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Macafem Work?

by Wellness_Seeker, May 07, 2009 01:38AM
Hi Everyone.  How are you?  I'm new to this board and am hoping that you ladies can help me.  I am thinking about trying macafem supplements and wondered if you have tried them and if you got an results?  How long did it take to start working?  I'm at the end of my rope and need to get some help fast!  I'm currently 42 years old and started into menopause around the age of 38.  I'm not sure if I have "normal" meno symptoms or not but I have been tested and that's what it is.  I am freezing cold all thur the day [yes I have had thyroid tested its normal] and than at night I'm so hot I can't sleep!  I have gained 60 pounds over the last year and a half [thinking it's due to lack of sleep as well as chocolate cravings that are unbearable!]  I have no sex drive at all, in fact I got married a year and a half ago and we have had sex once - that is not like me at all - before meno I had a high sex drive!  But the biggest issue for me with meno is the tiredness I have.  I am just so tired I can't do anything!  And I mean nothing - I lost my job about 6 months ago because I just couldn't do the job due to being so tired!  I have been to tons of doctors and they all say it will get better when you get peri - I can't wait that long!  I looked into going with BHRT but the cost for the first visit with labs would be about 1000.00 and not covered by my insurance!  I just don't know what to do anymore.  I read some great things about macafem and am thinking about trying it but before I order it at about 30.00 I would like others thoughts.  Any ideas or info you can give me would be great.  Thanks and have a great day  ~  Wellness_Seeker
Member Comments (53)

by HotandHeavy, May 26, 2009 09:41PM
To: Wellness_Seeker
Hi Wellness_Seeker
I am 59 yrs old.   Started menopause about 2 1/2 yrs ago.   Went on HRT.   First month gained 30lbs second month gained 10lbs.  This happened exactly when my daughter got married.   I looked and felt horrible.   Anyway I stayed on HRT for a little over two years as the menopause symptoms were too terrible otherwise.   I have been off the HRT now for about two months and the symptoms are back with a vengeance.   Hot flashes, sleepless nights, no libido and just plain miserable.   I was hoping the weight would come off when I went off the HRT but no such luck.   So searched the internet for a more natural way to cope with menopause and hopefully lose this weight.   I purchased macafem and Estrothin.   I have been on both for about a month and see no difference.   I have not lost a pound and the hot flashes are as hot as ever and still no libido.   I have three more bottles to go, so I am hoping that it will kick in yet.   But I am afraid it is just another gimmick and money grab because if it did work then every body would be on it.   I will let you know how it goes.     For now I would save my money and I will let you know how it goes.    So far not so good.
Hot and Heavy

by cc101, May 27, 2009 07:53AM
To: Wellness_Seeker
My suggestions;

Lose the weight no matter what - those extra pounds are making the symptoms worse, trust me. The only excuse for not exercising is no excuse - I had/have menppause symptoms worse that anything I have ever read about, but working out HARD at least a hour a day (I do two) is the very best remedy for almost all of the menopause symptoms. There is absolutely no reason (unless you have an incurrable condition) that would keep pounds on you or symptoms raging if you made the exercise you biggest priority.

As for Macafem? All depends on how low your estrogen levels are; have you been tested? If not you want to do that to see where your levels are falling.

Go to; http://www.power-surge.com this site is THE ONLY one you should be going to on a daily basis for literally every question, concern, and answer about menopause - there's nothing better on the Internet.

Sorry to be hard about the weight stuff, but honestly too many women want an excuse to not experience the work and discomfort that comes when you first start a serious workout program, but really if you don't, you're not being honest about your weaknesses and giving up - take control, get your butt outside or to the gym every single day and you well feel better!

by Wellness_Seeker, May 27, 2009 05:19PM
To: HotandHeavy
Thanks for the support - its nice to know I'm not alone in all this.  I ordered the macafem and have been taking it for about two weeks now - let's hope it works for us both :-)

Best of luck to you

by Wellness_Seeker, May 27, 2009 05:26PM
To: cc101
Thanks for your thoughts - I don't think you understood my posting - I don't need some telling me that I am lazy and that I need to get off my butt and exercise.  At the age of 37 I started a diet and exercise routine and lost 110 pounds.  I have done marathons and was in training for a 100 mile bike ride/race - so lazy I am not!  I didn't start having this issue of tiredness until about a year ago and than it was down hill - I have lost everything because I am to tired to do anything!  I lost my job and last week my husband walked out on me.  Now I am going to loss my home because I can't afford to stay here!  I'm not using menpause as an excuse to be lazy and not exercise I was in meno for 3 years before this hit - I have been to dozens of doctors will little to no help from them.  I'm not a stupid of lazy person so please don't treat me as if I am.  Again thanks for your thoughts - to bad they have to cut people to the bone!

by cc101, May 28, 2009 07:41AM
To: Wellness_Seeker
You're not cutting me to the bone, just reacting negatively to something candid a poster wrote and that's absolutely your option and right to do. I believe 100% that serious menopause symptoms can be reduced dramatically with aggressive exercise daily - its been proven. I do not insinuate that you are at all lazy as I do not have a history of your daily habits, but I do hear (and I'm asked so much because I teach) from countless women wanting to know how to feel better, yet they would prefer a pill or any excuse to remedy their weight gain instead of just doing the really hard work to get it off. And to do so would relieve so much discomfort in so many other areas of a person's life, its just amazing how it all starts to get alittle better the harder you push.

The exhaustion is a very real issue with peri and menopause, but you'd be surprised, on your most sickly, exhaustive day, that's the day to push yourself to get out and get your heart rate pumping - it helps the exhaustion so much because the adrenals are moving and that helps you feel less tired...

Sounds to me like you are in a crisis situation in a number of areas and I'm sorry you're going through what you are - kind of lame to preach positive attitude and prosperity thinking I know, but just by writing down all the negatives you have going on or perceive them to occur, to me, is asking the Universe to bring more of that to you - I'll gt off my soap box now and wish you all the best in your pursuit to feeling better and overcoming your current challenges.

by HotandHeavy, May 28, 2009 09:04AM
To: cc101
I can tell you have read the same books as I have and believe in sending out positive energy.  

I do have to comment on the advice you are giving at the moment.    When I gained the 40lbs in two months you do not know how hard I was exercising and dieting.   It was my daughters wedding and I wanted to look good.   I am also a farm lady and I stress lady as I don't want you to think I am some dumb hick.  I work very hard everyday.  Lots and lots of physical labor.   In summer I get up at 6am and I go till midnight most days.   I really watch what I eat and I still manage to fit in my tread mill for an hour.   I am not saying that exercise is not good for you, what I am saying is that it is not the answer to menopause symptoms nor weight gain.  

Sounds to me the Wellness Seeker is having it really bad.   I don't know how my husband puts up with me.    I sleep with the window open at night and even in the winter.   Poor guy is sleeping with his cloths on, electric blanket and still freezing and I am laying in the nude with no covers on.   I have also gone outside and stood in the snow with my bare feet and no cloths on.  (we are on farm so nobody can see me, if they did its not a very pleasant sight at 40lbs overweight).   I feel sorry for Wellness Seeker that she had such a selfish husband to leave her at this time of GREAT need.
Maybe that is why alot of men cheat, have mistresses or leave their wives because of this damn menopause.    I have zero libido and I used to love having sex with my husband.   But I feel dead inside.    

I also feel it is a crime that in this day and age and there is no help for this damn menopause.   Yet they invent Viagra for men so they can find a younger women because wifey sure is not in the mood.

A site like this helps knowing you are not alone.   Woman are looking for help.   So its hard when someone tells you it is your fault because you don't exercise enough or your not eating right.    Maybe things are working for you, but it isn't for me and it sure isn't for Wellness Seeker.    I have a mother who that never went through menopause and she has no sympathy or understanding and lots of negative advice.   Its hard to take.  

Hot and Heavy    

by HotandHeavy, May 28, 2009 09:31AM
To: Wellness_Seeker
You really do sound like your in a bad place.    To go through menopause is bad enough without your whole world falling apart.    Have your heard of Bio Identical Hormone's.  It is suppose to be more natural with a woman's body.   I watched it on TV and I bought the book by Susanne Summers.    Sounds very promising and I very much wanted to go on it.   But of course I live where no doctor wants anything to do with it.   I have gone to five.    The reason why is because the chemical companies can't patten it and they can't make money off of it.   I don't know where you live, but see if you can find out if any doctor will do it for you.   You hear nothing but good reviews about it.  

I still see no improvement with the Macafem yet.    But to be fair,  I have been on HRT for two and a half years and they say that HRT stops your own body from producing its own hormones and becomes dependent on this chemical stuff.   If you read on the Macafem, which you probably did if you ordered it,  Macafem is suppose to get your own body working into producing its own hormones.   So I think it will take awhile.   Again, that is if this stuff works.   Time will tell.    

I'm sorry your husband walked out on you.    You are in a very bad place right now.  Is there anybody that can help you.   Do you have a Dr. Phil in your life, or could you find somebody.   You need somebody to talk to and you can't go this alone.   I have read some excellent books, but I don't think your ready to curl up with a good book, you need a good friend,  doctor or parent.  

Wish there was something more I could tell you, but if I had the answers I would be doing it myself.  

