Continuation of 'Penis hard when flaccid' thread...

[frenchiman]

Hey guys. I've been suffering from a similar problem as most of you. Most days penis is smaller and hard when flaccid, lowered sex drive, can't get full erections in this state like I used to, rarely get morning wood, when erect penis it's so stiff that you cannot bend it left and right slightly, and so on. In my case however all this goes away after I don't masturbate or have sex for about 5 days. Then upon ejaculation the 'hard flaccid penis' comes back to haunt me.

For me this started 6 months ago after one night when I had done ecstacy. I've found at least 3 other people on the internet with the exact same problem that started after a night on ecstasy. I've done countless research online and went through every forum with people who report 'hard flaccid penis'. A lot of us share the same symptoms which leads me to believe that the problem derives from one source, be it poor circulation, nerve damage, or imbalanced hormones, but yet nobody has made the connection.  

I too suffer from a back injury as some others, but I definitely ruled out the theory that this is caused by spine problems. My back pains come and go, but the penis problem is uncorrelated. In my particular case I am convinced that this was brought by ecstacy becasue others have reported the exact same symptoms and timing. This could mean that E either messed up my serotonin levels, or messed up my circulation somehow. Heat does help 'soften' up my flaccid penis somewhat as others have mentioned. Also there is a possbility that I, as well as many of you, have some form of prostatitis. We need to go get that checked out. If that is the case than the good news is that it is treatable.

So I've narrowed it down to three possibilities for my case:
- Prostatitis
- Unbalanced circulation or hormone levels caused by the MDMA
- some weird STD (I've had unprotected sex numerous times, but this option is very unlikely as it started the morning after I have done mdma).

I am going to get checked out next week and I will post my findings.
In the case that this is due to some circulation problems amongst most of us, from my research I recommend you all to start taking Omega-3 fish oils and L'arginine ethyl ester (helps increase and improve blood flow) on a daily basis. Further look into Ginko Biloba, but I'm unsure about the effectiveness of this. Also wrap a hot towel around your penis once a day.
If this is due to hormonal imbalances, such as serotonin levels in my case, then the key is a balanced diet, a multi-vitamin, sunshine, physical exercise and give your penis a lot of rest. Perhaps try to go for weeks without sex if possible.

I have just started applying all of this for myself. I'm going to a doctor next week and will post my results. Whoever has valid imput or knows a thing or two around medicine and neuroscience please share! We are going to get through this with doctors or without!


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[lee27447]

Hello Frenchiman  :)

Firstly i'd just like to thank you for such an informative post, iv'e been studying and researching all the info all day and am finding it very helpful.
I've had my symptoms including firm flaccid for around 11 months now and my life is gone.
I'm basically just existing from day to day like a hermit trying to get better,but anyway i won' t get into that right now lol.
I just have a couple of quick questions for you Frenchiman

1.i've been looking to try tylenol extra strength as you mentioned but the ingredients seem to vary and i can't seem to find one that contains 500 mg acetaminophen and 10 mg dextromethorphan. Tylenol cold multi syptom daytime contains 325mg of acetaminophen and 10 mg dextromethorphan but also 5mg of phenylephrine which is a vasoconstrictor and would'nt have thought that would be to helpful for us.
Alot of the other tylenol formula's which do contain 500mg of acetaminophen dont contain dextromethorphan but diphenhydramine.
So please could you tell me exactly which one you use and what the packaging looks like (colour.text) or even better a link to the right one :)
2.I also have the same problem with Zyflamend so please could you give me a link to the right one please.

Also thanks for the all things male link, I didn't know that site existed and its another great source of info.

I'd already sussed so called Dr Richards site as a scam because i copy and pasted the ingredients of his formula's and creams and found they were products nothing to do with him and were not realy called what he calls them at all.
For instance his sr cream which he sells for $42 is actually quantum scar reducing cream and is for sale on hundreds of different sites usually for around $6-$7.
Same goes for all the others.
So yes frenchiman he's a f****** scam and should be lined up against a wall imo.

