we got this mess, the big one". NOT ONCE did President Bush whine about what he "inherited". Instead he went to work immediately. The people who are not wearing rose colored glasses concerning Obama are sick of his asinine whining about what he "got on his plate". I say get with the program! He knew exactly what he was getting into, but has problems "delivering" the promisses he made during the campaign.
well they don't want to keep passing bilions of dollars of worhtles bills like cap and trade, and keep printing money to pay for these things and devaluing our dollar ...keeps up in 5 years if we are still heree this will be a 3rd world country
You are on a roll. And stated so eloquently. You make me proud to be a republican!
As far as Bush is concerned, I think he did great considering what HE INHERITED.
Obama is not the great black hope and this will prove to be true eventually. He will sell us out.
Wait and see.
He is already talking us down. Why doesn't this concern any of his party people, and why hasn't anything been done or said about that? Imagine if you will, if Bush or Cheney had made the comments obama has made degrading the USA, and in other countries too. They would have been impeached and without any time wasted, either.
Did i mention Bush's name>. no never came up..what i said spending us into a depression won't work..devalueing the dollar is spending us into the depression..printing money is killing us...the cap and trade bill is non- sense...and when your eltric bill is 330% higher you will wonder why...oh I know cap and trade...Gee i could have had v-8..wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!
the dollar lost its value many years ago, before Bush. He is just someone for the democrats to hang the blame on. Why not go back to clinton and read what he did? how the money was devalued when he was in office. Bush inherited clintons mess, and as usual, repubs had to take the blame.
I would like to read them. If someone has a link to any of them and has read them I would like to as well. If there are two bills being proposed its only fair that I read both of them. I did bookmark the bill proposed by the democrats on health care reform (no idea why that thread went down) and I started to read it and I'd be more than happy to read the one the republicans propose.
Two things I disagree with are stifling other people's viewpoints or the other political party. That's not how America works. And also I'd like to see which out of any bills on either side has less political pork that is completely useless because frankly that's the one that would interest me more. I do think of America being that its July 4th. I'm happy to be alive in a literal sense and I'm sure other people here are as well. The more divisive politics becomes the less progress America will make and if president Obama is part of that then I can honestly say I respect him less and less as he promised to unite America and frankly I'm not seeing much of that.
You have asked us to let you know when things are getting heated, and when we are closely monitoring a thread.
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This thread is getting very close to personal insults. People are reporting a bunch of things from this thread, and very little of it is actually abuse. We are trying very hard to not "censor", as it has been called, and to let things be, but when people start making it personal, then we can't let it go.
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If you must debate politics, then please stay on topic (this one has gone way beyond Sarah Palin), and refrain from insulting anyone else, and that includes people who are not in your chosen political party.
I'm just a member like anyone else. I'm sorry that you are offended by my views and feel the need to leave as a result. I honestly did not break any rules and/or mean to offend anyone. I do enjoy political debates from time to time and especially when I feel the need to jump in on certain discussions.
We all have that right, including yourself and I do respect your views.
Its still the same place and there are many issues we have in common. To me at least. We all face many of the same issues as people with disabilities which many of us with our recovery issues are. And we all are using the same right to free speech that we are entitled to under the constitution. Not everyone has that right in some other countries. And many of us are affected by the reccession as well. Of course we won't all have the same opinions but our right to express them is part of America and on today of all days we should all think of that. Myself included.
Thank you for being present in this discussion. You know I'm wondering if MedHelp should stop allowing political posts altogether ? To be honest with you, I actually don't like to read negative posts about our President and like some other members... when you read these things, you feel the need to jump in the discussion and offer your point of view. Since this is a health community, perhaps it would be best to do away with the political threads ? I don't like censorship at all... but this is a health community.
Its not an easy time for many people due to the war and reccession. Let's just think about what we have in common and remember that the only opposition are the terrorists that America is fighting against to preserve our freedom. We all have the right to our opinions on any side of the political spectrum onsite and off.
Well, I hope MH doesn't stop political debates. That's what America is all about, freedom of speech. So, we're allowed to like or dislike our president or others in office. We're allowed to discuss and debate these things, and for that I'm grateful. A lot of countries are not allowed to disagree and can be imprisoned or executed for speaking out. I thank God I live in America, land of the free!
I do think we should keep things civil, though. I know we can do that and still get our point across.
As for the original question, I was wondering the same thing, whether she's getting ready to run for 2012? I guess we'll find out. It would be interesting to have a woman president, wouldn't it?