Hot and Heavy

by Wellness_Seeker, May 28, 2009 12:56PM
To: HotandHeavy
Thank you again for the support - its a comfort just knowing their are others like me :-)  I have read and heard about bio identicals and even called several doctors to see about going on them.  I have the same problem you do - I live in a very small town [less than 3000 people] and no doctor will touch bio identicals!  I did find a doctor in a city about 150 miles away from me that would take me on but when I found out the costs involved - well lets just say I can't take a second morgage on the house for them!  They quoted me prices of about $1000.00 every two to three months for testing and doctor visits and the bio-identicals could cost in the neighborhood of $100.00 give or take - that's just way to much money right now - money I don't have and money that I need to pay my morgage!

Thanks for the help with cc101 - I'm sure she meant well - I just overreacted I'm sure but it's not like I enjoy living my life like this.  The exhuastion and weight gain have cost me my life my enjoyment my goals [the 100 mile bike ride/race] that's not something exercise can fix!

As for having a 'Dr. Phil' in my life - yes I am very lucky that I have my mother and my younger sister - though they don't understand this whole meno thing as sis hasn't gone through it yet and mom never had problems - but still they listen to me and give hugs when I need them  :-)

As for my husband - well I guess if this is the kind of person he wants to be than I don't want him!  I'm sure most of it for me right now is anger and I'm sure in time that will change and I will feel bad that he's gone but right my thoughts are to hell with him!

I wished I could make you feel better as you have me but I have nothing to offer in that area - sorry  :-)  I do hope the macafem starts to work for us both - that would be great if it did than maybe we both could get back to the life we had before meno!

Thanks again HotandHeavy for the support and comforting words - I can tell you that your husband is lucky to have such a great lady - and I do mean LADY!  :-)

by HotandHeavy, May 29, 2009 02:13PM
To: Wellness_Seeker
WOW! On the cost of Bio identicals.    I guess I won't be looking anymore for a Doctor, as can't afford that either.  

As for cc101, I didn't mean to scare her off either.   I just get real defensive when someone says anything about diet, exercise and menopause.   I went to five doctors and all five doctors said the same thing.  I am either eating too much or not exercising enough.   It has to be hormonal, it has to be.   How can you all of a sudden gain 40lbs in two months and in places you have never gained before.  

I have doubled my Macafem for over a week now.    Still nothing.    Still hoping.

Glad to hear you have some support.    

Wish there was an answer to the menopause but I guess there is nothing.    I have read and searched everywhere.    This is suppose to be the best years of my life, well give me back my periods, cramps and the years that I guess were not the best years of my life.  

If I see an improvement in the Macafem I will let you know.  

Hot and Heavy

by JL56, Jun 02, 2009 10:24AM
Hot and Heavy:

Sounds like you may need a more intensive work-up on your thyroid done.  The tiredness that you are speaking of, along with the weight gain may be symptoms of a sluggish thryoid or one that is failing and working sometimes, but not others.  A blood test isn't always a true indicator of a thyroid malfunction.  Have you had an ultrasound done on it?  Have you tried an endocrinologist for it?  I'd bet that something is amiss in your thyroid function somewhere.  

by HotandHeavy, Jun 03, 2009 09:54AM
To: JL56
I had my thyroid checked two years ago through blood tests.   Doctor said it was fine.   Had ultra sound for fibroid's a few years back.   They found three the size of small oranges.    I was told they would go away when my periods stopped.   Well I haven't had a period in about two and a half years.   So I am assuming they are gone.   Only reason I had ultra sound at that time was because of heavy heavy periods.    What is an endocrinologist?   Do you think I should go back for more blood tests?

Yesterday I went to see a neighbor.   Her daughter had come over and she said she takes melatonin for sleeping and said it works great.   She gave me a few to try.   I tried one last night but still never slept.   I am going to try two tonight.   I looked it up on internet as I don't want to just take whatever.   It sounds promising, so I am hopeful.   I also read that if you are not sleeping you have a tendency to gain weight.   Well isn't that just hunky dory,   I am already 40lbs overweight, I don't need to be gaining more.    So I weighted myself this morning and sure enough I have gained another two lbs.   I would make another doctors appointment today for blood tests, but will wait to hear from you first as I am so fed up with doctors.  

Thanks very much for answering.  I have been on an other site and tried to start a post, but the woman seem to ignore my post and talk to each other.     I tried several times and it seems like I never even posted.   I am not good at the computer at all.  So at first I thought my posts were not going through, but when I back tracked you can see my post along with theirs.   I have given up on almost everything and trying to cope with this on my own.  Not working very well, but I am a survivor.     I have a very  understanding husband, but I feel it is not fair to him either.   I have been going on my treadmill everyday, really watching what I eat and trying like crazy to be happy.   But I am so tired.    I am usually a very strong person.   We farm and I farm side by side with my husband.   I put in long days so I am not a lazy person.   But now I am just going through the motions.   I don't feel like myself.  

Sorry for making this so long.   I don't mean to sound like a pitty party.    I guess  I just needed someone to talk to.  

Hot and Heavy

by bluehue, Aug 13, 2009 06:04AM
To: hotandheavy
I just read these posts and I was wondering how you are doing.  There are a few things that helped me that I would like to share.  Extra magnesium, up to 400 mg a day, helped me to sleep. I bought it in combination with calcium  in a pill. On really sleepless nights, I added the melatonin or some valerian.  Progest, a progesterone cream that I bought at the local health food store, helped improve my libido.  DHEA, 25 mg, helped with the brain fuzziness. Tryptophan, called 5 HTP, 100 mg,helped improve my mood.  B- 12, in the pill that dissolves under your tongue, helped with increasing my energy.  Most all of this stuff can be bought at Walmart.  Also, I found that my nails were breaking and splitting, so now I take biotin too.  It's quite a line up of pills in the morning, but all of it has helped and is cheaper than bio-hormones.   Good luck, and let me know how the Macafem is working.

by Pres0081, Aug 13, 2009 06:52AM
To: HotandHeavy
You poor dear! I never believed my mother when she would complain about menopause... until now!

With me, it's a little different. I was "induced" into menopause as a treatment for severe Endometriosis. I have been on a shot called Depo Lupron with add back therapy which includes 2 hormone pills. The shot is once a month and costs 600$. One of the pills is 100$ per month... all without insurance coverage. So right now, I'm PAYING to experience menopause... crazy right?! lol

I have the hot flashes, wakes me up at night. Then I freeze! No appetite except for horrible chocolate cravings. Migraines like you wouldn't believe. I don't sleep what so ever! No sex drive either. I haven't gained any weight but that's because I have CONSTANT unbearable nausea. I've been off work for 4 months. I need help cleaning up the apartment or doing groceries. I'm just not myself and I hate it.

I have tried melantonin, it didn't work for me. Some say that if you get it in the liquid form, it can help but makes you a little more groggy. The health food stores also have natural meds that can help. Some even say that Gravol can help with the sleeplessness, you can take up to 2 every 4 hours or you can get the long lasting ones that last 12 hours. try to get something natural. It's less expensive and kind of better for you. I've always had this theory that for every pill (prescription), there's a side effect.... which means another pill to help that and the vicious cycle begins!

Changing your diet can also help. I'm not gonna give you a lecture about losing weight but there is certain foods that reduce the side effects. For me, I watch out for dairy products and meats because of the hormone levels. For the hot flashes, take a warm shower, not hot, before going to bed. If you're a smoker, which I doubt seeing you're a marathon lady, DO NOT SMOKE B4 BED!!! Also, try to do something relaxing b4 bed. No tv. My mom told me this... she says that bedtime is the time that women take to reflect about things especially mothers and this can turn into worry and stress. You can try yoga and meditation. I was "iffy" about it but it was a great way to relax and to meet other ppl.

If you feel alone and can afford it, adopt a pet. It changed my life. I have great company now. My dog lets me cry and vent all the time without complaining about it lol

Ok that's quite the email! Well I hope that my menopause experience can help in any way possible. If we can't help physically, we are always here emotionally!!! Oh, I almost forgot the funny part... I'm 23 years old... funny eh?! I'll get to experience all of these wonderful menopause things TWICE in my lifetime lol

Keep your head up and keep us posted!!!

by witchey, Aug 21, 2009 03:58AM
To: hot and heavy
i stumbled upon this thread  and it is a relief to know that others experience some of the same symptoms.  what i also found interesting is all the time  wasted on western medical drs.  i have not engaged in western medicine since my daughter was born over 30 years ago, and i'm happy to hear my decision was right. i have been going to an acupuncturist/herbalist for about 10 years now (mostly digestion and general support). i am soon to be 52 and have been having what i now realize to be minor menopause symptoms . i guess the 5 lbs i have gained in the last year  and the occasional anxiety (which goes away after one treatment) is minor  compared to what i read here. i encourage anyone reading this , that is experiencing menopause problems to find a good accupuncturist. i don't know what my estrogen levels are, and i don't care, because accupuncture treats you  according to how you feel.  thank you for all your post. i was 2nd guessing my decision to to abandon western medicine and thought if i was ever to go to a dr, it would be for menopause....... now i know i have made the right  choice and i can't wait to go get needles tomorrow!!

by gakat61, Aug 21, 2009 07:51AM
To: Hot and Heavy
I recently went through hormonal testing -- I am definitely in menopause and on supplements. In the week and 1/2 since I was told, I have changed what I eat. I was told I was estrogen dominant -- so I have had to research to find what does not need to be in my diet and what I need to do. I am also going to the gym and working out. I've always been an active person -- but there's days that I don't feel like going. I push myself to go now more than ever. I've decided to proactive and take it w/ a sense of humor, the right foods, and exercise. Good luck.  

by peggy64, Aug 21, 2009 05:09PM
Hot and heavy,

I thought I was reading my posts. I have not slept over 2 hours at a time in over 4 years, felt like I was losing my mind. I had thyroid, adrenal and peri meno problems.