I did actually get my hormones tested around 8 months ago but the doctor was so dismissive and arrogant of everything i had to say that i didn't go back for the results.
He even laughed when i told him i had low androgens and said i'm 26 and my hair isn't falling out so i'm fine.
I think after reading your post and stuff from all things male i'm going to get the results and then also have another one so i can compare the difference from 8 months ago because i think i have got a little better since then.
I already take quite a lot of the supps you recommend such as sublingual gaba formula, tryptophan,fish oil,mens multi,vit c, vit e, ginkgo biloba,amino acids formula, zinc picolinate,magnesium oil on penis perineum and forearms twice daily.
I also take epsom salt baths around 3-7 times a week and i soak for around an hour each time, i highly recommend this actually i feel my stress levels are much lower since doing this and am starting to feel like i'm coming back to life again. i think my pelvic floor is not as tight now as well.
I use 2 cups/500g epsom salt and 1 cup/200g bicarbonate of soda.

Also i haven't been tested by a doc but think i have a swollen prostate although i checked myself a couple of weeks ago and its def gone down a little.
because of this i'm gonna concentrate in getting it down completely so i'm about to start taking saw palmetto pumpkin seed stinging nettle and also beta sitosterol as these are said to be very effective when taken together throughout the day so i'll let you know how that goes.dude :)
You speak alot about adrenal fatigue and im wondering if thats what i have as i sometimes take a sudden gasp for air every now and then(about once per day) and also yawn alot and get the feeling like i need to yawn but when i open my mouth to nothing happens.Not sure if there signs of adrenal fatigue though.
Do you know what i need to test for at docs for adrenal fatigue frenchiman?

Do you also know how you get tested for pge2 and do you think i should ask my doc to test me or just take it that i do have high pge2?
I'm also gonna try using curcumin pills aswell so i'll let you know how that goes.

Well iv'e just realised how much i've typed so i'll leave it there and hope you get back to me as its very much appreciated.
You seem to have gathered alot of knowledge about all this and i think your very close to getting sorted out.

Lee

[frenchiman]

My plan for the next 8 weeks:
- start taking supplement called Activate Xtreme. It helps raise free testosterone and lower SHBG - should help with hard flaccid.
- Take a supplement called DIM to lower Estradiol. Only a few brands are legit. Havent found them yet.
- Take herbs and supplements for adrenals like: relora, megadose vit C, magnesium, B5.. and so... hopefully adrenals start to recover.
- once get back urine test... will add vitamins for thyroid function.
- on top of that currently everyday I'm taking: multi-vitamin, vit C, vit D, fish oil sometimes, primrose oil (anti-inflammatory) sometimes, Vit E (sometimes), milk thristle, NAC, SAMe, zinc sometimes, and magnesium before bed. And just added Tyrosine in the mornings. And 750 mg gaba powder under the tounge before bed (inhibitory)... will also add in sublingual 5-htp before bed when I recieve it to boost serotonin once I get back urine test.

In 8 weeks will get retested, if improvement, keep going. If no, cut out the new supps and switch to more powerful hormones for adrenals / thyroid. This I will most likely not do on my own because it gets complicated here... so I'll probably book an appointment with Dr. Crisler. However if you read up on it it can be done on your own. You just need to know what it would mean if the hormone doesnt work.. what to do next.. which hormone to try next.. what dose.... alota reading...
all the info can be found here:
http://www.**************.***/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male
It's Dr. Crisler's forum. The 101 threads explain everything.


So I think that's it for now.

Next: there are two kinds of hard flaccid. One caused by hormone imbalance, the other caused by injury (stretching/jelquing). I DON'T know much about injury one. Hormonal should follow all the steps I listed.
Injury is still similar in some ways... like inflammation (prostaglandin E2) is still there. From some forums on hard flaccid injury, basically I noticed people abstained for weeks, if not months, to help let it recover. Take vitamins and everything. Use vitamin E oil/gel directly on the penis + take vitamin E + other antioxidants. And perhaps applying magnesium oil helps? not sure. There are plenty of forums on injury kind though.. alota people recovered.. i'm sure you can find it. Those with injury should still get hormones tested anyway to see what's up. If anything needs to be supplements, then it needs to be done.