I have come in from a Patriotic Parade , to hear there is talk of removing my thread , I dont see any really personal attacks I see one liberal member trying to stop 'Free Speech.'. I think Med Help is intelligent enough to see this. Thank you all guys for the input, it read pretty good to me ....Happy Independance day
Free speech is something we all should value as its clearly a first amendment right. I am going to pass on any opinion on the original topic for this one day. I am glad to be physically able to leave the house at all (as part of my physical recovery) and yes I am thankful to be an American. I do hope everyone has a happy July 4th as well and I will be leaving for a while which is something I have not able to do in a long time. When you are unable to do something you realize how important it is and the same is true for any political freedoms that sometimes we take for granted as the Declaration of Independence guarantees them. We can continuing debating on this topic on a more low key vein another day. Have a good one everyone..
MH doesn't really have the time to worry about who voted for Obama, Bush, or anyone else in their lifetimes. We have way too much to monitor to worry ourselves with who is on what side. Please work with us to keep this a place that is safe and supportive for everyone, not just those who agree with your political beliefs.
Thank you Iladvocate and I hope you have a good day, I went to a terrific Parade with lots of great kids singing and dancing to the patriotic songs I love, then I went on to a Tea Party ..I was astounded how many people were there.,did some signing of petitions, now where were we, oh yes , I think you are right April when you say maybe Sara is getting ready to run in 2012,I didnt spot that I thought it was because of her children and Family.. Have a good 4th Guys ..
Amen, MH, I agree! We should be able to speak freely but still remain respectful with each other. I also agree that everyone should abide by the rules and not get abusive or personally attack anyone. I believe we can all have a great discussion without things resorting to that. Thanks so much for the great job you all do here! We do appreciate all that you do. :)
Happy 4th to everyone! I sure hope it doesn't rain here tonight since it's raining right now. We've been getting afternoon and evening showers almost every day this month. *Crossing fingers that the fireworks will still go on tonight!*
Happy Independence Day! :)
"People are reporting a bunch of things from this thread, and very little of it is actually abuse."
I really would like to know who "the people" are clicking these "report" buttons. I know, I know, that is why they are there but give me a break, click the report button when there is really something to "report" as in calling each other inflammatory names, profanity, threats etc.
I've read every post on this thread 3 times and have yet to see what the cause for the "reports". Are we adults or is this a Kindergarten class??
Debates get heated at times and not only political debates. Some people who are big fans of a certain singer/movie star get very emotianal/mad if their idol is criticized.
Find any board where you can have a one sided, always agreeing with each other debate, not even strictly Liberal or Conservative boards always agree with each other, and it too gets heated at times.
Does that mean we now have to walk on eggs reading over our posts several times before we post them to make sure somebody wont click the "report" button on us??
How can I recommend this board to anybody who asks me where I post with this asinine stuff going on?
Do people actually think I always like what certain people shoot back at me?? I would NEVER click the "report" button no matter how mad I should get. I respond and give my piece of mind. If people are THAT sensitive then they should not post on public messageboards.
Again, nobody on here called anybody a name, threw insults at anybody, threatened anybody etc. If you feel your President/former President got insulted then defend him. That is what debates are all about. BTW, nobody called Obama or Bush any inflammatory names, we gave opinions.
Frankly, I don't see what the problem is. You can't go through life being that sensitive, "report" when there is something really to report about.
Me also I came in the hose been to a great Tea Party guys..... put on MH Social to catch up ...saw it was getting pretty good made a remark and it got deleted all within a few .secs .....Someone else was reporting I expect one of our little Trolls....
I even came in the house aswell as the Hose...someone kindly pointed out it was 'Fat Finger' causing that, on the other thread the other day before that got deleted ...My fingers are skinny but I do hit the keys at a funny angle the husband has lifted the keyboard for me and it seems a 'bit' better.
Barbarella, You've made an excellent post. That puzzles me too. Why on earth would people hit the report button if no one is abusing the rules? All that does is cause more work and more headache for MH. If people get that upset about something then maybe they should leave it alone until they've cooled down. I honestly have seen nothing wrong with anything I've seen in this thread.
It really is ok to have different opinions and agree to disagree, folks.
margypops, I think I remember the fat finger comment and I don't think it was directed towards any one person. Being fat fingered is an expression meaning making mistakes or typos, which we all do at some point.
I actually agree with all of you guys and here I was debating you. LOL !
What I don't understand is if some MedHelp members do not like these political discussions, then why in the world would they bother to open this thread in the first place ?? That just doesn't make any sense, does it ? Politics goes along with illnesses.... we have healthcare to discuss and other important issues.