I have been taking bio identical hormones for 5 months now, and am just starting to feel a little bit out of the mental fog, and a dense fog it was.  It is about 150.00 a month.

I have also just started taking maca magic, which is a maca product, so we shall see if it helps me any.  I just don't know what to do anymore. Its like I just have to wait until all these glands heal and respond to the treatment, which I was told it will take a very long time.

But, you are most definitely not alone.

by HotandHeavy, Aug 22, 2009 11:15AM
To: Everybody
Hello Everybody

I just got back from a ten day trip to visit relatives and was pleasnantly
surprised to see I had replies to my posts.   I had almost given up.  

Yes it does make make one feel better that I am not alone in this endless suffering.   I am still not sleeping, nor losing any weight.   I tried the Macafem for three months and it did nothing at all.   So ladies, save your money, it is just another money grab.   If you read up on it, it sounds too good to be true and it was.  

I have been taking the calcium and magnesium and it hasn't helped with the sleep.   I am still taking it for bones and general health.

I will try the Progest.   Next time I go to city I will get some.   If this works and I get my sex drive back it will be nice, but right now it is the last thing I am interested in.   A night of deep sleep is what I am after.  

On the Bio Identical Hormones,  what I have read is that they do the same thing as HRT but they are natural.   Well, I read that it still prolongs the process.   That you have to be on it forever.   As soon as you go off of it you have to go through menopause anyway.  I also read that you get your periods back.   That part is a toss up for me.  I hate periods and glad they are gone, but if I had periods and not the menopause symptoms I think I would take the periods.   I read that a woman in her 80's was still getting her periods but she said she felt great and wouldn't go off the Bio Identical Hormones.
                                                                                       Peggy64, you said you were on Bio for five months now and you are just starting to feel different.   Well then, why are you trying Maca.   To me this tells me Bio is not working?   You should of saw relief almost right away with Bio, or so I have read???  I watched the whole thing on the Dr Phil show.   His wife is on them and swears by it.  So is Oprah.   I am still hesitant as I don't believe anything I watch on TV.   You on the other hand being on it for five months I believe.   Did you get your period back?   Are you sleeping good?   Are you losing weight?  How's the libido?  Do you recommend it?
I can't find anybody around here, but I kind of gave up as I got scared off that it only prolongs the inevitable.   Plus getting period at 80 doesn't sound appealing.   I also read that you better of going through the natural process when you are younger than when you are in your 80's or 90's as we can handle it better.    

I was thinking of going back to my doctor.   Maybe get my thyroid checked one more time.    He is against Bio Identical Hormones.  He thinks I am crazy not to be on HRT but said it was my choice.  Sometimes I am tempted to go back on it just to get some sleep but I am so scared of more weight gain and the thought of prolonging the natural process scares me.  

As for acupuncture.   I had tried it many years ago for an aliment I had and it did nothing.   Then when I did all this research on menopause it said for most people it did nothing.   If it worked I am sure you would of heard more women testify to the fact.   So far, whatever I have read nobody has a cure and cure is not the right word as you don't want to cure menopause you just ant relief.  

Thanks to all who replied to my posts.   KInd of lifts my spirits even if there is no relief.    Like I said before, I am a survivor,   Nobody has ever died from menopause and no I take that back.   I heard they found a woman frozen on her door step in her pj's.   They said they didn't know why she was out there, well I sure do. I have been there myself, with my feet in the snow, feeling just wonderful.  

Hot and Heavy

by CydRose, Aug 22, 2009 06:03PM
To: Everyone
I'm so happy to have have found you guys. I feel so miserable and I'm afraid I will never feel that I will ever live a normal life again. I can't believe there is nothing that can make us feel good again - I know there are women who think things will get better after menopause - but there is no such thing! These horrible symptoms are forever. I know that a woman's body is super complicated and sometimes making one thing better causes another thing to be worse. I hate being given the option of shortening my lifespan by taking hormones and risking cancer and a myriad of other problems or living a better quality of life in the "time I have left" by minimizing the night sweats and other horrors. I have always said that if men experienced menopause, there would be a pill to fix it in no time flat!

by HotandHeavy, Aug 23, 2009 10:15AM
To: CydRose
I feel the same way you do.  I have read and researched to the pointed of exhaustion on menopause.  I have tried almost every natural pill out there and I am still trying new pills. I have spent a ton of money trying everything I can.  So far there is nothing that helps.  I never gave that ad on TV much thought, just laughed at the old men and the Viagra.   Well now that I have been in menopause for a couple years I get furious.   I am 59 years old.  Those men on TV look older than me.   Well with menopause the last thing I am interested is sex.  So you mean to tell me you invented a pill so my husband wants sex even more.   This does not make sense.  (my husband doesn't use it, I am making an example).   I also saw on TV the other day they found a cure for Prostrate Cancer.    It is a tiny instrument they insert in a man and they can zap the exact spot without damaging any other area.   Yes this is wonderful and great for any woman whose husband has Prostrate Cancer.   But again it shows you that everything is about the man.  If they would find help for menopause then wifey will be happy and everybody will be happy.  

I dread going to bed at night as I know I won't sleep.   I toss and turn all night long.   Covers on covers off.  I have fan blowing continuously.   Mornings are worse as now I  have to drag my tired body out of bed.  

So I am with you 100% in the misery department.   I don't have a normal life either.   There is nothing out there to relieve the symptoms,  if there was you would of heard about it loud and clear by every suffering woman.  

I wouldn't try the HRT though.   I did that for two years.   Gained 40lbs in two months.   My doctor told me that it was what I was eating.  Well if your read my earlier posts I don't believe that as I am active and really watch what I eat.   I have been off HRT for about five months now and I have lost about 12lbs and by not doing anything different.   I want to lose more and get back to where I was and hope it still happens.   But believe me as much as I hate the weight gain,  I would keep the stupid weight just to get rid of the symptoms.   that's how bad it is.    Now what woman out there would say something like that.   We live in a very judgmental society.   We are judged by the way we look not by who we are.   Sad really.   But that is a whole different story.

So CydRose,  I hear you in your suffering.   I wish I knew how long it lasts.   At least then maybe we have something to look forward to.   Right now it all feels so hopeless and endless.   My mother never went though it at all.  She is one of the lucky ones but by her not going through it she does not understand me at all and has no sympathy at all.  She also was one of those ladies that had easy child births and no period cramps or problems.   Go figure.   Thought we took after our mothers.  

I also agree with you that  taking one pill causes something else.   Read the book by Justin Tuedau on What they don't want you to know.    Sometimes I wish I never read the book.   Now I don't trust any Doctor, Pharmaceutical Company,  or Chemical company.   They are all in it together and they are in for profits.   They want us sick, fat and needy.   They give you a pill to relieve one thing only to make you sick so you have to take another pill later on.  

Ha, I just thought of something, maybe we are the cause of global warming.   Not funny I know.



  

by CydRose, Aug 23, 2009 02:00PM
To: HotandHeavy
I feel like I have found a kindred spirit. Also - you are FUNNY! I, too, have taken responsibility for my healthcare and well-being - many things I have seen over the past few years with family members (plus the wisdom that comes with getting older)  have convinced me that you need to really pay attention to what's going on and be an advocate for yourself and your family. I believe I'm as informed as I can be about menopause - I too have read and researched everything - it's tricky to find understandable and helpful facts especially since it seems nothing is known for sure and that every woman's body and health situations are so different. What bothers me alot is the statement that goes ... the symptoms of menopause are thought to be caused by a drop in estrogen levels etc etc etc. THOUGHT to be? Don't they KNOW yet? And if not, is anyone looking for another cause? And maybe the way to relieve the most miserable symptoms isn't to try to replace hormones - given that this is such a delicate balance and all kinds of other body systems are effected when you mess with them. There has to be a way to figure out that body temperature regulation thing independent of hormones ... there is no way that is normal!!! I don't think most men get night sweats - and they only  have a teeny amount of estrogen. Night sweats are so horrible and disruptive - no one can know unless they have experienced it - you can't even believe it yourself! I know that we need to find a cure for cancer, diabetes, heart disease and alot of other things that cause suffering, but can't we find some research money for menopause? Afterall, it effects to one extent or another at least 1/2 of the population - and by extention, the entire population because men have to live with us. As you said, except possbily for the woman found frozen outside, no one ever died from menopause - but what a way to have to live. When I see ads showing silver-haired couples laughing and sailing away, whitewater rafting, running thru the surf, sightseeing, holding hands across the 2 bathtubs (what's that all about?), I think there's something even more wrong with me - I'm not THAT happy - I thought this stage of my life would be wonderful - all of those stresses, worries and things that don't matter would be in the past and yes, these would be the best years. People remind me that life isn't fair. Yes. I know. It never has been. I'm not asking for the moon. I just want an entire night's deep and restful sleep. Well - that's not all, really, but it would be a good start.