Buddy9, that's really interesting that magnesium helped you that much.

Do you think you got it by injury or just randomly like most people (hormonal imbalance). If injury then perhaps magnesium has a healing effect on the soft tissues and allows for quicker recovery. which is great.
If hormonal imbalance, then I would guess that what is happening is that the magnesium is healing your adrenals. Better adrenal function --> better cortisol rhythm which auto-correct everything else that went downhill from there. Perhaps if your case was not severe and your adrenals were only beginning to burn out, the magnesium helped them combat and recover. If not then, then I don't know what could be responsible. But I will definitely try magnesium power.
You should get tested for hormones to see what's happening. Perhaps you have other underlying issues like high estradiol that need to be addressed.

[frenchiman]

Now that I got my results there are a lot of things I need to fix. Now its up to me to decide whether I wanna work with a doctor or do this on my own. there are only 2 doctors in the world that can help you guys: Dr. Mariano and Dr. Crisler.
They both specialize in hormones and anti-aging and have dealt with a million complicated cases like these and 'sexual exhaustion'. I'm not from the states... so its a whole hassle flying there to see one of them + pay for consultations + tests + I don't know if the prescriptions are valid in Canada. So for now I'm gonna start out on my own with the help of my buddy on the other forum who's telling me what to do step by step.

Basically the general guideline is this:
1. order tests. If you're with a doctor have him order them with insurance. If no, liek me, order them on your own from independant labs in states, I can post links.
2. Assess results and find deficies
3. Start out as natural as possible - with vitamins and powerful supplements for adrenals, thyroid, estradiol and so on.. hopefully things are not too bad, and this is enough to start helping.
4. If things are pretty bad, the vitamins and supps will not be enough and then you need to switch to hormones. So for adrenals, you can start taking transdermal prengenolone.. which raises cortisol levels. Normal cortisol levels should auto-correct thyroid deficincies.. and so on.. will correct testosterone, estradiol...
5. If this one hormones is not enough (pregnenolone was just an example) then add in the next hormone for thyroid function (example is Arrmour grains)..
6. If those two are not enough then add in third to lower estradiol.
- Mind you every 4-8 weeks you (and me) will need to get RETESTED to look for improvement in results. If no improvement then this strategy is not working and move to more powerful one. If working, keep going.
7. If all taht is not enough then you need TRT. Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Means you'll inject testosterone with a needle twice a week. And do other things that go with it. This is the last resort because this is for life. It's not a big deal really... I mean if nothing else works and this does then hell sign me up. The issue is that you'll have to monitor your testosterone and other other hormone levels and readjust doosing every month or so or based on feel.. so the inconvenience is the only issue really. BUT TRT helps in almost every case. As soon as your body has a sufficient amount of testosterone in it, it will dramatically help repair adrenals and thyroid. And then you take w/e is needed to keep Estradiol down and you're good to go.

Based on my results looks like I will NOT need TRT. Because things would be a lot worse. My total testosterone could be lower, and adrenals could be worse. So seems I got a chance at recovery from only vitamins and supplements, if no then I'm hoping hormones will do the job.

You should NOT mess around with hormones unless you know what you're doing. And I don't know everything well enough to be doing that on my own. So if the somewhat natural route doesn't work I will go and see Dr. Crisler after all no matter how much it'll cost. Working with a doctor from the start will ensure you're in good hands and will recover 100% sooner or later. Same path, he'll start you off natural, retest every 2 months, and tweak around and introduct new supplements/hormones until you find what works. May take a year or two but what can you do... at least recovery WILL be 100% for all of us. This is nothing that can't be fixed.