Some of us really enjoy political debates, although I do admit that sometimes I feel the need to jump in when I see posts about Obama.
I think platelet gal did a wonderful job of standing her ground. Kudos to you girl. Did you feel just a little outnumbered there? I asked a question a while ago, and it was instantly deleted. Im not sure I understand that. The word liberal, is used quite a bit. I want to know what a liberal is because it does not sound like something nice they way it is being used? Can someone explain what the meaning of a liberal, in referring to politics is?
As far as Palin goes, I dont like the woman, and I dont dislike the woman. I dont care that she quit her job or why. For whatever reason she decided it was in her and her familys best interest and I dont think she cares much about what I think about it one way or the other. I could be snide and point out all her inadequacies and you would rebut me with her qualities. So to what end does that serve? Personally, I wish her well, whatever she decides to do. I will not use her situation to attack and belittle President Bush, (I happen to like him too). Nor will I blame Obama for being elected because we thought he was the Great Black Hope, I think someone called him. We live in troubled times and have become seriously divided in this great nation of ours. These debates ALWAYS seem to end up being about whether you are a rep or a dem, not remaining on topic. I think some of this is deliberately put down just to c it go there. People are passionate on both sides, might we just leave it there.IMO Okay, just dont hit the face people! (Ducking and squinting). Remember? its the 4th!
I see it this way... either we continue to discuss politics and MH agrees to delete posts that are in violation and not delete posts that are NOT in violation of MedHelp rules. Members who don't like these political threads should stay out of them. Members who participate in the discussions simply follow MedHelp's rules.
Also MedHelp can decide to not continue on with these political threads. I actually wouldn't blame them if they choose to do this... only because of the hassle and because this is really a health community. I know that I have been personally attacked today by someone who wasn't even posting in this thread, who just jumped in out of nowhere and let her anger out on me. I just don't understand where that came from or why that happened. Anyhow... if you don't like politics, then you shouldn't be reading these threads. Its really that simple. And why waste your energy getting upset ? I'm tolerate of all views and so I rarely get upset in these political threads.
You know you are right about that you have always been very respectful of my views and even though we strongly disagree on many political issues, we definitely agree that we must be able to voice our opinions. As you can see, I have not gotten involved with this thread, due to the most recent problems with others being so rude and obnoxious. So, that of course, was my decision to not be involved. But, we do need to be able to debate issues respectively and even though we all do not agree; I can say that we all agree that America is the best country and that we all deserve freedom.
God Bless all of you and Happy 4th of July. And as my mood quote says:
Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall. John Dickinson
April I didnt mean it was said as an attack I meant that someone managed to explain my mistakes, with the keyboard,,,, you misinterpeted what I meant ,I was actually happy to hear someone else hits the wrong keys as they had said that they thought bad spelling and Grammar was inexcusable,that was yesterdays deleted thread , incidently someone has hit the dlete button again on a previous post I did on here earlier and there was no personal stuff. I was also told by a mod that there has been an objection about the term liberal being used.....humm..
I agree that this is a health community, but I also have to say that the political issues facing us these days definitely affect health issues. As people lose jobs, health insurance, etc, it can't help but bring on stress, depression, and various other health related problems. There are as many different ways to look at an issue as there are people posting.
I'd hate to see MH stop allowing the political debates, because this is a fun place to come; but I was attacked in one of the deleted threads and I can guarantee it's no fun and totally uncalled for just because we don't agree.
Like PlateletGal said earlier - sometimes, I just have to jump in and toss my opinion out there.. Nothing personal to anyone.
Hoping everyone is having/has had a great 4th of July...
Personally I can't stand the woman. i see her as representing everything that is wrong with this country. She strikes me as intuitive but stupid.
That said, she's facing a number of investigations and potential criminal charges that could very well go away due to an under the table cut deal as part of the resignation package.
She just finished her 18th inquiry into corruption charges. Eventually, something is going to stick.
But there's also the issue of her book deal. As Governor the exact workings of that deal would have to be vetted. Resigning gets her out of having to worry about any close scrutiny on it.
Finally, she's a member of a church that believes the husband is the overall head of the family, and there is some question that her husband is behind her resigning. I don't really put to much credence behind this one though.
However, considering he's a major separatist (Alaska should secede from the United states), her husband's obvious influence is probably a worrisome issue.
Otherwise... resigning as Governor to run for President is a fairly stupid move. Considering the excuses she gave, the Democrats will have a field day with her should she decide to run.