When you were on HRT, did you try something with some testosterone in it? I was on estratest HS and in addition to really helping with night sweats and hot flashes, it helped to minimize any weight gain and helped a bit with libido - maybe you could talk to your doctor about this - I know they've stopped manufacturing this specific medication, but there are other brands, even some generics. You'll need to take progesterone separately if you still have your uterus, but if you've had a hysterectomy, I think you can just take that. This was a godsend for me, the only problem is that I can't handle the progesterone and estrogen alone causes the wall of the uterus to get too thick and these cells can become cancerous. So - there you have it - some choices we have, huh?

I've heard that the latest alternative for women who can't or don't want to take hormone replacements, is antidepressants. Guess they think we just want to go thru the rest of our lives in a drug-induced fog - still have the symptoms, don't care. I didn't spend my teenage years in a haze and I want to actually feel and live this phase, too!

When I started to go thru menopause, I wondered why nobody warned me or told me what it was like - I thought it would be truly helpful to let young women know what to expect so they weren't caught so off-guard like we were. Now I know why no one tells anyone anything. First, not everyone goes thru this the same way; Second, there's nothing you can do about it; Third - it would be cruel. What I do say is to enjoy every minute of your life. Wear bathing suits. Wear lots of different hairstyles. Go everywhere. Do everything.  Good advice for us, too, I guess.

by peggy64, Aug 23, 2009 05:48PM
I don't know what I am going to do about the BHRT. I have thought about going on synthetic hormones. There is only one dr here that RX them and she was pure evil. So I am not going back to her, and will have to go about 100 miles so I don't know. I've gained 20 lbs since I've been on them, I know that.

My thyroid is messed up which contributes to the miserable mix. Oh I just want it to end.
I just need some sleep, without all the adrenaline rushes all night long.

by HotandHeavy, Aug 24, 2009 12:38PM
Peggy                                                                                                                                 Since I have been off HRT I  have lost about 12 to 13 lbs.    So there has to be something to it.    I do know that if you go on BHRT you will get your periods back.   If you don't mind that then it sounds wonderful.   What I read though as soon as you go off of it you have to go through menopause anyway.     So I don't know if it is worth it or not?
I read that a woman in her 80's was still getting her periods because of BHRT but she felt so great that she would never go off of it.   I am on the fence here.   I feel so miserable, with no sleep at all, hot flashes that are so hot that I can't find a cool spot left on the bed.   Ice water and spritz bottle to spray me with fan blowing all night.   I get up in the morning and my eyes are red as can be.   This cannot be healthy.   A person can't go forever without sleep.  
Sorry but I don't have any answers as I am in the same boat.  
CydRose
I still have my uterus so had to be on both.   No I did not try testosterone as my doctor never mentioned anything to me about it and not that I did not complain to him about my symptoms.   I don't want to go back on HRT as I have been off of it for six months  and don't want to start on square one again. Plus I have lost 12lbs and it proves to me that the HRT had something to do with it.   I am praying that this will end soon.   If what I read is true then when you are in menopause not perimenopause it is only two years.   Well hopefully I have a year and a half.   Please please don't come back to me and tell me I read this wrong.   I am banking on this.  I read that perimenopause can last up to 10 years or more but menopause is only up to two years.    I don't know if I can last another year and a half without sleep but have no choice.  
I too see the ads on the golden years and wonder where do I fit in.   I have such a great husband but he too wonders what is going on and why?   what is the purpose of menopause.   Men on pause.  I don't want to put my husband on pause.   I want to do the things these ads on TV show us.   I want to love, laugh and have good times.   We both have earned it and now it seems we are being punished instead of rewarded.   Oh this way to depressing, isn't it.    

Lets hope we find a miracle.   I know it I find one I will share it with every woman I know.  

by CydRose, Aug 24, 2009 05:10PM
To: HotandHeavy
Too depressing - you're right - let's talk about other things...what type of farming do you and your husband do? It sounds like you have a wonderful life together. Tell me about your daughter's wedding. I'm sure you were a beautiful mother-of-the-bride - you know we're our own worst critics. We're in Pennsylvania and although many people have been complaining about the cool and strange Summer we've had, to me it has been nearly perfect (except for the grey and gloomy days - HATE those!! need SUN!!). I can always tell Fall is near despite the weather or calendar, though, by what I call "the gathering" - thousands of starlings congregate in our trees and on our hillsides - if it weren't so fascinating, it might be scary. I noticed a few around this morning, so I guess it won't be long. Wishing you (and all other posters) pleasant dreams and a few solid hours of sleep....

by kesta, Aug 25, 2009 02:39PM
To: Everyone
Hi,
I am using Menersa for menopausal symptoms and I use Seredyn for sleep.  The Seredyn also helps with anxiety.  I, too, gained over 40 pounds in less than 2 months.  That was 3 years ago and I am having such a hard time with losing weight.  I'm 55 now.  My knees are messed up due to the extra weight so it is hard to get out and walk, etc.  But I am going to use my walking poles and walk on rolling surfaces so my knees will hold out.  Every 1 pound of weight lost is 4 pounds of pressure off of one's knees.  Cool.  Also, breathing properly helps with energy.  Try to breath into your abdomen, it sounds silly but it works.  I also use hand weights.  Ground flax seed on your food (a few tablespoons a day) will be a big help too...or you could use fish oil capsules or flax seed capsules.  The extra omega 3s help with menopausal symptoms.  I can't use the fish oil as I belch it up and that is truly awful.  I was so tired I was falling asleep at all hours of the day.  My thyroid was off and after a week of my doc bumping up my thyroid medication I'm AWAKE again.  It's amazing.  I have been on the Menersa for just over a month and I believe it  has helped to even me out.  I tried the Maca and it didn't do anything for me but it sure did something for a friend's husband! :)   I'm reading the book Younger Next Year for Women and it is fantastic!  It's a fun read too.  I am so sorry that everyone on this board is experiencing many of the same symptoms.  Blech!  This menopausal stuff really rots.  But, it is a natural event in our lives and we must deal with it - $#@@!!! - anyway I, too, believe in sending and receiving positive energy.  It beats the alternative!  Good luck and good feelings everyone.

by CydRose, Aug 25, 2009 04:08PM
To: kesta
Hi, Kesta

Your post underscores the fact that we are all different and what works for one of us might not work for another! I'm so glad you have found a way to manage the postmenopausal symptoms you experience - wish there was one magic way for all of us, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I think trial and error is probably the way we figure it out - there's so much out there suggesting so many things from the commonsense to the bizzare. Women really need to be careful - some of these are harmless and just don't work but some can really mess you up! The most wonderful thing is if you have a doctor who knows you, is up-to-date on current thinking and will work with you to make sure you feel as good as you can. Even if we didn't have these extra problems to deal with, you're right, at this stage in our lives especially, it makes sense to eat right, exercise body and brain daily and try to keep worry, fear and anxiety at bay. I get the feeling from reading the posts here that most of us are positive people who love and enjoy life and never complain. I think when you happen upon a forum like this, you feel such relief that you're not alone - seems like we all hope that someone posts the perfect solution, but if not, at least we can share what we feel that we might not want to burden those close to us with. I think the anonymity of something like this lets you open up in a way you never would otherwise. So, ladies, I appreciate you putting up with my whining!

As far as weight gain is concerned, I did gain weight when going thru menopause - that 12 month stretch following the last period - that was without being on any medication - just my body changing. I remember thinking as I lay in bed in pools of sweat that being so burning hot should burn up the calories.  I have been able to lose most of that and maintain a fairly healthy weight since, but it is really hard. I have been postmenopausal for about 7 years (I just turned 61) and have been on HRT (very very low dose) - it works wonderfully for me - my problem is that I can't take progesterone and I now have to undergo a D&C due to endometrial thickening - but my doctor monitors me and I have ultrasounds every 6 months. I did recently wean myself off the hormones so that I didn't have this worry about uterine cancer - my night sweats returned with a vengeance and hot flashes were worse that they had ever been. So - it is what it is. My understanding is that even though symptoms will ease for some women, most of us will have them for the rest of our lives - is that what you have been told?

I know that I am very lucky - I'm very healthy, I have a wonderful family, I have a dog who thinks I hung the moon, we're not bankrupt nor in foreclosure (even though we will have to work longer than we really thought we would) and I'm pretty happy most of the time.  So, yes, let's continue to send out good vibes, happy thoughts and good wishes to each other - we're all in this together! I want all of us to really enjoy healthy and happy lives!

by HotandHeavy, Aug 26, 2009 12:09PM
To: Everyone
Yes I believe strongly in sending out positive vibes.    I am also very happy to have a site like this that we can tell each other our problems, which sounds all so much  the same.   I try not to complain or show my discomfort to my husband, family or friends as it only makes everybody else miserable too.  

I am basically a happy person.    I am also a person that has worked hard all my life and enjoy seeing results for my efforts.   So when something like menopause hits,  I want to find a way to fix it and make it better.    Not finding a solution is upsetting.  You would think in this day and age there would be something.   As one of you ladies put it,  half the population of the world is inflected by it.    But then again, the other half are men and it is a man's world.  