I forgot to mention taht once I get amino acids results back I will see which ones I;m low in. That will tell which neurotrasmitters are low because of low hormones and then I can start supplementing with amino acids for those neurotrasmitters to ensure faster recovery. I'm almost positive we all have low serotonin and gaba (actually all inhibitory neurtrasmitters) which is why we have premature ejaculation. And our dopamine could either be low or high. Will be interesting to see. I'm guessing low. Just last week I started supplementing with l'tyrosine. Which raises dopamine in the body. I've taken 2 grams a day for 3 days... to early to tell yet but I def think it helps... right away more social mood, more energy, balls hang nice and loose..
I'm not saying you guys should start taking it blindly or any other supplement. Follow the process. Get tested first, then you'll know what needs to be supplemented. Each person could have different results.

But generally I would assume all of you here will have VERY SIMILAR results to mine. For sure cortisol pattern will be off, most likely TSH will be high, while T3 low, and most likely estradiol will be elevated and SHBG high.
I've seen results of 2 others with hard flaccid and same symptoms as me, and results are very similar.

[frenchiman]

hey guys

So as you probably know I've been posting at the other forum all these months. At the 'sexual exhaustion' forum. Link is in one of my posts above if you're interested.

I learned a ton about hormones and neurotransmitters over the months. I finally got a blood and saliva test that I needed for hormones and a urine test for all vitamins, minerals and amino acids (neurotransmitters). Got the first test results. Urine is on the way.

Results:

Cortisol Morning: 2.7 range: 3.7-9.5 *
Cortisol Noon: 2.7 range: 1.2-3.0
Cortisol Evening: 4.5 range: 0.6-1.9 *
Cortisol Night: 1.5 range: 0.4-1.0 *

Estradiol: 48 range: 12-56
Testosterone: 721 range: 400-1200 (age dependent)
SHBG: 50 range: 15-50
Ratio: T/SHBG: 0.5 range: 0.7-1.0 *
DHEAS: 231 range: 70-325

PSA: 1.9 range: <0.5-4 (optimal 0.5-2)
Free T4: 1.8 range: 0.7-2.5
Free T3: 3.1 range: 2.5-6.5
TSH: 5.5 range: 0.5-3.0 * <--- think the range was supposed to be 0.5-5
TPO: 16 range: 0-150 (70-150 borderline)

* = out of range
PSA = Prostate Specific Antigen)
TPO = thyroid peroxidase antibodies

I don't expect many of you to be able to interpret the results. So here's what's happening:
Btw my symptoms are still the same they had been since this started: hard flaccid comes and goes, sex drive comes and goes, brain fog morning after ejaculation and so on...

Results - as you can see everything is messed up, as expected.
Cortisol - is a stress hormone that adrenal release. My morning cortisol is below range meaning my adrenals have ran out of their morning cortisol supply (early adrenal fatigue) and then high later at night meaning adrenals and working hard to catch up, and my natural rhythm is off. So my adrenals are in pretty bad shape, but not horrible.
The T3, T4, and TSH is thyroid function. Adrenals, thyroid, sex hormones and neurotransmitters are all connected and work as a system. Since cortisol is low, thyroid function went down over time. Since I left this untreated for a year and a half (had this for year and a half), I am now also pretty much hypothyroid as well. High TSH is bad, and low T3 is bad. Being hypothyroid means body temperature is lower than should be, tireness...

My total testosterone seems OK, could be worse. However free testosterone (which is not on the list) is very low. This is because SHBG is very high. SHBG keeps eating up free testosterone and because of that I also have very high Estradiol. High estradiol in the liver causes liver to under perform and causes inflammation 24/7. Inflammation is in the form of Prostaglandin E2, which causes the hard flaccid. So the hard flaccid is basically caused by a bunch of things mainly being high estradiol, low free testosterone, and high norepinephrine (sympathetic dominance) due to low cortisol (adrenal fatigue).

So things are pretty MESSED UP... but all that is 100% fixable.