Darn, things keep getting good when I'm gone for the day. I have one more week of out-of-town visitors before I will NOT miss so much - like the LAST time a thread was deleted.
MH *NEVER* got involved back when there was heat when Bush was in office....so is it just because people can't take it with Obama? IDK...just speculating on the difference as I'm seeing it. Maybe when it was about Bush, no one was hitting the "panic" (aka, report) button. But, some Obama person IS hitting it...?
There is talk that one group was attacking yesterday, it is usually the other way round on many threads ,they can be checked if anyone cares to scroll down, I have been battling it out with all the Democrats sometimes alone, ,am I allowed to say that as some dont like the term liberal and reported that fact yesterday that I was using it, I will abide by that and use the term Democrat from now on if that is okay..
Well, it got deleted yesterday right away Margy, but I am the one that asked what liberal means in re of politics. So, I take it that is supposed to be a democrat? I truly wanted to know and still do, but it appears at least from your viewpoint that it is a dem? Hmmm, Well I am not a dem.
I would also like to point out that I am the one that attacked barb in the last post to go down. So, for those of you who did not know it, which I find hard to fathom, you now know. I am sorry for my approach to making that point, however I am not sorry on the point itself. I truly wish the thread had not been brought down. I think it had good stuff in it.
People's disagreements on this forum aside I'd be interested to know the history of when the word "liberal" became an insult. I know some people not agree with all of his policies but F.D.R. was generally a well regarded president and he did refer to himself as a liberal. I would agree that the counterculture in the 60's did a lot to detract from certain standard American value systems but many of those people have changed their political outlook since then even if they didn't change their overly permissive attitude towards society. Political forums are complex. I was on one where almost alll the people were quite anti-American to the point where it was ridiculous such as multiple discussions on "conspiracy theories". There was one person who was quite conservative and to the point where I did disagree with them but since they were always mocked by the other people I did support their right to their opinion and even though I alienated some people, many people began to support me for that stance. When I read through the letters to the local paper I don't skip through the ones that don't support my political viewpoints. In actuality those interest me the most because sometimes I missing out on genuine concerns people have and do want to know what they are.
Actually, I used to be democrat and then changed to independant. I tend to listen to what one is about, I either agree with em or I dont. I know lots of people that are one or the other and will vote down party lines no matter what. That never seemed right to me, maybe I just dont understand that. I find that I like certain things that all have to say and tend to go with the one that best fits my personal stance on things. I think whichever party we are, we all tend to do that. And that is what makes it so passionate. I do not think any of us are going to change anyones mind when it comes to issues for that reason alone. But it sure had divided us as a people that is for sure. I think that is also evident on the forum.
Holy cow, I leave off for most of the 4th and our little discussion went full blown debate...I have read thru a lot of stuff here and have found a lot to fire back on, but in light of our new found friendships...I'll try to behave.
But I would put this one thing out there...If Sarah Palin is such an ethical person, why is she facing all of these lawsuits to start with? Ok, they were uncovered by "radical dem favoring newscolumnists during the run for vp"... (and that is meant as a joke) but you can't find what's not there.......soooo, it was found............
Oh and sorry...I did say b--b's on site, I probably should have not done that...My original point is that it takes more than someone just being a woman to get my vote. It does take someone with good ethics, someone who is kind, but she will also have to have the ability to be really tough sometimes and maybe even not very likeable....she will have to be more of everything because she is a woman and though it is changing this (politics) is still more of a home team for man...so to speak...So the first woman prez will have to be more everything...more tolerant, yet more tough, able to care for friends and family, but able to put those aside, able to make the right decisions and yet able to make the decisions that are not as popular, able to make mistakes and then to know what to do to fix them and do that without losing face....
I have yet to vote for a woman, dem, repub or ind....I have only ever seen one that I thought could handle the job and I didn't like her enough to vote for her.....
First of all, Democrat has two different ideologies Liberal and Progressive:
This info is from a article called Political Axioms Sat, 01/05/2008 - 7:28pm — shystee From a recent article by Teh Krugman:
"Liberal: people who want things like universal healthcare, out of Iraq, privacy rights, help for the homeless, good public schools, justice, equality, etc... " "For Liberals the ultimate goal in politics is to get Democrats elected."
"Progressives, on the other hand, know that progressive policy is possible (and necessary, real soon) and want to fight whatever stands in the way of making it happen." "For Progressives the ultimate goal is the enactment of progressive policy."