CdyRose

We farm in Canada.    We are strictly grain farmers.   I had three children, two sons and one daughter.   Both boys are not interested in farming and have jobs elsewhere.  One son still helps out whenever he can.   So my husband and I farm on our own.   Life has been good and raising children on the farm was the best.   They all turned out great. We are both at the age now that we would like to slow down and enjoy some of the the fun things you see on the TV ads.   So we will see what the next few years bring.   Right now our crops are about a month behind.   We had a very late spring, and then a cool summer.   Crops are still green where they should be ripe.   Last year this time we were combining already.    I hope we have a long fall with no frost.   I repeat that, WE WILL have a long fall and no frost so we will get done in time.  Positive thinking, right?  Harvest is my favorite time of year.   I love combining.   It is rewarding to see your whole years work going into the bins.   As for my daughters wedding.   It was very beautiful.   We went to her in laws in Costa Rica.   Just the immediate family went.  Her in laws live in a mansion.   They drove us around and we had a great time.   Weather was beautiful and so was my daughter.   I could not ask for a better son in law either.   We took pictures of them on the beach and they turned out fantastic.   We had enough air miles saved for every bodies flight.   So that was even a bigger bonus.    Me on the other hand did not do so well the whole trip.   I had gained 40lbs.   My dress did not fit as I had to stretch it over my Buddha belly.    I had my periods so bad that I had bought diapers before I left.   You wear a diaper under summer cloths.    And talk about cloths.    I hardly had anything to wear as all the cloths I bought did not fit anymore.   So I had to buy something at the last minute and it was winter where I live there was nothing.    I found these flowered capri pants that fit and that was all.   I looked ridiculous but I had nothing else.   The only thing that kept me sane was the fact the wedding was not about me it was about my daughter.   But still,  it wasn't what I wanted for myself.   I had dieted and exercised like crazy because of the wedding only to be hit with a 40lb weight gain.   But you know what,  my daughter and son in law had a beautiful beautiful wedding.   The pictures turned out great.   They have one enlarged hanging above there bed.   It is long a narrow and it is of them walking on the beach.   Beautiful.   Lovely memory.   And I have a son in law that is the greatest.   It is now three years later and I now have a grandson.   He is five months old now.   I love being a grandma.    I make sure I go in at least once a week to see him.   He's a heavy little guy and sometimes I get a hot flash while holding him, but I still won't put him down.   Life is good.  So that is a little about me and my life.   And yes life is good.  

So I guess sending out positive vibes work as I am feeling good right now.  

Good luck and health to everybody.  

by sick and tired 47, Aug 26, 2009 06:15PM
To: all
If you are taking a poll put my vote in the box that perimenopause/menopause is NOT fun!!
  I take bioidentical hormones ( progesterone) and it has helped me somewhat. My sleep has decreased and had hormones rechecked and need to up doseage quite a bit so I praying this will help me get back to my old self quickly. I get my oral progesterone from a compounded pharmacist and it is about $50.00 a month ( not cheap, but wow has it helped).
I was taken off bioidentical progesterone for several months( per dr- ?? about other hormones levels) and I felt horrible. Anxiety, BAD insomnia, depression, ect.. not me at all. I laugh now and say they will pry my progesterone ( bioidentical) out of my cold dead fingers when I am gone... like the 80 year old lady.
  I am into natural supplements, big pharmacutical companies are not out for anyone but profit. Some meds wesometimes must take, but I believe God blessed us with herbal remedies- and isn't that what our ancestors used??
          Melatonin, 5 htp, magnesium, helps me sleep.
And thyroid hormones- TSH, FREE t4, FREE t3 must be checked. I had only TSH checked for  years and when Free T's were checked they were to low, very low.
Thyroid, female hormones, menopause all go together..... when one is off chances are more not normal.
I wish all you ladies sweet dreams and blessing for health. Hang in there, we WILL make it, it just how we travel on life's road.  Good luck all.
Great book is Susanne Somers- Ageless. She talks about all these issues.

by HotandHeavy, Aug 27, 2009 10:18AM
To: To: All
Sick and Tired

Did you get your period back and if so is it worth it.   I am on the fence about taking BHRT because of it.   I have or had three fibroid's the size of oranges   That is why I had to where diaper when I had my periods the flow was so bad.   Anyway, my doctor told me that as soon as my period stopped for good the fibroid's would shrink and go away naturalyl.   It was either wait for periods to stop or get hysterectomy.   I decided since I was the age I was I would wait.   So far I think I made the right decision.  Anyway, I am scared to go on BHRT because of getting fibroids back and having to wear diapers.  

All I want is to sleep at night.     Tried melatonin, doesn't help.   Tried calcium before bedtime, tried Omega oil before bedtime, tried warm baths, even bought a sauna as I read they help menopausal woman sleep, well it doesn't.   I even tried over the counter sleeping aids, they just made me groggier during the day.   I have tried every herbal remedy for menopause that they sell in health food stores.   Then I started buying off the internet.   Nothing has helped.   I have spent tons of money.   I  have been to five different doctors and specialists.  

I went to see a friend the other day.   She has taken courses in wellness and knowing your body.    She is in her forties.   She told me I should embrace my menopause.   Be happy about it,  feel it, enjoy it, and when ever I get a hot flash I should feel a release.    Well I just laughed and told her I was going to phone her at one, two, three etc in the morning and have her enjoy and embrace my hot flashes with me and help me to release it.   When I was in my forties and going through perimenopause I thought if this is menopause then I can endure this.   Yes I got hot and sweaty but not HOT FLASHES that wake you up at night.   That hit after my periods stopped completely.    I was in perimenopause for about 10 years.   Please don't get me wrong if anybody is feeling perimenopause horribly.  I am just stating how I felt.   I know there are ladies out there going through hell through perimenopause.    Maybe should count myself as lucky but I don't feel lucky at all I feel miserable.  

Please someone help me sleep.  

I too was told I could go on anti depressants.    Well, what kind of solution is that.  I am not depressed.   Get me hooked on some other damn drug, no thank you.   I have a friend that is trying like crazy to get off her anti depressants and she is going through hell.   It is like a drug addict going off drugs she has all the horrible withdrawal symptoms.   I take my cap off to her though as she is toughing it out.   She said if she knew it would do this to her she would never of taken it in the first place.   One ordeal for another.  

CdyRose

Like to hear from you and what you do and a little about your life.

Hot and Heavy

by CydRose, Aug 27, 2009 06:47PM
To: HotandHeavy
Hi HotandHeavy,

Boy, I really enjoyed reading about your life in Canada and a little about your family. While I read the way you described your daughter's wedding, her husband and your grandson, I could feel how much you love the life you and your husband have built. I know that there are many Americans who retire to Costa Rica, and always hearing about how beautiful it is, I have considered it myself - hard to leave the States, tho. I have been to Canada a few times and I think I have never met nicer and kinder people. Back in the olden days, my husband and I loved to go to Niagara on the Lake for a romantic weekend - we would always stay at the Prince of Wales and allow ourselves to feel like we were royalty, too. We always felt like we discovered it! We drove thru there a few years ago and it was so crowded and uncomfortable that we felt like we were at an amusement park - it made us really kind of sad. Even though we would love to go back, I don't know if we will. Plus - they make it so hard to get back into the States! The last time, we sat on the bridge for hours. I have not been to too many places there - my husband is the head coach for a dragonboat team and when they travel to Canada for competitions, sometimes I go along. We were planning a road trip for early Fall to New Brunswick, but we're going to have to postpone that for awhile. Anyway - what I do know about Canada, I really like!

I'm so sorry that this time of life seems so hard for some of us. I think if you are diagnosed with an illness, you learn to handle that and live with it - it's something concrete. This is like torture - "here - this is your life, now" there is no cure, relief, no end - you're not sick, you're just messed up. It makes me mad sometimes , but I don't know who to be mad at!

I think women who say "just be happy" "celebrate being a woman" etc etc about menopause do not have the same intensity of symptoms. I found a pattern to my night sweats - when you're lying there trying to recover from an episode, you have time to do things like that. I would have 4 each night, 2 hours apart - from the first second until the last, it was 4 minutes. I would be awake for 1 hour after each episode
- I would get severe chills that were also internal - nothing could make the shivering stop. So - this would mean maybe 4 hours of sleep - of course, it was not restful sleep - I don't think I ever got into REM sleep. Couple this with hot flashes surprising you throughout the day. I also had severe vaginal dryness, dry mouth which is really bad for your gums and weight gain that made my hips look like shelves.

I had friends who never had a menstrual cramp. They couldn't relate. I, like you, try to forgive though. I have learned that you can sympathize with people in many situations, hold their hands, listen with all your heart, but unless you have experienced something yourself, you really don't know what it's like. We have both said we are not complainers - I have a feeling you're like me - you take it in stride and handle it yourself. For people like us to speak about this, it has to be bad.

You are right when you say that if there were something that could be done for this, some pharma company would be making kazillions of dollars and everyone would know about it. Some of these companies prey on women who are desperate for relief - their products do not help - but by the time you figure it out, they have your money. I'm all for complementary medicine - I don't think the medical profession knows everything, but just because something is natural doesn't mean it's safe. I'm a believer in "don't take anything"!! But, of course, sometimes you have to. Please, HotandHeavy, go back to your doctor. Ask about something called EEMT-HS - it is the estrogen with testosterone that I told you about. I know you don't want to go back on hormones, but maybe you could try it and see if it helps. I am(was) taking 1 pill every other day - so a very very small dose. It is enuf to dramatically minimize the sweats, flashes, dryness, etc. They will probably prescribe a progesterone for you, too - because as I said, if you still have your uterus, estrogen alone can cause the lining to thicken. This is my problem - I can't handle progesterone - pills or compounded creams - it all makes me sick. I have fibroids, too, and they have not gotten any larger since I've been on the HRT. They recommend that if you use hormones, that you stay on them for the shortest time possible, so if you do try them , you may only need them for awhile. Like I said, everyone is different and this may not be the best for you, but please at least ask. I have friends who have been on HRT for longer than I have, and they are fine. You need to make sure you have your mammograms and keep your annual doctor exams and pay attention to your own body, but you may be able to find some relief. I wish you much luck.