Ok before I forget:

First, FORGET DR. RICHARDS. THE GUY IS A QUACK.. HE'S SOME RANDOM DUDE FROM ROMANIA WHO COPY PASTED EVERYTHING FROM DR. LINS WEBSITE. HIS SUPPLEMENTS WILL DO NOTHING FOR YOU AND HE DOESNT KNOW **** IN GENERAL. I'M SORRY I DIDNT POST THIS EARLIER. HOPE NONE OF YOU FELL VICTIM FOR THAT SCAMMER'S PRODUCTS.

Next, since Prostaglandin E2 is the final product of all the imbalances we can mask symptoms by inhibiting prostaglandin E2.
At the other forum we found out that Tylenol extra strength does this very well. The ingredients of tylenol should be: 500 mg acetaminophen and 10 mg dextromethorphan. These goal of these two ingredients is to reduce prostaglandin E2! Together they do it very well.
The first time I took 2 tylenol pills, within 30 mins my hard flaccid completely subsuded! Mood was elevated, and later when I jerked off I noticed that premature ejaculation is GONE. (The guy that originally started taking it, started taking it because it made his PE gone for good).
So I was taking it for a week and then it started loosing its effectiveness. Long story short right now if I take it the effects are very minimal. And considering how bad my hormones are that explains it. I need to fix hormones first (the root) and tylenol will be the last step to combat premature ejaculation.
For anyone willing to experiment, go for it. BUT: tylenol is hard on the liver. If you are gonna be committed to taking it long term (I know I am, probably for life every other day. I know someone doing it already), then you need to take supplements to cleanse the liver and prevent problems.
Those supplements: milk thristle, NAC, and if you can afford SAMe.
Those will ensure that liver methylation pathways stay working properly without buildup/clog. A possible reason why tylenol stopped working for is because liver is not working well. I started taking those 3 products 2 weeks ago, we'll see what happens.

Next, we found a NATURAL product that's powerful enough to inhibit prostaglandin E-2 without the hard of tylenol but its not as effective. It's called Tumeric Curcumin.
http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Super-BIO-Curcumin-400-mg-60-Veggie-Caps/15211?at=0
It alleviates my symptoms by up to 50% an hour after taking. But again this is not a SOLUTION, it just masks the symptoms. But still I keep taking it everyday for now until I can fix the root. it makes flaccid hang better, but I still feel tension in pelvic region. Tylenol gets rid of that pelvic tension right away. (used to). So try this too.

[buddy9]

sorry for the late reply ive been on holiday.
Its hard for me to say how long it will take individual people to see significant results as it depends on how far along the problem is. at least give it 2 months as you will see results at some stage.
my erection quality was only really affected by this in the last year. But my flaccid was definately firm and to put it into perspective I am 1/2 inch thicker and 3/4 inch longer now. I would say it is just genetics as to why it didnt effect my abilty to get an erection as I would of had a firm flaccid for 5-6 years, so if it is effecting your ability then it may take a bit longer.
As I said earlier l-arginine works alot better with magnesium so that will definately help things along if your erection quality is lacking.

I dont know why the powder is so effective? the only thing I can think of is the amino acids that are added to it. I know taurine is a smooth muscle relaxant so it certainly helps.  Initially its good to get as much as you can as long as you are not having side effects.

Your skin might react to the oil at the start but just put some aloe vera or similair on until your skin gets used to it. Foot baths are supposed to be quite good to get your magnesium levels up so you can try putting some oil in a hot foot bath too if you want.

[310moriceo]

My firm flaccids been really good lately.. no firm flaccid at all for weeks.. it only occasionaly re-appers breifly if i have a ton of adrenaline pumping through my body or my pelvic floor is tense..

You guys need to investigate relaxing/massaging the pelvic floor.. and toning down the nervous system.. also I really reccomend trying not to worry about it so much, I know its almost impossible, ive been there, but it WILL help you.. this is not permanent and causes no permanent damage to the penis.. so dont freak out. Stay positive!!