Another example is: "On the foreign policy front, it seems to be that liberals are those who bought into the "grave threat" of the Soviets during the cold war and currently take seriously our need to fight a "war on terror". Said differently, liberals back the military-industrial complex and are not about the threaten the jobs of America's bomb and missle makers simply because they are irrelevant."
"Progressives however, realize that America cannot be the world's policeman and that it is ludicrous to spend more than the total of all other nations on the military in an era when our greatest threat is from small bands of terrorists."
"Liberals support the empire, progressives oppose it."
Now as far as Republicans they have two ideologies as well:
Republican: an advocate of a republic (usually in opposition to a monarchy)
Conservative: conserving or tending to conserve; preservative tending to preserve established traditions or institutions and to resist or oppose any changes in these
Actually Micheal Savage wrote a article today July 5, 2009 explaining the difference between Republican and Conservative:
"Republicans are for AIDS money to Africa. Conservatives are for aid to working American citizens."
"Republicans are for letting the free market decide that $5 a gallon gas is OK. Conservatives are for compelling foreign oil producers to increase production and reduce prices, by force if necessary."
"Republicans are for bailing out billionaire money manipulators on Wall Street while you wait in line at the hospital behind an illegal alien. Conservatives are for letting Wall Street hucksters pay for their own mistakes and sending the illegal back to Mexico."
"Republicans are for letting market forces decide if your food has fecal matter in it. Conservatives are for enforcing basic food safety standards so that Mexican farm workers can't **** in the fields and make you sick. "
"Republicans think bringing in illegal aliens is an amnesty. Conservatives think brining in illegal aliens is a travesty."
"Republicans want a strong global economy. Conservatives want a country. Republicans think that child porn on the internet is freedom from government. Conservatives know that smut is a poison that must be snuffed out.
I actually as a then, registered democrat voted for Hillary as I saw her as a Moderate Democrat, I am not so certain now,and certainly as I have now reregistered I dont think she would have been good, she doesnt say much now does.... she kind of hides under a rock.,,staying out of the way.....
I know it really is complicated because people make it that way. If it would be the same as when my Grandmother was into politics most were Democrats. She was back when she was in her 20's but after all the differences were brought into the parties then that is when she changed to Republican.
I just wish that we would have more choices, as far as political party. As of now, we only have two choices since any other choice is extremely limited.
Melissa, I know what you mean, back when I was a child, my Dad always said Republicans were for the rich and Dem were for the poor. That was our lesson on politics. lol Wouldnt it be nice if it were that simple?
Based on Melissa's post, I guess I'd have to say I'm conservative because I certainly believe in taking care of our own before we start taking care of the rest of the world. We have too many people in our own country who work and still can't afford to buy gas, pay an electric bill, buy groceries, or afford medical care. It's just plain wrong that we spend so much $ on other countries, including (or especially) the illegal aliens that are coming in daily and going straight to the welfare office to sign up.
I think the bottom line here, folks, is that we ALL want the same things, we just have different ideas about how to go about getting it.
Heh heh... I post, and go away to celebrate our nation's independence day with popcorn, cats, and fireworks!!!
the second two do NOT mix well. :-)
Apparently what I said was upsetting to some...?
Quick comment; I beleive the word "liberal" became a dirty word around the time of the McCarthy era and communism, when the word was tied into communism by the conservatives. In fairness to them, some liberals did toy with communism, just like during WWII in Britain some Conservatives were siding up with the Nazi Socialist party.
You will find that there has been a shift in politics from the 80's to now. The democratic position now is essentially the position that the 1980's republicans had (minus one or two issues) while the republican party is...well, the republican party. :-)
An interesting bit of info here and i say this with the express declaration I will NOT get into a debate on this issue and don't think we should bother too. not the point of this. The point here is how ANY political party can radically change it's message to fit the desire to gain power;
Before the Civil Rights movement, the Republican Party made little comment on the abortion issue and, overall, supported it's legalization. It wasn't until the failure of the republican party in opposing desegregation that the whole movement took hold. It's generally viewed that the republicans were looking for a new issue, ANY issue, they could unify behind. This just happened to be the one they focused on and thus changed policy over.
Okay guys lets have a good healthy debate, I have heard about Sara Palin, what are your views on her leaving, did the media drive her away, the attacks on her family, or she just couldnt cut it. I am not doing a Poll not everyone likes them, so come on we all love a good debate.I believe she is thinking about her family and knows that if it has been difficult to cope with now it would get worse as the next 3 years go by. I cant blame her she has a great family to think about.and it must affect them.What do you all think.?
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