PS My sister and I have found ourselves saying "at least" alot - as in "well, at least we can still walk" or "well, at least we can still hear" - kind of funny if it weren't so sad!

by HotandHeavy, Aug 28, 2009 09:57AM
To: To: All
CydRose

I could of written most of what you said.   It is like describing me to the detail.   I wish I could say that it makes me happy that I am not alone but it doesn't.   It makes me twice as miserable because I know you feel the same way.   This is a joke here.   Trying to lighten things up.  It just nice to be able to share.  

It was nice to hear a little about yourself.   The news on TV always makes it seem the Americans and the Canadians don't like each other.   Well I know different by your post and also I go see my brother in Austin and everybody I meet there are really nice.  When they find out I am from Canada they ask me all sorts of interesting questions and treat me great.    And you know what, it just goes to show you that no matter where we live we are all the same.  

I really am scared to go on HRT again.   It was the progesterone that made me gain the weight, my doctor even confirmed it.   My mother had a hysterectomy when she was in her early 40's.   She had been and still is on Premarin.   I truly believe that is why my mother looks and feels so good.   My mother is in her eighty's.   She looks like she could be my sister and that is no word of a lie.   If I knew back then what I know now I would of gotten a hysterectomy right after my last child.   I would of been put on Premarin and not have to go through all this.   My mother never gained 40lbs, never had a single hot flash and she still feels great.    My mom is the sweetest, kindest person you would ever know.   I believe it is because she always felt great and she still feels great.   I also have two girlfriends who had hysterectomy's when they were younger and they too feel like my mother.   Come to think of it, they look great too.  There skin is awesome.  

But I still have my uterus and I have to  learn to live with the symptoms.  

You can buy testosterone cream just over the counter at the health food stores.  But I was wondering if it was safe for me to try.   I am leery as it seems you have to have the right combination for each person.    Do I take this without and Estrogen?   How much do I take.   So that is why I never tried it.   I don't want to take something and later on find out I have cancer or something because I never took it in the right combination.   I was on HRT for two years.    What is a short time anyway.   No, even questioning myself on HRT I am saying no.   I am only five feet and 40lb gain on five feet is alot.   I lost 12 by just going off of it and not doing anything else.  

I can't believe how much we think alike.   I too say to myself many times, at least I can do this and I can do that and I have a  good life and family.  

I am excited today.   My son is coming out and he is bringing my daughters baby out.  This will be a first.   My daughter can't find a sitter for the baby and has an appointment she can't miss.   She said she will come out right after her appointment.   Even my son is excited about bringing him as he will be in his care.  I love my family, they are wonderful.   If I didn't mention it before, this is my first grandchild and I am loving every minute of it.  

So to all, life is still good.   Hope we can find some relief.   If not, I hope that there is relief by the time our daughters have to go through this.  

Hot and Heavy

by kesta, Aug 28, 2009 02:56PM
To: CydRose & HotandHeavy
I LOVE Canada!!  I have traveled from Montreal up, Nova Scotia and to Newfoundland.  I live just outside of Burlington, VT and feel lucky to be able to enjoy the beauty of Canada as well as the US.

I'm 5'1" and I'm gained 40 plus pounds too.  I really think the Menersa helps me - my dr. suggested Estroven, but the Menersa was much the same so I went with it.  I am lucky not to have hot flashes, but my neighbor is not so lucky.  She used Estroven with great results.  My friend who is 59 said that she is using Sam-E for depression - mood swings - and for stiffness in the joints.  She said she has had amazing results with it within days of starting it.  I'm going to look into it.  However, from the little I've read, it can make one anxious if the dose is too high.

I had a hysterectomy when I was 43 (pre-cancer) but my ovaries were left so I am going through the menopause process normally but I'm lucky not to have to deal with the menstrual cycles.

I guess we have to keep on keeping on and be each other's support.  We'll get through this, I know, but when?!  

by HotandHeavy, Aug 29, 2009 09:47AM
To: To: All
kesta

I have tried so many things, I can't remember them all on the of my head, but when someone mentions something I recognize it.  I will try and list what I have taken. Estroven, Menosense, Estrosense, Macafem, Estrothin and HRT.   I have also taken all sorts of other things like Black Cosh, Evening Primrose, Flaxseed oil, Niiacan, Calcium, Soy, Omega oil, Sage and probably a lot more, but can't remember at the moment.   I have also taken meleatonn, sleep ez, another one that I can't remember the name.  I also tried a prescription sleeping pill which never helped but the next day I was a zombie.  I know there is a host more things I have tried but this has been going on for so long I can't remember.   I don't even bother looking anything up any more as they all promise miracles and nothing works a but line the company's pocket books.   I have also eliminated alot of things out of my diet, plus added things.   Nothing I have tried helps.   I even tried eating protein right before bed because I read it puts you to sleep.  ha what I laugh that is, I sweated all night trying to digest it.  You mentioned Mensera.   That is a new one for me.   Never heard of it.   Of course I am willing to try anything.   Has it helped the night sweats.   Does it help with sleep.  Can you buy it in health food stores or do you need prescription.  

At the very beginning of this site there was a lady call Wellness_Seeker.   I was just curious if she was still around and if so how she is doing.   She was going through a terrible time.   Not only menopause but her husband left her, she lost her job and only what I could think of as a nightmare.   Makes our troubles not so bad.   If you are still around, I would love to hear from you.   Hope you are doing fine.   I know you said you may lose your house and have to move.    If really makes my troubles seem so minor.  

I have one thing I tried, that I don't suggest to anyone.  I thought that if I can't sleep anyway, why go to bed.   So I stayed up all night.    I thought I had to so tired I would have to sleep.    Didn't work at all.   I had the worst day ever and the next night I still tossed and turned hot and cold, covers on covers off.     So ladies, don't try that stupid idea.    

I had my five month old grandson out yesterday and had him all to myself.   Enjoyed every minute of it.   He makes life a wonderful place.   My daughter came later on in the day and stayed overnight.   We had great visit.   Times like this makes for a happy life.  

Still
Hot and Heavy  

by sick and tired 47, Aug 30, 2009 09:26AM
Ladies,
As I was laying in bed last night unable to sleep ( insomnia) and my mind wandered...
I remembered how I drink a glass of soy milk every day and it has helped my hot flashes. I told this a friend, and she started it too. She said it has helped her also. I recently went away and did not get my daily soy drink and noticed I was perspiring alot under my arms all day (YUCK) and was waking up at night throwing the sheets off wildly from heat flashes. Started back on my soy milk and feel  better. I will say it takes about a month of daily use to "kick in". It is worth a try ...
  Next roaming thought... my sister uses black cohosh and swears it helps her. She had a hysterectomy ( still has ovaries) and gets bad hot flashes. She hates soy and refuses to rry it.
  I hope this helps someone, cause this is NOT a fun time in our lives. If we all share perhaps we can get thru this a little easier.I don't wish ill health on anyone, but comforting to know I am not alone or crazy.( well maybe alittle of the latter).
  Try the soy for a month or so... let us know if it helps.
Chilling,  sweet dreams to all!!

by HotandHeavy, Aug 30, 2009 09:43AM
To: To: All
Oh wow?   Two new things to try.   I will buy the soy and mensera the next time I get to the city to get some.    That is one thing I don't like about living in the country,  don't get to the stores as often as you like.   If a person doesn't like soy milk is there a soy pill.  I know, here we go again, wanting a pill to cure all, but I quit drinking mild years and years ago and it does not sound appealing.   Especially when you say to try it for a month.  

It got really cold here last night and I had the window open with fan blowing.    I found it wonderful but my poor husband froze.   When he got up this morning I went to give him a hug and morning kiss, he growled at me jokingly.    I am lucky he doesn't tell me to sleep  in another room.   But I guess he still wants to keep me around.  I must save us alot of money in the winter with our heat bill.    ha ha

Happy day to all.

Hot and Heavy

by GotNoSatisfaction, Oct 04, 2009 10:31AM
To: Everyone
Thank you for all of your comments.  It seems that women just don't talk about this.  I had absolutely no idea what I was in for when I first started getting these hot flashes, head aches, general aches and pains, etc..  Thank God for this site!
I've tried homeopathy to no avail.  I am on the way to the store today to purchase some Black Cohosh - has anyone tried this?  Did it help?
What to do about the aches and pains?  I just don't feel like getting up in the mornings.  Maybe it's because I haven't slept well, but the biggest reason is because of muscle pain all over.  
Any insight that anyone has is welcome and appreciated.
Got No Satisfaction

by zutalu, Oct 07, 2009 02:55AM
To: All you ladies:
I know what you are going through with menopause at this time because I have had the same problems myself:  gained weight, feeling tired, sleeplessness, mood changes, very forgetful, etc.

I began the period changes at 38 years old and by 42 they stopped completely.  Then at 43, I began experiencing the annoying hot flashes and even today, at 60 years old, I still get them two or three times a day.  But the worst thing for me is the lack of sleep.  I can go through the night totally awake, and then in the morning it is very difficult to function because I am so tired.  And if do not sleep well, we will age much quicker.

