Nutrition Health Chat: Tuesday, Dec. 8th, 5-6 PM Eastern. Learn how vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients affect your health. Free live Q&A. Join us!
Member Comments are provided by individuals and reflect their personal opinions only. Under NO circumstances should you act on any advice or opinion posted in this forum.  ALWAYS check with your personal physician before taking any action regarding your health! MedHelp International and our partners, sponsors and affiliates have no obligation to monitor any comments posted on this site, or the content and/or accuracy of such exchanges. MedHelp International does not endorse the views of any user.
Mental Health  (Expert Forum)
 | 
Is ECT the ONLY Alternative?
Questions posted in the Mental Health forum are being answered by Dr. Roger L. Gould, author of the Mastering Stress and Depression program and affiliated with the UCLA. Department of Psychiatry. Topics covered include anger, attention deficit disorder (ADD) , bipolar disorder , dementia , electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) , learning disabilities, memory, obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) , panic , personality disorders, phobias , post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) , schizophrenia , stress , transitions, and work problems.

Is ECT the ONLY Alternative?

by tracy, Sep 27, 1999 12:00AM
My mother was admitted to the Mental Health Unit of a local hospital two weeks ago.  She suffers from severe depression.  
She was seeing a psychologist for a couple of months and then just became overwhelmed.  She admitted herself to the unit and has gotten progressively worse.  She has lost about 30 pounds in the last three months, she obssess about just about everything, she gets angry and sometimes violent.  My mother is very religious and she says that Satan is taking over her mind and God is punishing her for not being strong enough to rely on him.  She hears voices.

She has harmed herself physically while in the unit and has to wear adult incontinence products now.  She can barely shower or do anything else.  She hasn't slept for more than a couple hours each night for the last month.  

The doctor put her on Serzone and her blood pressure was becoming dangerously low.  He has told my father that other than putting her in a home for the rest of her life, her only option is ECT.

This seems so frightening and some of the stories I have read from patients who have had ECT really contradict the information I find on other medical websites.

Is it too soon to be trying this treatment?  Is there any other alternative?  Is this REALLY a safe procedure?  

Sorry this is so long.

by HFHS MD-JM, Oct 01, 1999 12:00AM
Tracy,

     Your mother has both mood symptoms(depression) and psychotic features(hearing voices) resulting in a dangerous level of incapacitation.  It also appears that she is not responding to serzone and she is experiencing some side effects.
     ECT(electroconvulsive therapy) is not the only option in this case but may be the best.  Its not clear if other medications have been tried or are currently being prescribed.  ECT is a safe and very effective treatment for mood related problems(mania, depression).  It has the potential to work faster than medications and for this reason is often suggested in a case where an immediate response is needed(ie suicide, significantly impaired functioning etc).
     ECT is safe and doesn't have the side effects of many medications.  There is no pain involved with ECT.  Patients are placed under anesthesia(put to sleep) for ECT.  The average number of treatments are 6 to 8.  It would be the treatment of choice for a patient with your mothers symptoms.

     Keep in mind that this information is intended for general educational purposes only.  Please consult your personal phsician for specific health concerns.

Sincerely,

HFHS MD-JM

Keyword: ECT
Member Comments (6)

by Michelle, Sep 28, 1999 12:00AM
I am an R.N. and have seen wonderful results from ECT.  I have actually seen the procedure, and it  is nothing like the "scarey" shock treatments we used to see on t.v.  It actually is very mild, and the person has VERY small tremors during the actual shock.  I have noticed, that people that have a lot of ECT do tend to have problems with short term memory.

by tracy, Sep 28, 1999 12:00AM
Is it too soon to be trying this treatment though?  Don't they usually try this after several medications have failed and other medical tests rule out any physical problem?

It just seems like such a drastic jump to make.  I have received email messages from patients who have received ECT treatments and they are very much AGAINST this process.  

Is this something she would have to have the rest of her life?

Thanks for your response.  This is very difficult and I appreciate any information and suggestions.

by Tim, Oct 14, 1999 12:00AM
Is ECT a reasonable alternative? You should ask yourself if the high risk (one-HALF of ECT patients report memory problems 3 YEARS after the shock) of permanent memory loss and brain damage is worth a TEMPORARY reprieve from depression. Nearly all who receive ECT relapse within a few months.

Most doctors are as ignorant as the rest of you about shock treatment. The standard 'medical' textbook on shock is written by a shock proponent who is CEO of an electroshock device manufacturing company! Hardly a source of unbiased information. This is where most of the 'experts' answering questions here have gotten their 'information.'

I suggest you find out all you can from a variety of sources, and pay better attention to the accounts of electroshock survivors than the medical establishment does. A good place to start would be www.ect.org. Make up your own mind!

Tim

by Tim, Oct 14, 1999 12:00AM
In response to the nurse who noticed that shock 'patients' frequently have impaired short-term memory I will post this quote from a neurologist (a specialist of the brain, which shock doctors are NOT).

"Memory Loss Is A Symptom of Brain Damage. What else could it be?"

John Friedberg M.D., author of Shock Treatment Is Not Good For Your Brain, San Francisco Bay Guardian, April 18, 1990.

by Shannon Harkleroad, Oct 24, 1999 12:00AM
This seems to be a very positive treatment, but read on the research!!
Related discussions
RSS Expert Activity
7 Ways to Reduce Stress During the ...
12 hrs ago by Steven Y Park, MD
What You Can Learn From Tiger Woods...
Dec 04 by Steven Y Park, MD
When the Mexican Drug Trade Hits th...
Dec 03 by Arnold L Goldman, D.V.M.