From 45 to 55 years old I was taking the “Wild Yam root” capsules and I did not experience any hot flashes (at all) during that period.  I stopped taking them for a while to see if the flashes would come back and I did well for a year until I had to take a very strong antibiotic treatment to treat an infection.  Then the hot flashes returned while I was still taking that treatment, and I have had them for the last 5 years.  Of course, the hot flashes are quite milder now and I do not perspire as I used to, so I kept putting them off, but this week I decided that I am going to begin taking the Wild Yam capsules again for many years to come.  In the beginning I took these capsules for over a month before I noticed any changes in my body.  I took two capsules in the morning and two in the evening for all those years.  

I love to shop at Amazom.com and I found a good deal there, so I am going to stick to this therapy since I know it works very well for me.  

Perhaps some of you can try these capsules and see if you can get good results too.  

by HotandHeavy, Oct 08, 2009 10:35AM
To: zutalu
I will be 60 next year.   Most of the ladies I have heard from are in their 40 or early 50's.   I thought this was going to be another thing I had to deal with alone.   I started my periods when I was in grade three.   Yes grade three.  At that time you didn't talk about the body or sex at all.   I was scared to death and my mother of course rushed me to the doctor where I had, to me, the most embarrassing examination of my life.    As I grew older I thought oh well, I will be lucky and stop my periods early.   Well no such luck, I stopped over two years ago and experiencing the wonderful time of menopause.    I too can deal with the hot flashes.   Not that they are any better or any lighter, I just learned to deal with it.   What I can't get used to is the lack of sleep.   I am up all night.   I may doze now and then but for the most awake all night.   I thought
eventually I would get so tired and fall asleep but no such luck.   I tried napping in afternoon but that is even a bigger joke.   I have tried tons of sleeping aids but nothing worked.   I will try the wild yam for the hot flashes but would love it if someone came up with something for sleep.  

I would like to no the medical reason why a woman goes through this change.   Yes we are no longer able to have babies.   But is the reason for hot flashes, and especially the lack of sleep.   Why is this happening.    Is it because in nature we are no longer useful and this hurries up the aging process because we need sleep for our bodies to rejuvenate.  

I have tried the exercise and losing weight but I see no change at all, none.   I was told my four doctors that that is the reason I am getting hot flashes and not sleeping.  I knew back then that it wasn't true as I had gained the weight i two months and in places I never had weight before.   I was exercising and dieting like crazy at the time because my daughter was getting married.   So I knew it was not my eating habits or lack of exercise.   But as years went by and the weight kept on creeping up, I decided to exercise and diet again.   This time the weight started coming off.   Slowly mind you, but it is coming off.   I am only five feet tall and I was always thin.   I ballooned up to 170.    My goal is to get back down to 120 or 125.   My plan was to go back to these doctors and tell them it has nothing to do with weight gain, but I have mellowed over the years and now I am doing just because I want to have some sort of life back, hot flashes and lack of sleep and all.   I was getting very bitter and angry because of what was happening and the lack of help you get of the doctors.   Now I have come to realize since there is no help out there I have to make the best of the life I have.   I still
think it a shame that in this day and age there is no help for woman.    I just hope and pray that some day when my daughter comes to this stage in life that they have something for her.    If enough of us woman complain bitterly maybe something will be invented.   My family does not deserve a cranky OLD wife and mother.   This should be the rewarding years.    So I am trying with all I can to be pleasant and nice to be
around.  

I am just glad for sites like this that we can share and vent and not have to burden ourselves to our family.   Try and keep it hidden and quiet.

Thanks zutalu,  I will try the Wild Yam.    And have a happy life as best you can.

Hot and Heavy

by zutalu, Oct 11, 2009 06:34PM
To: Hot and Heavy

After reading your comments I feel a special bond with you because you suffer just about the same way that I do.  Beside the lack of sleep and hot flashes I suffer with a chronic back condition.  I had a fusion done several years ago and I am still in pain, some days worse than others, but always enduring it.

I began to lose sleep at 38 when I was experiencing the beginning of my changes.  Of course I never knew what was going on with me because I was still young.  I always had heard about menopause, but I was totally ignorant about all the symptoms and frustrations that a woman goes through with it.  And the worse thing is that unless we have experienced this, we do not understand what another woman is going through.  The husbands, children and even doctors do not get it.
But everything concerning this critical situation in our old age has to do with the balance, or otherwise, of the estrogen and testosterone levels.  Read about hormones here:   http://women.webmd.com/normal-testosterone-and-estrogen-levels-in-women
I have heard in the past that we are not able to sleep because of the low production of the hormone called “Melatonin”.  This hormone is produced in the pineal gland in the brain.  Melatonin helps to regulate our cycles of sleep.  
I take 3mg. before going to bed and I only sleep about 6 hours.  I also have a prescription sleeping aid to help with this problem, and I sometimes alternate them because, as a general rule, the body gets used to the same medication and after a while it does not help us with the symptoms that we are dealing with.  The one good thing is that I am single and live alone so I can wake up later in the morning.

I mentioned before in my first entry that when I took Wild Yam Root, I took 2 (two capsules) in the morning and two in the even, but I forgot to say that I did this for the first week only and after that, I took just 1 capsule in the morning and 1 in the evening as the directions printed on the label instruct us to do.

by HotandHeavy, Oct 12, 2009 11:31AM
To: zutalu
It does not surprise me that you have back problems as I have it too.    My grandson is six months old and I love to hold him, but he is heavy and very hard on my back.   I hold him anyway but pay for it dearly.   Sometimes I just want to burst out and cry as why this is all happening and that we can't enjoy life without so much pain and suffering.   In the mornings I dread getting out of bed as it takes me a while to get moving.   Every inch of my body aches.    I am guessing it is from the lack of sleep.    

I have tried Melatonin.   I went up to four a night, but nothing happened.   I have tried sleeping pills and nothing happened but make me a zombie the next day.    I have tried eating protein before bedtime, not eating before bedtime, I gave up coffee which I love and miss, I have tried all sorts of vitamins which I read about or was suggested by someone, I have tried dark rooms, no TV before bedtime, you name it I tried it.   I live out in the country so haven't made it to the city yet to buy some Wild Yam for the hot flashes.   I wont' list what I have tried for the hot flashes, but believe me it was a drain on the pocket book.  

I am now at the stage where I know there is no help what so ever so I am learning to live with it.   What else can you do.    

My family all came home for Thanksgiving and we had a good time.   I find I can't go like I used too so I have learned to ask for help which everybody gladly does when asked.   I have a wonderful family and many blessings.   I have a lot to be grateful for.

Zutalu, it is great talking to you.   I need someone that is going through the same thing and understands how hard and painful it is.   Suffering in silence is hard and if you can share with someone it is a great relief.   From what I have read and I have read lots, we will see the end of this.   I think is unfair that after all the years of working and raising a family that now we have to have this.    It does help to know that I'm not alone, not that I wish this on anyone.    

Hot and Heavy

by dreabfly, Oct 13, 2009 05:19PM
To: All
Thanks to everyone for sharing their stories and remedies. I'm 42 this year and tired of hearing my friends tell me I can't possibly be peri-menopausal already. Nobody really seems to understand. Even worse is that I'm a lesbian and my partner is 48. She's in the worst throes of the whole thing: hot flashes, sleepessness, total haze, fatigue, moodiness. If we make it through all this without killing each other, I'll be really surprised. At least most of you only have one person who is going insane. You can pitch that at your husbands and see if it helps any. ;)

I need to go have my levels checked, but I already know what they will say. I lost my libido at 38 and up until this year had never been depressed in my life. Suddenly, I can't remember things, feel anxiety all the time, rarely sleep through the night, cry at the drop of a hat, and can't motivate to work the way I used to (I'm a confirmed workaholic). I have actually lost weight because I spin 3 times a week, so that's even a little more depressing. All that work, and even though my body looks great, emotionally I still feel like ****.

I'd love to try bio-identicals and even get my partner on them, but there's no way we can afford it. We're vegetarians and we eat soy all the time, that is - up until my partner's thyroid stuff went haywire and the doctor told her to quit it, so I'm not so sure about the soy milk remedy. My mom has been trying to get me on this ******* product for menopause for the last year, but the herbal stuff (sorry for the skepticism) just sounds like a total crock to me. I mean, I've been a naturalist for awhile and have tried the herbal stuff for colds and flu and it never worked. I'm not a fan of big pharma, but have found some recent relief in Xanax. At least I'm not anxious after I take it and can focus a little better. Oh yeah. I started having these awful nightmares over the past few months, when I do sleep. Anyone have those? About horrible stuff. Like watching people jump off buildings and being on a train that runs over children. That's great, too. I'm starting to wonder how women have survived as a species when you hit this enormous pot hole in the prime of your life. Up until last year, I was really feeling pretty good about getting older - confident, strong and relaxed. Now I just feel like a mess.

Looks like I will be joining the armies of us trying anything to reduce the symptoms. I'm not so sure about trying to hold it off altogether - that sounds somehow impossible. Gonna try the diet thing and increase my protein and carbs and reduce caffeine and see how that goes.

Is the consensus here that the Macafem doesn't work? And did anyone have a positive experience on regular HRT? My mom was on HRT back in the 70's and it seemed to do her good at the time, but then again, there was so much we didn't know then. I can't believe that the one thing that does seem to work (bioidenticals) will be denied most of us because of cost. Tell me that would be true if we were men.

Thanks to the younger women for sharing their stories. Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about this. Sometimes that's even more maddening than the symptoms!

by zutalu, Oct 14, 2009 04:14PM
To: Hot and Heavy
I have a lovely 16 months grandson whom I babysat for the first year and that made me feel much worse too.  
I know that life is full of trials and tribulations, contrary to what we watch on TV and read on magazines encouraging beauty and sex.  Certainly some women do not experience any of the symptoms that we are having now and that it is such a blessing for them, but I am sure that they will have other problems to contend with that we do not have to.  
I am wondering about the Melatonin that you have taken before, how many milligrams where they.  
I know that Swanson Health Products sells the supplements to help us with the current symptoms and they will mail the package to your home so that you do not have to go to the city:
Triple Strength Melatonin 10 mg.:  http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU305/ItemDetail?n=
Hormone Essentials:   http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWC028/ItemDetail
Menopause Essentials:  http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWC054/ItemDetail
I will try several natural supplements but I refuse to use the conventional medicine stuff given by doctors nowadays.  I do not know if Macafem would work for me or not since I have never used it.  Of course, not all medication and supplements have the same benefits for all of us.  You must try different things and when you find that one that benefits you then stick to it.  
And yes, you must accept that this is a difficult time in our lives which is normal for the majority of women, but it will eventually pass, as everything else in this world is just temporary.  At least we can talk about it now and vent out via this forum.  
In my thoughts I compare a woman’s life to that of a flower:  a plant that succeeds from a seed, grows in time aided by water and sunshine, produces buds which open up to become beautiful flowers for all to behold, but after a while the flowers whiter away and are no more leaving behind many seeds to continue its legacy.  
I frequently think about the poor women in the past (our grands-, great-grandmothers, etc.) that did not have support systems, or stores, such as fancy grocery stores and pharmacies, to go to and purchase the already made stuff for their daily lives.  They had to take care of large families plus hand make everything that they needed in addition of suffering probably severely with their menopause problems.  So regardless of how I feel everyday, I am very thankful that I have one more day to live.
I have found that if I eat certain foods in the evening such as apples and/or avocados, I have less chance to sleep that night.  Perhaps you might need to check out what you eat and drink before bedtime to see if there is anything making the sleeping problem worse.
If you get to try the Wild Yam root, remember that you need to take it for a month or so before you experience relief from the symptoms of menopause. This supplement will help you with the hot flashes in addition to other symptoms.  Read a note about it here: http://www.healthyvillage.com/product_details/1466.html

by Msanxiety1436, Oct 21, 2009 07:25PM
To: Wellness_Seeker
Wondering if Macafam ever did work.  Let me know.  Thinking of ordering.  I amm 44 and think I'm going through peri.  I haven't got any tests done yet but will in the next couple of days.

by peggy64, Oct 22, 2009 10:59AM
I took Maca and it did not seem to work for me. I have tried all kinds of herbals and naturals  and have not found a one that would help me. I realize you have to take it for more than a month, and I did. I took the Maca for 2 months and there was no difference.

by kesta, Oct 22, 2009 03:14PM
To: msanxiety1436
Hi,
I have been on Menersa for nearly 3 months and I have to say that I feel so wonderfully different!  I am 55 - I had a hysterectomy 10 years ago but I still have my ovaries.
It took about 6 weeks before I noticed anything, but I sure do now!  My sex drive is wonderful, I have NO problem with vaginal dryness, my mood is stable and even happy, I have more energy, I sleep better and feel pretty darn good all around - and my breasts have firmed up!  I have never had hot flashes so I can't speak to that.  I haven't had a weight loss but I feel good and that is the number one issue for me.  
I have tried Maca and it didn't help me at all.  It did help a friend's husband with his sex drive, though (he's 60).  
Good luck!!
Kesta

by sick and tired 47, Oct 23, 2009 10:13AM
To: kesta
It is so great to hear some good news!!! How long did it take you to notice a difference?? And did it help with anxiety??
What exactlyl is it?? Herbal, a prescription, bioidentical, birth control or hormone??
Please give us more info.
Thank again and best wishes!!

by kesta, Oct 24, 2009 08:44AM
To: sick and tired 47
Hi,
It has helped me dramatically!  It is herbal and has helped with my anxiety.  However, I usually take something dirt cheap that works great for those extra anxious moments - Relax and Sleep.  It doesn't make me too tired during the daytime if I'm having anxious moments...it just quiets me inside.  I buy 30 for $1.00 at our local supermarket and I have looked it up on line and it is made by a reputable company.  Back to Menersa - they have a website and they are having a sale right now.  You can buy 3 bottles and get one free with free shipping.  They don't always have that deal.  Plus when you buy again you get a 10% coupon off of your next purchase.  It took a good 6 weeks before I woke up one day and said, "Wow!  I'm happy and I'm not achy."  I felt even for the 1st time in a long time.  Maybe it won't work for everyone, but it is the best $110 or so dollars that I've spent in a VERY long time.  If I forget to take my dose in the morning before I leave for work I am really bummed!  It has helped me so much that I rarely forget to take it in the AM and the PM before bed.
I hope this helps you!  www.menersa.com and it will give you the low down.  It is a sell sell sell type of site, but what the heck!  If the stuff works, then I say go for it.  It's better than HRT in my book. :)
Be well and best wishes to everyone.
Kesta

by kesta, Oct 24, 2009 08:52AM
To: sick and tired 47
I wanted to let you know that I ordered my refill of Menersa yesterday morning and as I was composing the above response a truck pulled into my driveway and delivered my Menersa!  Free shipping and it came the next day.  That rocks.

by achyjointgirl, Nov 14, 2009 04:33AM
To: Fellow Estrofriends
I feel blessed to have found you all! I am 43 and have been completely confused by what my body is doing lately. I have been to my OB my GP and a PT yesterday for some back issues I'm having and the PT was the only one to agree with me that my weight gain, achy joints, loss of period, and heart pains might be a "systemic issue." I keep tellling my doctors I feel these symptoms are hormonal and they roll their eyes. After reading all of your posts I am more certain then ever that I am likely in perimenopause or menopause and while I'm not happy about this at my age, it is comforting to have an explanation that makes sense to me. I go back to my OB again next week and am going to run some of the ideas you have posted re: treatment by her and I'll get back to you all with what I find out and hope to have information to share with all of you that might be helpful.

by kesta, Nov 15, 2009 05:50AM
To: achyjointgirl
Please keep us posted!  

I, and I'm sure all of us, are with you in spirit and hope you can find some relief.

Be well,
Kesta

by Amy1966, Nov 17, 2009 07:38PM
To: all
I am 43 and have been having the same symptoms as those of the others on this post.  I had thermal ablation about 4 years ago and that reduced my periods down to next to nothing.  I noticed that during the week or so of my periods I would have the night sweats. The hot/cold/hot/cold.  Just in the last 3 weeks or so I have been having terrible night sweats and hot flashes during the day.  I also take thyroid medicine and thought the problems were being caused by the thyroid.  So I had that checked and the level was in the normal range.  My GP did run hormone tests and says that I am in early menopause/menopause.  When I though about it I don't think that I have had a period for a couple of months.  They were so light that it didn't occur to me then.  Anyway, the first thing that the GP suggested was hormone replacement therapy but I don't like to take medication.   Also, my mother has had breast cancer.  I just don't want to take chances.  My husband has been good about this so far.  I probably don't get more that two hours of sleep at a time at night.  I am a pretty active person and walk/run on a treadmill at least 3 times a week.  This seems to keep my weight in check.  However, I have gained some.  I glad to know that I am not alone in this wonderful change of life.  I am mostly an upbeat person.  I will see how long my positive attitude lasts!!

by sick and tired 47, Nov 17, 2009 09:54PM
To: amy1966
Glad to have you on board... even though I am sure you don't want to be here.( none of us do)... but as they say- Misery loves company. But thank goodness for understanding husbands... I have one too and am so thankful for him.
No really, this a great place to get feedback, advice, and just know you are not alone or crazy.
Sounds like you are doing good, the lack of sleep reduces me to tears after 2-3 days, I can handle the rest of the issues, just really need my good sleep!!!

Check out bioidentical hormones... most studies say they are safer than synthetic hormone replacement.
Also a glass of soy milk daily has really reduced my hot flashes at night.
Good luck to you and welcome!

by goingbald50, Nov 30, 2009 10:46PM
To: hair loss
hi ladies,

i've skimmed through many of your comments and can thoroughly relate. I take Female Support which is made by a company here where I live called Nutri Needs. It contains B-6, Folic Acid, Borage Oil Powder, Wild Yam Root Extract, **** Quai Extract and Vitex Extract. It has helped with my hot flashes and racing heart, but the past few months I've become extremely lethargic, my hair has thinned dramatically and my muscles have become saggy. I am an exerciser; swim in the summer and treadmill/free weights in the winter, but i'm feeling so tired now and don't have the energy. i'm going to my doctor in two days and plan to get my hormone levels checked again. they were very low last february, but i want my human growth hormone checked and my thyroid rechecked. Besides the tiredness, the hair loss is really upsetting me. Have any of you experienced this and has anything you took helped it? What's this Menersa i see mentioned? i'll be 51 in march and have always had bad PMS compliments of my mother.

janet

by sick and tired 47, Dec 01, 2009 08:59PM
To: Amy1966
Hi Amy,
So you had thermal ablation??? How was it ?? Any regrets?? And how does hormone replacement fit it after ablation?? Could you use the menersa or hormones after the procedure??
A wierd question,  but if your cycles are really  light was it hard to know when they started ( so you know when to take HRT)???
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